What Are Natlan's 6 Major Tribes? [Genshin Impact Lore Theory and Speculation] (v4.6)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Impressive pronunciation for someone who isnt mexican! Bravo aster!!! This is one of your better vids lately. As much as I love the harbinger lore and mond lore I think diving deep into natlan lore will be a boon for this channel.
Of all the regions, natlan will likely be the most diverse region culturally and most colorful as far as the characters and the cultures its referenced. Cant wait for it to come out!!!
Just to spice a little, but Tupac is an Incan name. As the names of characters from the other source of Natlan lore that we have at hand, the new artifact "Unfinished Reviere", Sakkuk is an reference to a Mayan Queen from seventh century, Yupanqui, is an reference to a Inca Emperor, Atawallpa and Waskar, were the two prince brothers that was fighting each other for the throne of their father when Pizarro reach the Andes and started the conquering of the Incan Empire. So studing only astec lore, probably will not be enough, Aster.
Natlan to me, appears to be more a inspiration to ALL Spanish/Portuguese cultural influenced world. All the colonies of those two, their indigienous people and the clash/miscigenation culture between then. As other people pointed out, all those names refering so far are linked by one thing. All these places and peoples, had became spanish or portuguese colonies at some point.
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As a mexican it is really amazing hearing Aster talking about our lore
I hope i can a hear a mention of peru in the future xd
mexico lore mexico lore
But she doesn't mention the Spanish part......because......that would be the MAIN lore
I get you, as a Slav, I'm waiting for Snezhnaya soo much, as Mihoyo tends to use all countries in regions as inspiration, and not one specific country, so I hope not only Russian myths, but Ukrainian, Polish, Croatian, Czech, and all other Slavic countries[I would name them all, but don't want to make this post a list.] It feels nice when cultures that are not "mainstream" are noticed.
a thing i noticed when digging around the natlan tribes is that all of the african tribes mentioned in it are either places from which portugal and spain acquired slaves from or that were their allies during the americas colonial period.
yansan (who is like the only character from natlan we actually get to see so far) is interestingly related to this as her name comes from a yoruba diety that became sincretized with Saint Barbara by the catholic church in Brazil.
it makes me wonder just how many of the tribes will be Brazil references (suddenly those promotional arts of genshin caracters in mexico and in Rio de janeiro during carnival start looking like hints)
Not really. They included Ethiopian, Kenyan, Amazigh names in it too. Same thing with Mali, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Burkina Faso. So yeah not all of it has ties to Spain or Portugal. Natlan is 100% Native Americans and Africa. People are trying so hard to enforce Spain it’s so wired. The music in the trailer was literally African and they used African and South American canyon and landscape, no European.
@@WackyChuhonestly i wish it was somewhat inspired in spain a big part of mexico and peru's is influenced by the spanish.
@@WackyChuand unlike the africans or the native Americans of the north hispanicamerica wasn't a "colony"
@@WackyChu i mean depending on how you stand on leaks...
The apparent Archon uses spanish matador clothes with a brazillian carnival mask.
So yeah Europe (spain and portugal to be precise) are part of natlan; with portugal being the more indirect of the 2 unless people consider the empire of brazil to be portugal 2.0
@@matheusbianquincera3104 Well, if you consider that for a period during the napoleonic war when the royal family fled to Brazil they made Rio the capital of Portugal, being the only European capital out of Europe in history; you can make some connections between Brazil and Portugal.
Also, an interesting point I noticed is that Iansan, the genshin character name looks a bit mixed in the spelling. She's named after the Orisha Ọya, with one of her name/ titles being Yàńsàn-án or Yansã. The curions thing is that in latin america we spell it as Iansã or Iansá, with an I; which, at least from what I could see, they don't spell it with an I in Yorubá, but with an Y (I might be wrong, but I only found mentions of it being spelled with an I in latin america, if I'm wrong feel free to correct me), and at least here in Brazil I never see anyone spelling her name with the ending "an", as we write that sound as "ã". So Iansan's name sorta seems to be a mix of the original Yorubá spelling and the latin american adaptated spelling, which I find somewhat interesting. I might be entirely wrong here and it is just spelled like that in Yorubá too as a variant of the spelling, but I couldn't find it ever being spelled like that aside from the Genshin wiki about the character.
Impressive pronunciation :O You got every syllable without giving up
RIGHT?? it sounds correct.
Its satisfactory, although Nahuatl being multiple languages with different pronunciations so some of the nahua words seem a bit wrong to me but maybe it's an alternate pronunciation. @@TyBe-uo4ud
You use pesos but people here dont seem to talk like you're from South or Central America, so Im guessing you live in the Philippines?
Correct, if you watch her livestream she talked about it when the heatwave is engulfing the SEA
@@thaqifkhirudin6610 I dont, I just come here to listen to her ideas and speculations from time to time. Genshin theories are beautiful
It's central America especially tenochtillan and mayan maybe.......that's why at the sneak peak video of Natlan they didn't show us the Architecture and demographic of the city of Natlan...not like sumeru and fontaine sneak peak......because maybe the city of natlan wasn't the residences of Natlanian Anymore......
You can check her interview with Sevvy
@@Sora-kaslana I was talking about Aster's living place, ehm...
Oh good lord and here we thought fontanian french names were hard to pronounce…
buena suerte gente uwu
@@pato_el_pato5540spanish is so much easier than nahuatl, if all the names are based off nahuatl were cooked but if it's spanish were chilling. thanks for wishing us luck tho
Huh, I’d think Spanish is easy for most people other than English
@@ft.jackjimmy7282 natlan is probably gonna be pre-columbian languages, so like nahuatl. so u get fun words like "huitzilopochtli" (i think i spelt that right) who is an aztec god
its ok to have a game be your first window into a mythology or religion, personally i find it very flattering that you even gave the time of day to look into the 13 heavens and dissect them in this video. i dont really think genshin will use them them to the extent presented here, likely just nanatzcayan for one tribe and then different etymologies for the other 5 tribes, reflecting their respective cultural influences. though now that im typing this i realize that its possible the 6 tribes might be wholey African but with Nahuatl naming systems, much like how liyue had a lot of latin with some of its names, like Rex Lapis or the Millelith. regardless im happy to see you cover Topan here, its not something that gets talked about as often as the aztec underworld and i do kinda wanna see more games and stories adapt it for heavenly structures. its just really beautiful how it layers different celestial phenomenon
Amazing pronunciations! I was not ready for that lmao 😭 just a few notes tho, Nahuatl is transcribed using Spanish letters and pronunciation, so the H would be silent, and U would for the most part be W, and CH is always CH as you would pronounce it in Cheetos. Other than that, amazing job!
and to add, if it even needs to be said, is that TL is always a single sound, not two.
Im at work right now so I can’t comment longer, but I’ve been studying Mesoamerican mythology for about 5 years now (for my book) and I can help you find resources and even provide some translations for papers and books written in Spanish. If this is something you’re interested in, just let me know 😂 I’ve been thinking of making videos on all the cool mythological things I have linked to Genshin, but I would be just as happy to help other creators with their stuff as well. The more knowledge that is spread around, the better.
Unfinished Reverie artifact also mentioned 6 places: the canyons(associated with the mines, so likely the land of Nanatzcayan), the hanging trees, the spring's source, the fertile lands, the mountain peaks, and the mysterious smoke. I wonder if “Smoking Mirror” is related to the mysterious smoke.
Today is finding out that Aster also watches Overly Sarcastic
I was hoping African names would be mentioned in this theory, but it doesn’t seem like it. I think 3 tribes have Central American names and 3 have African, due to Talking Stick lore having mostly African names. Maybe those old African tribes were wiped out with only 3 of them left.
EDIT: omg thank you for mentioning Talking Stick’s African names 🥹 I love your pronunciation of the names too. Please look more into African mythology. There are many dragons.
Check the references of Wikipedia articles for books about Africa!
Muhuru and Kongamatos, names I recognize very well, I'm hopeful that some amount of African culture will be sprinkled into Natlan lore too. I'm East African (Mozambican) so I was hyped for Natlan because rumors were it would be a mix of African and Native American culture
Edit: I'll be so unbelievably pissed if we only get 1 or 2 brown skinned characters in Natlan and all the rest are, ahem, "pale".
Same, I also hope for a substantial amount of African culture in Natlan. I’ve been losing hope but the African music in the trailer made me hopeful I’ll again
@@hatguyfan22 African music? I don't think we watched the same trailer then. If you mean the trailer with the little Pokémon dragon thingies then.....my guy 🫠🫠 I'm going to take an educated guess and say you're probably not African 🤣🤣 which is cool! Totally fine! No shame, I'm sorry if my response comes off a certain way, it's just that calling that "African music" is hilarious, like genuinely funny 😂 and if you are African, then damn brother
I think natlan is like 60% african and 40% south american
@@tsunaka I will literally, genuinely, send you money if that's true but let's be real, it's far more likely to be 80% Native American and like 20% African
@@Leothemoose smh, i got african family members and have listened to the music. I've researched and studied MY culture. I'm not going to point out each region I think the music sounds like. That's too much.
Sumes also pointed out the instruments used within the trailer are from Africa. Read the description of their recreation of the song. They're a musician and know what they're talking about.
Do you think the Natlan trailer music has roots in South America or something? Towards the end with the guitars it literally sounds like the 90s music Lebo M would make from his album Rhythm of the Pride Lands.
Sorry to blow up on you but for someone to assume MY race when I'm literally caring more about Natlan's Central/East/West/South African representation more than a lot of theorists/creators makes me kinda mad :/
Aight, so I posted this comment in your 2nd latest Community post, but I'm gonna post this here again for others to see. Sorry for the long yap in advance
This is a comment just sorting out some terms and other things in relation to the Aztecs and Natlan:
• linguistics:
○ (Classical) Nāwatl, it used to be called Nāwatlahtōlli ("clear sound", in contrast to popoloca ("to speak unintelligibly")) but got shortened into Nāwatl. The variety spoken by the Aztecs is called Mēxihcacopa ("in the manner of Mēxihcah") or Mēxihcatlahtōlli ("Mēxihcatl language"). There was also a "High Nāwatl" besides the one spoken by commoners. AFAIK Nāwatl was a pretty poetic language (which is why Hernán Cortés misinterpreted the words said by Motēcuhzōma Ⅱ Xōcoyōtzin, "My house is your house", (or something like that) as him capitulating) and didn't have a fixed order like S-V-O like in English
○ singular:
□ -catl (when it comes to people)
□ -tl (when it comes to animals / inanimate objects)
○ plural:
□ -cah (when it comes to people)
□ -meh (when it comes to animals / inanimate objects)
○ r/nahuatl goes more into detail about the grammar and how plural forms were mostly used for animate objects and inanimate objects that are metaphorically animate and how pluralization is to an extent an Español import and therefore not a fixed rule
○ or ⟨⟩ is used when encircling characters and // for the sound they make. [] is used for a more accurate phonetic representation, meaning not as broad as //
○ are longer pronounced, (macron) designates here the long sound. Yep, the distinction is very important if you wanna visualize the pronunciation, I'm not sure if speakers of Nāwatl differentiate when writing though. The Spaniards didn't differentiate between short and long vowels because they're regarded as allophones in Español which is why it's kinda hard to tell which vowels in a certain Nāwatl word are pronounced either short or long
○ is a digraph and a co-articulated sound/consonant and therefore pronounced together as /t͡ɬ/, think of being pronounced together as /t͡ʃ/. < ͡> (combining double inverted breve) is the symbol to designate co-articulation
○ is pronounced like the glottal stop /ʔ/, like that pause when you say "uh-oh". In some older transcriptions of the language, this sound is represented by the character
correction, Wanjiru was mentioned in Talking Stick, not Unfinished Reverie. I've checked and there is no mention of Wanjiru within it.
RUclips may have hidden my reply but this won't discourage me
Before talking about the video itself, I wanna clarify that Maya is a language family like Indo-European or Sino-Tibetan, not an ethnicity like English nor a ethno-linguistic group / language branch like Germanic or Nāwatl (this also means Nāwatl doesn't have a standardized script since many Nāwatl languages are mutually unintelligible)
I also wanna clarify my anthropological vocab: A tribe is a sub-group of an ethnicity which in most cases emerged from a sub-sub-group (a clan, which is an extended family) of an ethnicity. A race is a group of people that get classified as one simply because of a similar phenotype/appearance trait (like skin color), even though they might not even speak languages from the same language family or don't identify as related people themselves. A nation is sometimes just a synonym to ethnicity, but this term is used mostly for people with similar social status who live in the same area, like in a caste system or people who practice the same religions or jobs, this is where terms like "Vodun nation" or "nation of the proletariat" make sense
1:52
Now here's the thing: It is true that there is an excavation site of Tula/Tōllān/Mämeni and that the Mēxihcah referred to the Tōltēcah as their ancestors and mysticized them, but that may just was a way for the Mēxihcah to legitimize their rule, which they did pretty often to romanticize their political image, for this they also married nobles from Cōlwahcān. We don't know if the people at the locality of Tula were even Nāwatl yet alone Aztēcah (not every Nāwatlācatl group claimed that they came from Aztlān), they might have been a nation made up of both Nāwatlācah and Hñähñu (Otomi), see Twitter replies by Majora__Z about the Tōltēcah and ethnonyms on 10/30/2023 and on 03/12/2024 under a reply for him on 11/24/2023
2:02
In my orthography, it'd be Ilwicatl-Nanatzcayān. I write this because it took me some while to figure out which vowel is spoken long and that can be confusing because the Spaniards did mark pronounced syllables with the diacritic (acute), but ≠ . The Spaniards maybe also used (grave) and (circumflex), while the latter is used as a replacement for in other transcriptions for languages with long vowels like Nihon-go/Japanese but it wasn't used for Nāwatl, or leastways not in the picture of a Nāwatl text in the German Wikipedia site about Nāwatl
Also, obsidian is a material used by the people of Zēmānāwac pretty often, like in weapons like the famous mācawitl (plural: mācawimeh) that was used even by Spaniards. We know it existed because there are several drawings in codexes of mācawimeh but the weapon itself was never found in any excavation sites. All pictures of that weapon IRL are modern constructed mācawimeh
6:52
Just wanted to say that _teōtl_ means 'God', the plural _tēteoh_ means 'Gods'
7:45
Not sure if this is true, but I once read in a Twitter post that Native Americans knew of fossils and I think also were the first people who saw fossils, so maybe that's the reason there are Saurians in Natlān
Edit: I wasn't totally right but also not totally wrong, watch the Instagram reel from @/eonsshow on 01/12/2024 for more information if you're interested
9:18
I sadly don't know anything about that book you mentioned, but the codexes are always good sources. The Florentine Codex / Códice Florentino / La Historia General de las Cosas de Nueva España by Fray Bernardino de Sahagún is a bilingual (Español + Nāwatl) collection of 12 books documenting Mēxihcatl religion, life, education, economics, culture, rituals, society, etc. DJPC also mentions some things that were censored in the codexes, like military failures from the Españoles/Spanish being excluded for example
That shall be it. Personally, I'd love it if HoYoverse wouldn't just mish-mash cultures together that have nothing to do with each other like in Sumeru, but props to them that they actually used African instruments like the marimba (a type of xylophone) and genres like afrobeats. I wish you all a happy hype phase for Natlan
@@ryjitarose5590 um, I think your post would be better as a blog post. More people can see it and learn from it. Try registering for Wordpress and post your comments there. It all looks interesting to me but you sharing this on RUclips means I can’t copy paste some of the names because RUclips mobile doesn’t have copy paste. It also means many won’t find your recommendations.
Ohh yes yes yes thank you SO much for writing all this out, I've just spent ages taking notes, the language nerd in me is SO grateful someone took the time to comment an essay :D I have zero background in this tree of languages so any kind of breakdown like this is like finding buried treasure XD I hate having to run around blind in a new area from not having any etymological context
@@retto1155
I'm just very happy people actually read my comment, you made my day with this reply 😭
good book recommendation. gonna look for that too~
Genshin is also my introduction into this new mythology and I’ll be diving head first along with you :D
I'm starting to get very curious about how the various inspirations for Natlan break down. The tribes names seem to all be Nahuatl, people names are half Nahuatl and half from various places in Africa, dragons are almost all African, and there's even a few Plains Indian references thrown in there.
I want to see the tribe Vanessa originated from
I bet Mondstadt are welcoming those people who are originated from that tribe
And maybe we can even see some of Vanessa's Origin story
they can't leave their nation anyway, because of the curse. I think that the Traveler would be solving this problem for the Archon quest
I have a feeling we will DEFINITELY get vanessa's lore in complete detail and possibly get that through one of her ancestors (current archon?)
I think they’re all dead
I love your pronunciation!
6 tribes of Natlan may represent 6 native of America Archipelago example Mayan, Aztec, Inca and others.
Your pronunciation is very good, although I wouldn't be mad nor blame you for having some mistakes, as even I, who grew up learning about Maya and Aztec civilizations, struggle with the pronunciation 😅
Good job with the prononciations😮
Good theory!
But knowing Hoyoverse, I don't believe that all tribes are based on the same culture. Since, like certain names such as Kuntur, Burkina, Menilek, etc. They are all from different cultures.
I feel like Mihoyo would fuck up those insane Native American lore names for various NPC in Natlan 🗿
Nah, they'll likely name NPCs with random spanish words, "Nacho" "Caliente", "Anzuelo", a lot of Fontaine NPCs are named like that 💀
@IMtiredal They probably do it so English speakers can easily pronounce the words. All the names are pronounced in an english way even when they know the proper pronounciation (like in liyue)
It’s not hoyos fault not every va has insane pronunciation skills
Not hoyo's fault. EN VA directors specifically asked EN VAs to pronounce names in an American accent. In the CN VO, they got Tighnari's name's pronounciation right.
I would suggest people read, The Secret of the Inkas . This is a good primer for anyone interested in why fhe earths and peoples relationship to the heavens and precessional events and markers arising therefeom from which emerged many similar Native American cosmovisions and mythic structures that order Native American Societies. Long live the Puma Clan.
I also forgot to say two months ago! Natlan would actually be pronounced Na-TLAN in real life Nahuatl as TenochtiTLAN would
i gotta say its very impressive how you pronounced all that correctly, but at the same time i must sat that i dont think its going to be all related to maxican culture. its about latam so my best bet all the tribes are gonna have some sort of pre colombian civilizations references. they were plenty.
Man I really hope Natlan has some Nicaraguan influence since we actually called the land of Lakes and Volcanoes.
Bro I'm gonna break my tongue trying to pronounce those names in Natlan. I will just call them by their appearance or just describe the npc and his location (that Npc who has dark skin and stands near a volcano with an umbrella over his head lmao)
everything you see is error. the game itself is an error that we traveler will correct.
Wait did your voice get cuter wait i mean um great video
You are the best aster ❤ cant wait for 5.0 story, dont like how its remind me to australia but must accept it for pyro archon
6:35 how did you managed that 💀
i bet a lot you had fun pronouncing aztec words
Im guessing that there’s still six tribes because of the teaser showing us 6 different saurians
im mexican and even here those words are a struggle to pronunciate, so props to aster for a legit trying to do so
How many takes did you do for pronouncing those name?!
I'm hallucinating that he could pronounce all those names
Can't wait for more Natlan lore with Aster.
aw shucks no polynesian names
How long did it take you to pronounce those names? :)
natlan names 😭
Ugh I know right. The hell. Respect that she tries to pronounce them right. I could never
Ikr 💀
Inconsiderate
LETSGO
4:42 Bennett 👀
love the video!!!
Yay for even more tongue twsisting words! x.x
Holá
As the part of history of Aztec civilization......you forgot the SPANISH part.....😊😊
No, it’s Pre-Colonzation she talking about,
@@1swagevilregalallen479 the lore before....yes....but the current era......😊😊😊
There is no Spanish part because it's pre-colonial!!
@@medeiapsyche you will see
@@Sora-kaslana Uh No, there isnt any Spain influence 😭
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