Redefining "Perfect" Quran Preservation
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Muslim apologetic claims about the preservation of the Quran have changed recently, and will continue to. This video looks at some recent developments and what Muslims are actually claiming as they attempt to affirm the latest revision of "perfect" preservation.
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Bible is corrupt, can't even come close to the hadith
They certainly give you lots of material to work with!
but quran at least better than thousands of variations of bible isnt it? What are those critics?
Christian: Bible is Still gods word , jesus the way.
😂😂😂
What about the ones eaten by Aisha's sheep?
What about the ones Uthman burned?
What about the 35+ copies that are bought today?
Where is an "Original" Quran from the time of Muhammed? They say they were memorized, We have no way to know what was memorized.
"spread by the sword, died by the internet"
which sword made Islam world fastest growing religion today?and keep growing?which sword is making europeans revert?little knowledge is dangerous..
Yes it is dangerous, the "reverts" are only immigrants in europe who grow their children muslim.@@puch9830
congratulate me guys
I left Islam
not following a pedophile anymore feels so goood❤
Bless you. The veil has been torn.. And the light has come in. Jesus loves you... The real Jesus.. Not the Islamic Issa.
Alhamdulillah!!!
Congratulations🎉 But you can still believe in One God who rewards according to our actions without believing in Islam.
Welcome to the Family of God.God bless you .
Congratz, but also try to wake you "ex-brothers and sisters" up from this false belief. 🥰
Without Lies and Deception, Islam dies!
Switch, deception and lies and you have a nice rhyme.
didnt die I am still a muslim! I dont care what christians say with their variations of bible! 😂😂😂
nice npc slogan i bet you support ukraine
one quran says "you", another says "I".
Dawah script: "they are different accents" 🤣🤣🤣
With out negative IQ`s religion dies.
"One Islam's biggest enemies... truth" 😂
@@1541965 What? Taking verses out of context?
@@1541965 Lies in the Quran:
Allah is omniscient and eternal yet he abrogates his words in Surah 2:106. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
When intelligent christians are becoming fool what can muslims say! Lol the last word for them
@@1541965 These are the prophecies about the Abdls and Abdlism.
Islam biggest enemy is Jesus Christ.
The Quran has been preserved from the 1920s in over 35 different Qurans!!
the 35 qurans are only different minor things like an extra alif, harakat swaps, etc
the general meaning is perfectly preserve
@@MaalikFaun Ha, Ha Ha. No, they are not, there are very different meanings!
@@MaalikFaun
Yesterday: letter for letter
Today: general meaning
Tomorrow: goat 🐐 ate Quran 😋
@@MaalikFaun And the meaning of the Quran is ultimately Anti Christ.
Well done brother, you teach me a lot with a chuckle along the way.
Brilliantly broken dowm and explained. Loved the humour too. Thanks Colin
1:09 "it's so odd to hear these constant defences of Islam primarily against other religions as if it has no merit on its own."
Beautifully put and evidently true.
Exactly
It's a reactionary ideology. Entire point is to be a very antagonistic opponent and be a catalyst for all sorts of conflicts.
@@oishikhasan8500 meanwhile this channel is litearlly define by holy religion of al islam
"islam critiqued"
it is a common truism among ahlul islam that the core work of christian apologists is about attacking Islam Lol
@@MaalikFaun Bruh, your so-called final messenger's literal family members and other devout followers were embroiled in civil wars among themselves. They couldn't even live in peace among themselves, not to mention all the conflicts they were involved in against non-believers.
From the very beginning the ahlul crowd has had bad relations with rest of the world. Of course you guys will never admit any fault in the "final messenger's" teachings and preaching, you will never admit all the negativity and hatred he brought to this world. He is perfect of course.
1.6 billion ahluls continue to live in denial and point fingers at anyone and anything except themselves and their belief system.
@@MaalikFaunThat is the most laughable claim. We have volumes of material by Christian apologists, enough to fill up multiple bookshelves from centuries before Islam existed.
It’s astounding to me how many Muslims, like the sheikh at the beginning, talk about the hundreds and thousands of Bible versions and then proceed to list off a bunch of English translations. And then in the next breath say “but there’s only ONE Quran” by which they clearly mean the original Arabic.
If you’re gonna compare the Bible to the Quran and make a big deal about the former’s different versions and variants, at least be consistent and compare the original language texts…
Great video!
No it doesn't work like that, Islam is based on lies and deception, don't spoil it with truth.
It's not even the original Arabic. If it were perfectly preserved Arabic from the time of Muhammad, it wouldn't have the modern Arabic's dots and vowels! The fact that they do have that in their Qurans proves that it can't be word for word and dot for dot from Muhammad's time.
@@RichWhiteUM
this comment shows ur lackof Knowledge
there was no Book quran in the tiem of the prophet.
Abu Bakr, Zayd ibn Thabit launched the first Qur'an Book project after the prophet's time.
They know they are lying.
@@MaalikFaun Exactly! That's the most elementary proof that the claim of perfect preservation is most certainly false. But in this case "original language texts" would most naturally be interpreted as "the oldest known surviving manuscripts". And from the oldest surviving Qur'an manuscripts and fragments we know for absolute certain that the Qur'an has not been perfectly preserved. It has been *well* preserved, just as the Bible has. But not miraculously so, in either case.
Hey Colin, did you know that in Jeddah, Saudi, they have gigantic art structures at each major traffic circle(roundabout). One such art work is of our solar system....but with one major twist.. It has the Earth as the center with the sun and other planets orbiting Earth. When I drove passed it for the first time in 2009,I was like ...Hold on, wait a minute... Sumtin aint right!!! 😂😂😂 But that was before I learned about the scientific miracles of Islam...😂😂😂.. Now it makes sense.
Really??? The earth as the center of the solar system.
Fascinating… 😂😂😂
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid Yes.. And the art work is huge with a diameter of 75 meters. Not sure if they've torn it down by now.
@@lukeskywalker6209 according to einstein's relativistic mechanics, there is no absolute motion. So there is nothing wrong in saying the sun orbits the earth, because that is true from the earth's perspective.
All motion is relative
@@MaalikFaunIn the time of Aristotle, it would stand as an argument but NOW The famous muslim dawagandandist Ali Dawa would say, "it has been debunked, yesss, debunked and we are proud of that" as Einstein's general theory of relativity needs to include and account for Stellar PARALLAX and measurable tilt of incoming starlight known as Aberration which prove that the Earth revolves around the sun.
Using your standard of argument, you would also say that, with Mohamed as your pattern of perfect humanity, you can marry, have sex with an 11 month old baby because she shows signs of precocious puberty?!. LA LA habibi....that is not the right way of thinking!
I invite you into the 21st century and I also invite you to get to know the real Jesus (not the fake Islamic Issa) who died on the cross for your sin, and was raised back to life offering you new life by faith in Him.
Jesus loves you @MaalikFaun. He cares about you and what you believe. Get to know the Jesus who raised the dead, healed the sick, fed the hungry, bound up the bruised in spirit and the brokenhearted, died on the cross and is alive today?!
@@MaalikFaun - and Islam is likewise relative too!
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Liked and commented before watching for the algorithm.
Muslims: The Quran has been "perfectly" preserved.
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
That’s inconceivable!!!
Simply beautiful work.
Imagine if I was in court, I gave my testimony.... then you investigate my court case and look into that testimony, but you find two sources.
One Says: "I met him at the park, and I said Hi."
Other Says: "I met him at the park, and He said Hi."
According to Muslims there's no contradiction here whatsoever, it's just a different dialect, or mode of recitation, even though I was QUOTED saying this.
I honestly thank Yasir Quadhi. May God bless his work exposing Islam. AmeeeEeeeEeEeEEn
1- Riwayat Hafs “is the most famous Qur’anic narration in the islamic world, since the era of the Ottoman Empire; Because it was their official version, and it is spread throughout the East, the Arabian Peninsula, the nations of Asia,in Egypt, and many African nations
2- Riwayat Warsh is spread in the countries of the Maghreb (Algeria, Morocco, and Mauritania), and in a number of West African countries, such as: (Senegal, Niger, and Mali)
3 Riwayat “Al-Douri’is the most widespread Qur’anic narration in Somalia, Sudan (especially in the middle), Chad, and Nigeria”
4 Riwayat Qalun is the official Qur’anic narration in Libya and Tunisia
the Qur’an was revealed in one style at the beginning, but the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) kept asking Jibril until he taught him seven styles, all of which were complete. The evidence for that is the hadith of Ibn ‘Abbas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “𝗝𝗶𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗹 𝘁𝗮𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗺𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘀𝘁𝘆𝗹𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗜 𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗶𝗲𝘄𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝘁 𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗹 𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗮𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗺𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗜 𝗸𝗲𝗽𝘁 𝗮𝘀𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗵𝗶𝗺 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲 𝗴𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗺𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗹 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝘀𝘁𝘆𝗹𝗲𝘀.”
(narrated by al-Bukhari, 3047; Muslim, 819)
Secondly, what is meant by styles (ahruf, sing. harf)?
The best of the scholarly opinions concerning what is meant is that there are seven ways of reciting the Qur’an, where the wording may differ but the meaning is the same; if there is a different meaning then it is by way of variations on a theme, not opposing and contradiction.
Thirdly:
Some of the scholars said that what was meant by ahruf was the dialects of the Arabs, but this is far-fetched, because of the hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab who said: “I heard Hisham ibn Hakeem reciting Surat al-Furqan in a manner different from that in which I used to recite it and the way in which the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught me to recite it. I was about to argue with him whilst he was praying, but I waited until he finished his prayer, and then I tied his garment around his neck and seized him by it and brought him to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, I heard this man reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.’ The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said to him, ‘‘𝗥𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝘁,’ 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝘁 𝗮𝘀 𝗜 𝗵𝗮𝗱 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗱 𝗵𝗶𝗺 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝘁. 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗠𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗲𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝗔𝗹𝗹𝗮𝗵 (𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗯𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗔𝗹𝗹𝗮𝗵 𝗯𝗲 𝘂𝗽𝗼𝗻 𝗵𝗶𝗺) 𝘀𝗮𝗶𝗱, ‘𝗜𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀.’ 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗮𝗶𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗲, ‘𝗥𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝘁,’ 𝘀𝗼 𝗜 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗮𝗶𝗱, ‘𝗜𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀.’ 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗤𝘂𝗿'𝗮𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝘀𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝗱𝗶𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘆𝘀, 𝘀𝗼 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝘁 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗮𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗶𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘆𝗼𝘂.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhari, 2287; Muslim, 818)
It is known that Hisham was Asadi Qurashi (i.e., from the clan of Bani Asad in Quraysh) and ‘Umar was ‘Adawi Qurashi (i.e., from the clan of Bani ‘Adiyy in Quraysh). Both of them were from Quraysh and Quraysh had only one dialect. If the difference in ahruf (styles) had been a difference in dialects, why would two men of Quraysh have been different?
The scholars mentioned nearly forty different opinions concerning this matter! Perhaps the most correct is that which we have mentioned above. And Allah knows best.
Fourthly:
It seems that the seven styles were revealed with different wordings, as indicated by the hadith of ‘Umar, because ‘Umar’s objection was to the style, not the meaning. The differences between these styles are not the matter of contradiction and opposition, rather they are synonymous, as Ibn Mas’ud said: “It is like one of you saying halumma, aqbil or ta’aal (all different ways of saying ‘Come here’).”
Fifthly:
With regard to the seven recitations (al-Qira’at al-saba’), this number is not based on the Qur’an and Sunnah, rather it is the ijtihaad of Ibn Mujaahid (may Allah have mercy on him). People thought that al-ahruf al-saba’ (the seven styles) were al-qira’at al-saba’ (the seven recitations) because they happened to be the same number. But this number may have come about coincidentally, or it may have been done deliberately by Ibn Mujahid to match what was narrated about the number of styles (ahruf) being seven. Some people thought that the styles (ahruf) were the recitations, but this is a mistake. No such comment is known among the scholars. The seven recitations are one of the seven styles, and this is the style that ‘Uthman chose for all the Muslims.
Sixthly:
When ‘Uthman made copies of the Qur’an, he did so according to one style (harf), but he omitted the dots and vowel points so that some other styles could also be accommodated. So the Mus-haf that was copied in his time could be read according to other styles, and whatever styles were accommodated by the Mus-haf of ‘Uthman remained in use, and the styles that could not be accommodated fell into disuse. The people had started to criticize one another for reciting differently, so ‘Uthman united them by giving them one style of the Qur’an.
Seventhly:
Your saying that Mujahid’s different recitations meant the seven styles (ahruf) is not correct, as was said by Shaykh al-Islam ibn Taymiyyah. (Majmoo’ah al-Fatawa, vol. 13, p. 210)
Eighthly:
The seven readers or reciters were:
1-Nafi’ al-Madani
2-Ibn Kathir al-Makki
3-‘Aasim al-Kufi
4-Hamzah al-Zayat al-Kufi
5-Al-Kisa’i al-Kufi
6-Abu ‘Amr ibn al-‘Ala’ al-Basri
7-‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Aamir al-Shami
The ones who have the strongest isnaad in recitation are Nafi’ and ‘Aasim.
The most eloquent are Abu ‘Amr and al-Kisa’i.
Warsh and Qalun narrated from Nafi’.
Hafs and Shu’bah narrated from ‘Aasim.
And Allah knows best.
@@vip-cv7iq
thank you
but
if you look at the earliest books dedicated completely to Quranic riwayat, like al Fada'il al Qur'an of Abu Ubayd,
these hadiths of seven ahruf don't exist.
if you read fada'il al quran you would realise how extremely unusual it is for Abu Ubayd to have not included such a hadith especially if it met the standards of bukhari
because of this
it is most likely the ahruf hadith was made up in my opinion but allah knows best
and another observation is notice how in the very early book by the salaf, the hadithconnections are all "'an" but then everything becomes
"Hadathanaa" a few centuries later
itjust invokes doubt
*what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*
one quran says "you", another says "I".
Dawah script: "they are different accents" 🤣🤣🤣
And every country with Islam in it is in conflict.
It gets worse…
Ibn Abbas said:
"If parts of the Quran are lost, then complete it with poetry."
Oops
REFERENCE:
Fath Al-Bari, Volume 13, Page 437, In Hajar Al-Asqalani
Grade: Hasan
Soooo… just make it up as you go along as an Abdul, and put an Azan tune to it.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pidBUT It's not Music, as music is Haram... It just sounds like music 🙃🤭
this sounds fake
give me the original arabic text so that I can search for it
i went exactly to volume 13 page 437 and its not there. here is the arabic text of what you referenced:
"خَلْقًا إِلَّا هَذَا انْتَهَى وَقَدْ مَضَى فِي تَفْسِيرِ سُورَةِ ق مِنْ طَرِيقِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ سِيرِينَ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ يُقَالُ لِجَهَنَّمَ هَلِ امْتَلَأْتِ وَتَقُولُ هَلْ مِنْ مَزِيدٍ فَيَضَعُ الرَّبُّ عَلَيْهَا قَدَمَهُ فَتَقُولُ قَطْ قَطْ وَمِنْ طَرِيقِ هَمَّامٍ بِلَفْظِ فَأَمَّا النَّارُ فَلَا تَمْتَلِئُ حَتَّى يَضَعَ رِجْلَهُ فَتَقُولُ قَطْ قَطْ فَهُنَاكَ تَمْتَلِئُ وَيَزْوِي بَعْضُهَا إِلَى بَعْضٍ وَلَا يَظْلِمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ خَلْقِهِ أَحَدًا وَتَقَدَّمَ هُنَاكَ بَيَانُ اخْتِلَافِهِمْ فِي الْمُرَادِ بِالْقَدَمِ مُسْتَوْفًى وَأَجَابَ عِيَاضٌ بِأَنَّ أَحَدَ مَا قِيلَ فِي تَأْوِيلِ الْقَدَمِ أَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ تَقَدَّمَ فِي عِلْمِ اللَّهِ أَنَّهُ يَخْلُقُهُمْ قَالَ فَهَذَا مُطَابِقٌ لِلْإِنْشَاءِ وَذِكْرُ الْقَدَمِ بَعْدَ الْإِنْشَاءِ يُرَجِّحُ أَنْ يَكُونَا مُتَغَايِرَيْنِ وَعَنِ الْمُهَلَّبِ قَالَ فِي هَذِهِ الزِّيَادَةِ حُجَّةٌ لِأَهْلِ السُّنَّةِ فِي قَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّ لِلَّهِ أَنْ يُعَذِّبَ مَنْ لَمْ يُكَلِّفُهُ لِعِبَادَتِهِ فِي الدُّنْيَا لِأَنَّ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ مِلْكُهُ فَلَوْ عَذَّبَهُمْ لَكَانَ غَيْرَ ظَالِمٍ انْتَهَى وَأَهْلُ السُّنَّةِ إِنَّمَا تَمَسَّكُوا فِي ذَلِكَ بقوله تَعَالَى لَا يسئل عَمَّا يفعل وَيفْعل مَا يَشَاء وَغَيْرِ ذَلِكَ وَهُوَ عِنْدَهُمْ مِنْ جِهَةِ الْجَوَازِ وَأَمَّا الْوُقُوعُ فَفِيهِ نَظَرٌ وَلَيْسَ فِي الْحَدِيثِ حُجَّةٌ لِلِاخْتِلَافِ فِي لَفْظِهِ وَلِقَبُولِهِ التَّأْوِيلَ وَقَدْ قَالَ جَمَاعَةٌ مِنَ الْأَئِمَّةِ إِنَّ هَذَا الْمَوْضِعَ مقلوب وَجزم بن الْقَيِّمِ بِأَنَّهُ غَلَطٌ وَاحْتَجَّ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ تَعَالَى أَخْبَرَ بِأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ تَمْتَلِئُ مِنْ إِبْلِيسَ وَأَتْبَاعِهِ وَكَذَا أَنْكَرَ الرِّوَايَةَ شَيْخُنَا الْبُلْقِينِيُّ وَاحْتَجَّ بِقَوْلِهِ وَلَا يظلم رَبك أحدا ثُمَّ قَالَ وَحَمْلُهُ عَلَى أَحْجَارٍ تُلْقَى فِي النَّارِ أَقْرَبُ مِنْ حَمْلِهِ عَلَى ذِي رُوحٍ يُعَذَّبُ بِغَيْرِ ذَنْبٍ انْتَهَى وَيُمْكِنُ الْتِزَامُ أَنْ يَكُونُوا مِنْ ذَوِي الْأَرْوَاحِ وَلَكِنْ لَا يُعَذَّبُونَ كَمَا فِي الْخَزَنَةِ وَيَحْتَمِلُ أَنْ يُرَادَ بِالْإِنْشَاءِ ابْتِدَاءُ إِدْخَالِ الْكُفَّارَ النَّارَ وَعَبَّرَ عَنِ ابْتِدَاءِ الْإِدْخَالِ بِالْإِنْشَاءِ فَهُوَ إِنْشَاءُ الْإِدْخَالِ لَا الْإِنْشَاءُ بِمَعْنَى ابْتِدَاءِ الْخَلْقِ بِدَلِيلِ قَوْلِهِ فَيُلْقَوْنَ فِيهَا وَتَقُولُ هَلْ مِنْ مَزِيدٍ وَأَعَادَهَا ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ حَتَّى يَضَعَ فِيهَا قَدَمَهُ فَحِينَئِذٍ تَمْتَلِئُ فَالَّذِي يَمْلَؤُهَا حَتَّى تَقُولَ حَسْبِي هُوَ الْقَدَمُ كَمَا هُوَ صَرِيحُ الْخَبَرِ وَتَأْوِيلُ الْقَدَمِ قد تقدم وَالله أعلم وَقد أيد بن أَبِي جَمْرَةَ حَمْلَهُ عَلَى غَيْرِ ظَاهِرِهِ بِقَوْلِهِ تَعَالَى كَلَّا إِنَّهُمْ عَنْ رَبِّهِمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ لَمَحْجُوبُونَ إِذْ لَوْ كَانَ عَلَى ظَاهِرِهِ لَكَانَ أَهْلُ النَّارِ فِي نَعِيمِ الْمُشَاهَدَةِ كَمَا يَتَنَعَّمُ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ بِرُؤْيَةِ رَبِّهِمْ لِأَنَّ مُشَاهَدَةَ الْحَقِّ لَا يَكُونُ مَعَهَا عَذَابٌ وَقَالَ عِيَاضٌ يَحْتَمِلُ أَنْ يَكُونَ مَعْنَى قَوْلِهِ عِنْدَ ذِكْرِ الْجَنَّةِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَظْلِمُ مِنْ خَلْقِهِ أَحَدًا أَنَّهُ يُعَذِّبُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ غَيْرُ ظَالِمٍ لَهُ كَمَا قَالَ أُعَذِّبُ بِكِ مَنْ أَشَاءُ وَيَحْتَمِلُ أَنْ يَكُونَ رَاجِعًا إِلَى تَخَاصُمِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ وَالنَّارِ فَإِنَّ الَّذِي جَعَلَ لِكُلٍّ مِنْهُمَا عَدْلٌ وَحِكْمَةٌ وَبِاسْتِحْقَاقِ كُلٍّ مِنْهُمْ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يَظْلِمَ أَحَدًا وَقَالَ غَيْرُهُ يَحْتَمِلُ أَنْ يَكُونَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى سَبِيلِ التَّلْمِيحِ بِقَوْلِهِ تَعَالَى إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ إِنَّا لَا نُضِيعُ أَجْرَ مَنْ أَحْسَنَ عَمَلًا فَعَبَّرَ عَنْ تَرْكِ تَضْيِيعِ الْأَجْرِ بِتَرْكِ الظُّلْمِ وَالْمُرَادُ أَنَّهُ يُدْخِلُ مَنْ أَحْسَنَ الْجَنَّةَ الَّتِي وَعَدَ الْمُتَّقِينَ بِرَحْمَتِهِ وَقَدْ قَالَ لِلْجَنَّةِ أَنْتِ رَحْمَتِي وَقَالَ إِنَّ رَحْمَةَ اللَّهِ قَرِيبٌ مِنَ الْمُحْسِنِينَ وَبِهَذَا تَظْهَرُ مُنَاسَبَةُ الْحَدِيثِ لِلتَّرْجَمَةِ وَالْعِلْمُ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى وَفِي الْحَدِيثِ دَلَالَةٌ عَلَى اتِّسَاعِ الْجَنَّةِ وَالنَّارِ بِحَيْثُ تَسَعُ كُلَّ مَنْ كَانَ وَمَنْ يَكُونُ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَتَحْتَاجُ إِلَى زِيَادَةٍ وَقَدْ تَقَدَّمَ فِي آخِرِ الرِّقَاقِ أَنَّ آخِرَ مَنْ يَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ يُعْطَى مِثْلَ الدُّنْيَا عشرَة أَمْثَالِهَا وَقَالَ الدَّاوُدِيُّ يُؤْخَذُ مِنَ الْحَدِيثِ أَنَّ الْأَشْيَاءَ تُوصَفُ بِغَالِبِهَا لِأَنَّ الْجَنَّةَ قَدْ يَدْخُلُهَا غَيْرُ الضُّعَفَاءِ وَالنَّارُ قَدْ يَدْخُلُهَا غَيْرُ الْمُتَكَبِّرِينَ وَفِيهِ رَدٌّ عَلَى مَنْ حَمَلَ قَوْلَ النَّارِ هَل من مزِيد عَلَى أَنَّهُ اسْتِفْهَامُ إِنْكَارٍ وَأَنَّهَا لَا تَحْتَاجُ إِلَى زِيَادَةٍ الْحَدِيثُ الثَّالِثُ حَدِيثُ أَنَسٍ قَوْلُهُ سَفْعٌ بِفَتْحِ الْمُهْمَلَةِ وَسُكُونِ الْفَاءِ ثُمَّ مُهْمَلَةٍ هُوَ أَثَرُ تَغَيُّرِ الْبَشَرَةِ فَيَبْقَى فِيهَا بَعْضُ سَوَادٍ قَوْلُهُ وَقَالَ هَمَّامٌ حَدَّثَنَا قَتَادَةُ حَدَّثَنَا أَنَسٌ تَقَدَّمَ مَوْصُولًا فِي كِتَابِ الرِّقَاقِ مَعَ شَرْحِهِ وَأَرَادَ بِهِ هُنَا أَنَّ الْعَنْعَنَةَ الَّتِي فِي طَرِيقِ هِشَامٍ مَحْمُولَةٌ عَلَى السَّمَاعِ بِدَلِيلِ رِوَايَة همام وَالله أعلم"
it doesn't even mention ibn abbas you dumb liar
@@MaalikFaun PDF or original book?
Very well explained, highly insightful. Would be great if you could present some examples of the variants and the significance of their differences. Looking forward to your next video.
one quran says "you", another says "I".
Dawah script: "they are different accents" 🤣🤣🤣
the sura 37.12 has a difference in meaning in some of the qurans. For example, hafs version is different in meaning from the khalaf version.
Hafs says "you (muhummud) wonder", while khalaf version says "I (allah) wonder". Which is the correct quran?
Yasir Qadhi is the most honest of them... Still not total truth.
TY for your wonderful content, your irony is priceless and your channel spreads knowledge that is needed.
Dr. Shabir Ally also is fairly honest (now) about the preservation and manuscripts.
Donkey😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was so unexpected but befitting. 😂😂😂
i know right?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
walahi
Oh Bless….just love your attention to detail and truth with a delightful tongue in cheek delivery….❤️❤️❤️❤️
Nice summary at 14:30, with a useful quote from IC !
Love from Afghanistan.
Very bloody vers of Quran is chapter divors 4.
The world ladies must pay attention to it.
God bless Afghanistan 🙏
How is life there now?
Excellent teaching once more… thank you so much sir.
Once upon a time there was a book called Quran
@mysotiras0187 You are right ,but a tale is a tale
Original claim: The Quran has been perfectly PRESERVED from the time of Muhammad word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot.
Actual claim: The Qurah has been perfectly PERVERSED from the time of Muhammad word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot.
Colin dropping bombs as usual. Good job!
Sheik Masif Ears.... dude you actually killed me with that...
This Sheikh forgot about the Haff's version, Duri's version, Warsh, Qalun, Hisham al Susi, Abi Jaffer, Sub'ha, Khalid etc These are NOT version but they are Arabic Quran Abdul
If their Sheikh are uneducated, how do you talk about their followers???
"One of Islam's biggest enemies...truth" 😂
"And here is another donkey..."
I've heard of tawatur in Ireland, as in "are you going tawatur the garden, the plants look thirsty?" Good job, Colin!
Dear Muslims: Be honest to yourselves and don’t shoot the messenger. If you disagree with Islam Critiqued, do your own research and explain why there are differences between the Arabic manuscripts in the various museums around the world and the differences between the Arabic Qurans in Africa and in the Middle East.
PERFECT PRESERVATION DEBUNKED 😅 ONE QURAN DEBUNKED 😅😅 MIRACLES DEBUNKED 😅😅😅 MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE DEBUNKED 😅😅😅😅
Muslims refer to different bible translations being different.
But there are differences in quranic translations too.
As there should be....that's the point of translations....there are different valid approaches. And the target languages change over time requiring updated translations....again, this is one of the most idiotic things they say.
@@IslamCritiqued I got a reply from Islam Critiqued.
My week has been made
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Two weeks have been made now! haha
Contradictions and holes in the narrative. That's what the "perfect" quran is.
As perfectly perversed as a child with dolls in the tent of the Holey Prophet
Thanks
Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!
I'm not a Christian, but I have not heard of any of the original Greek NT texts being changed every couple of years. These texts are continuously translated as are Qurans, which get updated translations.
Yes, and languages change. It's the job of translators to give accurate, descriptive translations in the target language. Linguists are not prescriptive. As such, as languages continue to change, so will translations. That's a good thing.
Quran also has 30 different versions.
2:13
Interesting.
5:31
Perfect note.
7:57
Great.
14:31
Good video.
Nice! Where did you get that awesome chart with Hafs, Shuba, etc?
If you email me I'll send it
@@IslamCritiqued Literally just sent! Thanks!
@@IslamCritiquedHey, can you send me one too?
5:18 lmao cracked up when said donkey
I very much enjoyed the famous (holes in the narrative) discussion between Dr. Y. Qadhi and Muhammad Hijab. However, what would be even more amazing to see is a discussion between Dr. Y. Qadhi and Dr. S. Nasser!
Qadhi simply will not debate with anyone, and would be particularly wary of debating anyone with knowledge. He would not even allow a 'discussion'. After the disastrous 'holes in the narrative' incident he threatened to close down all his social media accounts because of the threats he received from other members of the 'religion of piece(s)'. Can you imagine him on a public platform where someone shows his old video of him saying that all qurans are identical to the dot, and then his recent video where he says there are different arabic qurans with different letters and words?
@@toddbeamer6131 I completely agree. These guys just love to preach to uninformed people and are scared to cast doubt, hence scared to engage in an honest academic discussion.
"The Standard Narrative has HOLES"
Nice 👍.
Current system is helping you with your truth.
Hopefully your electrical equipments are firmly grounded.
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Your favourite clip cracked me up!! 😂😂😂
GODBLESS.
Great job man
2:10 Their lie is so fluent! They have multiple English translations but they don't count them as "versions." However, somehow it becomes "versions" when it comes to English translations of the Bible. 😅
where is the original one then?do you learn it,read it,memorize it?
@@puch9830 5. The Quran was not preserved perfectly.
5-1. You do not have the original Quran, which is a compilation of bark, leaves, leather, and stones that Zayd bin Thabit collected.
5-2. Many people who memorized the Quran died during the war.
5-3. People fought and even killed each other because of different recitations.
5-4. When Zayd compiled the Quran, there were two verses that only one man remembered. But the Quran teaches that you need at least two men for valid testimony.
5-5. Ibn Masud didn't like the Quran which was compiled by Zayd and even said, "It is deceitful."
5-6. Aysha reported that there were more than 200 verses in Surah 33, but now you have only 73 verses.
5-7. Zayd compiled "one" version, but you have "seven" Qiraats and even more versions of the Quran that read and mean differently. Even though you do not believe in any Hadith narration above, this fact can solely disprove the perfect preservation of the Quran because nowhere in the Quran says about dialects.
5-8. If the Quran is preserved by memorization and recitation, shouldn't Zayd, Ibn Masud, or other companions remember the whole Quran without asking other people, without looking for written materials, without disagreeing with each other? Even the closest companions of Muhammad didn't memorize the Quran perfectly.
"... Change a thousand versions to a thousand virgins and Muslims wouldn't have a problem at all" comment is golden.
Very SHARP explanation...
Haven't you done this video already? Like, multiple times?
Variations of it. Takes some time to penetrate the echo chamber.
The Quran has about 50 translations of which 6 are revered by Muslims.
Yeah!! Yassir Quadi!!
*"WITHOUT THE LIES......ISLAM DIES!"* 😂🤣😂
Indeed, one muslim here in indonesia (layman I guess, knew him from youtube comment) said that those who said letter for letter preservation are the one mocking Islam, because apparently, muslims knew that there were always been 7 versions..... I didn't know though if he thought about the ahruf or qiraat, cause there are 7 or 10 qiraat, depending of who you believe (7 Ibn Mujahid, 10 Al Jazari)
Those at the level of sheikh and above would have known, but they all lied in order to win converts. Their claim was 'perfect preservation' that represented a divine miracle, and therefore proved islam is true. Now they cannot get away with that lie in the West, but maintain it wherever there is a population unable to check the facts. The entire cult is lies wrapped in threats.
Oh....they've always known this have they. At the academic level, yes. But at the level of the apologists and masses.....not a chance.
@@IslamCritiqued
yes, and that should make you wonder, why knowledge in academics apparently didn't convey to the laymans
NOR do the academics dare to correct the layman (Guess what happened with holes in the narrative interview)
however, nowadays it's becoming more popular nowadays, though they will said the different reading is only different dialect aka the way you pronounce something, that's incorrect, but we knew it took years if not centuries for them to get things right
It's interesting to see what claims their apologists have made when left unchecked for so long...
@@IslamCritiqued ah one suggestion, apart from Shady Nasser, who is a scholar and from academic world (though I have no idea whether he is a muslim or not, but it's clear he was not a critic of Islam and also not christian evangelist), maybe you can use Fadel Soliman book, the bridges translation of 10 noble qiraat, (I forget the exact title), he is muslim and his book SHOULDN'T make muslims angry or anything, cause like, it's one one their own making that book with so many footnotes telling this reading said this, that reading said that etc etc
conclusion --> Shady Nasser's book talked about the process, Fadel Soliman's book talked about the result
Let's not forget the date of the oldest known printing of a quran, hudreds of years after the death of the Mohamad.
Islam is like JW, constantly changes when exposed
Without lies,Islam dies.
Well .. I must say that the imam resembling Dumbledore spoke good English.
Even with the so called preservation
It's the most horrible book I've ever read.
Wait a minute.... Sheikh... Masif...Ears??
Different version of the Bible or is that different translation?
Quran & Bible are changed.
Different translations.
The Muslims forget that the qurap has also been translated multiple times
@@daduzadude1547 no it's worse they had variants at even the beginning of their religion but decided to use words like abrogated and such as a excuse
Bearded shaykh was lying, calling Bible translations "different versions", conveniently forgetting to mention the many variant translations of the Qurans.
@@rajathmayurk.h.6125The are several manuscripts of the Bible, with variants, but it shows that it has been preserved not changed!!
Without lies, Islam dies
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👕👍 *If a ANIMAL eat Koran Verses how can it be preserved?* 🐐
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Preserved as animal waste - the perfect preservation!!
3:40 If truth is your biggest enemy, you're in alot of trouble
Just take whatever they say
Thats it , no questions ask 😂
Embarrassing how these abduls create a strawman and attack it, then gain victory attacking a STRAWMAN, and that makes pislame victorious...sad...
Apparently Muslims have the belief that people have a natural disposition or innate inclination towards goodness, rather than have a Brielle in original sin.
How does this come into play with all the disagreements between Muslims and Christian’s.
The Muslim dude needs to be informed. Different “translations “ no “versions”… no the same. We had thousands of manuscripts to prove it.
Speaking of Dr Nasser, he has created a resource that shows all the variance between the different reading. It is in Arabic but you can select whether to show all or the seven or the ten or the fourteen or the Shia and many other tools.
You can find it by going to erquran then the domain that is short for organisation.
Or just Google evq quran.
@@Tony-zh1kz Right on. More Muslims and Christians need to become aware of this resource.
Hello my friend so basically I don’t really understand Deuteronomy 4:16-23. So basically does bending down to status is act of worship and why do we do it in the church? Second question is why do we make images or status of men or women because according to that verse it says to do the opposite. And yeah that’s it I just wanted some explanation thank you !! Have a wonderful day!!
Have any commentaries you could check?
@@IslamCritiqued I have checked I can’t find any :/ I’m not really good searching these stuff sorry
Bowing down can have several functions. It can simply be a respectful gesture. Statues in the ancient near east had almost exclusively theological purposes. Today artists make them for completely different reasons, though of course idols still exist as well.
@@IslamCritiqued thank you so much !!!!! And can I please know why we make images and status if the verse says to not make these things thank you so much :)
@@LenlenT Deuteronomy 4:24 gives the conclusion of 4:16-23. " For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God." It took more effort to get Egypt out of the children of Israel than for God to get the children of Israel out of Egypt. These verses are referring back to Egypt where people worshiped these idols made by man. Don't forget the children of Israel did build the ark which had two images of angels. Of course they were not to worship the angels but the glory of God who were between to two angels. Context is most important.
To make it more practical term for today it's very possible a person could actually worship a car made by man's hands more than those in church bending down to a statue of a saint.
I much prefer to stay away from statues altogether simply because people may assume you are worshiping the saints which could be a stumbling block for some.
One big MESS
Long live Imam IC - keep issuing fatwas bro Colin !! As yasir qadhri says - The standard narratives has holes aka its all lies !😂😂
they call it diffrent dialect. Yet words and verses missing
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Yoh!
I think the Egyptian writing of their gods were preserve word for word, letter for letter from before Muhammad invented Islam.😂
3:50 it's as you say different reading not book even the Quran in university that pre date to the time of the prophets they claim its the same as today
Islam apparently has merit when compared to distorted views of other religions. This shows how weak they are in their faith.
Perfect Quran, never.when the content is full of fabrications
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😂😂😂😂 you're amazing
Can u imagine when u know nothing but U tried ur best to embarrass urself
Stay far from pizzlam eat pizza instead
NKJV Vejin 😂😂😂
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Why all the name calling, it’s unnecessary 😕
Very mild for what such blatant liars deserve.
@@IslamCritiqued honestly, we all deserve much worse, but why can’t we be better than them? I get it, when they threaten to rape peoples wives and death threats (like Muhammad Hijab did) we shouldn’t accept it, but you have a good point in this video and it would be a shame if a non crazy Muslim were to reject it due to the name calling 😕
Give recording of deviances in recital during prayers at the mosque.
Less talk about theories and more field work man.
You think that’s a good response?
@@IslamCritiqued Isnt that more meaningful and convincing?
You have got to be joking. You're saying to look at the final result of what the boundaries of orthodoxy and tradition have established as if that's of any interest for how we got there. That's the question. With all of the variants, how were the seven/ten/14 selected, and what can we say about those respective lines of transmission, what can we say about the excluded and anomalous readings...etc. And why this perfect preservation lie? Why did so many people allow that lie to persist? And why are they allowing the same lie now with all of the canonical readings?
According to orientalist scholars (meaning non-Muslim scholars) the Quran is absolutely preserved.
In "The Cambridge Companion to the Qur'ān" by Jane Dammen McAuliffe, Angelika Neuwirth says,
"New findings of Quranic text fragments, moreover, can be adduced to affirm rather than call into question the traditional picture of the Quran as an early fixed text composed of the s¯uras we have" (p. 100)
According to Dr. Joseph Lumbard in an interview,
"As more and more manuscripts have become available, we have been able to confirm with greater and greater accuracy, scientifically, as empirically as one can, that the story that the Muslims have of the compilation of the Quran is, for the most part, accurate"
Carl W. Ernst confirms this by saying it is a better explanation of the data that is available to us than any other theory that anyone has proposed.
William Muir wrote,
"There is probably, in the world, no other work which has remained for twelve centuries with so pure a text."
Kenneth Cragg wrote,
"The Quran as it stood in Othman's recension omits no significant (information) and includes no extraneous material. The Prophet's death had decisively closed the book."
John Burton said,
“the text which has come down to us in the form in which it was organized and approved by the Prophet [...]. What we have today in our hands is the Muṣḥaf of Muhammad.”
Denise Masson,
“Eventually, in spite of these points of debate, we can say that the text presently in our possession contains the criteria of a substantial fidelity.”
And so on and so on. The Quran is actually one of the most attested to books in history. You don't see that because you're brainwashed by Christian apologetics. They're the only ones who claim the Quran isn't preserved. Real scholars confirm it is, both Muslim and non-Muslim.
As for the different ahruf, or modes of the Quran, it's interesting to see how well you misrepresent the information. Let me clear it up for you. Now first of all, there is ONE Quran. This Quran was revealed in 7 different modes (ahruf ) to accommodate different dialects of some of the more prominent Arabs at the time. Furthermore, every single one of these modes can be traced back to the Prophet PBUH himself.
Secondly, these 7 different modes can be used interchangeably, and from these 7, prominent scholars compiled 10 different recitations (qiraat). But anyone with sufficient knowledge can recite with any combination of these 7 different modes.
Thirdly, not a single one of the different modes (which, by extension, includes the recitations) contradicts with another. Rather, they reinforce, support, and/or enrich the reading.
Lastly, Muslims having "14 canonized Arabic Qurans" is an outright lie. Do not conflate our modes and recitations with your wildly different version of the Bible. You're "throwing stones from a glass house" so to speak.
Imam Warsh and Imam Hafs etc did not come up with their own Qurans. Rather, these ahruf, or modes, are traced back to the Prophet Muhammad PBUH. There is plenty of classical Islamic literature on this, and we have authentic reports of the Prophet PBUH affirming this. Rather than just list out a ton of Hadiths that go into this I'll offer a few:
Umar ibn al-Khattab reported: I heard Hisham ibn Hakim reciting the Surat al-Furqan in a way different from how I recited it and how it was taught to me by the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I was about to argue with him, but then I waited until he finished and I tied his shirt around his neck and took him to the Prophet. I said, “Indeed, I heard this man recite in a way different from what you taught me!” The Prophet said to me, “Bring him to me.” Then, Prophet said to him, “Recite.” He recited and the Prophet said, “As it has been revealed.” Then, the Prophet said to me, “Recite.” I recited and the Prophet said, “As it has been revealed. Verily, the Quran has been revealed in seven dialects. Recite whichever of them you find easy.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2287, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 818
Abdullah ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Gabriel, upon him be peace, taught me to recite the Quran in one reading and I requested another. I continued to ask for more until he stopped at seven readings.”
Ibn Shihab said, “It reached me that these seven readings are united in the matter. There is no difference in what they allow and forbid.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4705, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 819
This is in stark contrast to the various Bibles, Protestant, Coptic, Orthodox, Catholic, etc, with each Christian group saying their version of the Bible is the true Bible.
And we are already aware that the different readings can contain different wordings. The differences between these styles are not the matter of contradiction and opposition, rather they are synonymous, as Ibn Mas’ood said: “It is like one of you saying halumma, aqbil or ta’aal (all different ways of saying ‘Come here’).” On top of that the verbiage actually enriches the meaning of the Quran, for example in the first chapter one ahruf says malik (king) and another says maalik (owner) in regards to God in relation to the day of judgment. Not only do they not contradict, but they reinforce and enrich the meaning. This applies to the difference that you presented as well. The presence of huwa, or lack thereof, does not negatively affect the meaning of the verse. Rather, it adds another layer of richness. Surely, if you believe that even with the discrepancies in the Bible that the message is still present, then you must likewise believe the difference in this verse of the Quran results in not only the message still being present, but further enriched. And most importantly, every single one of the differences within the ahruf is traced back through authentic sources to the Prophet PBUH. What is most common today is the Qurayshi dialect, which is named after Imam Hafs, but all 7 are valid and authentic readings of the Quran. This isn't an issue, and certainly it is not a contradiction.
The only people your nonsense works on are the ignorant. You're a pathological liar and will stoop down to any level just to belie Islam. Unfortunately for you you only shame yourself.
I'm amazed you are calling him a liar when in his video he foretold of your response a week ahead of time. IC must be a true prophet.
@@smidlee7747Because he's knows the games he's playing. He's been exposed multiple times by people like Farid responds and ijaz the trini. He distorts and manipulates information to paint an inaccurate picture and people fall for it because they don't know any better.
If you think expert scholarly opinions and authentic references to Hadith are "more ridiculous and easier to debunk" then go ahead and do so.
@@__Man_ The 7 ahruf aren't a problem at all. They are the Quran as confirmed by the Prophet himself PBUH.
Umar ibn al-Khattab reported: I heard Hisham ibn Hakim reciting the Surat al-Furqan in a way different from how I recited it and how it was taught to me by the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him. I was about to argue with him, but then I waited until he finished and I tied his shirt around his neck and took him to the Prophet. I said, “Indeed, I heard this man recite in a way different from what you taught me!” The Prophet said to me, “Bring him to me.” Then, Prophet said to him, “Recite.” He recited and the Prophet said, “As it has been revealed.” Then, the Prophet said to me, “Recite.” I recited and the Prophet said, “As it has been revealed. Verily, the Quran has been revealed in seven dialects. Recite whichever of them you find easy.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2287, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 818
Abdullah ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Gabriel, upon him be peace, taught me to recite the Quran in one reading and I requested another. I continued to ask for more until he stopped at seven readings.”
Ibn Shihab said, “It reached me that these seven readings are united in the matter. There is no difference in what they allow and forbid.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4705, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 819
As for the difference in meaning, the differences between these styles are not a matter of contradiction and opposition, rather they are synonymous, as Ibn Mas’ood (a companion of The Prophet PBUH) said: “It is like one of you saying halumma, aqbil or ta’aal (all different ways of saying ‘Come here’).” On top of that the verbiage actually enriches the meaning of the Quran, for example in the first chapter one ahruf says malik (king) and another says maalik (owner) in regards to God in relation to the day of judgment. Not only do they not contradict, but they reinforce and enrich the meaning. They add another layer of richness to the Quran. And most importantly, every single one of the differences within the ahruf is traced back through authentic sources to the Prophet PBUH. What is most common today is the Qurayshi dialect, which is named after Imam Hafs, but all 7 are valid and authentic readings of the Quran. This isn't an issue, and certainly it is not evidence that the Quran has not been preserved.
Have you looked into what Uthman had burned? It wasn't done in secret. This was all done publicly. He didn't burn any Quran versions as the Quran doesn't have versions. I challenge you to show, from authentic sources, that he destroyed other versions of the Quran.
And like I said, actual Quranic scholars (not anti-Islamic apologists which regurgitate the same misinformation over and over) are in agreement that the Quran is unquestionably preserved. Be they Muslim or non-Muslim scholars of the Quran.
I hope you're joking when you say we cannot provide a shred of evidence for corruption in the Bible. Every single copyist error, of where there are many, is a corruption. Every single internal contradiction within the Bible is a corruption, of which there are also many. I can provide them if you like but I'll give you something else. Every single addition to the Bible is a corruption. I'll give you a list of fabricated verses which were added into the Bible. How do we know they were added into the Bible? Because they're absent from the earliest manuscripts and typically show up centuries later.
1. Matthew 17:21
2. Matthew 18:11
3. Matthew 23:14
4. Mark 9:44 & 9:46
5. Mark 11:26
6. Mark 15:28
7. Luke 17:36
8. John 5:3-4
9. Acts 8:37
10. Acts 15:34
11. Acts 24:6-8
12. Acts 28:29
13. Romans 16:24
14. 1 John 5:7-8
• Mark 16:9-20 also a fabrication but still available in the Bible. Unbelievable.
No disrespect intended, but I'd advise you do more research. Pray to God for guidance and he will guide you to the truth. Peace.
@@sub7se7encan you provide me with some links to farid and ijaz the trinis videos or anything?
@@SkepticalScribe3940 I sent two videos that directly respond to IC. Not sure if RUclips will allow them to go through. Let me know if they don't and I'll just send the titles instead.
I can't believe what I just watched it's feel not well research and why there no evidence that is different give us the evidence don't judge religion by its people if I judge Christianity by its people we got worst of the worst people examples Hitler, crusaders ,etc
The last bit is untrue Colin. Shady Hekmat Nasser misrepresents the views of the transmitters and the canonisers who believed that the Quran was transmitted by the reciters from the Prophet (SAW).
1. Prove it. 2. So what? There's still more than one version or the "Cur Ron"; and, regardless of which version you're reading, it's still absurd, silly, wrong, and evil. 😏😏
@@johnharrison6745 Yeah, there are different recitations of the Quran. It’s the word of God unlike those anonymous gospels you attribute to Jesus, we can attest our literature to the Prophet (SAW) and by consequence, God.
@@kelamullah1999 No; there are different VERSIONS of the "Core Ron"; and, regardless of whom you "attest" it to, it actually came-from a mentally-ill, sexually-twisted, demon-partnered con-artist/false-prophet. 😏😏
Notice how quickly he shifts from the Quran....to the Bible. So predictable. Like a robot.
@@IslamCritiqued I didn't shift, I traded insults. If you want to respond to my points, I'm willing to engage.
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And your reason for posting this is?
Yep. trolling
Can't address the video?
@@المقداد-ع2نMay Jesus guide you to Christianity.
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Perfect Preservation? Let's just make it easy. 1, 2, 3
1️⃣ This verse was in the Quran.
Sahih Muslim 1452 b
There was revealed in the Holy Qur'an ten clear sucklings, and then five clear (sucklings).
Bulugh al-Maram, Book 8, Hadith 195
In what was sent down in the Qur'an was 'ten known sucklings made marriage unlawful'. Afterwards, they were abrogated by 'five known ones.' Then, *_when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) died these words were among what was recited in the Qur'an._* [Reported by Muslim].
2️⃣ Allah *never* takes a verse away without bringing a verse like it or better
2.106 Pickthall
*_Nothing_* of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, *_but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof._*
3️⃣ Show me the verse.
Islam +2.4 billion is the fastest growing religion with an annual increase of 50 million
Mostly by breeding, coercion, and the advantage of ignorance; and, combating the spread of |slam is what channel's like this one are all about. 😏😏
Atheism is growing faster
@@TheLittleEmoji It's poison, too.
@@johnharrison6745
Not as much as Islam and Chritianity
@@TheLittleEmoji About as bad as |slam; *WAY* less than Christianity.
Quran is not human speech
Nothing will ever make the Bible uncorrupted or from God or Jesus.
We can safely say that the Qur'an has been preserved. And we can safely say, the Bibles are not preserved, and mostly contains just words of people. Matthew copied 90% of Mark and Luke, 50% of Mark. So, we know the following from that:
1) The authors are forged, unknown.
2) Matthew/Luke didn't consider Mark's Gospel as divine, hence, copied it and changed it.
3) Matthew and Luke weren't eyewitnesses, since, they copied from Mark
4) They were pagan since they copied from Mark, but, changed some words to make Jesus more divine.
Don't you mean the 7 or 10 different quran*s* were preserved? 😂
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How do you know?
What is your evidence for that?
They are many strong evidences of account attesting to the authorship of the gospel in the early century. Too many to state all. You can choose to believe otherwise. But in the end, as emphasis before your historical narrative is just one view of many hypothesis and theories on what happen in the past.
In his very early work Papias (from the early 2nd century) testified to Matthew authorship: “Matthew compiled the sayings [logia of Christ] in the Hebrew language and each interpreted them as best he could.”
The 2nd century writer Irenaeus who knew Polycarp, a student of the apostles, also testifies that the first Gospel was written by Matthew therefore demonstrating that this Matthaean authorship tradition was strongly attested to and widespread very early on. Irenaeus wrote:“Matthew published his Gospel among the Hebrews...., while Peter and Paul were preaching and founding the church in Rome.”
The early believers and Church Fathers accepted the Gospel accounts as eyewitness documents. In fact, many Church fathers wrote about the Gospels. Papias, when describing the authorship of the Gospel of Mark, said, “Mark, having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately, though not indeed in order, whatsoever he remembered of the things said or done by Christ.” In addition, Papias, Ireneaus, Origen and Jerome affirmed the authorship of Matthew’s Gospel by the tax collector described in the account, written for the Hebrews in his native dialect and translated as he was able.
The authors of the Gospels also proclaimed their authority as eyewitnesses (or as chroniclers of the eyewitnesses e.g. Luke Chapter 1). While some skeptics have attempted to disassociate the Biblical statements from the Gospel authors to refute the authorship of the Gospels, the earliest believers embraced the traditional authorship of the eyewitnesses (and we can also make good circumstantial cases for the traditional authorship). The Gospel authors (and their sources) repeatedly identified themselves as eyewitnesses:
The Gospel accounts are written as historical narratives. The life of Jesus is intertwined with historical events locating it geographically and historically. The Gospels repeatedly affirmed their own historical, eyewitness nature, mentioning key figures who served to validate the history of Jesus as eyewitnesses:
For example, William Ramsey, a British archeologist needed to read every ancient document he could get his hands on in preparation for a long project on the Roman Empire. He was initially skeptical of the usefulness of the Bible, but his field work changed his mind. In 1895 he reported that he had found Luke (also author of the book of Acts) absolutely reliable in the details of geography and structure of the various political units he described.
MATTHEW- (A.D. 37) Written by a Jew, to Jews about a Jew. Matthew is a transitional book forming a natural bridge between the Old and New Testament. If you placed any other of the gospels ahead of Matthew, the loss of continuity and clarity would be immediately apparent. This piece of the puzzle portrays Jesus Christ as the long-awaited Messiah, ‘the son of David,’ the Heir of Israel’s Throne; Christ the King (Matt. 2:2. In the book of Matthew, Christ is offering the long-awaited prophesied Kingdom (Isa.9:6-7) to the Nation Israel (Matt. 4:17 & 10:5-7). The unique term “Kingdom of Heaven” is found in Matthew 32 times and nowhere else in the New Testament. Everything in this particular gospel contributes to this central theme, the King and His Kingdom. 56% percent of Matthew’s material is in common with other gospels, while 44% is unique. Matthew has 23,684 words (KJV).
MARK- (A.D. 57-63) Mark’s gospel describes Christ as the Divine Servant who has come to serve and suffer (Mark 10:45 & Isa. 42:1), Jesus’ ministry of obedience to His Father’s will. Everything in the second gospel brings out a faithful servant’s characteristics-the percentage of material in common with other gospels is 93% and 7% unique. The shortest of the gospels 15,166 words.
LUKE- (A.D. 58-60) Luke portrays Jesus as the “Son of man” (Luke 19:10), emphasizing the humanity of the Saviour, presenting Him as the perfect, sinless man. 42% in common 58% unique. Longest of the gospels containing 25,939 words.
JOHN- (A.D. 88-90) The central theme of John’s gospel is the Deity of the Saviour (John 1:1). The fourth gospel declares Jesus as “the Son of God…” the Heavenly One come down to earth. The Son of the Father made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). Only eight percent of the material in John’s gospel is in common with the other gospels; the remaining ninety-two percent is unique! 8%-92%. John contains 19,094 words.
The four gospels’ differing accounts illustrate that every book of the Bible has a prominent and dominant theme unique to itself. Each book in the Bible has its particular purpose and place. Like the numerous pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, each book must be carefully examined to understand where it fits and how it contributes to the emerging picture. “The Bible has proper divisions, and if you don’t put those divisions in the right places, you end up in the wrong place.” Therefore, we are commanded, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Tim.2:15).
why have u gotten so mean spirited
chad Shaykh Assim make you angery ...elhamdulilah. ...
How is stating facts being angry 😂
There is precisely zero anger in this video. Projecting your own feeling perhaps?
Must make you so upset when truth just keeps destroying Islam, right, Abdul?
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@@strichard865
literally made two mistakes thats it
The trinity is three gods.🫠
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