LARGER Climber with GREAT TECHNIQUE! Beta Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Beta bouldering climb comparison between my friend max and I. We climb the same problem to share our differences in beta.
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Hello Friends, Hope you're having a lovely day and great sends! Want to see more Beta Comparisons?
Much love to Max for helping me with this video ;)
Definitely want to see more. Just wanted to suggest using the same exact camera angle/position for these vids so there's less time translating between the two shots and more time directly comparing beta for the viewer. Thanks for what you do!
Would like to see more, also. I liked how you compared the two climbs and explained things.
I prefer your normal technique analysis videos over this. This was good to watch, but if you plan to continue with 1 video a week, I wouldn't want to miss out on the technique analysis :)
Very interesting, I think it's one of the more common things that my friends complained about when we first started, it's so much easier if you're tall! I think one or two more like this would be useful.
Yes!
As a 6'4" 230 lbs beginner this was both interesting and reassuring to see, thank you!
Awesome Tyler!
I saw that ball in sock high five. Great video lol
came here for this comment. thank you
I love this! I am 6'2" 339lbs and talking betas with my friends is always frustrating because our betas tend to be drastically different because I have a much longer reach then they do. it was interesting to be able to see this from the outside. Great vid!
Yeah, I didn't really notice at the time how much of a difference when we climbed (max and I) and when I started editing... I was like, oh... ok there is a huge difference! Also, At first I thought he was going to have difficulties at the start but nope, he worked around the problem and started high.
Thank you!
YES more videos like this! I am 5'4 so I have trouble with reaching holds and get stuck with bent arms A LOT! Also, I really appreciate technique videos, keep those coming!
Great comparison. I would love to see more comparison videos with Max.
Love it! And would love to see more, especially with women and shorter climbers.
Yes! I second this! I'm 5'2'' and I'd love to see short person beta on more problems!
Heck yes. I'm 6'4", 250, and breaking into V2s. (that my name is also Max is just a weird coincidence) Good to see there are other big climbers out there, not just wiry tiny folks!
hahaha what a huge coincidence!
Hey Max! I am also 6'4" and now down to about 260ish. Started climbing at 300 1 year ago. Was very discouraged by plateauing on some v2s, but am very happy i stuck with it. Still barely doing v3s, but progress is progress. May I ask what grade you are at now?
This is an awesome comparison! Sometimes it is not easy to share beta with climbers with different height/wingspan but being able to see what moves differ is absolutely helpful. I'd love to see more!
I’m 6’5” and 187 pounds , 1m95 and 85 kg for the euros ( Belgian viewer myself and climbing 6a to 6c ) and my experience on climbing as a tall person is that i struggle on crunched positions, crimps and balance but far reaches ,dynamic moves and mantles are easier . Kinda obvious maybe but hey all that matters is reaching the next hold 😁😁😁
Thanx for all the tips and vids , keep it up ❤️
hi! i know this comment is old and sorry for rehashing it, but if you still do climb, how have you been able to overcome this?
This is another in a long line of super videos! I love the beta vids. Please keep them coming. I’ve been climbing for a few months and I’m moving into V3/4 routes, which is forcing me to think more about technique. These videos are like a trip to the gym to watch better climbers. Thanks so much!
I'm glad you loved it! Thank you.
This type of content would help me A LOT as a 6 foot 7, 245 lb guy
At the beginning, you saying “a barn door” was perfectly aligned in terms of rhythm and pitch with the music and it was sooooo satisfying
Thank u so much for this video. Im a beginner climber and a big person. Hard to find videos that shows how big size can climb efficiently. Nice one 👍
I'd love to see more comparision videos. Bouldering Bobat has a couple similar ones, where they compare static vs. dynamic styles, short climbers vs. tall climber, etc. - it's always really interesting and helpful to see how different people solve the same problem.
Awesome, Thanks for the suggestions! I'll see what I can do.
Kerbal Space Program music was pretty much made for climbing montages haha.
This is super helpful - I climb with people who are both taller and heavier and they often try to get me to do their beta. This encourages me that their way isn't always going to be my way.
Love it! I'm 5'9 220lbs so glad to see big boys move so fluidly on boulders
Glad I found this I’m 6’4 260 and this gives me the confidence I needed to get started knowing if other bigger guys can do it well so can I ! Thank you
Very nice comparison video. Professional editing and you break it down very well. Love to see more.
Really cool video, both for the content (as I'm a larger climber) and for the editing and style - really nicely done! Subscribed.
This is a great video for me, as a new climber I'm doubting my beta for each problem, it's good to see comparisons and how different people chose different routes, and then I can transfer this learning to improve my own beta selection. Thansk again man
I find these very helpful!!! I'm 267 lbs and I'm a beginner. So to see the comparison between different body types is very very helpful!!
This is so cool to see your skills and technical steps. I'm a real noob just started bouldering I went for the second time climbing last weekend and I'm already hooked😁 already i want to buy good shoes whahha, this is best workout I ever have done. After 15 years wakeboarden this Wil be my new sport and hobby. Greats from holland keep the good content up. Learning allot from your content👍
Thank you times 10 for posting this. I am a bigger and taller guy, so this helped me out a lot. I think there are many bigger people who have stayed away from climbing thinking that it is only for the fit-elite. I hope you make other videos like this in the future.
love beta comparisons! Im 4'11" and had to really learn to make big moves lately at cliffs >.< especially the black v3 on turtle butt
Great video. I'm 6'1" and 205 and old AF, so I really stand out in the gym. Nice to see big dudes boldering!
Nice vid man!
Love the "markings" you make.
Realy like it when you compare styles next to each other, like this vid and e.g. the one with geek climber.
Must be difficult for routesetters to make a good route for both shorter and taller people. Where i climb there are guys 7+ feet tall and -5 feet tall kids, realy cool to see that they both can solve the problems.
Yeah, I agree with you. Doing this and watching this really let's you know how difficult it must be for route setters to create a problem that would work for different body types AND to make it enjoyable too... Much respect to the setters indeed. Glad you liked it my friend, Thank you!
Good vid, but...You find it surprising that he climbs very similar to you, given the body type difference. On a straightforward V3. I would like to see the comparison between you guys on a higher graded problem (like V6 - V9) because that’s when personal beta really starts to come out, given the trickiness and difficulty of certain moves that favors certain styles climbers developed over years. My bet is you guys would climb quite differently.
Comparisons ...are the BEST ! Thank you .
Thanks for this video! I find it super interesting how even though you guys use slightly different beta, a lot of the fundamentals are still the same. I'd be really interested in seeing something like this again, but maybe on a different variety of problems! Cheers!
I like this kind of video, I think it would be nice to see beta comparison videos with multiple problems in one video. Not every route will be climbed the same and it might be interesting to see these kinds of comparisons on overhang routes, or more technical routes.
Definitely enjoy these comparisons.
Yeah definitely want more!
I am just shy of 5'10" and have my weight down to just under 210. I climb with some pretty strong climbers but they weigh about 155. The one guy does a lot of free solo climbs and has free soloed up to 5.12c. He has been climbing for a long time but I want to see what it would be like for him if he had another 50+ lbs on him. His strength and technique are great and I am sure he could still out climb me as I have been doing this for just over a year and only the last 8 months or so have I been able to climb twice a week.
It's nice to see a heavier guy climb and what is possible and how they do it.
I really like the Idea of climbing with a 50+ lb vest on. I have a feeling my climb would change based on how I need to work with the added weight or maybe not. Now I'm curious myself lol Thanks for the suggestion!
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I would love to see more big people climbing! I'm 6'4" 270 and this is the first video I've seen with anyone close to my size!
Like these comparisons, quite useful for reading different beta at the gym
Thank you, good to know!
This is amazing! Me and my uncle are bigger guys, me being 5. 11 and 230 and my uncle being 6. 3 and 250. We look around and always see slim people only rock climbing, it makes me believe that I have to lose weight (which isn't a bad thing) but I loved watching this because it highlights heavier set climbers. I would love to see more comparisons please!
This is a great comparison! I’m 6’7” 225ish….I’m a fairly new climber, but really starting to get the hang of it and of course my height has an advantage in a lot of places, but not some much in others…..especially on the starts on a slopey bouldering wall or a boulder that smashed into a corner. Found your channel through Magnus, you guys definitely need to collab again!
Love the focus on a much bigger, heavier climber. Dispels some myths
I would love to see more videos like this. I'm 5ft 10 and climb with a 6ft 3 friend. He can complete more climbs than me. He always dismisses it saying, "I cheated. I'm tall." I know that it is to do with body type and the fact that I often need to do more moves to get to the same place. It was so interesting to see this in your video. There are times when I have the advantage because he gets too scrunched up on the wall with foot and handholds too close together for him. It would be great to see how Max deals with those kinds of situations. Thanks.
I do find this video helpful, cause I am 6 foot 5 and I notice that most routes are not concipated for tall ppl. I have no trouble reaching the grips, but the steps I often cannot reach. Therefore I found this helpful, cause I can see that Max keeps close to the wall despite his height and can do a low start standing by keeping his weight above the steps. More please!
Love the comparison videos!
excellent content man, enjoyed the video.
Thank you!
5'10" 250 lbs. Love to see different betas and it helps me review my own footage and think about how to improve my own beta.
YES we want to see more beta videos comparison please.
yup, loved this
I am 6,9 and would like to see more about tall people climbing, love your videos, keep up with the good work
Great positive and constructive comparison. Really cool that both of you had an efficient flow. Another aspect is each climber's "range" of reach? Evident by height in this video, but have seen shorter climbers have absurd range despite taller climbers stayed closer.
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I find it impressive when I see a short climbers reach a hold which seems not possible. It's the way they twist hips in and fully extent ( takes a lot of control and tension ) that works for them and also Ape index has a huge part as well.
While there is no correct or incorrect beta, there is usually a "more efficient" way of climbing something, even if you're comfortable doing it a certain way. The best example is the difference in how you two start that route. As someone who used to be in very good shape, I would usually stay low on my starts and muscle my way up or use dynamic movements with little regard for efficiency. Having been out of shape and getting back into climbing it is almost always more efficient for me to get my hips into the wall and start from a position where most of my weight is on my feet, if at all possible (obv not always a possibility). Hips close to the wall on vertical, slight overhang, and slab walls almost always makes things easier and more efficient, which allows me to save my energy for the parts of the climb that require it. It also saves my fingers from getting torn up. Getting back into climbing while out of shape has really shown me the value of technique and balance, and once I'm back to strength I think it's going to pay off
Very cool concept. Max is a beast! Nice climbs!
When I first saw him at the gym I was like... 😮Beast indeed!
6’6” and 215 lb here. Glad to see I’m not the only one with unusual boulder starts
Make more vids with Max! I'm 6'6 270 this is amazing to see no one puts out content as a big guy
As a heavy climber I would love seeing more beta comparison videos.
The first big dude I saw at the gym was killing it. I was like 😮
Useful comparison! I would really like to see a video about when dynamic moves come into play, and how to know. Some climbers I saw can do some moves quite slowly and methodically, while I don't have the strength to go that slowly and have to go for a dynamic move. I would like to see a video where maybe one can send the problem statically, but someone else has good reason to use a more dynamic approach :)
Love the idea! Thanks my friend for the suggestion.
Love the channel man! I'm pretty new myself and would like to hear more about how a newbie would go about visualizing the route. I can climb pretty difficult stuff for being a beginner but I spend to much time going up because I don't know what I'll be able to reach until I get there. I know that it'll come with time, just wondering if you have any suggestions. I'm 6'1" & 210 lbs. Keep up the good work!!
Love your videos. Only been climbing a year but I love it! If you are ever in Ky give a shout and can maybe come to our gym and climb. Keep putting out your stuff!!! Very helpful; you are a natural.
More with max please. Especially when max needs to do a layback. Or anything with 2 points of contact.
I'm 192cm or 6'3" tall and weight 136kg or 300lbs. I started bouldering two month ago and currently I am able to climb 6b ~ V4 at most. My goal was to reach 6c by the end of the year but progress has been slow.
I hope I will be able to lose some weight because I hope that my capabilities would shoot up by being lighter. That would certajnly be a rush. But food tastes too good.
Thanks for the vid. I think it would maybe be more interesting to see you both do your 'natural beta' flow and then try and climb each other's beta to just see how much of a difference forcing beta / climbing natural style makes on a problem.
Very interesting... I can just imagine max going for the lower hold and being all crunched up with my beta and me trying to reach the higher hold... I'd probably have to dyno to it lol. Thanks for the suggestion, It'll be interesting to see indeed.
Shout-out to big man climbing crew 😎. It would be great to climb with Max as he's an inch taller than me and it would be cool to bounce ideas off of him for different problems. Maybe I'll run into either of you when I'm at LAB again 👍
For sure man! If you see either of us say hi! we can even work on a problem together too!
As a big guy myself (6'2, 255), and a very novice climber, I would love to see anything that may be useful for larger climbers.
Good to know! I'll see what I can do to continue this kind of videos. Thank you!
Yes, I'm about your height so I always assume the person setting the route was taller than me, and I always wonder about their solution. Very interesting video for sure.
Do find that some gyms grade their climbs a lot higher than others? That climb would be graded a V1 or V2 max at the gym I frequent.
Just very curious, because I've been climbing some really tough overhanging V3s and then I go out to the crag and knock out some V5 and V6 routes.
My only weaknesses are my weight and really small crimps, but I'm working on both.
Max has impressive hip mobility and that's very very important if you are a tall climber.
I sit at 6ft tall and 180lbs so I'm not as big as him but I'm still on the larger side of climbers. It's a lot of fun to talk with other people about technique and work on problems at the same time while doing them differently
I Agree, I do enjoy watching other climbers solve a problem I've worked on and see what they do differently and why. Sometime I do end up stealing beta ;) but who doesn't right!?
@@rockentry in every sport I've taken seriously, that is exactly how I become better. Watch the people better than you and take what you like from their form and try to do what they do.
As a 6'7" and 210 lbs climber I will enjoy more videos like that, maybe on a higher grade
Awesome!
Good stuff!
Its really interesting to see the difference. I'm 6'3" 218 lbs
Awesome! I want to now more about Max and how he is dealing with his extra-weight!!
Being taller/bigger than average myself, people are easily jealous of my size and reach, but my fingers have surper hard time supporting me, especially in small holds
"take an extra 40 pound in a backpack climbing, you'll understand" ;)
Some bodytype are made for some sports:
-Strongman for big guys
-street workout and gymnastic for small guys...
this won't mean you can't have fun practicing anyway if you don't match the stereotype, but you will struggle more and underperform for the same effort.
climbing is definnatly for thin persons, and I'll really enjoy an interview of max about his journey!
Yeah, some body types do have their strengths and weaknesses depending on the sport and body type as you mentioned.
But, Your last sentence says It all. You will struggle more than others BUT can still have FUN! The endgame for me in this sport is to enjoy it. I myself used to say I wish I started climbing earlier but I started climbing at 30yrs old. Now Instead of treating it as a weakness I see it as a challenge, How strong can my body get at this age? and how much more can it take? It's harder to progress but I'll take that as a challenge and enjoy the progress that I can make.
Yeah it is all about having fun.
When I can do a climb that a much lighter person or younger person can't do I feel real good about myself and my progress along with bodybuilder types that are real lean and strong. I am happy with my progress. I started at 39 in good shape by a lot of people's standards and struggled with 5.7 5.8 climbs and pumping out. Now I dropped about 10lbs and those climbs are nothing anymore. No pumping out. I can lap those like nothing and I have climbed almost a dozen 5.11- routes. When I started, the first 8-10 months I was lucky to get in once a week let alone once a month over the summer. This last winter was slow for me and I started to climb twice a week and I really progressed then. Your channel was a big part of that too. Breaking things down and tweaking things to send.
I'd like to watch more videos like this because I think I can't reach some holds because I am short.
Being a bigger climber I find the start is sometimes the hardest part
Hello friend,you are a good mentor😊.I like it
What kinds of pants are you using? Looks like tight ass levis Jeans 🤔
If you above 200lbs, you’re apart of the “Thick Boi Airlines” climbing club 💪
The big man moves pretty good!
sooooo smooth!!
Nice science , give more beta please its intresting
Love this !! I'm tall too so that's really interesting to see !
question: why do you climb in jeans? i tried once, because of your videos.. feels restricted, even with stretchable jeans.
Hahaha do u always climb with jeans? Maybe I should try that out sometimes
What about beginner vs advanced climber in the same route?
This one would feel uncomfortable for me to make as I feel like I'm displaying how good one climber over the other and I wouldn't wanna be that climber :/ Maybe just have to be creative with it, we'll see. Hopefully in the future I can probably compare myself with a PRO climber's beta? Thanks for the suggestion tho!
Of course this should be in a kind way. Or you teach someone „at the end of the comfort zone“ (which everyone is at a certain level) a better beta.
You are a good guy. I think if you found a beginner to compare yourself too they should not feel lime you are showing off or anything like that. Some people would be butt hurt but there are plenty of people like me who know what kind of a climber we are and that there are tons of people better than me. If I have the chance to work with someone better than me who will take the time to help me progress I would be happy and take that opportunity to grow. I got better by watching and learning and taking advice. I got better by watching your channel and learning too. Find the right guy or girl. I think it would be great. All the little differences that end up making a big difference.
I always appreciate tips from more advanced climbers at my gym, it's a good way to learn. Everyone I have asked for help has been forthcoming.
I do like to work out the bata myself so only watch people on it if really struggling. Have never felt put down as a beginner. Would never expect to be as good as someone bouldering for years when I only have 1yrs experience.
I'm about 6'1" , 250 lbs and I've been contemplating whether or not I should try climbing. I have no upper strength to speak of and I've never in my life managed to do a single pushup.
Climbing is for everyone :) get on that wall and give it a try. Be patient with yourself and have fun with your progress. Best of luck to you my friend.
More please
Who seen the props fist into the high five? :D
I wish u were my coach!!!!!
What I really want to see is you to belay that dude!
How much does your friend can climb on red point? (if he climbs outside)
im 6' 202lbs ... ima loose weight so I can climb again.. fckin miss this
What grade does Max climb most often? Nice to see a guy of similar height, I'm 6' 10" and weigh 230 lbs.
And how long has he been climbing too?
I've seen him climb V5's like nothing but I wouldn't be surprise if he climbed higher grades to be honest. We just climbed fun problems during this video and didn't really check grades. Thats awesome that you can relate to him in this video! very similar you two.
What the V means? I saw in videos and some photos, v1, v2, v3, v... What does the V means? It's a route that the climber must follow?
Its is a rating system 0 being the easiest. V is the initial of the guy who made the system.
I'm quite tall myself, so very interesting!
But is he really full-crimping everything? That doesnt look nice, nor healthy...
I was like how the f is oswaldo only 140 lbs that's how much I weigh and I'm skinny, but then I realized he's 5'7". Interesting advantage because he looks buff but still only 140
Not larger by being taller but same height and heavier give some insight on that
No you're not in the same position. The leg he's actually standing on is extended ufrther than the one you're standing on. You say you're both fully extended as though the dangling leg makes any difference for your reach.
I'd have to disagree and heres why:
1. Yes, We are in the same body position. We're both in the same position having our center of gravity above our left foothold to release weight from our hands, my overall point. both right foot are used to stabilize ourself, I'm using the wall and he is using a foot chip.
2. Dangling leg? Look closely, seriously. Notice that any pressure you add to the wall ( in this case my right foot ) 4:05 makes a huge difference. It's not dangling it's actually very important and really adds to the reach, you might not think that but... trust me I was up there. And max is using a foot chip on his right foot and yes he is using it to fully extend himself.
If I'm missing something please feel free to clarify.
show us some overhang or roof climbing comparison where reach doesnt but only weight matters.
Yeah that is where my weight really makes a difference. When I'm on slab it's not bad. But when I am really overhung that is when things really change. Decent holds turn to crap and get pumped out quick. Especially lead climbing and having to clip when overhung and hanging on by one hand.
more pls
Interessant (Norwegian)
Interesting
0:35 The way he talks... Why am I getting p*rn vibes?
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I’m new to all this...what do you mean by Beta?
Beta is another word for data or information on a route. I had to look up a lot of the wording too when I was new. Just over a year and i am still not fluent on everything yet.
Beta: Information about a climb. How to climb it, moves used on the climb, duration of the climb, the crux (most difficult part of the climb) etc...
I’m 52 and just started two months ago. Having a blast!! Challenging as hell. Never to old to learn a new skill...body is definitely asking “WTH?!?!”
Really dig your channel!