A simple 2CV Service. Goes wrong. What's up?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- It was going so well! A simple service on my 1986 Citroen 2CV, but I knew something wasn't quite right. Now, who fitted that manifold? Ah...
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How to get rid of oil filters without going the tip:
Step 1: place in a cardboard box
Step 2: place the box in a designated ‘safe place’ in the garage
Step 3: wait 7 days
Step 4: stand in the garage and loudly proclaim ‘I desperately need some used oil filters, I placed them in a safe place in case I needed them’
HEY PRESTO, your oil filters will have magically disappeared thinking you needed them.
Be careful when swapping the manifold some people have been known to replace the original rotten one!!!!!
Sounds like it's only running on two cylinders. :-)
Last time you were going to change the manifold. You took the old one off . Then put it back on instead of the replacement if you remember. All very Hubnut again doh
Always throw down your dipstick and wiping rag onto filthy, wet, gritty ground between readings. Your engine will appreciate those contaminants in the nice clean oil. True HubNuttery!
Classic hubnut ,you got too love him .
Yeah let’s just chuck that rag on the gravelly floor...
@@bevanson meeeeeeeeeh
He's just doing what 90% of people do!
Bothered about pulling the coil lead so you don't get metal to metal for a second or so (never known a trained mechanic do that) but not bothered about gravel staying in the engine for 6 months or more 😂😂😂
You were going to change the plugs so pull them first after you have disrobed the car. No compression then, so the engine turns over easier when you adjust the valve clearances. I believe that screws are prone to coming loose on the carbs with vibration. May also happen if the manifold nuts have been on and off a lot. Threads get a bit loose. Using split type lock washers and nyloc nuts as belt and braces a good idea. Flange distortion common on carbs with 2 hole fixing.
"I've got some other issues as well"
That's crying out to be printed on a t shirt 😁
Hubnut must have a chuckle too all these comments , he is a legend , in the nicest sense .Makes my day , he's just like me , his heart is in the right place , but his tools are everywhere
I'd take it as a Hoody too.
But with a cartoon, of Hub nut holding a tool of some sort
I have had two identical Draper torque wrenches for years now, one stays in the boot of the car, and always left set at the required torque for the wheel nuts. The other lives in the workshop, and I have always slackened the tension back off of that one when not being used. I checked them both last summer, even after 10+ years of being stored in a different way, the pair of them were identical when it came measuring torque! Obviously being Draper they will not be spot on, but i was certainly surprised to find that the two different storage methods made not a difference to how they performed. So much for all my mates that kept telling me that the one stored at 85 foot pounds in the boot of my car would be trashed.
A day in the life of HubNut where nothing quite goes to plan but this is why we love the channel.
I will second that , makes my day , so natural , nothings scripted .
Nothing beats real. More fun
He is UK's answer to ViceGripGarage.
@@thepumpkingking8339 I was thinking that just the other day. I've watched Hubnut for years and have enjoyed every iteration and variation along the way. I only discovered VGG about 3 months ago after finally seeing enough mentions on channels I really enjoy to believe it was worth going to have a look.
I think a big part of the value they both share is plain enthusiasm for what they do and a clearly genuine approach from relatable, great blokes supported by their families. Albeit from very different places, physically and metaphorically!
@@jncg2311 Snap. I have been a long fan of Roadkill but when they went pay only on Motortrend, I went in search of something else and found Hubnut right when Ian got TWC. I subscribed in an instant. But VGG kept popping up in my feed for ages till I watched one last month. I was kicking myself for days as I tried to catch up on his feed. But Derek's southern droll just cracks me up.
The Burton neoprene heat dump tubes are a good upgrade, not only are they a much better fit than the cardboard tubes they also make getting the wings off easier.
Cheers Ian, if only more you-tubers would show these jobs slowly, precisely and in real time. It annoys me when you get an engine strip and rebuild in 20mins, missing out half the job. Also the humour is an added bonus 😀. How is the primula going?
Have you considered getting a Sierra?.
There seems to be a readily available source of spares nearby.
Really enjoyed that Ian it's like going back to the good old days of hubnut, great stuff👌👍
If your anything like me Ian every job I tick off I find at least another one more job to add to the list. 😅
Normally two, and not just cars.
@@highpath4776 It's encouraging to know this afflicts others too.
I was a bit unsure about undertaking jobs on camera for that reason but if it's good enough for Hub Nut it's good enough for me. 😅
I'll second that, but it's usually the mrs that finds me another, "when youv'e finished playing with that there's something important to do"
What I have never found a satisfactory answer to is why does that "big" job I've been putting off for 8 months only take 27 minutes when I finally get around to it?
I can confirm that oil goes absolutely everywhere if you leave the 710 cap off an engine .... :-(
Me too. EVERYWHERE
Ah you had one of those caps that were made ǝpᴉsdn uʍop!
I fitted iridium plugs to my 2cv 2 years ago and every time I have checked them the gap has stayed the same it never seems to get bigger as with normal plugs, and you do notice a difference in starting both hot and cold, I think they are supposed to be good for 100,000 miles,so although expensive they are cost effective. and on a 2cv it saves the damage to heads not having to take them out all the time, so very cost effective in tht way.
100,000 miles! Not in a hubNut vehicle. More like 3000.Not because they wear out it is just the HubNut way of fixing things.
As I understand it you're not supposed to touch/measure the gap on Iridium plugs lest you damage them.
FWIW the Mazda3 Sport here (same engine as the Ford 2l Duratec) has Iridium plugs and the service schedule says replace at 75k miles.
@@Graham_Langley 100k was only what I had heard, I would be surprised if they did go that long, but if it is 75k like your service schedule says that's still very good.
The Toyota ‘hybrid’ engines use them. Probably never looked at during routine service at all, as they are awkward to get at, along with individual coils on top of each one. These engines are required to start and stop as you go along, so it’s essential that they work even when cold, every time.
Ian I enjoyed that.
Can I offer a recommendation for when you remove the carb, check the mating face for being true with a straight edge as the ruddy things warp over the years and some people,no not you ,over tighten to stop induction air leaks.
Moving on to the disposal of used oil filters,could the chaps at the MOT garage be able to help out with a donation to the Tea fund...or even the gift of a couple of high quality Hubnut beverage transport devices
Just remembered the classic episode you refitted the same manifold you'd just removed
Is it bad that I've always just reused copper sump plug washers? I mean I've never had a leak and I don't tighten them like crazy either, they just never seen to give me any issues.
Shouldn't need annealing very often. I'd say once in 10 or more changes.
Plugs which take heat away slowly run hotter which causes them to go white. I always understood that this meant they were hot plugs. There was a risk of damaging the top of a piston. A cool plug that took heat away quickly would be prone to being covered in soot. So the opposite of what you were saying. (mixture has an impact as well). BTW did you set the plug gaps? The iridium plugs (assuming you average 20mph) last at least 60,000 miles. That is double the normal 30,000 mile plug life. Driving in Wales without traffic jams to bring average speed down you could well touch 1/4 million miles on a pair of iridium plugs.
A tappy tappet is a happy tappet. The funniest part of doing tappets is when you can't stop the adjuster moving when you tighten the locknut. It's like when the points gap changes every time you tighten the screw back down. It can make a man go a bit odd.
You say that the spark plug is too cold a plug which is why it has gone white on the tip .... but surely a cold plug is called that because it is conducting a lot of heat away which means the tip never gets hot enough so a build-up of carbon occurs and the plug looks black and oily? A plug which is rated as hot does not conduct much heat away so it gets hot enough to burn off all the carbon and looks white, like yours?
Yeah, I was wrong on that and the white is more likely because that air leak is making her lean.
Hubnuts nutty engines makes my head spin so easy to work on. Not like my citroen c6 she is a real bi••h when trying to service . Guess bigger isn’t alvays better.
The access you get when you remove the wings and bonnet on a 2CV is remarkable. Just the thing when detailing the engine... ah, sorry, I'm commenting on the wrong channel. This is HubNut isn't it!
On a GT6 you get not only fabulous access but a wheel to sit on. Easy and comfortable.
Those plugs looked as if they were running very hot. And just as I'm typing this you discover the inlet air leak. I'm guessing that will be the cause of the weak mixture.
I used to have issues with those two big nuts at the back end of the wings. I think on my yellow 2CV I just used to slot the tangs under rather than risk the threaded rods pulling out.
Yeah, I remember that happening on my first 2CV!
As a 19 year-old I bought a new-to-me beautiful Honda CB400F motorcycle. When I decreed that it needed an oil change, I began to work on the sump plug. It wouldn't budge, so i added more strength, still nothing. Now I went into full gorilla mode and it finally loosened. Then it tightened. Then it loosened again. Slowly, very slowly, a light started flickering in my brain: I had been tightening instead of loosening the plug and ended up stripping the aluminum sump... I was very lucky that my dad was a machinist and was able to repair my mess. I've gotten slightly better at wrenching in the intervening decades.
From time to time, I hear something in metric that grabs my American ears and turns on a light bulb.
"Capacity is around 3 and a half litres."
That's a pretty round number. Not as round as 1 American Gallon...3.785 litres, though.
Any chance of a hub nut pen .Love the video . Keep them coming🏴🚗🚙
Those rocker covers would make lovely little 2CV cake tins if you blocked the hole up :)
The manifold only broke as you knocked over the bucket of success earlier in the video.
I think Hubnut is getting more and more professional and his skills have started to move beyond the mere physical level. In actual fact this has begun to approach the point of 'spiritual' insight. Deeply concerned.
I lasted 2.5 years of driving before I left the oil cap off. Day before MOT, made sure she was topped up. Then went to the shops. Engine sounded bit different but I put that up to pre-MOT worrying, it's just my head. Then it started to smell a bit funny so I pulled over. Oil everywhere. Thank god the cap was on top of the engine still. Got an advisory the next day for an oil leak, which I know full well was just spilled oil. Lesson learned.
Sierra's i want lol love my old school cars but i sertanly have a verry soft spot for a 80's/90's ford
I need a "Not My Sierras" T shirt
Another lovely 30 min video. Love the fact you showed it all and did not edit to bits. Glad Ellie is getting the TLC she deserves. Thanks
Saved some money there. I checked my local dealer service menu and the “something approaching a service” option was over £200! Result.
Service modern - look at everything, tick sheet, if it was liquid , drain it and replace it, change filters.
One of those jobs that you sometimes regret starting lol
Always hide my oil filters in the general rubbish.
Seeing as my neighbors feel the need to put their rubbish in my bin, I often repay the favour with that kind of item.
I am going to set up a helpline for hubnut cars, their mental health must be in pieces, cowering in fear every time the garage doors creek open and a spanner appears.....
To be fair one day it might be the right sized spanner.
I have just bought a classic car and was thinking of doing my own maintenance. Then l watched Hub Nut, think l'll pay a professional !!
"Not sure I want this Bonnet floating around above my head, so I'll just take it off" #SmugNut returns ! Great, genuinely really great video - practical mechanics for 2CV owners, saves a fortune going to a Dealer (or even Local Garage), inspires others to take the plunge, great content and another Elly secret (leaky carburetor) revealed !
Keep 'em comin'!
Much Luv
Jeremy Clarkson says he got his first job on BBC by making a review of the 2CV telling how much he hated it.
He would do...
Yes but little did he know that we all hate him more!!
A good trick with carburettor flanges is to grind them flat using a sheet of wet and dry sandpaper (wet) on a sheet of glass. With plenty of water on the surface
you can see when the finish covers the entire surface evenly that it is perfectly flat. They often distort around the bolt holes due to the softer insulating block, and
without levelling the surface, will always leak even with a new gasket.
I keep an old thick mirror glass for doing these and other parts.. works very well. (I use around 240 grit, but 180 would be fine)
Cheers.
Don't forget to check the mating surfaces of the manifold and carb for warping before you install...... But you know that I'm sure 😜😃.
white spark plugs indicate an engine running lean on older cars .....they should be a sandy brown to darkish brown colour for the perfect running mixture..............modern cars just dont have that choice anymore
I can't see a connection between valve lash and unleaded fuel. Excess lash delays valve opening an advances valve closing. Both reduce volumetric efficiency and power. Could use a lower octane gasoline but unleaded in North America is the same octane # as the ancient leaded. I ran my DS 19 on 1/2 premium, half regular to save money (seldom went below half tank and just filled alternately) In the city where it was available I burned mid-grade. Had to change to hotter spark plugs for city driving to prevent fouling and remember to change to cold for highway trips towing the 2000# trailer.
My '65 SAAB 95 had the same tread pattern Michelin tires when I bought it. Love narrow tired old Eurobeaters.
Looks like a good general purpose engine oil. Used Shell Rotella in small engines, even though it's a diesel application, but found out since that is a good all round engine oil too.
Hello bucket! Just like my garage, forever tripping over stuff!
If I placed the bonnet the way Hubnut did, I guarantee yoi that I would have stepped on it. So probably I would have it way out of my working zone.
Major error in your service was the spark plugs with new plugs your supposed to fit them at normal running temperature. Reason being is in the history of spark plugs in the late 70’s they stopped glazing plugs. This mean getting them wet (using choke) shortens the plugs life as it does not have and burnt on carbon to protect the plug. You can find details on the green spark plug company website there’s some detailed stuff about plugs on there and you can buy pretty much any type of plug ever made or equivalent.
Enjoying the video Ian and I like that you are competent, but not too competent (so I don't feel like a complete Wally working on my own 652 Visa)
Yeah. Quite easy to expose 2 CV engine BUT doesn’t come close to my lovely old Herald of the last century...
If memory serves,The Portuguese built ones had a habit of coming with only 3bolts holding the carb on the manifold,
Get a MEASURING JUG then you will get the correct amount of OIL. DOH ;-)
those skinny little michelin tyres remind me of old beetles and my 1971 volvo! they were hard to find in canada in the 70's especially in studded snow tyres for the volvo 15" rims
My name's Elli, and if anybody suggests that I need 'servicing' they'll get a damn good slapping...
I think the 2cv is the car you love to work on, maybe its ease of access, and not a complicated set up, does look like a car you can bodge up on a long road trip if needed , but all in all happy tinkering complete.
Why didn’t you take the plugs out first? That way the engine is easier to turn over, you aren’t loading the shells whilst building up oil pressure after the lube and filter change, the engine cannot start without them and you need to change them anyway.
How hot spark plug is you can see it it's on threads end. If not any soot, plug is too hot and too much, it is too cold. White insulator meaning too lean mixture. Do both right. No other way.
Tend to find things leak when there's no torque on the fasteners ;) enjoyable viewing as always but just tighten that stuff up and I'm sure it will be fine
Better still use a torque wrench.
Sump / gearbox copper washers are 25p from Ecas - why fart about re-heating a used one?
I used to use iridium plugs all the time until i found the tiny electrode tip broke off inside the bore when i took out the plug for the service.
Luckily no damage was done to the engine.
You got more power & economics with the iridiums, but when that tip broke off i went back to the beefy bosch super 4 plugs.
The bosch super 4's are a proper solidly made plug and i would never go back to the iridiums after that event.
I can confirm leaving the oil cap open does indeed make a terrible mess, did it once on a Dyane I owned, thankfully only di a short run before realising!
Replacement manifold: I am inevita... wait, where are you going?
I remember using the B8HS plugs in a Yamaha L1(?) 100cc twin cylinder two stroke!
I service 4 family cars and the new oil filters never come with a new crush washer.....Tip, Use high temperature silicone instead,they never leak then!
The correct term for 'Boxer' engines is 'horizontally opposed'.
filling oil filter: spin the engine over with the spark plugs out. that way there's no compression to press big ends on to a non-lubed crank. motor speed per se is not relevant
Leaving the copper washer to cool naturally anneals them more effectively.
Hi I injoyed the video and I hope the hubnut family are OK take care thanks again 😊👍🏻
....and on the eighth day, God invented torque wrenches....😛
Not really good practice to wipe a dip stick with a rag thats been on a tarmac/gritty surface.
Yep Mrs G left the oil cap off as we travelled all the way from East Yorkshire to Derbyshire. What a mess when the bonnet was lifted.
You were lucky. A friend of mine had a fire under the bonnet after a "professional" forgot to put the oil cap back
I don’t understand why too cold plug would be white- surely it would be fouled?
The HubNut store, we have what we have. If we don't have it, you don't need it.
Never prfill a oil filter can’t see the point the oil filter is the last thing to get oil anyway and when replacing oil it’s poured into the top of the engine so all the engine gets oil before the filter
Torque the heads down first, then set the clearance at the valves, take the plugs out to turn the engine over easier.
Love it! Learned a whole lot in half an hour. Thanks for that. On to part 2!
Great vid! Wondering what you sprayed on to find the air leak?
I forgot to put the cap on twice and can confirm it gives big mess. Takes ages get it all clean
Good video, nice to see the Yellow bucket of success also.
6:33 You wrecked your pliers. All the careful heat treatment that made them hard and strong is gone.
If you look at the back catalogue Ian has wrecked a few engines as well. Bodging to destruction may hold a certain charm but I do wish he would not do this with engines that are unusual or even rare. My only plea is use proper tools, use torque wrenches, and do not be tempted to bodge.
I thought white plugs mean running hot. I think you’ve found the problem with the air leak weakening the mixture and the rough idle.
Good diagnosis skills
Yes, you're right. Misdiagnosed initially.
I would be disappointed if i watched a Hubnut video without the obligatory 'not my Sierras'
ask the Garage you use for work to dispose of the old oil filters for you
Definitely need a T-shirt...#not my Sierra's
hubnut needs to meet pete tong at some stage................
2cvs do not like to run lean. It causes things to burn out.
The whole world seems to have gone a bit HubNut.
throw the used filters in with general rubbish.
Ian, I don’t know if you are aware of it, but there is a deliberate small hole on the underside of the intake manifold. I wonder if by spraying the manifold you blocked that tiny hole with water leading to your richening up of the air-fuel mixture. It could also be that the thick plastic carburetor insulation gasket below the carb has cracked. I have had that happen too. Anyway, best of luck figuring out the problem. In the interests of the exhaust valve life it would be a good idea to fix the problem ASAP. A lean mixture can take those out really quickly.
As far as I know, that hole is only a leak point for the main float bowl, so I wouldn't expect blocking it to make any difference. Suspect it's my crappy homemade gasket that's leaking.
Takes the same plugs as my Yamaha RXS 100!
I was always taught 'tight is right, too tight is broke'.
If only more cars had body work that was as easy to remove for easy access!
You have just reminded me my R8 needs a wash
Leaving the oil cap off is amateur hour. Who I'm looking for are the ones who have started refilling the engine with oil before the sump plug was put back in. Raise your hand if that's you.
🙋♂️
Another brilliant video is always ian
thanks for the mug and tools tshirt , my birthday!
Happy birthday!
@@HubNut thank you , mug survived transit 9other vans abailable) actually a combo on a 58 /09 reg
@@HubNut delivered by elly to post office so thank you Ian carly , Elly , HubLets
I have found that the expensive fancy plugs only benefit newer technology engines. All of my old cars get the most basic copper plugs. Hope it turns out good for you though.
Ian throws plugs away roughly every two thousand miles (as a guess) so type makes no difference. What does worry me is that I have never seen him set the gap. Also a bead blast plug cleaner would increase plug longevity by at least 15 fold. A well worthwhile investment.
Thank you for your detailed description. Can you comment on the Internet description of annealing,
the difference between annealing and tempering?
The difference between annealing and tempering comes down to how it is treated. Annealing involves heating steel to a specified temperature and then cooling at a very slow and controlled rate, whereas tempering involves heating the metal to a precise temperature below the critical point, and is often done in air, vacuum or inert atmospheres.
Did you dunk the hot washer in your hot tea or cold water? That sounds more like tempering from the above Internet description?
Copper behaves differently. It was definitely soft again after the treatment.