What is Hell?
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This teaching is absolutely mind blowing. Never heard this before. Thank you Fr. Heers.
And yet that's the teaching of the Christ, that's the Gospel
After years of being a Protestant I never got a good answer to this question. Within less than a year in the or the Orthodox Church you’ve provided me with a great answer.
I pray that all my friends who are not reconciled to God through Christ and who do not even realise that much of what they see as loving or truthful is worldy delusion will nonetheless be judged mercifully for seeking truth and love by God, who is truth and love. I pray that even those who pass without professing Christ are somehow given the opportunity to put their faith in Him and not lean on their own understanding. The fear over the fate of others who think as I once thought is my only cause for sorrow since becoming an Orthodox Christian. If I can be saved, they can. I am learning to leave it in God's hands and have faith not fear.
That is the very heart of God Himself for all humanity! And those of us who have been blessed with this glorious gift of return to Him, now share in that pain. I pray for them, and I too want to learn to trust God's immeasurable loving kindness and mercy! 💔
@@aarontmbauer I know what you mean, yeah.
I feel as if you could do a whole video on this topic. The western “confutatis maledictis flammis acribus addictis” conception of hell differs very much from orthodox understanding of hell as a prison for the nous made by the devil out of sin, as I understand it.
Lord have mercy.
A much better understanding of hell than what we are given in protestant and Catholic nations. It's so crazy to me that most people assume that to be a Christian is to believe that all non believers will suffer eternity in a place of torture after death. When true Christians of the one holy apostolic church don't believe in such nonsense. If only non believers new the truth.
A calvinist bug, people catch, is really a problem...This murderous arbitrary god who puts his wrath onto his son to be satisfied...
But they will suffer for eternity without God, or truth or love, as consequence of their decision, no? Orthodoxy does not teach annihalationism as far as I know.
Please explain @jamiemcgarry, I grew up protestant and that's what I understand about hell although it always rubbed me the wrong way and makes me terrified of God. I am reading on Orthodoxy and enquired at my local Orthodox church in Japan.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 You are right, brother. Orthodoxy does not teach annihilationism; however, Orthodoxy, unlike Catholicism and Islam, does not teach that hell is nothing but a place of physical torture. Here's a good explanation about hell from a Coptic Orthodox Priest: ruclips.net/video/xow9tcKZzFE/видео.html
There was a period of my life where I was very prayful and dedicated in my love for God to the point where I begged him to not make me live without his love. It happened that as I was falling asleep one day during that period, I saw myself in a place that was grey everywhere, I then felt an emptiness so deep in my chest that it caused intense pain. Upon waking up, something told me this is what hell feels like, there's a complete absence of God's love in our soul not because he hasn't given it but because we've rejected it.
Great explanation. I never saw it from that perspective. This was helpful.
Thank you for saying this fact Father …
Lord Jesus Christ Have mercy on us all.
This makes so much sense.
The right patristic teaching! The river of fire in the apocalypse is Gods Grace that for some will be felt as burning and for those that prepared - joy
I have pondered that for years Thank you for explaining it.
The waiting room of hell might be here. There's always a line for everything.
I love the way you explained this. Saying,”If you’re in mortal sin, you’re going to hell.” Is harsh but it’s like you can’t be forgiven. Thank you and may God bless you.
I am, obviously, not a Christian but I find some of your ideas and perspectives very thought provoking .
God bless you all Amen 🙏⛪🕯️
I have never heard the explanation of hell as you have done here Fr Heers, that is horrific to me, to be in the presence of God but not want Him, that is hell indeed, terrifying
Matthew 25:41 (KJV) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Meaning they aren’t with him. I really wanted to believe this guy would be against the modernist view of hell but nope he’s in the love is hell camp. Read Vladimir Moss’s article called the river of fire revisited. This modernist view of hell is a spin of St. Issac the Syrian and discounts YEARS of teaching of the church fathers who concur it is in fact a place, you burn there in fire, it is dark because God who is light and love is not present it is the one place he is not. The love teaching dismisses all scripture and early father’s teachings.
This was the doctrine that kept me believing in a loving God.This I hope the protestants come to understand this by reason. I am on my journey to God and for me it points to the orthodox and catholic church
…the Orthodox which is the Catholic Church. What is called Catholic today by most is in reality papal Protestantism.
Blessed he who comes in the name of the Lord ☦️
One day I had a dream and this is the conclusion I came to. About a week or two later, I found out that this is the orthodox position. I believe it!
Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. Matthew 16:17
I'm glad I saw this knowledge.
Hallelujah. I know this.. I learned it through my spiritual path to Christ. Turn to Christ and be saved. Have faith in God in his presence and you shall he saved you will not perish.
Thank you for sharing your impressive thoughts, God bless you, greetings from Berlin, Germany
Our Creator gave us free will. God will not force Himself upon anyone. We made the choice... FREELY!
Absolutely..This rings true
Mark 9:43 (KJV) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Luke 16:23 (KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
I had a vision of Satan or the Devil once, having big horns, muscles so strapped you couldn’t cut them with diamonds, teeth so sharp it could pierce anything, but he was curled up shivering in the cold cursing God. I have never again felt fear for Satan, only sadness because I knew that he was like that out of fear for constant attack, as he lives cursing God, and thus himself as well. The act of being this is torment, yet he chooses this. Then I realized God is in all things, even there with Satan, hoping he repents. God did not cast Satan, or anybody, out of his kingdom. Anyone that is away from the Lord has turned from him. Praise be to God.
oh yes you are so very right.every minute of our life we are makingchoices. we are deciding whom we love OUR LORD or satan that we love to whom we obey listen to what HE pleases. i think hell is our choice.deeply appreciate your homilies
Im terrified of hell.
I just wonder if someone who dies not wanting God (and hence being in a state of hell) can realize that the passions bring them ruin and they do want God after death. I certainly hope so!
We are locked into the state we were in life in the hereafter. There is no repentance after death.
@@LadyMaria But since God is infinitely merciful, you'd think He would be open to our repentance, so the locking would be done on our end. I've never understood how we all lock ourselves in such a way.
@@LadyMaria , unless you have some living saints on earth praying for your soul...
@@butuc8763 (I wouldn't say Saints on earth, as in in this life.) However, we don't know how those things work, but we pray for the reposed beseeching God's mercy. We are, however, ourselves stuck in the state in which we reposed.
@LadyMaria How do you know that this is true? What proof do you have that there is no repentance after death? From where does this proof come?
Do the words 'cast into the lake of fire' mean anything to you? Or maybe 'those whose names were not found written in the book of life'?
You are correct Fr. Peter, going to hell is a conscious choice to reject God's love despite God's attempts to give his live freely. As C.S. Lewis said the doors to gates of Hell are locked from the inside
This is exactly right. And that rejection, or the realization of the meaning of that rejection in light of forever being separated from God's love and never being able to obtain it is torment ... eternal despair. It's realizing you made the biggest mistake in your life, and not being able to do anything about it. Forever.
If we choose to live a life separate from God, He won't force us to spend eternity with Him! That is what hell is, the chosen separation from Him.
Please pray for me I have intrusive thoughts that keep rejecting that fact that i need to repent and it drove me insane one time i kinda hurt myself and im afraid that i have blasphemy the holy Spirit
@@Gigi-ho2qk was in the Catholic Church
Amen
My answer to what is Hell remains the same. My intention is to never to find out by personal experience. I only want to find out what the Kingdom of Heaven is by personal experience.
Hamartia, Hades.
Hades= A-ee-this= unseen/invisible
The kingdom that you cannot see it while you are out of it and the one that you cannot see yourself when you are in it.
True
This sounds like the River of Fire book. But shouldn’t we also pay attention to the fact the the Lord discusses hell as place of torment, weeping and gnashing of teeth- shouldn’t we appreciate the mystery of this as well as emphasizing the very words of Christ who spoke of hell more than any other subject?
Is there going to be another class soon or did I miss it on another platform?
Fr. Peter is traveling in Cyprus and Greece and he will be back after 12 August.
There are actually some people who say they rather go to hell then heaven
They don’t know what they’re saying…
I would like to believe this. However, there are many patristic writings that claim that the sufferings experienced by the damned are greatly magnified compared to the sufferings they experience in this world. Some patristic writings even claim that wicked deceased men will be left at the mercy of the demons, which to me seems particularly cruel and matches up with some NDE visions heard from in protestant circles. I want to embrace Christ, but the teaching of hell makes it very difficult for me to. I'd appreciate if you could assist me with this. Thank you very much.
Everything is magnified in eternity. We will go from Glory to Glory and the increase will be Infinite as God is infinite. But the same is true with those who turn away from the Light and embrace the darkness. Hell, sin, - these are not created by God but by creatures. This is the result of the use of our freedom. No one is in hell who did not choose to be there, either actively or passively, either by neglect or by rejection. I do not see how the acceptance of Christ and His Gospel will hinge on the points you attempt to make, on whether or not pain here and there is the same or one is greater. If there were no hell, there could not be any love. Why? Because then everyone will be forced to love God. They would have no option to turn away. But love cannot not be forced. Love presupposes the free desire to embrace the other and have communion with him.
@@OrthodoxEthos Has Fr Peter Heers done an in-depth explanation on hell? I can't seem to find one.
Does God find out that someone did not choose Him when they die?
Does salvation begin after death?
Does eternal life exist only after this life?
If these were true, what’s the incarnation? What’s the point of the entire economy of salvation?
@@OrthodoxEthos Does God find out that you chose Him when you first come to faith?
@@OrthodoxEthos My point is that your doctrine has God learning that people don't choose Him. God cannot learn. He is omniscient.
"Hell is to be in the presence of God, and to NOT WANT God"...But how sad to think that our lifestyle devoid of God, and ALL that is truly good, could possibly be something to be desired for an ETERNITY! And to not even have an opportunity to turn our lives around anymore! DREADFUL! God forbid!..
How do we feel when someone rejects our love?.. That's how God feels.
We have this life.
So in other words, death wins. Christ is weak and helpless to change people, to bring them to repentance, either now or after death, and their will is greater than the will of God keeping him from bringing all of his will to pass.
In Hades the dead know nothing.
Hell is the wrath or justice of God poured on sinners in response to Him being good and Holy and those who are outside of Christ are not.
Good? Your fake god talks about nothing but rob, rape, slavery, slaughter and murder against all people even innocent ones you people don’t even read the damn book.
My fiance became an Orthodox Christian and now my life is now a living hell.. Sorry that's the truth.
Perhaps it's not because of him. Have you looked into the Holy Orthodox Faith?
In what sense?
@@butuc8763 He's obsessed with following the rules and wants to spend every moment he can in church or immersed in religious books, podcasts, music ect.
Does not want to do anything together unless it involves church. He's become more controlling, angry, inconsiderate and more inflexible. It's literally strangled the joy out of our life. I have now after 4 years left the relationship
I'm not saying OC s the problem but in some it can trigger an OCD response in certain people who take it all literally.
@@LadyMaria Yes it's not for me. non of the man made denominational religions are.
@@claireclaire238 , there s nothing wrong with wanting to Be in the church more, to want to get closer to the church spirit, to Be more informed about the times we're living in. We actually need to turn to Christ and pray more , because hard times lie ahead.
Hell is real many are there those that went and jesus brought back were a warning to us ❤
Read the word jesus warned us❤ and sent many to warn us its real❤
Your a bit unclear . Yes everyone will agree they deserve Hell or absence of God at Judgement and probably live there life like they are choosing hell . Believer will do the opposite they will move towards holiness living
I don't agree with that, God does send the unrepentant sinner to hell as his divine judgement upon them. Does he want them to go there? No, but they are sent there because of their sin.
Did he create hell?
@@OrthodoxEthos Yes. Matthew 25:41
He literally says "Depart from me, you who work iniquity" he's rendering judgement, final judgement, and sending them to second death. This is a result of their life without Christ our redemption.
None of this Biblical. It is a religious tradition.
When a person dies they return to the dust, the spirit returns to God! Ecclesiastes 12:7! Ezekiel 18:4,20 says that the soul dies! Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 tells us that the dead are conscious of NOTHING at all! So what would be the purpose of torturing someone eternally if they are not conscious of anything! Satan is misleading the entire inhabited earth, Revelation 12:9! Soon at Armageddon, God will destroy all those who are teaching lies about God and His Word, Psalms 92:7; Psalms 37:9-11! In order to receive everlasting life and the blessings that God has promised, we must worship the Father with spirit and truth, John 4:22-24; Isaiah 42:8; Psalms 83:18!
Ah, but Christ is Risen!
Hell isn't Dante's Inferno.
@@LadyMaria Judged on what is in your heart and how you treat others . So you don't need to do all the other self serving nonsensical stuff.
@@OrthodoxEthos He died for our sins but it's just words , doesn't mean anything. What matters is what's in your heart and how you treat others.
That is wrong father
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Sorry to inform you sir, but we are already in Hell. Once cast from Paradise, where do you think we ended up? HELL! We are all quite literally living in Hell. What I don't understand is what happens when we die, do we get to go back to a paradise or do we linger in hell, forever being reborn as anything living here from a flower, bacterium, virus, animal, plant etc. ad nauseum. My fear is that it is the latter and not the former.
It depends on you…. what your doing this life, that determines where you go, if the demons drag you to hell or if angels take you to Heaven.
@@staytriggeredsnowflake I think you misunderstood what I was saying. We are all already in Hell(earth). So the only options I can think of are either we reincarnate ad nauseum for eternity in hell or we somehow enter Eden again(which is heaven) and become immortal. The ruler of Hell is Lucifer, so the ruler of earth is Lucifer. It is not god. God cast Lucifer to hell along with Adam and eve. And afaik Jesus, Mohamad, Buddha etc. are just here to help some of us escape hell. The saviors left some pretty stupid instructions tbh. None of it doable, none of it makes any sense. Absolute rubbish tbh. Remember that adage, Ask and you shall receive in the kingdom of god. Well if this was his kingdom we would only have to ask. Proof it does not belong to him. I could go on and on but wall of text and you probably wont read any of it and that is perfectly fine.
@@mr.serious707 I have taken quite a bit of religious studies courses in university. As well as attend mass frequently(but not anymore) I understand the gospel. I disagree with your interpretation. I do believe this is hell. What you are describing is purgatory. We are all suffering. We repeat the same day over and over, then the same month, then the same year. As we age we peak early then start to lose our physical and mental abilities as we age. We make decisions the best we can, and even then have to suffer the constant and bitter taste of regret. Choices are not so clear as night and day. They are shades of gray only leading to more gray. Its not bad enough that we must face our own fate, frailty, entropy but we are forced to see the ones we love, the ones we share memories with die before us. Helpless, unable to help them, unable to help ourselves. Crying, begging for Jesus or whomever for mercy. Mercy that never comes for most. Then we must live in man made(not god made) economic, social, environmental systems that do nothing but exploit the vast majority of people. Forcing them to bend the knee, and willingly we do so, as long as they do not lash us. The little joy there is in life is so precious, it is like magic. Fleeting and yet that little bit of joy is what keeps many of us going. Joy that is in most if not all cases a mental construct of bits and pieces of our lives when the light was strong and we could see for a time. Trust me there is no aspect of this life on this planet that does not SCREAM hell. Not only for us but for the countless creatures god has cast down to hell with us. Undeserved in my opinion. To put it in a way that may be more salient to you, do you think that if you were in hell you would realize it? No, Lucifer and the legions of demons etc. are quite clever, always hiding the obvious right in front of your face. Like waiting in line to talk to someone but when you get to the front of the line(hope, relief) you instantly and without knowing get cast to the back of the line again and again. My friend you are free to believe whatever you want. But imho if you read the gospel and study it, you will realize that this is hell, and that the bread crumbs that Jesus and other prophets left for us to get out of hell have long been eaten up. Its been over 2k years. Where is the 2nd coming of Christ, where is judgment day. Those that will remain in hell(earth) and those that will be saved and brought back to heaven. Not a good time to be casually late. Like taking your time to save your friend from being tortured to death. As for me, I have a scientific, rational, logical mind and yet like Einstein(he prayed to god not Christ) I pray daily to Christ. I have found prayer to be incredibly powerful but it only works when you pray for others, in an honest way, for any kind of deceit is quickly noticed. With that I will leave you.
Well whatever view that is that you mentioned there, a type of Gnosticism it seems, it is not Christian. In 2000 years of Church understanding and Tradition the position has always been that Hell is not something God created, because quite simply Evil is not a created "thing". Hell is a lack of something, a disconnection, not A something in itself , the same as is Sin, sin is not a created thing, it is an absence of something. If you imagine God's creation as a tapestry, sin is a hole in that tapestry, it only exists because there is a tapestry to reference to, it exists as a mercy. At the Resurrection the tapestry will once again be made whole, but those whose soul and desires have taken the shape and characteristics of a hole or tear in the tapestry of being, sin, they will experience this renewing as Hell. They are by nature now a tear or a hole, but there is nothing to be a tear in or a hole in anymore, that is Hell.
You say you do not know yet you seem to insist you are certain. Why claim this is hell just because of incomplete overlap? Why have you restricted the future possibilies to these two? Is God not beyond your imagination?
Okay…….. this was dumb
Why?