When to upgrade your BMW RT to the newest R1250RT?
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2021
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Link to the BMW R1250RT honest review: • BMW R1250RT HONEST Review
I believe that this video about the lineup of the RTs over the last 20 years is very much needed as there are many of us wondering when the time for a change - or an upgrade - is right. Since I'm quite familiar with all the RT of the previous 20 years and have experience dealing with them, I'd like to help you make up your mind. I hope you find this video useful! My Instagram page: / thevtold
The 2021 R 1250 RT shown in the video belongs to BMW Liberty Motors dealership in Piaseczno (Warsaw), Poland and there you can test ride it: libertymotors.pl/
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I just got a 2014 RT and I couldn't even imagine getting a different bike. I love it
Had mine for 3 years. Can't imagine ever trading it in, and I've had over 20 bikes in my life.
I ride a 2010 RT.
Which is the one you show on your video when you talk about “the 2005 first modern RT”; it’s not a a 2005 model, it’s a 2010’s up to 2013.
The motor is different.
I’ve had three RT and a number of other bikes…but the RT is the best bike I’ve owned. I’ve had Goldwing’s, FJR, interceptor, HD Ultra, Triumph Sprint, etc, etc too many bikes to mention. RT is by far the best touring bike. I sold my last 2015 RT, and regretted it big time….moving to a Goldwing. I found another 2015 RT with 4K miles in Colorado, and rode it back from CO to Scottsdale, AZ. Another great ride on this awesome bike
I'm on the Fence with the RT vs the GW. Both bikes fit my needs but I understand there are electronic gremlins plaguing the newest RT. I've never experienced this but have heard others speak on it. Are you familiar with this. or are these as with most new and updated things are "Bugs" of new the new gen.
I would never pick a GoldWing over an RT between the years 2007-2022. They are in no way comparable. THe Wing is for slabbing it 90% of the time. THe RT is for all roads, including my Walmart shopping. Mountain roads are a thrill on the RT. THe super slab is also a solid ride even though the Wing is more comfortable. having owned several RT, ST bikes, i don’t fear the engineering or bugs that you may experience. BMW has been solid in fixing those things when they happen. GoldWings have also had many (electronic and mechanical) issues as well, so don’t base your decision on that factor. THe only safety failure I know of is on the GoldWing and it has been their rear brake seizure failure. That failure has dumped riders on the street and into the hospital. If i were considering a Harley, Indian or R1800 I would add the Wing into the decision but if I were considering the R1200 or 1250 RTs, those other bikes are not in the same class. You need to look into the Sport Touring category for RT competition and in that class the RT is the best touring bike for sure. I currently ride a Multistrada and a 2005 R1200ST and the next bike i want to add is a R1250RT. I really miss my R1200RT i sold two years ago.
@@mybikegarage1040 my friend rides a 2019 Goldwing and had the bike stall on him while climbing a large mountain road here in AZ. The one issue I had with the RT was with the water pump, where it would seep fluid. This issue normally rectifies itself according to the BMW blogs……..as the seal heats up and seats itself I within the pump housing. Unfortunately with my bike it had been stored for a number of years and the seals had dried out on the pump, so I had to be replaced for $700. Other than that the bike has been flawless👍
@@dcmsr5141 not familiar with any gremlins, but BMW is always good about fixing them
@@dcmsr5141I had dreamed for years about the GW. But truth be told, the trigonometry of the heap/knee/heel of GW is much more punishable than the RT. I ride with two told guys (I am 1” taller) and they complain constantly about this ergonomic issue. The fact that RT had offered since day 1 a 3 position adjustable stock seat to meet rider hight variability (for me) is one of its biggest accomplishments. I never have to add a inner tube or an aftermarket cushion to optimize my trigonometry. Germans are wise there. And for a tourer, that is Prime concern!!!
I've tried the 2005 and 2010 1200s many times, as well as all the K1600's, but it never convinced me to let go of my 1150. Now I've actually got two 1150's, one in Norway and one in South Africa. And I find the 1150 to be the most beautiful to look at as well. The modern ones look like something from a bad Marvel movie imho.
Wow, it seems like you've become really good friends with this model then. Cool!
I agree I like the 1150 the most for the classic look
How do you live in both countries?
Just got a '09 RT with 57.000km on it. Sooo happy with it! It's great and comfortable.
It's a very solid bike!
I have one RT 2016. For me is the most beautiful version. Mine has only 5k miles. Premium version plus upgrades. I’m very satisfied.
Very informative, thanks! Sticking with my 2008!
I started with a 1985 K100RT, which I purchased in the spring of 2005. My next purchase was a 3-year-old 2007 R1200RT. I traded it in for a new 2014 R1200RT. 3 years later I traded that one for a fully loaded 2016 R1200RT. In the fall of 2019, I traded for a brand new R1250RT. I have put 600,000 km over that period of time. My favourite of them all is the 2019 R1250RT. It is very quick and nimble. I have the high seat and am very comfortable. I tour 2-up with my wife on big trips. I am not going to make the trade to the 2021 model because I do not need the larger TFT screen or ACC. I map all my tours and use Garmin Basecamp to load the Navigator VI GPS. I won't be able to do this with the new integrated navigation system of the 2021.
Thanks for sharing and it looks to me like you're a proper RT fan! A loyal one too. It's interesting how you had a chance to experience those different generations changing in time. I'm glad that you're having the one that you enjoy the most now. All the best and let's see what new RTs future brings us from BMW.
"I won't be able to do this with the new integrated navigation system of the 2021.": I have a 2021 and you can import gpx tracks to the nav system very easily. This is what I do for trip planning. Not sure if Basecamp can do this, but if so that's a possibility.
Thank you for your honest and no-nonsense report. I ride a 2007 R1200RT with just over 105000 miles, still rides like new and handles great. I see no obvious reason to upgrade to the newest RT. My only worry is the final drive because of the relatively high mileage --- I will most likely get it replaced.
Thanks! Over 100k miles is certainly something - wow! After this much, of course some things will wear off but it clearly served you well and I'm happy to hear such stories. Good job maintaining the bike well as without it, the story might've been different. Cheers!
That is impressive. You here a lot of people complaining about reliability. I've always been curious about bmw in fact any of the EU bikes
Probably i already commented. But now I got r1250rt (2023) after r1200rt (2012).
What can I say. After putting 190k km on my 1200rt I got to point when I thought that it's time to change. R1200rt is very smooth and in my opinion handles little better than 1250. Could be because of extra kilos or because I got used to my old one.
What I really love about my 1250 is the horn. When I used for the first time I scared myself even more than that moron who cuted me on the road😂.
1200 is quieter than 1250.
1200 is bit smaller than 1250. You feel the difference when filtering through the traffic.
My comfort speed on 1200rt was between 100 en 150. On 1250 feels more comfortable, but uses little more fuel.
What I really like about 1250 is the adaptive cruisecontrol. It's very fluent and very helpful when you drive in a fog.
5 position of hands and but heating.
Lights are improved.
Would I trade my 1200rt if it had 100k on it? No!
Am I happy with my 1250 rt? Yes!
Started researching RT's on Monday. Put a deposit on 2021 RT-LE yesterday! Can't wait to get it, coming from 1200GS Rallye. Thanks for the videos!
All the best with your new RT then!
I have a new to me 2007 and love it, thanks for your affirmation! I almost bought a 2004 1150. I love the cruise control and the brakes!
This should be a much better choice indeed. All the best with the bike!
Thanks for the info on the RT. Mine is a 2015 gray matte with 17k miles and I love it. Waiting for the 1300 engine to update it. I also have a 2023 RS 1250 and a 2016 pure R Nine T. I love the brand. Life is a ride. Take care and ride safely.
That's quite a garage that you've got out there - nice. All the best with the bikes then!
Sold my ‘17 Multistrada 1200S and bought a ‘16 1200RT. The Multi was beautiful and thrilling to ride. I am very pleased that I made the change.
I would love a new RT but it doesn’t mean I want to get rid of my old R1100RT.
I just bought a 2024 RT. My first RT. So I got in at the latest model 👍
I'll stick with my R1150RT. Still running great! The newest ones are too much stuffed with gadgets and electronics, stuff that can all break down and isn't cheap to fix. I ride a motorcycle, not a computer.
I get your point. Some of the additional features can be cool, useful and directly helpful. R1150RT lacks one thing that I now find an extremely important safety feature - that's traction control. If you have a chance and still enjoy your R1150RT, perhaps you'd be interested in trying the first R1200RT. I feel it's quite similar yet better in every dimension. I believe it's significantly more technologically advanced which you may not like, however sometimes certain benefits outweigh the potential risks. All the best with the RTs!
@@VToldsMotoShow Agreed! Moving from an 1150 to the 1200 Camhead is a nice step into the modern era of RT's, without the additional weight and complexity of the water-cooled bikes that followed. Having ridden them all and owned 4, the 2010-2013 Camheads are easily the best! I found a 2011 with low mileage and feel absolutely no need to "upgrade". The best all round RT I have owned!
Very nice comparison rundown. Thank you
My pleasure. Cheers!
Very useful. Ive had the R1100RT, R1200RT and have just Ordered the R1250RT 2024....................so this was a very logical summary for me. Thank you. I will make a comment. The reliability of these bikes has been phenomenal.
Mine is 2013 Air cooled R1200RT. Rather than upgrading to the newer model I am going to spend some money on getting YSS custom tuned suspension as I don't feel like the ESA is as comfortable as I would like it to be and can be improved upon.
I’ve had the 2005 model then 2010 then the 2015 and loved each one at the time. In 2020 I moved onto a K1600 gtl but I’m now looking at returning to a 2021 RT I just think they are by far one of the best bikes out there. They can do everything
I fully agree. They are nimble enough in traffic and really good on the open road rain or shine
There've got to be reasons for police forces worldwide willing to ride the RT bikes and no others usually.
Interesting video.
You didn’t mention the 2020 RT …was there a reason for that ?
I’ve just changed from R1200 RT LE 2017 had 61000 on clock .
Pick up the replacement bike in couple of weeks .
It’s a 2020 R1250 RT LE non tft ( not my cup of tea) , like the old school clocks .
I drive honda st1300,can you tell me the big difference between my honda and tbe rt 1250?..
Just swapped out my 2017 R1200RS for a 2017 R1200RT and couldn't be happier. At 5'6" with a 30" in-seam I can flat foot the RT where the RS felt taller and tge riding position killed my hands and back after 6 hours in the saddle. The heated seats are superb in recent cold 🥶 weather.
After 6 hours of riding, yeah, a lot can be sore but I can imagine the difference between RS and RT in such circumstances. I'm glad you're enjoying the new bike more then!
Hi everyone, great video!
I'm thinking of buying an RT, with a budget that doesn't allow me to aspire to the 1250. Quality/price which model do you recommend? I was thinking of a 2014 even if with 80/90,000 km..
thanks to those who reply!
My 05 rt1200 with 31k miles is fine for my needs and budget. It handles great and carries loads in the panniers and top-box. There are a few design weaknesses like having to split the bike to get at the clutch but overall it's a sound design.
It's nice to hear that you're enjoying your RT. It definitely can be an ultimate go-to motorcycle for many of us. All the best with it and hopefully you won't have to access the clutch too often - if you meant servicing/maintenance reasons.
Thank you for your comprehensive report. I currently own a 2004 K1200gt (old classic look), and a 2017 RT (CPU reflashed to 137 HP). Very happy with them. I know the 2021 RT is better, but to replace it I have to spend quite a bit of money for more power, nicer Dash, and the Optimus Prime front look (which I also like). Eventually I might.
I guess that indeed 2017 and 2021 are really so close that it might make sense to wait for a yet another refresh and see what BMW comes up with. When a new GS will come, it might have some nice new features that then may land in an RT. That could sound like a good moment to think about a replacement and seeing more differences.
I hope you see my question from this older video. Do you think they will be coming out with a 2023 R1300 RT to replace the R1250? The same engine that very possibly will be on the new GS Adventure model? Getting the new RT in my part of the United States has been very difficult. When they come in their already spoken for.
What we know for now is that there haven't been any spectacular rumours about a next RT coming in 2023. On the other hand, this may mean nothing just as well and indicate nothing therefore. We've seen some spy shots likely of a new GS coming and it there are any powertrain changes, likely BMW would want to incorporate them in an RT too. Until we see the GS and what new features it brings, it might be hard to speculate about RT. However, RT had its latest redesign after anything significant changes done to a GS, so if we'd take this pattern into consideration, an RT should come later - in whatever form BMW is planning to refresh it (if at all in the nearest feature). I hope this helps you in any way.
I have a 05 with about 36K miles, purchased used with 2K in 06. Don't do much real touring, but now that I am retired, I am considering some longer trips. Biggest reason for considering the change for me, concerns on reliability. I recently had trouble with the "whizzy" abs brakes, converted to standard non-abs because of the exhorbitant cost and time to get it repaired. Both throttle bodies had cracked and splitting plastic cable cams, did the replacements myself. I purchased a new fuel pump controller as a carry along, since I know they can be an issue. Still on the original fuel level strip, final drive, and the early version ESA is still working, although the rear shock damping is not what it used to be. Maybe I read too much in the forums, but so far I have had issues with many of the things talked about.
Thanks for sharing and I too believe that with time certain things of a machine will start failing. When? No one knows, so better to be prepared at all times. The real difference is having a warranty in a new bike and not having it in an older one. If you feel that you're thinking about "what next will go wrong?", then perhaps it would make a lot of sense to update the bike. Now, if one with no warranty - you're kind of in the same spot again. New or newer with a warranty? If other features and updates are worth the money in your opinion, then you may have the solution. It may make sense to pay for additional stuff instead of for replacing the old stuff.
Hello, I ride GS1100 since 2001 and I think it is a great bike, simple, reliable and easy not expensive to maintenance. I'm looking to RT1200 air oil cooling model 2006 or last 2013 with double shaft. Can you give me your feedback of these two models? Many thanks 😊
1150 rt is nog zonder alle tirlanteintjes en rijd ook . is dat 1250 rt allemaal nodig om motor te rijden
I have a 1150 rt think if change it will be 1200 rt model 2014 .
The 1150 isnt that economic
Every new model comes with the promise of smoother, quicker, etc. My R1100 was even "flickable" :) Time to get a new one when the old one doesn't do what it needs to do. I still enjoy the R1100 for it's simplicity, easy maintenance, and low operation costs - something the new bikes don't advertise.
Very nicely said!
I love my 2000 R1100RT, I find it more maneuverable than my 2020RT, don't really need the extra power but like the electronics don't like the more complicated servicing
I would keep an RT1100/1150 and save £20K, only problem being a clutch replacement. If you buy a new RT never let it go out of a warranty coverage or keep £5K in the bank, alternator replacement is not uncommon and the job costs £4500! Other parts subject to expensive failures. BMW win both ways.
I'm thinking to swith my R1250GSA to RT, major reason is only my knees not as power as before, wonder is that my right choice or not, but I love GSA high visibility, can anyone give me some idea between it?
Happy to find someone who shares my opinion. I've had a 2013 R1200RT (90th edition as shown in your video) for 11 years now and 120,000 miles and just decided to keep it rather than getting a new one. I've owned a 2016 and had electronic issues with the throttle and also found it heavier and wider, which was a nuisance when commuting and filtering. I've ridden the 1250 as well and the performance gains aren't all that impressive (plus the wet clutch is not as convenient for low-speed imo). Yes, the electronics like keyless central locking and the quick-shifter are nice, but not enough to overcome the downsides. I'm just going to keep my camhead and repair or replace it if it ever dies on me. One thing not mentioned is how much easier maintenance is as well. I've done all my 6k and 12k services myself and only paid a dealer to replace my clutch once at 90k miles. Still on the original suspension and no other problems with the bike in 11 years. The camheads are really the best R1200RT generation.
R1250RT 2006 my first and I like it
I still drive the 98 r1100rt and with 141tkm i enjoy it every time.
Tough one!
i started with R850RT from 98, than a R1200RT from 09.. and i bought a R1250RT from 21.. love this new bike :)
Thanks for sharing - I'd say that we could consider you a true fan of the model then ;)
I'm going to stable my 1986 K75c and replace it with a yet to be decided 1150 or one of the gens of 1200. This video is very helpful for making that decision. 👍
I'm glad that I could be of help. If I may, I think that it may really be worth going for a 1200. I don't know how they compare in terms of reliability but in terms of how nice they both are and how much more effortless the 1200 feels in comparison to 1150, to me it would be worth even some additional risks.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thank you for the advice!
Great review thank you!
So basically price/performance - reliability, the sweet spot would be a 1200 rt 2013? (If you don’t care about looks )
Absolutely..... The holy grail being a 2013 90 Jahre anniversary edition. (the black one w/ gold calipers in the video)
After 100 bikes i kept my 89 K1 for 23 years. Then switched to the 2015 R 1200 RS that was supposed to be my last bike. Never happy with the asymetrical and poor functional light and instrument , and had to raise the handlebars. When I discovered the 21 R1250RT I was smitten, and totally happy and impressed. The K1 cruising speed was 180 km/hr, the R 1200 RS was 130, and the RT is 160 km/hr and will use less fuel then the 1200. The added gadgeds and comfort and luggage space is a real bonus.
Thanks for sharing - I see there's been some interesting history!
Hi, I have a 2007 r1200rt and thinking to upgrade to 2023 one, but based on your comments, I think there is no dramatic changes to worth doing that. In fact, I mostly care about the overall driving feeling you get from the new one compared to my 2007. What do you suggest? Thanks
2010 r1200 for 6000€, 2007 for 4500€, or r1150 for 2500€, which one would you go for? all three have around 80 000km and full service history.
1150 looks much better to me, but newer ones seem much more beginner friendly (i have two years of riding experience on 400cc)
i ride a 2016 RT.
Also did some testdrives on a 2010/2009 RT
But i did not like that bike.. could not find the right ride vibe.
The things you said about no diffrence in a 2014 and 1 2005 in manouverbility.
i could not do the things i do on my own LC on the Older model R1200RT
I rented a 2019 R1250RT in Las Vegas last summer and drove it 3K miles over 2 weeks. When I got home, I ordered a 2022 to replace my 2006.
So clearly there must've been something worth upgrading then. Thanks for sharing this and all the best with your new RTransformer!
With your help I got myself a GSA 2019 HP. one year ago.
Now I'm considering to change to RT 2021.
I ride just onroad and a lot with a passenger, long distances. Would you recommend a upgrade to a RT 2021 or should I keep the GSA 2019?
I hope you're generally happy with the choice. One thing about riding with a passenger is center of gravity at low speeds and the passenger's influence on your balance which in RT might be a bit better as the whole bike is shorter. But at speeds this shouldn't be a big deal. So the question is what you're thinking that RT would do better. Wind protection will be better and possibly the stock seat should be nicer than the one in the GSA. Other than that - it's very likely only a matter of what you feel you like more. Perhaps ask the passenger too then!
@@VToldsMotoShow what is your opinion on a GTL 2022 compared to a GSA and RT. Which one would you prefer for a on road long distance trips with a passenger???
I have a 2008 r1200rt, comfortable bike with only 34000km.
Before that i ride sometimes my fathers r1100rt 1997.
Big improvement when you compare these two, such as in handling en performance.
I also tested the 2014 1200 rt model and the 1250rt Lc, but for me the steering position is not ok.
It looks like's the handlebar is being made smaller en the seat a lot harder. Still i like the model en de engine upgrades til now.
Maybe in the future i buy a new one but for the moment i am verry happy with my 2008 model.
Greetings
I see. Likely you've experienced the biggest difference jumping from the '97 to '08. I also believe that with time seats could get harder. It's not always the case but tends to happen in cars too. Savings on cushioning perhaps? In cars for sure, but in motorcycles I probably wouldn't be able to guess. I'm glad you're happy with your RT!
I own a 2011 rt, the last oil cooled version. A rocket with simply maintenance. Someday i will upgrade, of course for another rt, but i prefer to wait until bmw perform the water cooled engine.
Totally! I'd stick to your '11, especially that in 2023 or 2024 there may be some changes to the RT too, as there are rumours about a new GS in the late 2022 or early 2023.
My first was the 1100, exactly as the one in the beginning of the video same color then 1150rt, 1200rt, k1200s, 1150gs and now 2012 1200rt. All I purchased used except for the 07 1200rt. I’m very happy with the one I have now, it has the premium package plus the BMW navigation, bmw tank bag and police cooling fan, all which came when I bought it. I can’t see myself buying another one until this one is completely worn out or I get too old to ride. Very happy with it and just can’t justify spending money on something that is perfectly fine and does what I need it to do. In all honesty, I believe the 1150 were the pinnacle of all the engines because you didn’t have to be a brain surgeon to work on it and those motors will run forever.
When you compare 1150gs with 1100rt which one you prefer? I am trying to choose one over other but couldn't make my mind up yet.
@@deepdiver1069 I prefer the rt because it’s much better wind protection but if I was planning on doing a lot of back road cross country riding then definitely the gs with different riding gear.
I have a 2019 1250RT... great bike. Won't be changing it for the 2021 model anytime soon!
Oh, that's likely a really small gap out there.
I have a super low miles 2013 E1200 RT, and Im considering the 2023 RT because I was told they handle much better at parking lot speeds ??? What is you advice, Thank you very much, I really appreciate your feedback.
I'm not exactly sure if there can be large differences in this field to the point of creating such a statement. If you're going to put a lot of money on the table, I'm afraid that you may be disappointed. But just whenever you can, go to any dealer having such a demo bike, preferably on your own bike, and try it. Parking lot speeds handling will be very easy to check jumping from one bike to the other over and over. This should resolve all your concerns about it. Keep the expectations low and maybe you'll spot something that will make the swap worth it.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thank you for the advice. I do think my 2013 is more than capable for my needs at my age now. Im not riding to push any limits of the bike or myself. purely for enjoyment. Now if I were in my 30s I may think I need the newer faster stuff. After all I see guys riding to MOA rides across the country on 20 and 30 year old R/5s and they do just fine. I think I may opt to keep the RT, and get a R9 T 100 years. Thx again.
Just sold my 2002 1150RT due to regulations in my country. Feel so sad and still do as i never been so attached to a bike before. Simple to maintain and its still a head turner.
Do they ban BMW R1150RT out there?
@@VToldsMotoShow no they still do but only till 2028 due emissions regulations. And by 2040, there will be no more internal.combustion engine vehicles here
I have a 2000 R1100Rt and a 2013 R1200Rt and they are both great bikes. Each time I take one on a long road trip I get home thinking it is the best bike I've ever ridden.
Sounds like an interesting choice to make before every ride. I guess I'd stick to the new one permanently though.
@@VToldsMotoShow Either way it's a great ride.
Great video, I had the 1100, then bought K1200LT but the weight put me off, now I am torn between 2010 vs 2014 price gap is huge here in Australia 🇦🇺...
Between these two perhaps the design could play a major role. The 2014 might look way closer to the current 2021- MY. The question is if that matters to you and if so - how much it's worth.
I like the new one!
So a vote for the Transformer!
My last bike was an 82 Shadow 900 when I was 32. I am thinking about a new RT. What do you think?
It's too general of a question but if you had a long break, I'd consider two things about an RT. First of all, it's a big and heavy bike so a small mistake may end up in getting down hard, and it will require quite a bit of precision in some tighter spots to control all that weight. You will feel it. But if that's not an issue for you, then on the other hand, it's pretty friendly and easy to ride along with providing quite bit of fun to the rider. I hope that this helps.
Hi ! What about the liquid cooling sistem on the Rt 2014 .. is it quit diferent from the 2005 model?
I'm not that familiar with the cooling system itself. However, if it comes to general impressions, then I wouldn't say that there's so much that's different in terms of performance between the 2005 and 2013/2014 model. Between 2005 and and the 1250 yes, but before I wouldn't bother considering that at all.
@@VToldsMotoShow Having had several of the camhead generation as well as a watercooled R1200RT, I don't think this is accurate. The watercooled version had a significantly different feeling engine and a wet clutch, as well as considerably more power than the camhead versions. It also had an electronic throttle that was not quite the same as the old cable actuated one. Finally, in 2014 the watercooled R1200RT was both heavier and wider than the previous generation, which I found was quite noticeable, though it was still an incredibly good bike once underway.
Hi, I currently ride a Triumph Explorer, a great ride and I enjoy it a lot. Now getting a little older (me, not the bike), I'm thinking very seriously of getting a 2018 R1200 RT, the right price range for me and more comfort for long tours. I have never ridden one before, so some helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.
It may be a significant style change. First of all you might consider the size as if you're quite tall, then you might appreciate a more comfortable knee angle of adventure bikes. RT is not as tall - which is then great if you're short. This may be one deal-breaker but also doesn't have to be as you may replace RT's seat with a taller one, raise the handlebars and have the bike adjusted accordingly up to some point. RT is considered very comfortable for long rides but also stays easy to handle in tight spots. However, they've got those fat mirrors stuck on their sides that on one hand enhance wind protection at speeds but on the other, make the bike quite wide when you're riding around the city and squeezing into tight spots between the cars (if that's legal in your country os state). I hope this helps.
@@VToldsMotoShow thank so much for the reply, Yes, I'm a shorty and have always had trouble with the height of the Explorer. I'm looking forward to getting my RT....cheers
Hi Gary, I hope you have found a nice RT by now! I have a 2013 RT, and came from a 2013 Tiger Explorer. I was looking for more weather protection as I was a daily commuter. Not rain so much as I am in Southern California, but was leaving the house at 5:30 AM and wanted more wind protection. At first I was somewhat disappointed in the RT's performance. The Tiger felt much quicker, but I think it was geared lower. I also initially liked the Triumph triple engine better. However, I did not want to get a Trophy because of its considerable weight and was discontinued already. I have grown to appreciate the RT on long trips however, and do not find its width to be any more of a problem than the Tiger with its wide bars. It is a bit tighter when lane splitting, but once you are used to it, its ok. The RT is definitely lower than the TIger. I am 6', so I use the high seat position on the RT. Keep thinking I would like to have a newer RT, but every time I ride mine, I think this one is pretty good! Maybe in another couple of years I'll upgrade when used 2021's are a little more affordable.
I have owned a 2007rt and 2011 camhead. Then bought a 2015 r1200r. I am surprised no one mentions the crappy clunky shifting BMWs. I found the water cooled almost impossible to shift smoothly without bumping helmets with my wife. Wet clutch. I much preferred the dry clutch of the 2011. I have rode the water cooled RT and I did not like the way it felt, the camhead felt lighter and more nimble, Less power than the water cooled but overall the camhead was better for me. Butter on the slab.
Thanks for sharing then, I appreciate it as it's helpful to point out at those differences.
I also found my present 2010 camhead RT was more comfy and nimbler and better looking than the water cooled RTs.
I might get a 2020 RT for the newest motor
Interesting.. I'd love to ride the dry clutch model. I too think my '21 is a bit clunky shifting. Old school, still use the clutch to shift nearly every time in spite of gear shift assist.
The water cooled bikes make a terrible sounding gear clash when put into 1st gear. The 2013 and earlier dry clutch bikes are nice and quiet going into 1st gear
I ride a 2007 R1200RT and I'll continue so ! She is already 142.000kms now and still healthy. (don't like electronic throttle too much with new models)
Wow, 142.000 km is a lot!
@@VToldsMotoShow I know a 2008 with 616.000kms !
Love my 2013 90th anniversary.
Maybe one time i Will by a Rt 1200 2008/2010 but i Will never sell my Rt 1150 because it’s the best bike I ever have in 30 years rider….
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Hey, if you like your 1150, then maybe try one of the newer ones just for fun. Either you'll fall in love again or just justify staying with your solid 1150. Sometimes it can serve as a fresh start.
I totally agree. I've tried the 1200 many times but it never convinced me to let go of my 1150. Now I've actually got two 1150's, one in Norway and one in South Africa.
Hi. Sold my GSA and buying the RT. Think it will better suit me
Your opinion. Buy a 2016 rt or 2019? Both have low mileage and fully equipped. Is the 2019 worth the extra $8,000?
no, keep your money (8000$) for maintenance and fuel
It depends how much money to you $8000 is. If it's not that significant, then go for it - there are some things that are cool about a newer bike. Otherwise perhaps there can be a better use of this amount of money that would be additionally spent on a very, very similar motorcycle. However, sometimes it's just about having the thing you like and I believe that sometimes with emotional things like motorcycles, if you can get the feeling that you want by paying more than you know that it's really worth, it may make sense to go for it.
Hi V-Told,
Can’t really comment on previous iterations of the bike prior to 2021. This is an extraordinary all around bike in asphalt with premium features that I very much appreciate, a bike to do long distances in comfort for two people. The navigation software is a flop in my opinion, just doesn’t stick properly connected to your phone and it’s a pane to settle or pair it in easy terms. Although I find very useful on longer trips the adaptive cruise control if you are riding and you want to see the landscape or talk and comment with your pillion about something you both are appreciating about the views.
When I ride it alone I set the riding mode on dynamic and you can really take pleasure of a more sporty ride. Very useful bike in the winter because it offers a unique whether protection and a safe and sophisticated machine. This is a keeper IMHO.
All the best! Thanks for the history review on the model and there is info on this video that really is nice and important to know, considering for instance that some modifications in time, seem to be corrected and return to some old features, like the weight of the bike. There are comfort features that even the upper touring BMW model doesn’t have that are exclusively present on the RT. That’s very well thought by the Brand, don’t you think?
Be well my friend ✌️✌️
RT is a legend in the touring world. I always say that there's got to be a reason to Police around the world loving to ride these even despite they're still pretty bulky for city riding. I've been riding R1150RT for some time and wind protection on all of these can be great in the legs area. There were even - I believe accessory - "wings" next to the feet area that would help and redirect the wind from there!
This could be one of the most competent touring motorcycle lines ever, if not the #1 thanks to its great balance and so handling at lower speeds. It's kind of like a heavier and shorter GS in terms of that. I personally prefer GS's style but if I were to travel thousands of kilometers on a highway, in different weather conditions, RT wins hands down! And a number of touring accessories - it may just as well be unmatched! Thanks a lot for the input!
@@VToldsMotoShow Yes, these bikes can make a man very happy, for instance, riding a GS more frequently in the spring an summer and an RT for the Autumn and winter seasons. That’s my goal now 😄
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I have 1200 RT 2008. I like it bc it is very well-balanced in every aspect. Mine doesn't have a radio bc it is a little bit too much for me as a rider and the biggest advantage of that is that I have a huge compartment that is close at hand such as documents, money, bottle of water, first aid, lighter, disinfectant and other small handy stuff. The newer versions don't have that or are far more technically advanced, such as K26.
Witold, gdzie sie nauczyles tak ladnie mowic po angielsku? Subskrybuje od tego filmiku i pozdrawiam. Krzysztof
ps. I've got r1150rt by the way.
Dzięki! Nauczyłem się trochę w szkole, trochę w internecie, a i słuchanie muzyki pomaga nieco z akcentem. A później to już tylko praktyka na żywo, aby nabywać płynności i wychwytywać nowe słowa. Pozdro!
Im still on an 04 R1150RT. Dont see any reason to upgrade. Mostly commuting to work and the occasional 2 up ride with my wife.
Im happy With my 1150rt 🤓
A loyal owner ;)
The other option of course is to keep an older bike and add some upgrades yourself to bring it closer to the performance of a modern iteration…
I have a 1996 R1100RT. They still go well in stock trim if properly set up (throttle body balancing and valve clearances are vital) but add matched R1200 injectors, GS intake tubes and a Gemi chip, you’ll have more torque, peak HP, better economy, no fuelling issues and still have a bike that’s relatively easy to service and maintain yourself…definitely depends on whether you’re into spinning spanners though!
I have an early 2020 model. It’s been great for touring. I don’t fancy an upgrade as the tft nav is based only on your phone and you can lose signal etc. Also using that nav on the go is tricky I hear. The 21 model radar thing maybe fun but I don’t tour on motorways if possible so it’s not an attraction. The only bad thing about the RT is the stupid handlebar design so you can’t mount your phone without a whole day of replacing bolts etc. So I am looking at buying Nav 6 for touring but hoping the prices drop when more people buythe 2021 model.
Haha, good point about the handlebar. It's always been "different". It surely looks cool but yeah, some things are a bit harder to achieve with it. Thanks for your input!
Considering to buy a new one or used one 2019 +- thanks.
I'm glad the video could be helpful in making your decision. 2019 may still be very expensive while the new one is... well, you know... a new one and a generation ahead. Those always keep their value better if they're not terribly "screwed up". The new one doesn't seem to be. Some complain about its new digital dashboard and some issues with it that are new to the RT, yet buying new, this is what the warranty is there for. All the best!
I'm looking for a 2nd bike, one my wife will go on the back of so we can do some touring. But I'm on a tight budget so ar looking at the 1100 or the 1150 spending max £2k. The low centre of gravity is a deciding factor for me as I have a prosthetic leg
I'm not sure that either 1100 of 1150 would exactly be very helpful with their enormous weight if you've got to be careful with the leg. I'd take a look and try an older GS, however, these used to be heavy too. But sometimes having them taller may surprisingly feel easier to manage.
Missed 2 important add-ons in 1200. Heated sets and central lock for panniers and trunk. Those are considered premium but the truth is, at least in my neck of the woods; no dealer sold the 1200 without premium
2016 R 1200 RT 100 k
Beautiful 😍
3 ride modes Cruise con l ride and lay it harder than my 2016 R nine T 44 k
These two bikes cover ever ride l do 👍
I love my '06 RT and will stick to it alap. And I would still say the design aged wel..
It’s about time BMW made a VTEC motor. LOL
I like my 2010 RT overhead cam bike very much. So much in fact that I did not think 2015 water cooled version was enough better to make me buy it. The 2015 did not seem as comfortable due to low seat height and the motor seemed a bit buzzy. I also liked the looks of my 2010 more than the 2015 as the 2010 just looked better integrated … ie the bodywork just had a handsome put together look from the side and back
I’m trying to decide if I should go for the newest 136 hp version
came from a K75RT over a R1100RT to a 2012 R1200RT which had a clutch broken. Now a 2016 R1200RT LC which is my favorite (despite changing the headlight is a real pain). Still not looking for the new R1250RT (yet :)
Thanks for sharing and I see a true fan of the RT model in here!
I’ve just ordered a 23 RT coming from a 21 GSA 🎉
All the best with the new bike then!
I have a 1992 Kawasaki EX500, I had a 900 Ninja back in the 80's. I'd like a BMW now and favor a K 1200 RS or possibly GT but I'm starting to think the RT might be a better option. I don't ride a whole lot so the 02 or 05 would be fine.
Hey is it possible to add Rider back rest on 2021 model
I've got no idea but I've never seen one. My guess would be that it's possible but would require and aftermarket part, and not from BMW.
I gotta admit I'm loving my 2016 R1200 and wouldn't mind going to a full package 1250 but don't feel like the big difference in cost is worth the sidegrade.
The 2005 rt has better looks on the body. The new display on the newest addition is pretty nice.
i bought a used 2010. many years ago i rode a R1150RT it think it was and it was a very beautuful and easy to ride moto. I had my wife on the bike at the time and noticed the acceleration was not quite what I was used to having been riding a Yamaha Virago 750 which was quick and a blast to ride. But i did notice that the way the BMW handled was superior to the Yamaha. I could take it down a gravel road and split the crown in the center all the way with perfect control. The Yamaha Virago would have shifted out of the pile of gravel in the center of the road. And it would have been the rear searching for traction. And this is a shaft drive bike similar to the BMW. At that point, I was sold on the BMW suspension built into these bikes. So many advantages to this simple engineering including the Telelever 'A arm' front suspension to the Paralever rear link to hold the rear end level under acceleration or braking. Don't know why 'Harley' or anyone else put this engeneering into their bikes, but it came from auto which BMW did, so did the others but they didn't start with motorad.
Sold my 2016 RT to upgrade to the twin cam engine, but decided to wait for the now rumored 1300cc rt.
I'm not entirely sure if there have been any significant leaks specifically about the RT series being renewed in the nearest future. What we might've seen and heard about was the GS and likely its spy shots, but I'm not sure a new RT should be coming along with it.
I sold my kawa z900 afther 22000 km Hi way and everday home d work for a 1200 rt mars red als black … i hope i can get between the cars in trafic jams and Im looking forward to motorbike vacation now
Oh you should do just fine. Cops in Europe and America manage to filter traffic even in the tightest cities. Sometimes you may hesitate but sometimes no bike or a scooter can fit. All the best with your RT!
I have a 2020 rt like it a lot. The newest version has some upgrades but not huge upgrades. I would like the newer upgrades but not a good time to trade a motorcycle for the differences. Maybe in another five or six years it will be worth considering a new bike, when it is on the other side of 100,000 miles.
Now 100,000 miles is a pretty serious target - not bad! I also think that upgrades here were not that super drastic within the generations, starting from 2005.
@@VToldsMotoShow I traded in a goldwing with nearly 250,000 miles on the odometer for the first BMW which was destroyed when I was hit by a drunk driver the first month I had it. I replaced it with the model I have now so 100,000 miles does not seem like a big deal to me. ( same vehicle except for the year, even the color)
Good point. Open the blind buyer eyes 👌
I think that realistically looking at it, it's tiny tweaks here and there in terms of technology and design and that's cool, but the main features remain on a very, very similar level.
My biggest problem with the 2005 model is that in the US, with all the traffic jams, it overheats (air-cooled).
Seriously?! I suppose that may be a very hot state that you're meaning. Look, even Italian cops ride RT motorcycles and Italy is one of those hotter places. Or perhaps you're riding in a place where lane splitting is not allowed and you're stuck in traffic jams along with cars. Then I suppose any motorcycle would get extremely hot. My personal experiences in super hot days with motorcycles that handle the heat OK, are similar - if you ride it, make it hot and then get stuck and not move for a few minutes, the fans will indeed keep working. Still, here I was never moving like cars do so never has any bike literally overheated.
I have the 2014 model fully loaded luxury edition with every optional upgrade. I got it second hand from a Honda dealer who didn't realize what they had with all the upgrades so I got it for a steal.
I rode a 2023 F900 hire bike the other day and the gearbox was so smooth especially on the gearshift Pro, I really want that on my RT. And the brakes were so much better too. Not a fan of the keyless system tho. Definitely a turn off for me. Had one before and I hated it.
My 07' 1200GS must really be done and finished, then I'll upgrade to an RT, most likely a 14-16 model
2010-2013 the best as for me!
I’m like my 2010 RT overhead cam bike also. I’m trying to decide if I should go for the newest 136 hp version
How do you compare R1250RT with K1600GT?
RT is totally useful in all sorts of conditions while K1600GT needs space and speed. I could still ride in most places in the city on an RT while on a GT it was a big challenge. But then the engine of the GT is amazing - smooth and extremely powerful and full of torque. It’s for long highway runs while RT is better on slower roads and some other conditions.
I bought a 05 1200 rt in 2018 in mint condition with 36k km on the clock. It's got 59k on now and not1 problem . I do maintenance my self but have sent it in for a major service before I go for a long road trip in November. My problem is that I want to buy a newer bike not necessarily bmw but find it very difficult coming of the rt. I test drive 2 motorcycles a month and can't get my self to sell the rt and move to the new bike. I always compare the rt to the new bike and can't find enough reason to keep the new and sel the rt. I even tried 2015 and 1250 rt. They drive to similar to replace my bike and the financial cost does not justify a upgrade just yet.
Almost exactly my story too. I was coming off of a different bike and there were reasons to replace it but just nothing really was making me impressed. This may be a sign to keep it a while more until there is something that you'll feel will be worth your money. No need to push it I think. Bikes age differently than for example cars and anyway, today's automotive technology/engineering isn't that much different from that from 2007-2010.
Currently have a 2011 bmw r1200rt and am quite happy with it. Now if the rumors are true and there’s a r1300rt coming out I’m going to get it.
I guess that it may take a moment as they've redesigned it pretty recently and also rather frequently in the past. My bet would be that a big GS is going to come first now.
I’m like my 2010 RT overhead cam bike also. It’s the best of the traditional boxer. Also own a 77 100rs since 1981. I’m trying to decide if I should go for the newest 136 hp RT version
Thank you!
It's the one I have c- '14. With the crisis raging, I'm lucky to have grabbed it last year, and replaced an '18 V-Strom 1000. But I wouldn't object to the latest model at all. The seat is low (I'm 1.90), true, and I do feel the with while filtering.
The former I wanted: A purely street cycle, because I grew tired of the tall, top-heavy Suzuki. Not to mention that my wife pretty much blackmailed me to get her a bike with more room in the back instead of the cramped perch between the SW-Motech OEM panniers. The heavier RT is actually easier to maneuver due to the lower seat, and around the city I even ride it with the lower seat position. Though, boy, it is as heavy as fate.
The width at the mirrors - seems to me - is largely, but not entirely optical.
I enjoy the engine and the gimmicks - it's pre-keyless, but with everything else onboard. I find it surprisingly agile and, especially since the new rubber went on, amazingly reassuring. And, no, I'm not a street racer, but a 56-year-old enjoying the comfort, the abundant, but somehow reasonable power, and, frankly, how it turns heads parked on the pavement.
Thanks for your vid, it was fun to watch.
Thank you for sharing!
3:45 sorry does liquid cooling means anything to you?
No.
I have a 2007 RT, and will change to 2017 model. I think that exist a big difference ☺️.
PS: and I have short legs 🙂
Every new model of BMW computer on two wheels must have 50 ccm more.
I'm waiting for R1500RT
Sometimes it's just a name change with only minor growth in displacement. 1500 sounds like the current K1600GT, so well, it actually too makes me think where it's going with the names.