5 THINGS I HATE ABOUT THE E36 M3 **I Should Have Bought a 350z**
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2017
- This Is Why I Bought An E36 M3... Not an S2K, BRZ, or 350Z
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Welcome! So at this point I've had the M3 for about a year. I figured it's about time for me to explain a few things I have found aren't the best about it-- but hey, it wasn't easy! It's no secret I love the dang thing. Thanks for watching guys! Stay tuned for a followup video on the things I LOVE!
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I'm an old man at 44 yo. I've driven MANY a car. The E36 M3 is in my top 5 all time. At least top 5 of 6 cylinder models.
I 3d printed my cup holders
Sell them shit I would buy
No way how has it hold up after a couple years
So glad I found your channel, showing me everything I need to know about the e36 chassis. Can’t wait to keep working on mine. SUBSCRIBED!
Welcome to the channel man!
Cut the bottom out of one of your cup holders. Cut it at that middle ridge that doesnt allow normal cups to fully sink in. It will fit a big gulp afterwards. #murica
+Josh Tollefson haha that's a good idea. I don't know how I feel about having a hole through them though. Could look a bit janky... maybe not though!
+Panagiotis Poulikogiannis seems to be the thing to do
You make excellent videos and I share your exact feelings!! And I even installed that center led for my after market alarm!
you will love the E39 M5 cup holders. .Lol .I had both the E36 M3 new and the E39 M5 ! i currently have a 2010 M6... Ps. No drinking or eating in M cars..
I got a 540 they make like 10 dollar replacement cup holders that are great
Try 255 square on 17x9 with a deep dish smaller diameter steering wheel & a -3 degrees of camber front -1.5 rear, keep toe at 0......completely transforms the driving feel, a lil twitchy but rotates like a dream
I think one of the things I hate about the E36 are the headliner and the window regulators, easy to replace but the door loiners are very delicate and usually require some kind of repair before putting them back on. Seen a lot of these cars in mt time. Working on them for 18 yrs
+John Morris seems like you know your way around and E36
best handling car for its purpose andnot only...always felt quite responsive to me and yes i have tried the type-r and this seems more balanced...im curious though about this build...anyway nice video and yes the m3 is a better car than many...
3D print re: the cup holders. I don't have experience in 3D printing but it came to mind considering how it's a pop in pop out part.
swap out for a 95 center console. my cup holders actually work lmao.
+GRENAgaDE I'll have to look into that!
Gearbox wise, you can install a 6 speed from the e46 but you need to use a custom prop shaft. If you're really annoyed about he 5 spd, just look it up online, there's plenty of info on how to install a 6 spd. Btw, love your car! Also, about the steering rack, look up "purple rack retrofit" and also rubber doughnut delete. IIRC, there's a plug and play replacement thing from the e34 which deletes the rubber thingy for a solid aluminium part.
For cup holders. Use a hole saw to cut them out and buy the the illuminated cup holder on geek or wish and hot glue it down. I used some front junkyard to practice on
97 e36 328i owner. almost 270,000 miles on it.. daily driven. mine is a euro model. same useless cupholders and i use it to hold my house keys. steering wheel has tilt only, no telescopic. problem is.. once you've gotten the best position for your legs.. the steering wheel is too far away. My e36 definitely isn't the fastest car on the road, but it sure is the most fun to drive.
I just bought a mint e36 320i, first old BMW, I'm excited to work on it.
My 1993 318i E36 also has fixed non-adjustable steering wheel. I thougt it was because it is a cheap, basic trim level, but now I know that it's the same as in the M3, so that's actually a good thing, It has something in common with the M3 :D
You could take a holesaw to the rim of the cupholder and have a stainless steel insert to slide in and secure with glue, that way you have a bigger holder and the stainless will look nice, have it powder-coated for better colors if you’d like too
CDV delete is a must. I used to feel like my clutch "got tired" when driving around town.
We've chatted about this on Facebook, but you can source an E46 330 ZHP rack for around $150 from a salvage yard, and that will help your steering somewhat also. You could wait to find a Z4M Coupe rack, which is even faster, but they're quite rare.
Finally, I'm expecting a 3D printed cup holder from a friend - I'll post some pictures on your FB page when I get it. I've seen good replacements once or twice, similar to E46 cup holders, but could never find them again when it was time to buy.
Overall not a bad thing when you can fix most of your complaints!
+Josh Mason yeah man once you get that holder you'll have to let me know! Thanks for all the info!
Solution to clutch delay valve is to remove it. The steering rack might be slow, but you get good road feel through it.
My options were 350z and E36 as well.. Went with the e36 cause I got a really good deal on it so I went with it!
+jdmfuentes awesome man!
Got the 350 and have no regrets
Have you come across any things you did not like ? Insurance price or high price repairs?
I personally haven't had any major issues, and my insurance is 50 bucks a month
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Really late to this comment, you probably wont reply but its worth a shot. How old are you and where abouts do you live?
There is cup holder rings that fit in your cup holder to hold better. My friends came with it but I've found them at the junk yard or even on ebay
The cup holder in my 1996 works well enough. It’s just a single diameter and most cups and water bottles fit good and secure. Another person commented to get a cup holder from a ‘95. The one in my ‘96 is probably the same part.
Try and find the Origin Equipment cup holder. Got it for my e36 a year or two back and it is by far my favorite upgrade for the e36. Only problem is they seemed to vanish but worth a shot finding a used one
If I remember correctly, I think the obd1 cars have a different styling on the cup holders. It also has an insert for can. Not sure if they are removable or not, its been a while since I've stepped foot into my 95.
I have a e36 M3 coupe as well. The cup holders are actually called can holders, and actually work well for that application. You should also be able to move your ash tray up in the console so the two holders can be side by side and hide neatly under your arm rest. Don't drive to often with a can, but they fit down low enough to be covered by the arm rest as well.
+John Morris interesting! I didn't know that. Thanks for the input man!
I've figured out that only cans fit so that actually makes sense!!! Even really long tall cans fit so I'm just going to start buying cans of things to drink when I'm just dying of thirst on longer drives.
Anytime I get fast food I just ask for a drink holder (usually one designed for two) and set the single drink in the holder against the front passenger floor board haha
+thirtysixnick haha nice man! I might have to start doing that.
Perhaps the cupholders from the e46 will work, i had in mine that where freaking awesome, wether a large soda or a small can of red bull
I'm tall torso 6' flat. I love the seating position but, holy cow it can be a bit of a pain on longer drives.
Corbuea seats have solved a bit of my head room issues.
I actually like 5 speeds heh. Swap rear ends for more highway cruising friendliness.
+Christopher Taft I'm long legs short torso. Bad combination for a good driving position lol.
You still need a cupholder upgrade? There are a few designs people have don't for 3D printers. I'm thinking about printing one off for my E36 convertible. Also going to replace all the plastic covers missing in my car.
To fit your legs better and still be able to reach the steering wheel good, you have to incline your seat back up. Like me you probably recline your seat back. Try to find a balance of sliding your entire seat back and play around with the recline/incline... or just buy a new seat that bolt straight to the floor board. Set it up for you and only you and bolt her down. This will give you more head room. I do this is race cars.
I’m also 6’4” and my 328i also has a fixed steering wheel. I know EXACTLY what you’re talking about!
Add the trunk latch tend to bend and crack making the trunk not work. Its been a common issue on my E36s
The European spec cars came with more options, they wanted to sell it at a more competitive price in the US so a lot of options were lost. For instance a six speed manual, upgraded rear diff and upgraded breaks. The European spec cars were optioned with an adjustable wheel but only in height not length.
No ones or nothing is perfect - this is as close to perfect a car can be :p, i would love a 6th though
I suggest a BBTB, i just installed the riot racing one, is decent. It does need some adjustment with initial throttle actuation, however once it gets going the engine is much much more responsive, I am at 4th sometimes and it feels like I am in 5th.
Maybe heat it up a little and put a can in and try to get the bottom indent to form around the can which should make it wide enough
I have a Z3 rack, the difference is marginal at best. Real solution is 1: get a square wheel setup. The stagger looks amazing but makes it feel like shit. 2: I'm told you can use a Z4 M coupe steering rack and pinion unit and it will feel like a brand new car.
nojapshit just the information i am looking for. I got another one. I am about to go to get one of these, but i wanted in auto trans
Since E36 M3 with SMG is kinda rare. Do you have any swap information about what is the best auto trans for E36 M3 ? Thanks in advance
The best auto trans for the E36 is the manual. Just do it. Square tires, new steering rack.
1995 M3 Coupe here. NO Clutch Delay Valve baby...96'+ years only.
I know I'm late to the show, but I cut away the bottom of the cup holder with my Dremel plastic blade. I had to also cut away some of the console on both side so a simple can of soda or a bottle of water would fit. My next plan is to find a black plastic cup and use the bottom of it to glue onto the remaining top half of the cup holder. I also notice my coin holder didn't hold nickels. Not sure if maybe the car was made for Germain coins instead.
Just buy a euro spec cup holder I found one for $91 that fits the e36 m3 but I believe it depends on the year
I can likely CAD and 3d print a cup holder, but i will need to know the dimensions
Hey I pulled a centre console out of a 325i at the junkyard. It was all one unit, two cup holders and a change holder. Check out some early model non-m's
+Kevin Graham I'll have to look into that! You're actually the second person to suggest it so must be legit!
I've had the same cup holder issue . To solve my problem I put a koozie on everything and it's rides stable . Keeps your drinks cold and actually keeps the drink sweat from dripping though those stupid teeth in the bottom and shorting out those stupid little light bulbs .
i have owned a lot of cars in the last 5 years. Multiple 350z, toyota soarer 1JZ, wrx, is200 (+T), Is300, e46 325ci, e36 318is...... and so on
My favourite is my e36 318is and is200. I still have 318is. I'm surprised to hear you would consider a 350z over an m3, given i majorly prefer my 318is with m44 over my previous z's. I would think an m3 would be leaps and bounds ahead, but i guess it depends on your driving style and preferences.
Most of the rwd cars I owned were setup to drift, the e36 (other than the diff) doesn't need much tuning to drift. the handling is really nimble, enjoyable in regular driving conditions, and it takes such little effort to slide it. I have been sliding this car on stock suspension, and it's handling it a with as much ease as the 350z which had all the typical suspension fruit. I'm really looking forward to getting some coilovers in the 318is next week.
Although, everyone has different preferences for driving, i know some people that LOVE the 350z, and i certainly enjoyed both of mine, enough to get a second one. the first one was my 'learner' drift car. I also loved the is200/300, and hold them on the same pedestal as e36. But to me, the 350z is more of a sports car, suited for high speed stability and grip. e36 feels more like a car intended to drift and beat on.
I wonder if others share similar experiences. Ultimately I love all the mentioned cars, each for different reasons. My personal preference is the e36 because of it's driving style
There are some things i dislike about the e36 though, which i will mention here.
-Firstly, yeah the cupholder situation is terrible. mine actually doesn't have any options for that at all haha
-Secondly, the steering wheel diameter feels too large for this car. 385mm diameter is so large for a car that is so light and nimble. it's like a bus steering wheel lol
-Thirdly, the steering wheel feels really close to the driver, i wish i could tilt it backwards. but I do generally have bad driving posture, if I sit up normally this issue doesn't exist anymore. it's probably also amplified by the steering wheel size being so large.
-Fourth, the sump plug. BMW engineered it to break in half if you over torque it, but i guess over the years it became further weak. mine snapped off inside the sump long ago, before my hand tool even made much resistance. I wonder how many sump plugs are in my sump, i read a technican pulled a sump from someones car (non bmw) and found many many halves of sump plugs
-Fifth, on the door cards, the door handle is so close to the driver. If it were further down it would be easier to access. BMW did resolve this in the e46, so I cannot complain.
I can't think of any other things right now. I don't have many complaints about this car, it really suits my preferences
One thing i want to mention about the 350z, that car has the best seating position versus any car i've ever sat in. that car is amazing for driving position, and has a lot of adjustabilty. the leather seats unfortunately feel like youre sitting on rocks though :P
youre awesome man. great content, subd.
+Peter R. Thanks man! Welcome to the channel!
The solution for your position on your car pass for buying an after marker deep dish steering wheel... i know that its not OEM, but you can find prettys ones out there
2:24 oh, you mean that 'sweet' 350Z with the dented in rear quarter panel ? ; P
Hey treats on the streets, I noticed you have a little dial near your shifter and I was gonna ask what does yours do? I have one very similar and it's next to my lights and I have no idea what it's for
It was for the sub woofer that I took out because I never listen to music in that car
@@TreatsOnTheStreets o nice, mine was already there when I bought mine and it makes all my gauges go nuts idk what it does. I can try sending u a video on how it works
Why would you need a cup holder on an M3?
You could get a 3D printed one. I've printed some minor interior stuff for my vw jetta and they come out good
I was just gonna suggest this
I just got a dash mount one and mounted it there
3D print a new cupholder! When I get my 328i in a few days, I'll model one!
Did you end up modeling it yet? A good 3D model seems like our best bet here
@@solereeper3955 I didn't have to!! There's a few on thingiverse. I haven't gotten around to printing one yet, but I will soon!
Was it printed?
After watching you video, my advice would be by a nice daily driver and a sports car. You can't have it all if you are on a budget.
Ok. I’m new here. But that sounded amazing. What engine and exhaust have you put in that 36?
+Waddles engine is the same one the came in the car stock. It has a Dinan intake and exhaust though! Thanks for watching!
Treats On The Streets awesome! I’ll look into that intake and exhaust for my m3!
Hey man love your videos! Any way I could get featured in your related feature channels tab? i have a small channel but it it is growing and could definitely use a little help in the exposure area! Btw i have you featured already so keep up the good work!
+Bimmer Dude hey! Yeah I think I've seen one of your install videos before. To be honest, I'm not even sure what/where that is. I just make videos lol. Not too educated on the technical side of it all. I'll have to look into it though and figure it out! Keep it up!
haha no worries man! and thank you!
I've been following your channel for a while and really enjoy your videos. I've noticed in some of your shots that you have a gauge pack in the little storage slot near the shifter. Where did you get that and what gauge's are included? Might make a good video (maybe you already did one and I haven't found it yet...).
Hey man, thanks for being a part of the channel. I've mentioned it a few times in fandom videos. They're VDO gauges. They came already in the car when I bought it so I can't tell you where to get them, but a Google Search should come up with what you need. The 3 I have are voltage, oil pressure, and oil temp. VDO actually supplied OEM gauges for BMW in a few cars like the z3 m, so the color and font is an exact match for the gauges in the cluster.
OK, thanks. If I figure out where I can get them, I will put a post up.
Hey, I found the gauge cluster, here's the link www.leatherz.com/collections/armrests/products/mark2-armrest-with-2-cupholder-base (and while you are there, you check out their fix for one of your 'hates'--the cupholders). Looks like they figured out a better mousetrap. Check out their Mark 2 armrest with improved cupholders and storage. Pricey, but looks like they will address your concern... I think I am going to go for the gauges with oil pressure, temp and water temp gauges. How do you like the ones you have?
Thanks for posting that man. I like the gauges I have now, but I do want a more accurate water temp gauge than the oem one in the cluster.
Check out their site. The one I am going to buy is the one that has a water temp gauge (seems like a more critical E36 with the cooling system issues... You could probably just buy the water temp sending unit and gauge and take out the voltmeter...
mine tilts but sadly is not "telescopic"
At 7:00 the 12v adapter port has a sad face.
I have a 1998 328is, hate the cup holders too, I use them for change. The fixed steering wheel is something that German's thought was the perfect position, they say you should adjust your seat accordingly. I disagree with that concept and BMW has changed it since, people of different body types need to tilt it differently. If a person is really tall like you are, not ideal, or if you are short like me, I had to raise the seat up and forward, still the steering wheel was too far tilted forward. I like the steering wheel just slightly tilted, almost no tilt. That sloppy steering has an issue IMO, there is no way there should be that much play in the steering. Mine isn't even an M3 and it turns on a dime, I'm not sure what year yours is, maybe in 1998 they improved it. Beautiful car though, I am selling mine as we speak and I am going to miss it..timeless car. I got a 2015 328i, and I honestly like the old E36 look better. 225k on it, got tired of stuff breaking, time to move on. Probably worth practically nothing, only thing it has going for it is it is a 328i sport 2 door, which you can't find anywhere, they just didn't make a whole lot of them. One thing that is really impressing about the 2015 328i is the N20 engine they put in them. Not bad turbo lag, but I hate the steering...they completely numbed it down. I had a loaner 2019 328i and the steering on it was drastically better. So in 2020, it's probably back to where it should be. No 328i anymore in 2020, just the 330i.
You said you were new to RWD? Damn man does that wheel control say otherwise 👍🏻👍🏻
+Alex Brown haha thanks man! Luckily I live where there's snow so I've had good opportunities to slide around in various cars quite a bit.
Cut out the last ring of the cupholder and just Do some fabricating
You can 3d print a cup holder
I got my 323i vert for 2k and its clean
My 328i has completely different center area thing. I also know that you can take that peice out. Maybe get a 328 one???
+Cordell Ruzewski I have a buddy with a 328. I'll have to check his out!
he's put an aftermarket gauge cluster in the area you put your sunglasses ........
Use cut off wheel to cup holder is what I did 😂😂
I have a similar problem with regards to height - I am 6'2 and I have an e46.. however the problem is that my legs are actually longer than average, compared to the length of my arms, which means my knees sit just s high as yours and my arms are still a bit too stretched out :(.
Tall people problems.... haha. The struggle is real.
The rear cupholder in my 95 M3 fits cans and fast food cups perfectly, the front one is as worthless as yours.
My e92 m3 in 7th gear is sitting at 3500 ish. Talk about great gas mileage.
I have a 92 M3 sedan cherry red
You know, the cupholder problem ... there's a solution, which was tested long time before. Press brake, enter a bar, shop, whatever, drink, then get into your car.
Love my boosted g35 coupe
However, I've always wanted an e36 or e46 m3... maybe I'll pick one up as a daily/project
Nice video as well!
+4feeterszwagier fun car! Yeah, with either of the bimmers I think you'd definitely enjoy them as well. Thanks for watching!
I know this is a year old but Do it!!! I also own a low mileage G35 Coupe and I’m doing full bolt ons. I also just picked up a e36 328i with 171k miles on it and it’s in really rough shape, but it’s a fun car and I’m turning it into my ultimate daily/ project car.
What are the risk of removing the clutch delay valve??? I’m looking to remove it and need to know because it’s so annoying in my opinion!
+Daisuke's just more driveline shock. Greater risk of transmission damage from popping the clutch.
Thank you . And I’m always waiting for new videos 👍🏼
I've removed mine a couple years ago. I rarely drive it as hard as Treat does, but have had no issues thus far.
American small cups is European large. Medium is 33cl here.
how much will you sell or old s52 once you swap to the s54
+Paul Morris I'm not swapping an s54, just the 6 speed transmission from an e46. It will work with the s52.
Make a cup holder out of fiber glass 🤙
Cup holders? You mean coin holders right? They work awesome for holding your change from the drive thru! LOL
😂
Hi man, Im as tall as you are, do you know if you can fit in a z4 (e85)
I've never been in one before. I'd imagine you can, just might be a tight fit. I've owned smaller fitting cars before like a mazdaspeed3 and it wasn't that bad
Talk to someone with a 3D printer and give them the cup holder. Then they can make you one that will fit a cup properly !
Height issue isn’t valid since in a 350z u won’t have a place at all since no space at all and getting a detachable steering wheel might help, I’m 6,1 and used to love 350z until I sat in one. Still love it it’s just not much space, at least the m3 has 5 seats haha
Never mind at end you brought the steering wheel up haha
What was that beeping when the other guy in the 99 pulled uo next to him?
My radar detector
Ooh okay haha, I've seen them in other videos before but first I've heard then beep like that😂
the main thing i hate about th7s e36 is the seat, no support for your neck and head , it is a huge risk.
Does e46 cupholders fit into e36??
I don't think so unfortunately
cdv clutch delay valve . You can removed it. other Cars like Mercedes doesnt have one
That steering speed is odd... My 1991 325i E36 seems much better than that? I wonder if that's another U.S E36 thing? I'm in Australia in case you're wondering about the 91' E36 :P
Sean Kretschmann 325i used the Getrag transmission. All US e36m3 uses a ZF tranny. The ratios are a little off since the Getrag in your 325i 5spd has an overdrive
S2000 the only other car you listed worth being compared to this future classic
how is your m3 a 99 with manual seats? my 98 has power seats
+Omar Kirbi it was an option
Treats On The Streets it’s probably better since the power seats are really heavy.
could do a euro delete on the cup holder all together
+Burnout Beats Productions I guess that's another option!
in europ we all complain about your luxery interiour...and we all want us bumpers lol here we dont even have cupholders in most e36
3d printing will solve your cup holder problem
You would have hated the 1 cupholder in the 350z even more hahah 😂🤣 if it wasnt broken to begin with
You can make you're own cup holders my brother in law made custom cup holder for my e36 there not that hard to make
+Daniel Salas how did he do it?
sounds like you would have to 3D Print your own cup holders
un tio que agarra asi el volante.. viene a dar alguna leccion??
Sand the edges of the cup holder down
In order of hate(=P):
1 - Dig through bimmerforums. Someone is working on a 3D printed solution.
2 - Only the 94 325 came with a tilt wheel . You can retrofit this but it requires you to change out quite a bit including the shaft. For a list of what you need look up a 94 325i on realoem.com
3 - Well, you're already taking care of that.
4 - CDV is definitely dumb. I also plan on getting rid of mine soon.
5 - Swap in a Z3, E46 ZHP, or E46 330i steering rack. Direct swap and faster. A smaller wheel will reduce the amount your arms have to move but the turn ratio is still the same regardless. In other words you'll still end up having to turn the wheel the same amount, it'll just feel different. Perhaps a little tougher due to smaller radius.
LockDots my 95 325ic has a tilt wheel
+WreckLesz BeamerZ lucky!
Treats On The Streets lol I know! My first e36 98 323is didn’t have it I thought it was so weird that any e36 cake equipped with one.
It was mainly available in 94 but, some early 95's got it as well.
LockDots my 92 325is has a tilt column
Drifts nice
+PDX DAT sure does!
S52 ftw!
+Basile Bishop haha that's right!
I’m 6’6 and fit fine🤷🏼♂️
In Europe we have a completely different engine built by M. (321 hp) , in the United States is it's a shame that they only got a 328i engine , modded to 3.2. What a rip-off
My solution to the janky cupholder / coin dispenser / ashtray thing was to just replace it with a non-armrest console- which deletes the whole thing altogether. My main reason was that the armrest position wasn't comfortable for me and I really hated the whole cupholder setup. For me it seemed to cheapen the interior and looked like it was just tacked on for US buyers. I think the non-armrest console was from a 318i? Can't remember, its been a while but I got it used on ebay. It was a pretty simple job to change it but if I recall I needed to get a small bracket from bmw to attach it properly under the ashtray at the rear of it. It can occasionally be a pain not having a cupholder at all, but I don't drink in the car much so it's not a huge deal for me. Looks like this www.dropbox.com/s/4rquvw12yrvh5uk/M3center_console.jpg?dl=0
PS great videos, keep it up! I dig that deep front lip you got, think I'll pick one up..
Oh cool man! I've seen those before and thought about doing it. Maybe that's what I'll end up with.
Don't see a black one at the moment but here's a beige listing.. www.ebay.com/itm/51-16-8-162-673-Center-Console-E36-BMW-Beige-/172724745160?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
forgot to mention the cubby at the front (in my picture) is a separate part that snaps in.. you can see in the ebay listing there's holes for mounting
My euro 318i Exklusiv Edition has a tilt wheel. ;)
+Matt Foster kiiina jealous
kiiina jealous of your s50 tho... ;)
+Matt Foster love the s50/s52!
When my car grows up it wants to be just like yours
😂👍