Audi owner: I have a Lamborghini v10! It's just got a different crankshaft, con rods, pistons, cams, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, and tuning. "Same engine"
A car that no one knows? Renault Vel Satis ! It share the same engine of the Nissan 350Z and the Skyline V35. In France this Renault sells around 2k euros so ppl use it to make cheap swaps.
I’m almost certain that the v6 used for the Jeep Grand Cherokee was the diesel because the diesel was the 3.0 liter. The gas variant came with the Chrysler pentastar v6 which is the 3.6 liter
The Lamborghini Urus is the first Lambo to ever have Audi's Quattro system. Knowing his fact alone makes me rethink the Urus's market value... It's a great system, but it's just a reskinned Q8
I had a 90 or 91 Hyundai Excell which had a Mitsubishi engine in it. The transmission was bad and I bought it from a coworker for $1, replaced the transmission and lower ball joints and sold it for $950.
Started badly with VW group by missing 2 brands from the list. Kept referring to the more expensive cars. Lots of less costly cars share engines and gearboxes. One model of Alfa used a Holden made V6 (2.8L) which Holden never used. Nowadays Nissan and Reault are using Mercedes motors. It goes on and on.
Didn't know mini cooper made their own inline 3 engine for their cars as they have inline 4 engines under the hood. About the maserati v6, I was waiting for you to say that it's a Ferrari v8 engine with two less pistons making it shorter.
Cylinder heads by Ferrari, pistons by Ferrari, swap out with MoPar heads and pistons and you now pretty much have the 3.6L Pentastar for the most part. So yes, the Ghibli uses a V6 that is the product of a collaboration between Chrysler and Ferrari. In fact, you can directly swap out the cam followers and rockers between the two, even though the camshafts themselves are different.
I believe one of the main factors is that companies have started emphasizing profit margins over quality/reputation/longevity. They understand that the benefit of selling more vehicles at a higher price point and having them wear out sooner (prompting buyers to buy new ones) outweighs the blow of a fraction of owners having more problems. Especially when they are spending less to build the vehicles to begin with. And you know what the saddest part about it is, suckers still fall for it.
Rolls Royce (all of them except the Phantom) are just a re-shelled BMW 760’s!!! Chassis, engine, much of the wiring harnesses, 95% of the electronic modules, all BMW 760! . They literally drop a different body shell on a 760 chassis and triple the price!
The F136 on Maserati has cross-plane crankshaft, whereas it has flat-plane crankshaft on Ferrari. I would argue that makes them a lot different from each other.
Ian Tang you are correct the crankshaft is different, flat-plane is slightly more expensive to produce because it’s harder to balance, and produces a more aggressive exhaust sound... but the main reason Maserati has Ferrari build the F136 engine with a cross-plane is it creates a lot less vibrations. If you hear a F430 idle you notice it has a much higher idle than a Maserati... this is to reduce vibrations at idle.... as the Maserati is a Grand Touring car a high revving flat-plane F136 set-up doesn’t match its personality.... hence the design change. Other main difference is the Ferrari has a dry sump.
@@d2mcgill The cross plane crank is smoother .. but the Maserati version also has different cams which along with the crank allow a bit more bottom end torque.
@@marcinorlewski3253 No, I think it's just a matter of raising the frequency of vibration to above a level where they are not so annoying to car occupants. It's more of a seismic/acoustic thing
@@AFITgrad86 Which makes me wonder: Can we just drop in a Ferrari crank and re-order the firing of plugs and injectors to get that Ferrari sound for cheap?
I realize this is 5 yrs old but the Maserati - Ferarri 4.2 comparision has so many errors I had to comment I won't list them. ie Maserati Coupe is a duel plane crank and the Ferarri has a single plane crank which is the largest error.
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. :-((///
+Bob Sleeman Yes, so there is a 3 cylinder option (Cooper One) as well as a 4. Photo was showing an example of the 4. The one in the i8 is the 3 cylinder variant. Thanks so much for watching!
Not sure if you would know this or not, but if the gran turismo has the same engine as the f430 and 458, then why is the gran turismo a very deep raspy v8 sound like most v8s, whereas the ferraris are fairly high pitched?
I like higher end cars that share motors, drivetrains, and other parts with completely different, cheaper cars. When you go to the auto parts store, would you tell them you need engine parts for a Maserati Ghibli or a Jeep Grand Cherokee? It's not always that easy and simple, but with a little digging, you'd be amazed at all the common pieces automakers share.
Of course one MUST know where the engine's from. I don't care if a "cheaper" block finds itself in an "Exotic" car, because what makes the Exotic, an Exotic, is the Entire package. There may be intake/exhaust differences, also, for we know NO WAY does a Maserati SOUND/FEEL... like a jeep cherokee, even if they share an engine block. I heard GM used to have a European engine foundry that cast alloy blocks for lots of cars, but those who used them didn't sound/feel like a stateside GM Malibu. And for years, Rolls-Royce used GM turbo-hydramatics, probably because at the time there WAS NO BETTER automatic.
Hey! Thanks for putting this together. The Ferrari F136 is the V8 petrol version, found in other Maserati models (but not the Ghibli, much less the Jeep). I know the Ferrari F160 petrol engine found at the Ghibli is definitely not the same as the Jeep. At the 3.0L configuration (Ghibli's configuration), Jeep only sells diesel, and that is an engine made by VM Motori (FIAT), the M157 (which indeed is the same as the Diesel Ghibli). For the petrol Ghibli (base, S and SQ4 models) the Ferrai/Maserati F160 is a petrol (gasoline) developed by Paolo Martinelli, Ferrari's F1 head of engineering during their 6 Championship titles of Constructors in the early 2000's. He was hired by Maserati for the Ghibli project (started in 2009) and thus the F160 engine is designed by Maserati (Ferrari basically), manufactured in Detroit under Ferrari specifications and shipped to Italy for assembly of parts at Ferrari and test before delivery to Maserati. The F160 shares multiple parts with the F154 (the next-generation F136) but with a different manufacturing strategy for the engine block allowing for mass production (and thus cheaper but not suitable for high end 600ish HP - so Ferrari doesn't use it on its cars). I'm a Ghibli owner for several months now and have put hours and hours worth of research and studies before buying the car during my comparisons with AMGs, XE-S and ATS-V, so this section of your video got my attention and I reviewed some of my previous reading here. I do fit on category #2 of people though since didn't know Lamborghini was under Volkswagen group nor mini was BMW branch. Cool!
The Facts about Audi and Lamborghini Engine are NOT correctly! A few parts are the same, but the most different. For example the older Audi s6/s8 have a 5.2 v10, the Gallardo have a 5.0 v10! How can that be the same? Ferrari f430 and Maserati 4300 Gt . There is 100hp different! The same? Because 4.3 V8? The Ferrari 4.3 ist exactly 4308 ccm, The Maserati 4244ccm. The same? I think you have no idea
umm, the V6 turbo from the ghibli, I could've sworn was same engine block as the Ferrari California, just with 2 less cylinders,, and i couldve sworn the Land Tover evoque had ford 2.0 ecoboost 4cyl, not a 1.5
Ferrari left Fiat. Yah, Ferrari will live. The Maserati motor is derived from the Ferrari motor. The cranks are different for one thing. A lot of major parts are not the same. Ferrari does however manufacture them under contract.
The only thing that's the same on the Maserati F136 is the bare engine block. Completely different crankshaft design (cross plane crank). They're so far apart that's not even worth trying to convert the Maserati variant into the Ferrari one. Oh yeah , your picture of a "3-cyl" i8 engine is a 4-cyl from the 1960's.
Yes the BMW i8 is very popular, so popular that BMW STOPS i8 production in april 2020 because a total of a dozen sales per month only is not viable. Error no1, a big one since you could have really devaluate the product further with two small electric motors stolen on the tiny i3, not a success either... The Ghibli V6 3 liter only engine uses the US FCA Penstar 3.6 liter aluminium block casting and transfert machining block production line because no V6 were cast in Italy at the time, but beside a similar cylinder spacing only, crank, rods, pistons, liners, heads, Marell- Ferrari fuel injection and turbos are all different. In fact the Ghibli's turbos integrated and supported by exhaust manifolds is a quite unique, exclusive and compact design not found elsewhere. You really have a weard definintion of the "same " engine for two techologically different product using only a common engine block transfer line, specially for one of Martinelli's designs collecting regular "engine of the year" WW awards with V6's engines bringing 6 time the Formula 1 world championship title to M.Schumi. Error no 2. Note you almost could have made a correct statement on diesel sledghammers where 4x4 Levante and Grand Cherokee share the same robust four valves VM V6 found on Ghibli's diesel companies cars, but you excluded diesel from your wrong comparaison. Note proprelly upgraded, and maintained, my 410 HP Ghibli S has been totally troublefree for over 5 years now and just passed the technical inspection with as new emissions and performances but i guess many tyre and oil change shops can ruin such demanding and unknown product with a bad oil change, like on a 911 poorly lifted. But with this kind of wrong info that engine is a plain Dodge van Penstar V6 product, those cheap mistake can be common in the USA and product overall reputation depends on product support more than anything else and suffers from poor handling. Here near Italy, our Ferrari-Maserati dealers are really good with factory trained workshop managers and mechanics, not so cheap but competitive and qualified. If Maserati and Ferrari share the same basic V8 thermal design of V8 's (block and head casting) and same generation ref. number, the similarity end's there, one is flat crank and the other has a conventionnal angled crank. Again not identical and not even similar...For instance Ferrari has one cartography for each gear ratio and a larger corresponding ECM/CPU. Both engine then sound totally different. Note a similar firing sequence battle with similar differences exists on four cylinders racing bikes between scramblers and big bang design, no comparaison possible on performance, vibration, breathing. Error no 3. Note Fiat does not own Ferrari at all any longer. All Ferrari shares trade independantly on the stock market, although strong technical ties still exists with joint chassis design and engine engineering teams but costs are on totally separate accounting and now, engine assembly is getting more and more splitted FCA with PSA having bigger volume in futur. Error no 4. Etc. Note that with your great uniform leveling logic, a Koenissegg 1600hp engine would be the same as a 350 HP Mustang Coyotte V8 or the Bugatti Sharon WR16 just an old Golf R32 VR6 cyl.multiplier... So what about common chassis plateforms where Urus Cayenne, Touareg, Bentayla and now Q8 all share the same baseframe and are all in the same upper SUV market. The world market is about 70 Mio cars per year and a mass produced plateform need 6 to 10 millions units to be highly profitable, and that is the same for engines.... No surprise costly developpements are shared and PSA with FCA are mearging...etc. but today, two identical engines with different cartography downloaded can be very different and totally different with minor hardware changes, cams sensors, compressor wheel, etc. the rest, having the same basic function can be shared and identical on sport cars, GT's, limo, SUV pickups and vans for the cost saving of a larger volume, with long transfer lines from casting to finished, clean and ready for assembly... the rest a Ferrari engine in an alfa GTO or a Vette's LS V8 in a Camaro is just marketing gimicks for geeks. Finally, you could have used some really meaningfull european exemples, knowing that the Duster and Class A can have the same Renault engine and there, for more than double the price you don't even get same value! But who knows the Duster in North America?
@@sjb3460you are correct, Maserati was six time F1 world champion with Manual Fangio and some outstanding chassis and Ferrari with a best engine designer Martinelli six time F1 world champion with Michael Schumacher…So, also rivals, glory was on different time, different key component and later on slightly different market, Ferrari with sport cars and track record products and Maserati with heavy steel grand Tourismo comfortable coupés and limos..The fact this engineering was combined for them and Alfa top range, ended up with regular engines of the year winners and a far superior Giorgio Alfa chassis…almost as fast as AMG low SUV on the Northschleife but while dragging a two inches taller body, height being a real high speed killer seeing Giulia and Stelvio time difference, but with the same engine and same chassis… The sad current side is the consolidation of dealership with an BEV Ponzi scheme occurring…some dealers here stop representing Alfa or Maserati forced by Stellantis to take electrified stock and forced to borrow money for it , but those heavy anvils loose value quickly while in stock and remain dead stock with the possible margin eaten by Ev market price dropping saturation and devaluation…the same week with no replacement announced, MB stopped EQC, Honda the Honda e and Mazda the CX-30, so crisis is heavy…the heavy sales subsidies, bonus and tax breaks on BEV’s only while the rest remain open with free demand and offer….caused many short duration and leasing BEV ownership to recollect the subsides so with repeated sales to existing users harvesting bonuses, but the real BEV market growing sales to new users has been going down and down with the war, while electricity and gas price made some scary excursions , so only Tesla with no dealers and direct sales reacted fast, dropped price, production (officially component shortage as usual) and existing BEV fleet lost and looses value in the process, and fast. The excess recent used BEV stock piling up does not export to Africa and Middle East as well as thermals cars and now face the Chinese BEV crap competition , so with those 2 years warranty period and purchased with the « we ´ll get rid of it after… if we have to…» in mind..the safe bet today seems to be the new Prius 5 plug in hybrid , spot on demand…with sun roof for gas or juice shortage, 10 yrs warranty to hold value,etc…crasy, the demo Prius 5 immediately available are selling for more than the already excessive high new list price ones in Europe and on a long waiting list..lol..
@@sjb3460 the simple fact standard Dodge Penstar v6 is 3.6 litres displacement and Maserati with a similar block (meaning a casting machined thru the same transfer line from rough casting to finished product..) has a block for only three litres displacement with the same cylinder spacing of them3.6 liter one..So the Martinelli design is faster and more robust, yet it was a bit too heavy for the smaller Alfa GTA GTAm made later and therefore based on Ferrari’s four litres V8…with two cylinders removed. One critical aspect of quality control after all the block machining is the washing and cleaning insuring all machining cuts are removed and because of the higher costs involved after of low volume performers the cleaning is more critical. I know at Cat Mossville and Lafayette it was a major challenge, the 33 yrs i worked with them..some armful debris can be stuck in machined threaded holes,,etc..Another engine difference later is Ferrari’s special high pressure cooling enabling smaller coolers to be used and eliminating after boiling issues. But then minor cast porosities are no option and tighter controls may be needed on those. Note this HP cooling Ferrari design was transferred as part of their technical assistance to Ducati now owned by Audi…and this Ferrari tech, via Ducati is now accessible to Lambo..v10 v12 NA workhorses ..a small world..
This is a disaster of a car reminding me of the 1980s jaguars nice looking car but was a electrical nightmare be cool if a Chevy ls would fit with a gm 6speed
There were 7 main engines in the F136 Ferrari family. 4 of them were only used in the Maseratis, and the 3 remaining were very different and only used in the Ferraris. The R, S, U and Y variants are all crossplane cranks, equal length headers, single intake manifold engines used only in the Maseratis. They lacked about 60-90hp (or more) compared to each equivalent engine used in the Ferraris. The E, I and F variants were flat plane cranks, dual intake manifold, even higher revving engines used only in Ferraris. There were some other things different such as single versus dual cam phasers, camshaft duration, and rev limits as well.
@@fastcargtv6 Yes. The true Ferrari engines never came in anything but a true Ferrari. Ferrari-built engine is more appropriate when people talk about Maseratis or Alfa Romeos. It’s a real face palm when they same engine as an F430 went into their Maserati, that’s probably the worst.
@@exploranator The tubular design on them are actually pretty good, the only restrictions are the four catalytic converters. Secondary delete and high flows could yield maybe 15HP but there’s not a lot left in these engines. They are also equal length primaries from the factory, so I wouldn’t mess with changing out for different ones unless they were long tube equal length headers which I’ve never seen available. The equal length primaries provide the characteristic sound of the Maserati V8s.
Almost all maseratis well new maseratis are Chrysler's with a body kit but new Ferraris are still Ferraris I wish all new maseratis were just like the old maseratis with the Ferrari engines not like the new maseratis put your chryslers
If manufacturers did NOT do this the costs of doing R&D on bringing out new powertrains on new or anticipated models wouldn't have gifted us with come of the greatest cars ever! For example the new 2020 Supra (BMW co-developed inline 6 turbo), or the ENTIRE LOTUS LINEUP (All Toyota 4 & V6 engines just adding a Lotus supercharger). Yamaha makes engines for a plethora of manufacturers too...Volvo, Toyota to name a couple off the top of my head but there's more.
Yes, there are many shared technologies, manufacturing, parts, development, and designs between or together in cooperation. Actually, R&D is not very expensive, and aided much with CAD during all of my years [40+]. Clearly You confuse R&D with manufacturing, though there is some development required for manufacturing and some 'R' research does exist within manufacturing techniques, process, equipment, etc. If You user name is consistent with Your work, it also represents the typical misuse of title. Audio Engineers in the music recording, etc. are not actually engineers, but technicians and often developed in sound mixing, production, equipment selection, set up, arrangement, also for shows, theatre, motion pictures, videos, etc. An engineer actually designs the equipment and many, are involved in new developments, fewer involved in innovation and much fewer are involved in actual research. When beginning my studies in University to become an engineer, my early thoughts was to become an Audio Engineer, until the information became clear about the work and position. Such, my focus was within the closest to sound including voice within communication systems and electronics. Still my personal draw to audio, sound including playing instruments exist along with some innovative ideas for recording too. Am actually have been a design engineer with many years experience in development, innovation and research, mostly in electronics within satellite communication systems which are 'at the forefront and edge of technology for gov't classified customers. Sincerely
It should all be banned it's ridiculous, if you buy a BMW it should be 100% BMW, I mean if u opened a pack of sausages and found burgers that wouldn't be right so how are car company's getting away with it.
Those BMWs suck buy a M competition and put lambo door kit on it atleast then youll have performance the i⁸ out here fetting smoked by wrx and lancer evos
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Audi owner: I have a Lamborghini v10! It's just got a different crankshaft, con rods, pistons, cams, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, and tuning. "Same engine"
The engines are still the same because lambo is a rebadged audi
@@V_For_Vigilante but Audi was actually owned by VW at that time
Maybe you should watch this
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@@V_For_Vigilante and Nissan 300zx
i mean block is the same and it means u have a huge margin for tuning
A car that no one knows? Renault Vel Satis ! It share the same engine of the Nissan 350Z and the Skyline V35. In France this Renault sells around 2k euros so ppl use it to make cheap swaps.
These vq350 engines cost 300-400$ in Australia
At 4:09 he’s talking about a 3 cylinder engine, but picture is of a four cylinder- the plugs are prominent in the pic with no wires.
Instant loss of credibility. I don't think this guy has ever turned a wrench in his life.
I’m almost certain that the v6 used for the Jeep Grand Cherokee was the diesel because the diesel was the 3.0 liter. The gas variant came with the Chrysler pentastar v6 which is the 3.6 liter
I had a v8 grand Cherokee that was a Mercedes v8
Boy you are wrong about the ghibli. Just look up the ferrari F160 engine that’s the ghibli engine. Not a damn Jeep engine.
Yes, you’re right, they cut 2 cylinders, it’s basically same Ferrari block with 2 cylinder less
The skid god, ur right this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about, it’s only the diesel that’s shared thro fiat
The Lamborghini Urus is the first Lambo to ever have Audi's Quattro system. Knowing his fact alone makes me rethink the Urus's market value... It's a great system, but it's just a reskinned Q8
The Ghibli's 3L V6 isn't plagued by engine issues so much as it is by electrical issues.
I had a 90 or 91 Hyundai Excell which had a Mitsubishi engine in it. The transmission was bad and I bought it from a coworker for $1, replaced the transmission and lower ball joints and sold it for $950.
I like your straight forward simplicity, I understand you completely
What's the difference between the engine in the Ghibli vs. The Ghibli S or SQ4? I'd love to see a post about that.
As much as I dislike Wikipedia for their political affiliations, they have a lot of good info on that question.
So can I squeeze an Ferrari FF engine inside my 2012 Maserati quattroporte?
Started badly with VW group by missing 2 brands from the list. Kept referring to the more expensive cars. Lots of less costly cars share engines and gearboxes.
One model of Alfa used a Holden made V6 (2.8L) which Holden never used. Nowadays Nissan and Reault are using Mercedes motors. It goes on and on.
Alfa used Holden based engine, but it was 3,2L V6. It replaced the Busso engine.
Mercedes uses 1,3T engine from Renault.
Mini Cooper shares its engine with the Ford F-350 duelly
I would (almost) pay money to see that.
Mini uses bmw or Peugeot engines
Now that big trucks have inline four engines where you expect to find a v8 or inline six engine at.
Didn't know mini cooper made their own inline 3 engine for their cars as they have inline 4 engines under the hood.
About the maserati v6, I was waiting for you to say that it's a Ferrari v8 engine with two less pistons making it shorter.
Thank you for this information this was some very good bro science!!!
Wrong about ghibli, it’s Ferrari engine3.0, Jeep is 3.6 liters
He makes several mistakes but still good info.
Cylinder heads by Ferrari, pistons by Ferrari, swap out with MoPar heads and pistons and you now pretty much have the 3.6L Pentastar for the most part. So yes, the Ghibli uses a V6 that is the product of a collaboration between Chrysler and Ferrari. In fact, you can directly swap out the cam followers and rockers between the two, even though the camshafts themselves are different.
I believe one of the main factors is that companies have started emphasizing profit margins over quality/reputation/longevity. They understand that the benefit of selling more vehicles at a higher price point and having them wear out sooner (prompting buyers to buy new ones) outweighs the blow of a fraction of owners having more problems. Especially when they are spending less to build the vehicles to begin with. And you know what the saddest part about it is, suckers still fall for it.
Lotus spider use a Toyota celiac engine 😂
Celiac???
@@GeneralMartok00 he means to say the lotus exige uses the same engine as the Toyota CELICA
How about the VW Phaeton W12 and the Continental Gt and GTC? Actually the same CAR
+EuropeanCarParts Very true, maybe in the next video
Yeah. That is why I do not like the Bentley Continental, it will always be a Phaeton in my mind
Rolls Royce (all of them except the Phantom) are just a re-shelled BMW 760’s!!! Chassis, engine, much of the wiring harnesses, 95% of the electronic modules, all BMW 760! . They literally drop a different body shell on a 760 chassis and triple the price!
V8 Different Sound, 2 Ferrari engines but one designed by Maserati.
The F136 on Maserati has cross-plane crankshaft, whereas it has flat-plane crankshaft on Ferrari. I would argue that makes them a lot different from each other.
Ian Tang you are correct the crankshaft is different, flat-plane is slightly more expensive to produce because it’s harder to balance, and produces a more aggressive exhaust sound... but the main reason Maserati has Ferrari build the F136 engine with a cross-plane is it creates a lot less vibrations. If you hear a F430 idle you notice it has a much higher idle than a Maserati... this is to reduce vibrations at idle.... as the Maserati is a Grand Touring car a high revving flat-plane F136 set-up doesn’t match its personality.... hence the design change. Other main difference is the Ferrari has a dry sump.
Ian Tang same with the F599 engine, it have idle at about 1000rpm just to balance the engine
@@d2mcgill The cross plane crank is smoother .. but the Maserati version also has different cams which along with the crank allow a bit more bottom end torque.
@@marcinorlewski3253 No, I think it's just a matter of raising the frequency of vibration to above a level where they are not so annoying to car occupants. It's more of a seismic/acoustic thing
@@AFITgrad86 Which makes me wonder: Can we just drop in a Ferrari crank and re-order the firing of plugs and injectors to get that Ferrari sound for cheap?
I realize this is 5 yrs old but the Maserati - Ferarri 4.2 comparision has so many errors I had to comment I won't list them. ie Maserati Coupe is a duel plane crank and the Ferarri has a single plane crank which is the largest error.
Good video
At least the Huracan and Gallardo can the fixed with a VW macanic to fix the engine
I think VW and Audi engines itself are more important than car itself and thats why they dont put Lamborghini labels to those engines
For many of us in Europa a V6 is our V8.
LOL in America people dream of a V12. :D
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas
station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel
pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in
the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems,
turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and
New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be
done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of
crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. :-((///
4:04 count the cylinders
+Bob Sleeman Yes, so there is a 3 cylinder option (Cooper One) as well as a 4. Photo was showing an example of the 4. The one in the i8 is the 3 cylinder variant. Thanks so much for watching!
European Motors 4:05 Why not just so a rotory engine? It has 3 combustion chambers.
The engine shown was a BMC A series engine used in many BMC cars including the original Austin Morris mini
Not sure if you would know this or not, but if the gran turismo has the same engine as the f430 and 458, then why is the gran turismo a very deep raspy v8 sound like most v8s, whereas the ferraris are fairly high pitched?
Crossplane vs flatplane
Justin Hayes thanks so much man. I was really confused
You forgot Škoda in the first group.
Great point! very good information. I'm a aware because I deal with most of these brands ..but many have no idea...cost savings or rip-off?
+Sam Toure Yea man, interested to know the general population's thoughts
lancia thema 8.32 has a ferrari engine too
This has literally been happening since cars and internal combustion engines have been paired.
I like higher end cars that share motors, drivetrains, and other parts with completely different, cheaper cars. When you go to the auto parts store, would you tell them you need engine parts for a Maserati Ghibli or a Jeep Grand Cherokee? It's not always that easy and simple, but with a little digging, you'd be amazed at all the common pieces automakers share.
Of course one MUST know where the engine's from. I don't care if a "cheaper" block finds itself in an "Exotic" car, because what makes the Exotic, an Exotic, is the Entire package. There may be intake/exhaust differences, also, for we know NO WAY does a Maserati SOUND/FEEL... like a jeep cherokee, even if they share an engine block. I heard GM used to have a European engine foundry that cast alloy blocks for lots of cars, but those who used them didn't sound/feel like a stateside GM Malibu. And for years, Rolls-Royce used GM turbo-hydramatics, probably because at the time there WAS NO BETTER automatic.
In 2500hp drag racing, they stil use the TH400 basic design because it is so robust.
The engine in Mini Cooper (and a load of other cars) is a Peugeot engine!!!
yes and the first ones on the mini where not so good the chain tentioners where no good and streched the chain so it could skip a cog...
d2mcgill JV Engine with BMW and Peugeot
jan Staes first ones were tritec and Toyota diesel
First minis had tritec engine, second gen minis had Prince engine, co developed with Peugeot, newest minis now use another BMW engine
Current Mini Engine is the BMW B38 transverse engine - Comrades
Hey! Thanks for putting this together. The Ferrari F136 is the V8 petrol version, found in other Maserati models (but not the Ghibli, much less the Jeep). I know the Ferrari F160 petrol engine found at the Ghibli is definitely not the same as the Jeep. At the 3.0L configuration (Ghibli's configuration), Jeep only sells diesel, and that is an engine made by VM Motori (FIAT), the M157 (which indeed is the same as the Diesel Ghibli). For the petrol Ghibli (base, S and SQ4 models) the Ferrai/Maserati F160 is a petrol (gasoline) developed by Paolo Martinelli, Ferrari's F1 head of engineering during their 6 Championship titles of Constructors in the early 2000's. He was hired by Maserati for the Ghibli project (started in 2009) and thus the F160 engine is designed by Maserati (Ferrari basically), manufactured in Detroit under Ferrari specifications and shipped to Italy for assembly of parts at Ferrari and test before delivery to Maserati. The F160 shares multiple parts with the F154 (the next-generation F136) but with a different manufacturing strategy for the engine block allowing for mass production (and thus cheaper but not suitable for high end 600ish HP - so Ferrari doesn't use it on its cars). I'm a Ghibli owner for several months now and have put hours and hours worth of research and studies before buying the car during my comparisons with AMGs, XE-S and ATS-V, so this section of your video got my attention and I reviewed some of my previous reading here. I do fit on category #2 of people though since didn't know Lamborghini was under Volkswagen group nor mini was BMW branch. Cool!
Henrique De Paoli thanks 🙏🏻 from f136 Quattroporte owner
Thanks, from ghibli owner❤
@EuropeanMotors
Correction: Fiat does not own Ferrari, although FCA does own Maserati & Alfa
FCA is the parent company of Maserati.
EXOR is the parent company of Ferrari.
FCA own 10% of ferrari
video starts at 1:57
Great 👍
you have it backwards, and its not the exact same engine as the Jeep. the Jeep has a much larger displacement
U said 3cyl & showed a 4cyl 4:20 - ish
😴 what car people do not know this.
Good video none the less
ferrari 2016 on is no longer part of the fca group according to autoweek.
They still used Ferrari based engines thru 2021. The 2013+ Quattroporte GTS has the twin turbo V8 based on the Ferrari 488 engine.
The Facts about Audi and Lamborghini Engine are NOT correctly! A few parts are the same, but the most different. For example the older Audi s6/s8 have a 5.2 v10, the Gallardo have a 5.0 v10! How can that be the same? Ferrari f430 and Maserati 4300 Gt . There is 100hp different! The same? Because 4.3 V8? The Ferrari 4.3 ist exactly 4308 ccm, The Maserati 4244ccm. The same? I think you have no idea
They are the same
I explain you why it's not the same
san miguel
Audi makes the engines for lambo
That was not the question. Audi build it for Lambo, ONLY FOR LAMBO( this Engine). Trust me, it's not the same. inform yourself correctly beforehand
The RS6 V10 has nothing in common with the R8 or lambo
I thought ghibli had a ferrari, not a jeep engine. Is it true what this guy claims?
It's true. Look it up and there are articles that attest to it
This dude sounds like whistlindiesel
Thanks this video helps me
Good content here !
Truly bespoke parts are rare for any car
I was waiting for e60 m5 lamborghini v10
And now theres b58 from bmw in the new toyota supra
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Please do tell what Ferrari uses a none Ferrari motor. You really need to do some better fact checking.
umm, the V6 turbo from the ghibli, I could've sworn was same engine block as the Ferrari California, just with 2 less cylinders,, and i couldve sworn the Land Tover evoque had ford 2.0 ecoboost 4cyl, not a 1.5
You mean the Guilia Quadrifoglio
Paul J Well I know the Maserati has a Ferrari motor, not specifically sure which one Because I'm not familiar with Ferrari engine code
@@sjb3460 ok
@@paulj9821 got them mixed up
@@sjb3460 I said, I could’ve swore meaning it with my belief I never declared anything definitive
Ferrari left Fiat. Yah, Ferrari will live. The Maserati motor is derived from the Ferrari motor. The cranks are different for one thing. A lot of major parts are not the same. Ferrari does however manufacture them under contract.
Can you swap cranks and make the Maserati a flat-plane motor by just re-ordering the injector and spark timing?
@@exploranator honestly don't know
You will not believe that your camera did not focus on your face.
The only thing that's the same on the Maserati F136 is the bare engine block. Completely different crankshaft design (cross plane crank). They're so far apart that's not even worth trying to convert the Maserati variant into the Ferrari one. Oh yeah , your picture of a "3-cyl" i8 engine is a 4-cyl from the 1960's.
At least Ferraris are not fiat or Chrysler but poor Maserati cars are
Coolest engine F136!
Great engine mines got a Miller migglea exhaust and ECU and quick shit upgrade what a sound. And in tunnels orgasmic 🤤
Stop telling everyone about the f136!!!
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Yes the BMW i8 is very popular, so popular that BMW STOPS i8 production in april 2020 because a total of a dozen sales per month only is not viable. Error no1, a big one since you could have really devaluate the product further with two small electric motors stolen on the tiny i3, not a success either...
The Ghibli V6 3 liter only engine uses the US FCA Penstar 3.6 liter aluminium block casting and transfert machining block production line because no V6 were cast in Italy at the time, but beside a similar cylinder spacing only, crank, rods, pistons, liners, heads, Marell- Ferrari fuel injection and turbos are all different. In fact the Ghibli's turbos integrated and supported by exhaust manifolds is a quite unique, exclusive and compact design not found elsewhere. You really have a weard definintion of the "same " engine for two techologically different product using only a common engine block transfer line, specially for one of Martinelli's designs collecting regular "engine of the year" WW awards with V6's engines bringing 6 time the Formula 1 world championship title to M.Schumi. Error no 2. Note you almost could have made a correct statement on diesel sledghammers where 4x4 Levante and Grand Cherokee share the same robust four valves VM V6 found on Ghibli's diesel companies cars, but you excluded diesel from your wrong comparaison. Note proprelly upgraded, and maintained, my 410 HP Ghibli S has been totally troublefree for over 5 years now and just passed the technical inspection with as new emissions and performances but i guess many tyre and oil change shops can ruin such demanding and unknown product with a bad oil change, like on a 911 poorly lifted. But with this kind of wrong info that engine is a plain Dodge van Penstar V6 product, those cheap mistake can be common in the USA and product overall reputation depends on product support more than anything else and suffers from poor handling. Here near Italy, our Ferrari-Maserati dealers are really good with factory trained workshop managers and mechanics, not so cheap but competitive and qualified.
If Maserati and Ferrari share the same basic V8 thermal design of V8 's (block and head casting) and same generation ref. number, the similarity end's there, one is flat crank and the other has a conventionnal angled crank. Again not identical and not even similar...For instance Ferrari has one cartography for each gear ratio and a larger corresponding ECM/CPU. Both engine then sound totally different. Note a similar firing sequence battle with similar differences exists on four cylinders racing bikes between scramblers and big bang design, no comparaison possible on performance, vibration, breathing. Error no 3.
Note Fiat does not own Ferrari at all any longer. All Ferrari shares trade independantly on the stock market, although strong technical ties still exists with joint chassis design and engine engineering teams but costs are on totally separate accounting and now, engine assembly is getting more and more splitted FCA with PSA having bigger volume in futur. Error no 4.
Etc.
Note that with your great uniform leveling logic, a Koenissegg 1600hp engine would be the same as a 350 HP Mustang Coyotte V8 or the Bugatti Sharon WR16 just an old Golf R32 VR6 cyl.multiplier... So what about common chassis plateforms where Urus Cayenne, Touareg, Bentayla and now Q8 all share the same baseframe and are all in the same upper SUV market. The world market is about 70 Mio cars per year and a mass produced plateform need 6 to 10 millions units to be highly profitable, and that is the same for engines.... No surprise costly developpements are shared and PSA with FCA are mearging...etc. but today, two identical engines with different cartography downloaded can be very different and totally different with minor hardware changes, cams sensors, compressor wheel, etc. the rest, having the same basic function can be shared and identical on sport cars, GT's, limo, SUV pickups and vans for the cost saving of a larger volume, with long transfer lines from casting to finished, clean and ready for assembly... the rest a Ferrari engine in an alfa GTO or a Vette's LS V8 in a Camaro is just marketing gimicks for geeks.
Finally, you could have used some really meaningfull european exemples, knowing that the Duster and Class A can have the same Renault engine and there, for more than double the price you don't even get same value! But who knows the Duster in North America?
@@sjb3460you are correct, Maserati was six time F1 world champion with Manual Fangio and some outstanding chassis and Ferrari with a best engine designer Martinelli six time F1 world champion with Michael Schumacher…So, also rivals, glory was on different time, different key component and later on slightly different market, Ferrari with sport cars and track record products and Maserati with heavy steel grand Tourismo comfortable coupés and limos..The fact this engineering was combined for them and Alfa top range, ended up with regular engines of the year winners and a far superior Giorgio Alfa chassis…almost as fast as AMG low SUV on the Northschleife but while dragging a two inches taller body, height being a real high speed killer seeing Giulia and Stelvio time difference, but with the same engine and same chassis…
The sad current side is the consolidation of dealership with an BEV Ponzi scheme occurring…some dealers here stop representing Alfa or Maserati forced by Stellantis to take electrified stock and forced to borrow money for it , but those heavy anvils loose value quickly while in stock and remain dead stock with the possible margin eaten by Ev market price dropping saturation and devaluation…the same week with no replacement announced, MB stopped EQC, Honda the Honda e and Mazda the CX-30, so crisis is heavy…the heavy sales subsidies, bonus and tax breaks on BEV’s only while the rest remain open with free demand and offer….caused many short duration and leasing BEV ownership to recollect the subsides so with repeated sales to existing users harvesting bonuses, but the real BEV market growing sales to new users has been going down and down with the war, while electricity and gas price made some scary excursions , so only Tesla with no dealers and direct sales reacted fast, dropped price, production (officially component shortage as usual) and existing BEV fleet lost and looses value in the process, and fast. The excess recent used BEV stock piling up does not export to Africa and Middle East as well as thermals cars and now face the Chinese BEV crap competition , so with those 2 years warranty period and purchased with the « we ´ll get rid of it after… if we have to…» in mind..the safe bet today seems to be the new Prius 5 plug in hybrid , spot on demand…with sun roof for gas or juice shortage, 10 yrs warranty to hold value,etc…crasy, the demo Prius 5 immediately available are selling for more than the already excessive high new list price ones in Europe and on a long waiting list..lol..
@@sjb3460 the simple fact standard Dodge Penstar v6 is 3.6 litres displacement and Maserati with a similar block (meaning a casting machined thru the same transfer line from rough casting to finished product..) has a block for only three litres displacement with the same cylinder spacing of them3.6 liter one..So the Martinelli design is faster and more robust, yet it was a bit too heavy for the smaller Alfa GTA GTAm made later and therefore based on Ferrari’s four litres V8…with two cylinders removed. One critical aspect of quality control after all the block machining is the washing and cleaning insuring all machining cuts are removed and because of the higher costs involved after of low volume performers the cleaning is more critical. I know at Cat Mossville and Lafayette it was a major challenge, the 33 yrs i worked with them..some armful debris can be stuck in machined threaded holes,,etc..Another engine difference later is Ferrari’s special high pressure cooling enabling smaller coolers to be used and eliminating after boiling issues. But then minor cast porosities are no option and tighter controls may be needed on those. Note this HP cooling Ferrari design was transferred as part of their technical assistance to Ducati now owned by Audi…and this Ferrari tech, via Ducati is now accessible to Lambo..v10 v12 NA workhorses ..a small world..
Grand cherokee don't have a 3.0 , you don't know what you talking bout
This is a disaster of a car reminding me of the 1980s jaguars nice looking car but was a electrical nightmare be cool if a Chevy ls would fit with a gm 6speed
There were 7 main engines in the F136 Ferrari family. 4 of them were only used in the Maseratis, and the 3 remaining were very different and only used in the Ferraris.
The R, S, U and Y variants are all crossplane cranks, equal length headers, single intake manifold engines used only in the Maseratis. They lacked about 60-90hp (or more) compared to each equivalent engine used in the Ferraris.
The E, I and F variants were flat plane cranks, dual intake manifold, even higher revving engines used only in Ferraris.
There were some other things different such as single versus dual cam phasers, camshaft duration, and rev limits as well.
And the Maserati 4.7 litre version powered the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione and Spider
@@fastcargtv6 Yes. The true Ferrari engines never came in anything but a true Ferrari. Ferrari-built engine is more appropriate when people talk about Maseratis or Alfa Romeos. It’s a real face palm when they same engine as an F430 went into their Maserati, that’s probably the worst.
A set of headers on the Maserati and I think you get back a lot of the power. I would like to experiment with that.
@@exploranator The tubular design on them are actually pretty good, the only restrictions are the four catalytic converters. Secondary delete and high flows could yield maybe 15HP but there’s not a lot left in these engines. They are also equal length primaries from the factory, so I wouldn’t mess with changing out for different ones unless they were long tube equal length headers which I’ve never seen available. The equal length primaries provide the characteristic sound of the Maserati V8s.
Almost all maseratis well new maseratis are Chrysler's with a body kit but new Ferraris are still Ferraris I wish all new maseratis were just like the old maseratis with the Ferrari engines not like the new maseratis put your chryslers
If manufacturers did NOT do this the costs of doing R&D on bringing out new powertrains on new or anticipated models wouldn't have gifted us with come of the greatest cars ever! For example the new 2020 Supra (BMW co-developed inline 6 turbo), or the ENTIRE LOTUS LINEUP (All Toyota 4 & V6 engines just adding a Lotus supercharger). Yamaha makes engines for a plethora of manufacturers too...Volvo, Toyota to name a couple off the top of my head but there's more.
Yes, there are many shared technologies, manufacturing, parts, development, and designs between or together in cooperation.
Actually, R&D is not very expensive, and aided much with CAD during all of my years [40+].
Clearly You confuse R&D with manufacturing, though there is some development required for manufacturing and some 'R' research does exist within manufacturing techniques, process, equipment, etc.
If You user name is consistent with Your work, it also represents the typical misuse of title.
Audio Engineers in the music recording, etc. are not actually engineers, but technicians and often developed in sound mixing, production, equipment selection, set up, arrangement, also for shows, theatre, motion pictures, videos, etc.
An engineer actually designs the equipment and many, are involved in new developments, fewer involved in innovation and much fewer are involved in actual research.
When beginning my studies in University to become an engineer, my early thoughts was to become an Audio Engineer, until the information became clear about the work and position. Such, my focus was within the closest to sound including voice within communication systems and electronics. Still my personal draw to audio, sound including playing instruments exist along with some innovative ideas for recording too.
Am actually have been a design engineer with many years experience in development, innovation and research, mostly in electronics within satellite communication systems which are 'at the forefront and edge of technology for gov't classified customers.
Sincerely
The Ferrari engines is made by Chrysler. Fiat Chrysler Ferrari. But it really a Chrysler they manufacture it
Of course they do
as for range rover its owned by ford
And land rover is owned by Tata motors not to be confused with range rover.
It should all be banned it's ridiculous, if you buy a BMW it should be 100% BMW, I mean if u opened a pack of sausages and found burgers that wouldn't be right so how are car company's getting away with it.
You speak to much and say to little.
I didn’t wanna say this but I heard he was dating your mom. And she likes him a lot and likes talking to him. A lot.
Those BMWs suck buy a M competition and put lambo door kit on it atleast then youll have performance the i⁸ out here fetting smoked by wrx and lancer evos