They also cup their arms as well. They point their toes down/back, completely extended. Legs bent at knee for “elevator” but it’s really a combo of upper and lower body movements and shape.
This is impressive. Really cool. Scaling aerodynamics is REALLY hard, and the acute and very mixed control of wing suits is, from what I understand, really really complicated and would take some serious actuators and surface bending/billowing to replicate with any accuracy. I don't think any computer TX could replicate accurately the intricacies of what a human brain and a few hundred muscles can figure out to steer a suit, not to mention the sensors that humans come standard with (touch,joint position, wind on face, force on arms,legs, etc) but, If accuracy/scale is the goal, you did exactly what I would have recommended for a 2-servo ship. I can't wait to see you fly it!
You could build an air balloon to lift it, 2 air crafts in one project ;D. I really like the different air crafts you build, it differs from all the drone videos! Keep up the good work!
I thought I was the ONLY person that had one of these!! LOL I built mine 6 years ago, it's a great way for kids to learn flight without the prop dangers. I used a batman stuffed toy for my diver and 2 9g metal gear servos. 2s 300mah lipo. CG just below the divers neck. Instead of a parachute I used Halloween batwings from a costume store, they deploy with the flaperon switch. It's a sweet bank and yank flyer, and best thing is it could nail you in the face from the sky and its completely painless lol.
Interesting for sure! I'm a skydiver, wingsuiter, and wingsuit instructor with ~1500 jumps. Happy to help you figure some of this out. Currently, you're missing a key input on the tail, but for your purpose you may not need it. One thing to think about for your parachute -- what way is the model flying and what is the parachute going to do when the servo opens the parachute? With enough forward speed, the parachute will likely snag the bit that goes under the servo horn as the parachute moves towards the feet and not directly towards the sky.
Hey Tom, so you can smooth out those rough surfaces by using acetone. Yup, it's that simple. :) You place the model on a "stand" of some sort, inside a dinner plate or what ever. Then you take tissue towel and soak it in the acetone, put it in the bottom of a vase (make sure to wedge it so it doesn't slide down onto the model) and then you place the vase (upside down) over the model. And pour some water in the bowl or plate to stop any fumes from escaping. And voila! You will have a smooth model. Just be sure to keep an eye on it, I think it only takes like 30 minutes to 2 hours to do, so don't walk away from it once you've started. :)
Since it's not aerofoil shaped, this is more like an old-school bat suit than a wingsuit. I'm a professional wingsuiter and would love to answer any questions. The planform you chose is more like a beginner's suit and will have far less lift than the more advanced planforms that have a lot more wing surface area.
Fascinating video and concept. I really hope this works out. I do think there are two or three "control" elements missing from this design. For more accurate replication of wing-suit flight you would need to consider - controllable "Shoulders" (to allow you to independently tuck either arm in close to the body to more effectively control roll, and to tuck them in simultaneously to control pitch an airspeed) - controllable "elbows" (for fine pitch and some yaw control) - controllable "hips" - controllable "knees" Of course a wing-suit is far more difficult to accurately replicate in RC as this form of flight is controlled far more like that of a bird or other flying animal which means that every bone and muscle is used to finely control some aspect of the flight. Even the head! I love this project. All the best
Cool video! You may know this, but you can put a dab of hot glue on the voltage regulator before heat shrinking. So it will not changes voltage on you, after crashing a bunch. Can't wait to see it fly!
I think this is a great idea but sadly I don't think it'll work in its current form - for full control you'll also need to bring the hips and legs into play. You've got the right idea for roll control with the arms though. To turn right you'd either drop the right shoulder or straighten the left leg more than the right (or do both for tight turn), turn left do the opposite. To go forward faster your straighten the legs at the knees, slowdown or backslide bend the knees. Stability in flight comes from the fabric between the arms curving higher than the body CofG and acts like a shuttlecock - heaviest bit at the bottom. Hope this helps a bit, and looking forward to Pt2 regardless of whether it'll work or not :)
That sure looks great. Though I think it will glide... fall really fast and would be hard to control. You could launch that with a catapult. Will probably be more convenient than attaching it to another vehicle someone has to control. What I was thinking about for a while is a wingsuit made of carbon tubes and a "space blanket". Can make it really lightweight, which, in theory, would mean slower flying, more controlability and flight time. At cost of really bad wind penetration.
I've had an idea for a future build challenge. I thought designing a craft for self sustained flight with out using propellers, fans, rockets, or any conventional means would be fun. This would leave open ideas like flapping wings, Da Vinci's airscrew, thermal lift, and anything else you can think of. The vehicle should have some means of moderately quick forward movement and control (eliminating hot air balloons) and be able to maintain flight for at least a couple of minutes. If your up for a challenge maybe consider an upscaled rc honey bee that shows why the don't actually break the laws of physics. It sounds like a proper pain but that's what makes it fun.
And another thought I immediately had would be to allow them to pivot like hips do, to act somewhat like a rudder. My prediction however is, this thing is more than likely going to fall like a stone.
You can control both arms with one servo then use the other to change the angle between the legs and body, is tricky though because the whole body is used to control the flight, for example your hands can control direction, it's a very complex thing you're trying to replicate, you'll obviously simplify things though, I'm sure you can do it tom, i have faith in you, it'll be interesting to see how you do this. Cool idea.
Great project Tom, can't wait to see the results. I agree, 3D Printz filament prints very well and gives outstanding results, especially for the price. I met them at TCT last year, they are very nice people too. I use their filament on both my MK2 and Sigma with consistently great results.
Someday i really want to go wingsuiting. Probably the closest we can get to actually flying so i feel like that would be really awesome. Ive always wanted to be able to fly somehow so yeah.
Very clever design and very neat construction, Tom,congrats. As a wingsuit BASE jumper and RC flyer I'm really anxious to see the results. When we fly a wingsuit the geometry is constantly changing depending on what we want to do. This is extremely difficult to model in a rigid design as even small shoulder, arms, legs torso, etc adjustments can make a huge difference in the flight path. Good luck with your project and let me know if I can help you with any info.
roll control: if the diver pulls their right arm in, they lose wind resistance on their right which causes them to bank right. Your implementation of moving the arm back should also work but keep in mind that humans arms cannt rotate back quite like or as much as your model.
DUDE!! That's awesome :-) I have a RC Skydiver, but I never thought of making a RC Wingsuiter, that's too cool. looking forward to seeing it fly. PS I contacted one of my friends who builds his own wingsuits and asked him to help you along with tips/help. I'm not yet versed in wingsuiting as I am only taking the wingsuit course this summer.
Not an expert, but you'll probably need massive speed to have a noticeable effect of the control surfaces, so just dropping it from a height might not be enough.
So all he has to do is go to his local multi-story parking garage, or convince a radio station to let him drop it from their antenna, which would be cool.
The problem here is not the height itself, it is that at terminal velocity the wind resistance won't be enough for such a tiny wing surface. My guess is that it would have to be accelerated with a sling or something.
Loving the part 1 and part 2 stuff mate. Gets more info into the builds and gets double the views for your channel. If it helps a creator make more support then it's a good thing.
That is an awesome concept! I haven't seen anyone do this yet. My prediction is that it is much too heavy and will just fall like a rock. I suggest maybe 3D printing the frame with no infill and then using an airplane coating like Ultracote or some other film.
I think it's heavy because.. Wing loading is not linear in terms of the scale of your model. This calculator accounts for model size: www.ef-uk.net/data/wcl.htm Ex) if a person weighs 160lb and their wing suit's surface area is 2000 in2 then the "Wing Cube Loading" is 49.5 . I'm just guessing but if this model weighs 320g (with parachute) and the surface area is roughly 40 in2 the the calculated "Wing Cube Loading" is 77. To match the "WCL" of 49.5 I estimated this models weight should be around 205g.
They also cup their arms as well. They point their toes down/back, completely extended. Legs bent at knee for “elevator” but it’s really a combo of upper and lower body movements and shape.
This is impressive. Really cool. Scaling aerodynamics is REALLY hard, and the acute and very mixed control of wing suits is, from what I understand, really really complicated and would take some serious actuators and surface bending/billowing to replicate with any accuracy. I don't think any computer TX could replicate accurately the intricacies of what a human brain and a few hundred muscles can figure out to steer a suit, not to mention the sensors that humans come standard with (touch,joint position, wind on face, force on arms,legs, etc) but, If accuracy/scale is the goal, you did exactly what I would have recommended for a 2-servo ship. I can't wait to see you fly it!
You could build an air balloon to lift it, 2 air crafts in one project ;D. I really like the different air crafts you build, it differs from all the drone videos! Keep up the good work!
Love the idea of an RC wingsuit. Next you should make a ridged airship
I thought I was the ONLY person that had one of these!! LOL
I built mine 6 years ago, it's a great way for kids to learn flight without the prop dangers.
I used a batman stuffed toy for my diver and 2 9g metal gear servos. 2s 300mah lipo.
CG just below the divers neck. Instead of a parachute I used Halloween batwings from a costume store, they deploy with the flaperon switch.
It's a sweet bank and yank flyer, and best thing is it could nail you in the face from the sky and its completely painless lol.
Interesting for sure! I'm a skydiver, wingsuiter, and wingsuit instructor with ~1500 jumps. Happy to help you figure some of this out. Currently, you're missing a key input on the tail, but for your purpose you may not need it. One thing to think about for your parachute -- what way is the model flying and what is the parachute going to do when the servo opens the parachute? With enough forward speed, the parachute will likely snag the bit that goes under the servo horn as the parachute moves towards the feet and not directly towards the sky.
Nikko Mamallo I can't find the flight video so I'm assuming it didn't work out too well 😂
1500 jumps , WOW
Cool
Hey Tom, so you can smooth out those rough surfaces by using acetone. Yup, it's that simple. :)
You place the model on a "stand" of some sort, inside a dinner plate or what ever. Then you take tissue towel and soak it in the acetone, put it in the bottom of a vase (make sure to wedge it so it doesn't slide down onto the model) and then you place the vase (upside down) over the model. And pour some water in the bowl or plate to stop any fumes from escaping.
And voila! You will have a smooth model. Just be sure to keep an eye on it, I think it only takes like 30 minutes to 2 hours to do, so don't walk away from it once you've started. :)
Since it's not aerofoil shaped, this is more like an old-school bat suit than a wingsuit. I'm a professional wingsuiter and would love to answer any questions. The planform you chose is more like a beginner's suit and will have far less lift than the more advanced planforms that have a lot more wing surface area.
I love this kid, he makes our entire species better. Best of RUclips. Bob Ross loves you.
Well, you don't see anyone else as dedicated to engineering one of these from scratch on RUclips. Well done Tom! Cheers!
Thats gonna be BANANAS if it even comes close to working!
I'm always floored by how much you do in a week! I think wingsuit people use their "tail" as a control surface.
Can't wait to see how this thing flies!
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to get rid of the white on the 3d print use a heat gun, it will melt the little micro fractures back together
It also helps to sand the PLA under running water
You need legs to control roll/yaw, just like a skydiver would!
I'm stunned by your dedication!
You seriously have to keep going with the hovering rocket project. There is nothing like that project in youtube, and it is A W E S O M E
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Looking great already! Great work!
As a skydiver I think this is so cool. You could take it to a skydiving center and tell them to drop it from about 300mts. Best of luck.
This is the coolest thing ever!! Can’t wait to see it fly!
This has been a inspiration for me to build a scale plane, and the plane flies
You totally rock at explaining stuff (and 3D printing)
that's the coolest build this year very original can't wait for the next vid
You're freakin' awesome Tom. Can't wait to see part two!
Nice project. This parachute raiders with an FPV system will be a new rc sector.
Fascinating video and concept. I really hope this works out. I do think there are two or three "control" elements missing from this design.
For more accurate replication of wing-suit flight you would need to consider
- controllable "Shoulders" (to allow you to independently tuck either arm in close to the body to more effectively control roll, and to tuck them in simultaneously to control pitch an airspeed)
- controllable "elbows" (for fine pitch and some yaw control)
- controllable "hips"
- controllable "knees"
Of course a wing-suit is far more difficult to accurately replicate in RC as this form of flight is controlled far more like that of a bird or other flying animal which means that every bone and muscle is used to finely control some aspect of the flight. Even the head!
I love this project. All the best
Cool video! You may know this, but you can put a dab of hot glue on the voltage regulator before heat shrinking. So it will not changes voltage on you, after crashing a bunch. Can't wait to see it fly!
I get pretty exited every time you upload a video and you upload a lot
So you're essentially building everything that's missing in the Graupner catalog? How about a scale Caspian sea monster?
AlfonsoB now that would be something
In all honesty, I'd be surprised if that worked, but even more awesome!
Cool Idea. Pumpt to see how it works in the air.
Good job! Let see how it flies
I have been waiting for someone to make one of these forever, Thanks! :)
So interesting, I look forward to the following video
You are a smart man. I like your ideas!
Love that you (like I) use Spektrum!
I think this is a great idea but sadly I don't think it'll work in its current form - for full control you'll also need to bring the hips and legs into play. You've got the right idea for roll control with the arms though. To turn right you'd either drop the right shoulder or straighten the left leg more than the right (or do both for tight turn), turn left do the opposite. To go forward faster your straighten the legs at the knees, slowdown or backslide bend the knees. Stability in flight comes from the fabric between the arms curving higher than the body CofG and acts like a shuttlecock - heaviest bit at the bottom. Hope this helps a bit, and looking forward to Pt2 regardless of whether it'll work or not :)
wow, I absolutly love your video's this is amazing!
I love your videos as well. Especially the bicopter
That sure looks great. Though I think it will glide... fall really fast and would be hard to control.
You could launch that with a catapult. Will probably be more convenient than attaching it to another vehicle someone has to control.
What I was thinking about for a while is a wingsuit made of carbon tubes and a "space blanket". Can make it really lightweight, which, in theory, would mean slower flying, more controlability and flight time. At cost of really bad wind penetration.
I've had an idea for a future build challenge. I thought designing a craft for self sustained flight with out using propellers, fans, rockets, or any conventional means would be fun. This would leave open ideas like flapping wings, Da Vinci's airscrew, thermal lift, and anything else you can think of. The vehicle should have some means of moderately quick forward movement and control (eliminating hot air balloons) and be able to maintain flight for at least a couple of minutes. If your up for a challenge maybe consider an upscaled rc honey bee that shows why the don't actually break the laws of physics. It sounds like a proper pain but that's what makes it fun.
great idea but maybe you like to make the legs into an elevator?
How To DIY Rc what?
He's Saying make the legs control the height instead of them being a solid piece.
And another thought I immediately had would be to allow them to pivot like hips do, to act somewhat like a rudder.
My prediction however is, this thing is more than likely going to fall like a stone.
The legs do pivot at the hips. Did you watch the video?
yeh but I don't think they're controlled by a servo.
Awesome idea Tom!
You should have a fpv camera on it so that you can see where the rc wingsuit is flying.
and a roll stabilizer atleast
Great Design, I watch your videos in amazement, every time!
That Is so cool. This is something that I just hade to see.
Looking forward to the test flying day! Awsome idea!
Always looking forward to your videos, thumbs up!👍👍
You need a 25mW vtx/cam combo for the front and you can fly it FPV! Awesome project.
HECK YEAH!!! My dream come true!!
Awesome, looking forward to seeing the flight testing!
Brilliant I can't wait till the next one
Another ingenious creation. Lovely videos Tom! Great show off of your quick maths right there!
You can control both arms with one servo then use the other to change the angle between the legs and body, is tricky though because the whole body is used to control the flight, for example your hands can control direction, it's a very complex thing you're trying to replicate, you'll obviously simplify things though, I'm sure you can do it tom, i have faith in you, it'll be interesting to see how you do this. Cool idea.
The fabric works exactly like a ram air parachute. Also the roll axis is done by actually twisting your body. Using your own torque.
Genious mate. You know you have to FPV the head right 😉
Love your channel and your prints!
Dude 3D printz must’ve given you like 1 roll of pla to deserve that 6 second shoutout
Great project Tom, can't wait to see the results.
I agree, 3D Printz filament prints very well and gives outstanding results, especially for the price. I met them at TCT last year, they are very nice people too. I use their filament on both my MK2 and Sigma with consistently great results.
Someday i really want to go wingsuiting. Probably the closest we can get to actually flying so i feel like that would be really awesome. Ive always wanted to be able to fly somehow so yeah.
Your idea was crazy😉😉👍👍
Nice project! If it works I can easily see the RC wingsuit as a toy for the mass market.
Very clever design and very neat construction, Tom,congrats. As a wingsuit BASE jumper and RC flyer I'm really anxious to see the results. When we fly a wingsuit the geometry is constantly changing depending on what we want to do. This is extremely difficult to model in a rigid design as even small shoulder, arms, legs torso, etc adjustments can make a huge difference in the flight path. Good luck with your project and let me know if I can help you with any info.
Very imaginative, good skills. Maybe add a small spring to chute release arm?
Just when i think you cant build anything better then the last vid 😁👊✌
Looks very cool dude
Great project, looking forward to seeing the drop :D
You always make interesting stuff!
as always! epic work!
Looking forward to seeing part 2!
Interesting project! Can’t wait to see this guy in action!!
Part two! Can’t wait!
roll control:
if the diver pulls their right arm in, they lose wind resistance on their right which causes them to bank right.
Your implementation of moving the arm back should also work but keep in mind that humans arms cannt rotate back quite like or as much as your model.
This is so sick
Nice work. Might want to paint the back a different colour for orientation if it spirals
Just found your channel. Where has it been all my life!? Amazing work, keep it up!
Can‘t wait to see it flying. Btw, are you going to continue the hovering rocket model? :)
DUDE!! That's awesome :-) I have a RC Skydiver, but I never thought of making a RC Wingsuiter, that's too cool. looking forward to seeing it fly. PS I contacted one of my friends who builds his own wingsuits and asked him to help you along with tips/help. I'm not yet versed in wingsuiting as I am only taking the wingsuit course this summer.
this is going to be incredible! i hope it works :)
Well! This is just remarkable awesome! 👍🏻 what a great creative content tribute you are!!
Pretty damn awesome! Can’t wait to see it fly, errrrrr, i mean fall with style!
So good!
I’m predicting this thing to fly about as good as a rock.
Lets crowdfund a less embarrassing multimeter for Tom xD
Super original!
Looks nice there
Hey man good luck. I hope this works after all the effort you put in. Thanks
YES !
That was something missing in the hobby!
Not an expert, but you'll probably need massive speed to have a noticeable effect of the control surfaces, so just dropping it from a height might not be enough.
Robert K 2000 feet / 12 = 167 feet for scale.
So all he has to do is go to his local multi-story parking garage, or convince a radio station to let him drop it from their antenna, which would be cool.
The problem here is not the height itself, it is that at terminal velocity the wind resistance won't be enough for such a tiny wing surface. My guess is that it would have to be accelerated with a sling or something.
The hard part is when he gets it up to where terminal velocity wont be a problem, it's going to be far enough that it's almost too small to see.
Good point.
Awesome build! Thank you for the detailed video :)
Looking forward to see its behaviour.
quick maths! :D
2+2=4-1
Gandalf the White that's 3 quick mafs
2+2=4-1 that's 3 quick mafs
U guys are good men. U wil serfive the drogon!
2+2=3.999999999999909
I believe the white is from microfractures, a hot air gun should fix that because it'll remelt the surface material and it'll turn blue again.
you should build a huge slingshot to shoot it with. also use a fan for the solder fumes ;)
Loving the part 1 and part 2 stuff mate. Gets more info into the builds and gets double the views for your channel. If it helps a creator make more support then it's a good thing.
You have really cool ideas
I think moving the legs and head also helps with pitch
That is an awesome concept! I haven't seen anyone do this yet.
My prediction is that it is much too heavy and will just fall like a rock. I suggest maybe 3D printing the frame with no infill and then using an airplane coating like Ultracote or some other film.
Can't wait for part two!
I think it's heavy because.. Wing loading is not linear in terms of the scale of your model. This calculator accounts for model size:
www.ef-uk.net/data/wcl.htm
Ex) if a person weighs 160lb and their wing suit's surface area is 2000 in2 then the "Wing Cube Loading" is 49.5 . I'm just guessing but if this model weighs 320g (with parachute) and the surface area is roughly 40 in2 the the calculated "Wing Cube Loading" is 77. To match the "WCL" of 49.5 I estimated this models weight should be around 205g.