17:19 - so interestingly enough, there is a specific type of feminism called political lesbianism (i wanna say it came up during second-wave feminism but it has been a minute since i studied this LOL) which basically argues that women who are in relationships with men are complicit in their own oppression, so in theory, that could be a line of thinking that is in line with this particular brand of feminism. that being said, i highly doubt the author was referring to this in that one throwaway line 😂
I’m convinced the breath they didn’t realize they were holding is an inside joke amongst authors at this point that they deliberately shove into books at least once
Honestly, I don't think the kind of people that make up the "face of Booktok" right now DO understand boundaries and objectification is like. Too many of the popular books are men doing crimes but it's OK because he's hot.
I'm taking a break from writing, and what floored me was you calling it "upsetting" LOL. I also really hate how parents just ignore ratings. Ratings were put in place by parents to avoid their kids seeing shite they shouldn't. Personally I think it's because they see "grade reading level" and think that's the same as an age rating, when it's not. My books are for adults, but I write in a like casual manner, easy to understand. So I'm like 6th-8th which is about where American Adults read. Like PLEASE don't give your kids my books lol.
17:05 I don't like the phrase "feminism left my body", but at this point i treat it as a meme and ignore it. It's a chronically online kind of saying. Most women saying it are joking for the most part, I think. It's usually coupled with "I can cook and clean" and/or horny thoughts.
Honestly, getting the perspective of a cis straight guy (as far as I know, idk your personal life) is very refreshing because I see a lot of people of the afab origin saying the same thing about the same books over and over again, most of the time, when I write, I want my audience not just to be avid readers but also the average person
Taylor Swift's people must have decided it's not good PR to go after romance books referencing her or her songs. It's really common in booktok favs especially. A few days ago I watched a review of a historic romance book that was named after one of her songs, and that appeared to be the series theme.
I feel like my brain is too rotted from 25 years of reading the MOST explicit fanfiction. Contemporary romance is not my genre. That said, I have enjoyed a few MM hockey rivals-to-lovers reads.
I haven't read it, but i kind of understood that it was about college-aged characters and might have spice. It's spicier than the cover looked (to me), but it wasn't that surprising. I think this has to do with people having a weird perception of art, coz I've seen so many readers online call any form of illustrated people "cartoons" and therefor they must be kiddy content. The Icebreaker cover comes off "young", but if you combine that with the summary, you'd know they're young adults. Hence, if all I had was the physical book in a store, no Goodreads or google, it would come off as older YA or NA to me. I also think the publishing industry is moving towards more illustrated covers while the masses still relate cover illustrations with "kiddy", and it was just bad timing that this book got popular and a lot of people mistook it for a younger demographic. I still think it's weird to bang in the presence of non-consenting people. Otherwise, I also think it's a typical romance not worth rising an uproar over.
Not to go all figure skating nerd on here but it’s so extremely difficult to change disciplines in figure skating. Like… going from pairs skating to singles extremely difficult because the method of jumping is quite different as well as the elements. From what I’ve seen it’s easier for a singles skater to transition into other disciplines than it is to go the other way around. I know many singles skaters who have started trying ice dance, because although it’s not EASY singles skaters tend to be more equipped with the skills to go to another discipline. AND FURTHERMORE I sincerely doubt she’s going to be able to win GOLD a short while after changing disciplines. I can’t remember which gold she won but any one is ridiculous. American nationals? The American field is huge, one of the largest federations. 4CC? Worlds? Ridiculous. And just as someone who’s a huge figure skating fan this book just irritated me.
This is the first review that actually made me want to read it? Everyone seemed so focused on the smut I didn’t think there was a plot. But also, it’s giving One Tree Hill and I’m a sucker for the CW.
Why do u keep doing this to urself haha i feel ur last few books have been ones u didn’t enjoy all that much. Still respect for being objective abt this even if u didn’t love it personally
A comment about 17:20 and links with 27:48. And this will sound like I'm reaching, but whatever. And you should run this by a woman, so yeah, this probably won't make any sense, but I'll try. So, what we have to imagine while reading a line like that is the female character going on her head "I want to be his bword" or something similar. Simone de Beauvoir brought this up in one of her books, the point that a woman does want to be independent and have control and so on, but also be able to say, surrender herself, let herself be taken, in some other situations. Like, they don't want to be trench-hard all the time. I'm not an expert in SdB, so someone may try to shoot me down and point out the inaccuracies, but I don't think it's incorrect in what I'm trying to say. So, this reaction of seeing someone super hot and going "make me your etc" may resonate with some of Hannah Grace's viewers, and is supported later in the text with the lines you mention around 27:48. Has Hannah Grace read Beauvoir and more importantly believes that her readers have done so as well, or is she misunderstanding feminism in some level... I think it's something best left for an interview (people always run out of questions in those, why not go deep into a topic like this?). PS: hey! someone else found this point interesting too! Nice, I'm not alone.
“Feminism leaving my body” is just a meme, unfortunately (and overused in romance). Though, I guess the author meant it literally here with how she decided to end this book. 🙃
Craziest oart is the lady who harassed the guy doubled down 💀 saying it was gonna happen regardless
The way I laughed when you mentioned wanting Erin to die and knowing that there would be none of that 😂😂😂
I had to keep reminding myself there wasn’t gonna be a sword fight at the end ⚔️
17:19 - so interestingly enough, there is a specific type of feminism called political lesbianism (i wanna say it came up during second-wave feminism but it has been a minute since i studied this LOL) which basically argues that women who are in relationships with men are complicit in their own oppression, so in theory, that could be a line of thinking that is in line with this particular brand of feminism. that being said, i highly doubt the author was referring to this in that one throwaway line 😂
I think I’ve heard that sentiment before but never heard the term. Thanks for sharing!
I’m convinced the breath they didn’t realize they were holding is an inside joke amongst authors at this point that they deliberately shove into books at least once
You’re probably right but it’s a bad joke.
@@dontfretreadbooks 💨😳😮💨😮
How come in these popular spicy tiktok books, its always the guy who "owns" the girl and not the other way around
Because authors are cowards.
@@dontfretreadbooks You're right and you should say it
that;s what i want to know too
Honestly, I don't think the kind of people that make up the "face of Booktok" right now DO understand boundaries and objectification is like. Too many of the popular books are men doing crimes but it's OK because he's hot.
it kills me that the loudest part of booktok is the worst books😭😭😭😭
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"... but I'm doing this now." lol! Thanks for reading this book so we don't have to.
I'm taking a break from writing, and what floored me was you calling it "upsetting" LOL.
I also really hate how parents just ignore ratings. Ratings were put in place by parents to avoid their kids seeing shite they shouldn't. Personally I think it's because they see "grade reading level" and think that's the same as an age rating, when it's not. My books are for adults, but I write in a like casual manner, easy to understand. So I'm like 6th-8th which is about where American Adults read. Like PLEASE don't give your kids my books lol.
17:05 I don't like the phrase "feminism left my body", but at this point i treat it as a meme and ignore it. It's a chronically online kind of saying. Most women saying it are joking for the most part, I think. It's usually coupled with "I can cook and clean" and/or horny thoughts.
Honestly, getting the perspective of a cis straight guy (as far as I know, idk your personal life) is very refreshing because I see a lot of people of the afab origin saying the same thing about the same books over and over again, most of the time, when I write, I want my audience not just to be avid readers but also the average person
Out on a Limb by Hannah Bonam-Young is a lovely romance book I recently read that's pretty good.
Taylor Swift's people must have decided it's not good PR to go after romance books referencing her or her songs. It's really common in booktok favs especially. A few days ago I watched a review of a historic romance book that was named after one of her songs, and that appeared to be the series theme.
I feel like my brain is too rotted from 25 years of reading the MOST explicit fanfiction. Contemporary romance is not my genre.
That said, I have enjoyed a few MM hockey rivals-to-lovers reads.
I haven't read it, but i kind of understood that it was about college-aged characters and might have spice. It's spicier than the cover looked (to me), but it wasn't that surprising.
I think this has to do with people having a weird perception of art, coz I've seen so many readers online call any form of illustrated people "cartoons" and therefor they must be kiddy content. The Icebreaker cover comes off "young", but if you combine that with the summary, you'd know they're young adults. Hence, if all I had was the physical book in a store, no Goodreads or google, it would come off as older YA or NA to me.
I also think the publishing industry is moving towards more illustrated covers while the masses still relate cover illustrations with "kiddy", and it was just bad timing that this book got popular and a lot of people mistook it for a younger demographic.
I still think it's weird to bang in the presence of non-consenting people. Otherwise, I also think it's a typical romance not worth rising an uproar over.
“Don’t date hockey people” I keep telling you guys.
The Vancouver Vipers!? Excuse you Ms. Author
That’s the only part I found truly offensive
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Mind you, the fanfics I read when I was 15 in the late 90s... Let's just say that I basically got my S.Ed from them
Not to go all figure skating nerd on here but it’s so extremely difficult to change disciplines in figure skating. Like… going from pairs skating to singles extremely difficult because the method of jumping is quite different as well as the elements. From what I’ve seen it’s easier for a singles skater to transition into other disciplines than it is to go the other way around. I know many singles skaters who have started trying ice dance, because although it’s not EASY singles skaters tend to be more equipped with the skills to go to another discipline. AND FURTHERMORE I sincerely doubt she’s going to be able to win GOLD a short while after changing disciplines. I can’t remember which gold she won but any one is ridiculous. American nationals? The American field is huge, one of the largest federations. 4CC? Worlds? Ridiculous. And just as someone who’s a huge figure skating fan this book just irritated me.
bro please read an ember in the ashes, its actually good
I feel you on CBT
Wait! Is this how I find our your a Canadian BookTuber annnnd a Canucks "fan"!!
It’s true. I was at the Stanley Cup games in 2011.
This is the first review that actually made me want to read it? Everyone seemed so focused on the smut I didn’t think there was a plot. But also, it’s giving One Tree Hill and I’m a sucker for the CW.
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Why do u keep doing this to urself haha i feel ur last few books have been ones u didn’t enjoy all that much. Still respect for being objective abt this even if u didn’t love it personally
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A comment about 17:20 and links with 27:48. And this will sound like I'm reaching, but whatever. And you should run this by a woman, so yeah, this probably won't make any sense, but I'll try.
So, what we have to imagine while reading a line like that is the female character going on her head "I want to be his bword" or something similar. Simone de Beauvoir brought this up in one of her books, the point that a woman does want to be independent and have control and so on, but also be able to say, surrender herself, let herself be taken, in some other situations. Like, they don't want to be trench-hard all the time. I'm not an expert in SdB, so someone may try to shoot me down and point out the inaccuracies, but I don't think it's incorrect in what I'm trying to say.
So, this reaction of seeing someone super hot and going "make me your etc" may resonate with some of Hannah Grace's viewers, and is supported later in the text with the lines you mention around 27:48. Has Hannah Grace read Beauvoir and more importantly believes that her readers have done so as well, or is she misunderstanding feminism in some level... I think it's something best left for an interview (people always run out of questions in those, why not go deep into a topic like this?).
PS: hey! someone else found this point interesting too! Nice, I'm not alone.
“Feminism leaving my body” is just a meme, unfortunately (and overused in romance).
Though, I guess the author meant it literally here with how she decided to end this book. 🙃