I will be adding a 16 ultra to my current setup... after testing and reviewing multiple brands of speakers and subwoofers, I have attempted to illustrate effectively that SVS simply does not compare to any brand of audio equipment at the price point while maintaining the most clear, crisp, responsive and detailed sounds in any applocation you utilize! Not only are the subwoofers extremely high quality over any other brands out there, they seamlessly blend music and film audio better than most $2000 and upwards costing drivers. This can make the biggest difference in a 4k home cinema application where music and movies are played. I have used valodyne subwoofers for years and even their most expensive products can't come close to the sound the SVS woofers produce!
Will these have equal control to my old velodyne servo 15? My wife is tired of the look, after 25 years and multiple moves and 4 kids it has seen better days. But I can say without a doubt many of todays subs still have trouble sounding as good as this.
2:13 could you be any more optimistic than perfectly aligning the peak and null so that they cancel. Most of the time these won't overlap in this la la land way, and thus typically drop the peak/null by about 50%. Sure you can move them around to find the spot, but one sub might end up in the kitchen.
I would not go with less than two, having had a multi sub setup. I really consider four to be an ideal. I am going to add in two more that I have sitting around here, all SVS.
I got 2 subs, but I have them both in front. There is no practical way for me to place them any different than that. They still sound great. Big difference with having 2 instead of 1.
I totally agree, for years I have a sweet spot (left side of the couch) for the LFE effect. By adding a 2nd sub woofer took the dead spot out. Now on the right side of the couch have the same LFE effect as the left side of the couch.
My dead spot is around 150hz. Given that the best crossover for my room is around 60hz im wondering if its possible that a second sub can fix the null? Because the sub would be crossed over way lower than the problem frequency
@@tommy-6597 most likely a 2nd sub would help, make sure to it's the same brand and model. You'll have to play with the phase. Since both of my subs are in the front opposite side it's in phase. Most likely if you have one in front and one in the back one will be in phase and the outer will be out of phase, you'll have to play with it. Then you'll have to re run the audio calibration.
Thank you guys for putting this video together. Very insightful! I've been hesitant for years to go dual sub since I worried it'd be *overkill*, but after getting a better understanding of the benefits of going with such a setup, I'm less worried. Yes, it'll take a bit of time for tweaks to nail the sound output just right between the two subs, but I'm sure it'll be worth it. I'm legit looking forward to finally getting a dual sub setup going and enjoying the benefits y'all outlined in this video. Cheers!
I actually bought my second PB 12 Plus sub from Ed late last week and must say Ed was a HUGE help with all the questions that I had. Great video and looking forward to many more from you guys....also nice to finally put a face to the name :-)
Yes, I actually hooked it up the same day it arrived. I have them set up diagonally from each other as space won't allow to have both of them in front; besides Ed had suggested that you get the biggest bang this way. However, one thing I need to mention is that I noticed the new sub underwent a 'break in' period which lasted about three days for me and soon afterwards started sounding like the older one. The bass is superb and the best thing is that its not localized anymore. Please get a second one if you're able to....you won't regret it.
Raffie Quler True, manufacturers need to sell products to earn money to buy food and shelter to live like everyone else.In a free market, selling products that don't benefit the consumers usually result in a failed business. Unless you support the democrats then you can get a government subsidy like GM or Tesla. Regardless my opinion based on first hand experience matches the science of Floyd Toole regarding a subwoofer in each corner will give the best sound.
If I have to run one sub wireless due to room placement at the rear, should I run the front sub wireless as well? I assume its not ideal to mix wireless with wired.
Just picked up a 2nd SVS sub rather than upgrade from the SB1000. I’ve never heard a single sub sound so good in a decent size room with vaulted ceilings. Have run it hard for years… SVS is also top notch in customer service. Once they replaced an amp under warranty…no nonsense and sent next day.👍
Good discussion. I'm just curious.... would having a 10" and 12" SW combo be desirable or should they be matched, size-wise? I have two surround systems, one with a 12" Klipsch and the other with a 10" Energy sub... They both sound great. I guess I could experiment with levels on each. Thanks!
Excellent video. Got a question though I'd like to setup a 7.2 arrangement with the speakers I have. I own 2 subs, different sizes though and the diagonal setup you mention is feasible for my space Should the larger sub go up front or in the back?
The larger subwoofer would generally go up front for visual purposes but dual subs are pretty forgiving in terms of sound and response throughout the listening area so it won't affect performance much.
When you speak of dual subwoofers, do you mean each subwoofer plays the same summed mono input or is one subwoofer stereo-left and the other stereo-right?
When I went from 5.1 to 5.2, I found that the LFE now have much more direction, in a good way. So when for example, the lighting strikes. It's coming from 5 o'clock and high (or wherever), rather than all around like it used to with just one sub. It's like the dule subs allow the other speakers to do their job in setting up directionality for the LFE. It's very noticeable to me. Is that possible or am I hallucinating?
If you have two subs are they producing the same signal in the mix....or are they independent from each other?? no one seems to mention this detail.......
Would two PB1000 be better than one PB2000? Could they get as low as the PB2000 or would frequency still be limited by the size of the individual subs?
Grymyrk A pb 1000 does not go as low but still goes very low. 2 pb 1000 will give you a better and much smoother response than a single pb 2000 if you have them placed properly. You might want to go for pb 2000 and later in the future grt another if you are not getting a smooth response. I suggest looking into room EQ wizard for optimal placement
In the process of buying subs for my theater room 16x13. I’m thinking dual PB-1000 because I feel like dual PB-2000 is overkill for the room. I’m also running B&W CM8s and a B&W Centre. Would pb1000 be fine?
It's not so much the cost that matters as much as it is matching the output levels Many people say their speakers come to life or actually sound better after the addition of a subwoofer (or 2) because the speakers are able to focus playback on the mids and highs since the subs handles the bass, opening up some dynamic output. We do have a tool on our site that will recommend the best SVS subwoofer for your speakers and provide optimal settings if you're interested in checking it out. We'd love other commentors to weight in as well. www.svsound.com/pages/merlin
I run 2 subs. They are mismatched so it took some finagling to get it right but it sounds great. Especially for music. My next upgrade will be 2 matching subs.
@@SVS_Sound Greetings of the day. Can I do this? 2x PB16 Ultra 13hz - 45hz(soft bass) + 1x SRX828SP 45hz - 100hz (hard bass).. I have been thinking about this, wouldn't it make a great combination? Both subwoofers working in the tuning frequency, reproducing best soft + hard bass combination. What you think? Is it a good idea or bad? If bad, why?
If adding a second subwoofer does it have to be same brand and same driver size and same type like if first subwoofer is sealed can second one be ported?
Best option is to match the exact models. Always avoid mixing ported and sealed. If you' must mix different brands or models, try to align driver size and amplifier power as closely as possible.
I have 2 pb2000s. Both are in the front next to my floor standing speakers. Both at 50% gain but when I run audyssey it always makes me match the right one to the left one so they are both at 75db. Is this normal? Basically why is my right sub weaker ?
It has more to do with the way the subwoofer is interacting with your room. If you email (custservice@svsound.com) or chat in, our experts can ask a few questions to make sure it's dialed in properly.
No. You can place them behind a couch or adjacent to furniture. Placement in general will affect how the bass interacts with the room, not so much with objects.
I would like to add a second sub for a music stereo system. I had 2 subs before and had them set up in opposite corners diagonal. My seating area is closer to the front wall within 5 feet to the monitors and the front sub. I do understand adjusting the phase of a second sub in the back corner but how would I get the timing right with a second sub in the back corner ?
Hi, I currently have a PB3000 and would like to add another sub. The problem is,I only have space for either a 2000PC or 4000PC, would this be a problem ?
No problem here. The most important thing is to match ported with ported and both cylinder models are ported. Feel free to drop our support team a line if you have any questions with calibration.
We have a hugh bass on cement. Is there anything we can do in this room to stop the big vibration in our house and neighborhood? Our son built a new theatre room off the house and the bass is intolerable, but on cement slab. Thank You.
Say you want to add a dedicated subwoofer to a soundbar that already has a subwoofer buit in. Does this count as a 3.2 audio setup? And is it recommended?
We wouldn't generally recommend pairing a new subwoofer with one that comes with a soundbar. You'd be better off just replacing the original subwoofer as combining both could result in phase issues or a mismatch of bass. That said, if you decide to go that route, contact our support team and we can help blend them as well as possible. custservice@svsound.com.
Question. Two subwoofers, each one in opposite corners. Should one be at 0 and the other one at 180 degrees ( in phase, out of phase) ... This is something I never understood.. Edit. Nevermind, i just read the answer some questions down below. Thanks SVS
I have a JBL Studio 2 Series setup(290 floors, 235c center, and 250p sub). I want to add a second sub. The 250p is no longer manufactured. The closet alternate I can find is the Klipsch R-110SW. Spec-wise they are very close at 10" each. The 250p is rear-port while the Klipsch is front-port. Do you see any problems mixing these two subs? Thanks in advance!
Hello! Please tell me, I have two SVS PB-2000 pro subwoofers, I want to set the correct parameters in the application, but I don’t understand much, so I would like to ask two questions. 1. Is it possible to change the settings in the app on two subwoofers at the same time? There is a problem adjusting one when both are playing, no change can be heard 2. maybe there is a video explaining what the tabs mean and what they affect. 3. I have a dali opticon 8 front, - what sound parameters would you recommend for your subwoofers, small or large speakers? 4. how much to put the crossover on the speakers and subwoofer? I have a Denon AVC-A110 amplifier. Thank you in advance!
Best option is to reach out to our support team at custserv@svsound.com and they can walk you through the entire setup to make sure they are tuned as well as possible for your speakers. The app will only control one subwoofer at a time.
If my av has two sub outputs can I use 4 by using Y splitters? Are there going to be problems? Like, I mean, the signal only has 50% of it's "strength" remaining because of the splitting.
@@SVS_Sound Thanks! Also, why are maximal sub wattages written on some avs? Eg. Harman AVR 171 s: "Maximal sub output 200W". But since an active sub has another port just for 220V input, why is the maximum wattage limited by the AV?
Why is that when you bought out the pb13 one of the selling points was that you alledged a smaller diameter cone to be a better sound in terms of slopiness and speed now you have came out with a 16inch version going against what you initally said?
We did a lot of things with the 16-Ultra subwoofer drivers to ensure they would have the same accuracy as our smaller subwoofers (8-in voice coil, proprietary motor design and more). It's true that a smaller cone and driver will always be easier to control based on the reduced moving mass, but we've gone as far as possible to ensure our 16-Ultras play with the same refinement as our smaller subwoofers. Thanks for the comment!
@@SVS_Sound Im not convinced a larger diameter vc makes any difference. I had 2 x pb 13s and whilst they gave a decent low they had terrible mid bass (40hz and above) it was boomy, slow and was not musical regardless of sealed, ported and full eq. They also did not presurise my room which is 4.5 x 6.9 x 2.4 m. I sold them and made my own using 2x 18inch lms ultra 5400 subs (2k rms continous 8k peaks into 4 ohms.) in 2.5ft2 sealed enclosures. I also paid good money for an amp pushing 5k into 2 ohms stereo. The difference is night and day. A lot more power, tight excellent sound on any frequency below 80hz for the same cost as 2 of your units. A proper amp also made a massive difference. The better the amp the more control they give to the subs. A lot of your videos show the cones flapping like mad and people think its mad power but i think its the amps inability to control the sub properely. I think your sub is underpowered. My ffa amp blows warm air all the time using a fan (class d) and yours is convection cooled lol. The pb 13 got so hot you could fry an egg on it so i hate to think what the pb 16 is like with the same cooling.
Let say i don't have any room EQ / bass DSP whatsoever, are dual sb1000 going to be better than a single sb 2000pro ( in which it add bass DSP ) ?? my usage is like 50% music and 50% movie / gaming thx b4
Yes, we almost always recommend dual subwoofers over running a single because it provides more even bass response throughout the room which negates some of the need for advanced DSP.
That is so wrong. It may look cool, but it is absolutely a downfall to music reproduction. Properly sited subwoofers NEVER end up like these shown. The discussion on the video is comically misinformed. Perhaps they love that artificial sound of sub-bass cancellation. Musical instruments’ fundamental frequencies are almost entirely produced by the mains speakers, not the subwoofers, and the mains can do a great job of positioning bass instruments. The same cannot be said for subwoofers, which is why we so frequently see their unusual positioning, or, don’t even see them at all. The crossover to subs standard is carefully chosen to stay out of the way of directional sound as much as is possible.
@@artysanmobileWell if you want to get technical then zero subwoofers and having large full range speakers for music but with subs in any system you're better off as I stated above.. You're better off with 2 smaller subs with in limits obviously I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. Because one large SVS vs two smaller right below it in the line will be better then one Lage sub .....this has been proven so many times I can't even count
@@marcfavell Well, yes of course I want to get technical. It doesn’t sound like you read a word I said. There are excellent technical reasons NOT to use multiple subs. It is truly laughable seeing them deployed like directional loudspeakers, one per side with exact symmetry. Subs don’t work like that at all. As for full-range, I like that very much. But the number of full range loudspeakers capable of a decent playback volume is small. In sound reinforcement they are nonexistent. In studio monitoring, they are not so hard to find but frightfully costly, like $20-30k per pair and up. They do, however, sound fantastic. Meyer, JBL come to mind.
I finally have my dedicated media room going, and have one big SB 4000 in the back right corner. Because of near field placement and two rows of seats, the sub is definitely localized, which I don’t like. I guess my answer may be to sell this and try to get two smaller ported subs and put them in the front of the room on the inside of the towers. I don’t have space to put this on the outside of the tower by the wall. I bought the sb-4000 because I like frequency drops all the way to 15 Hz, where you go from stopping hearing it to feeling
2 clkearance SB1000's in a 10x13 foot bedroom...so much room gain, XT32 flattened them both out solid and level to 20Hz where they stopped being read by the meter!
I have a polk audio psw505 what's the output difference between that and a svs pb 2000 . I have klipsch r28f loudspeaker after 54 of 74 on my reciever with music the polk won't go any louder and the towers start over taking the polk sub and all I can hear is mids and highs. I've tried cutting down the gain in case I was over working it . didn't help it just doesn't have enough loud volume output.
The PB-2000s RMS power is 500 watts (vs. 300 for the PSW), so that alone will result in significantly greater output. The PB-2000 will also hit down to 18Hz, much lower than your current subwoofer so you'll see across the board gains.
For mainly movie watching on projector in basement media room, if I go with 2 12" subs, do you recommend ported or sealed? Size does not matter necessarily. Room is 17x30
Ported subwoofers will get you deeper bass extension and more total output so if you really like to crank it and want to feel the intensity of the action, go with ported. This video can also help explain the differences. ruclips.net/video/phghkPEdrRo/видео.html
@@SVS_Sound Thx for taking time to respond. So on my budget for the 12" subs in home theater, would you personally put 2 ported or 2 sealed in your home? My budget. Not yours. Lol
It's best to match the subwoofers as closely as possible, but the more important factor is ensuring both have sealed or ported cabinets. Don't try to mix the two types or you experience phase issues.
would you gor for dual sb-1000pro or one sb-3000pro.. ? price is about 1:1 here. Quite big livingroom/open area, mainly for music use (~90%), but also tv/movies
Hi, if I was to place a second sub behind my seating position, are there issues with running a cable just over 10m (33 feet). Will the signal still be strong enough?
Yes, there would be no noticeable delay with a 33 ft cable run. You would definitely want to re-run auto calibration to make sure everything syncs up after adding the second subwoofer though.
I think I can only put them near the main front speakers is my bedroom and it's not that large 13 by 13 ft I'm not sure where I'm going to put all of the speakers maybe the room is to small for 7.2.2 I see when I hook everything up
If my onkyo receiver is 7.2 it can play sound on 2 subwoofers? I'm new to this. Now my subwoofer is using the subwoofer output. The Pre Sub output is for a second subwoofer? THX
If I use the y splitter would it take power away from my other speakers to push out to the subs? I would be using two Polk psw 125 with 4 Polk monitor 70 tower speakers,csi A4 center and two klipse book shelf. Running with a pioneer vsx 1020k. Would it still work well?
If you use a splitter on the AV receiver's single subwoofer output to run duals, it should still perform well. The subwoofers are self-powered so they don't require power from the receiver, just an audio signal.
SVS thank you for the quick reply! I just bought a Polk psw110 off someone. I thought it was a psw125 which I have. Same model just smaller. On the 110 do I have to change the phase to make the subs sound flush with each other? My 125 is set to 0. They are both set front stage. Thanks for your help on advance!
Wouldn't you encounter delay issues with midrange if you place subs so far away from each other? Imho Without proper delay it would be detrimental to place the subs more than 0.5m from the mids. Idk if modern receivers have delay setting in the chain
Does it matter the size of the room? Is there such thing as too small an area where 2 subs would be overkill? I have a basement that is 2,919 Cubic feet. I have a Klipsch R-12SW sub and a Klipsch reference system from Costco. The bass sounds good however a tad bit boomy at times. Possibly because it's in a corner.
It wouldn't be overkill so much as wasted headroom because you can always dial the subwoofers down so they don't dominate. Corner loading can make the output boomy so you may want to try a different placement option.
@@SVS_Sound I have one in right corner in front but out 3 feet and the other to left of listening position in a corner about 5ft from listening position and sub also out about 3ft. I turned gain down lower than front sub. It sounds phenomenal! I don't know why I haven't purchased a second sub before now.
I’m so torn. I’ve had my p3000 for 8 months and loved it at first. It’s really good for movies in 3/4’s of my 3000 cubic room. I do want more pressure though for scenes that have the ambient type of pressure. My other problem is my klipsch bookshelves really fall off at 100hz in my room so I run my crossover at 100 and it’s a fuller sound but the bass isn’t as clean of a sound as when it’s crossed over at 80hz, if that makes sense. I know I need to go duals and will but I’m wondering if I should just trade up to the pb4000 now instead of ordering a pb3000 which could potentially lead to more hassle having to send 2 back. Gain and sub is set at -10 and the Yamaha avr sub setting is at -1.5.
We generally recommend going dual if you have the space as it provides more even bass response, especially in a larger room such as yours. There are other benefits as well, but duals will give you the extra output desired with the additional benefits of reduced localization and even response.
Yes, always try to match the subwoofers exactly for best performance, or at least match driver size and amplifier power. Biggest no-no is pairing ported with sealed. Phase should always be set to 0 to begin with. Then adjust on one subwoofer if you notice bass is mis-aligned.
It's always best to match driver size and amplifier power as closely as possible. Exact matches are the ideal scenario but you can blend different sizes. The biggest thing to avoid is mixing ported cabinet with sealed cabinet subwoofers, which can cause phase issues.
More people prefer the sound of a sealed subwoofer for stereo music because the bass is slightly tighter and faster in the transients, but it is not a rule. If you listen mostly to bass-heavy music where deep low frequencies and high levels of output are critical (like EDM), ported can be a better option. SVS designs its subs to shrink the gap between ported and sealed subwoofers so you can get fast, articulate bass with a ported and deep, powerful bass with a sealed.
My first subwoofer will be a SVS 16 Ultra that I take for granted. I also have clear that I will be accompanied by another SVS 16 Ultra. It's a matter of saving money and while I do I learn everything I can about Subwoofers in general and SVS in particular.
I have the old pc13 subwoofer. I want to add another one to make a dual subwoofer. What subwoofer do you recommend to match equally with my pc13. And do you advice putting them diagonally on each side for best performance?
Hi Daryl - The PC-2000 Pro or PC-4000 would be the best options. Go for the 4000 if it's a very large room or the 2000 Pro if medium sized or smaller. Placement really depends on the overall room layout but opposite diagonal corners is a good option, or opposing side walls.
Bass is omnidirectional, so they can be hidden. Boundaries in a room can affect performance based on how the waves interact in the room, but that is true no matter where you place it.
If I don't need more output and localization hasn't ever been an issue, shouldn't one hold off on getting dual subs until they confirm that these nulls are actually present at all the relevant listening spots in their room? For example, I have large monitors (8" woofers) paired with a sealed sub (12" woofer -22Hz 3dB down) in a mid-sized bedroom and measuring with a UMIK-1 and REW, I was actually impressed with how good the frequency response looked at my computer desk- only needed to make minor reductions to a few peaks, the major ones being at 100-200Hz and the sub is crossed over at well under 80Hz. I will check to see what it's like in my home theater setup- if the frequency response is pretty good at the 2 or 3 listening spots used and don't need more headroom as I'm not pushing the sub very hard (can't anyways as I'm in a condo), I should be able to forego a second sub, right?
Got a new SB12-NSD for a steal and would love to goal dual for more even room response. One factor you guys forgot to mention was cost, adding another sub is too much for my wallet right now. Great video!
Thanks, for the comment, cost is absolutely a factor when you get into high performance audio and going dual. Though once you get a taste, upgrading bass is one of the best home theater investments you can make.
I really want to go duel, only problem is I have a klipsch rw 10d sub and they don't sell does anymore. Would it be a problem if I bought another (newer model) Klipch to match the one I have. Or would that be a disaster. I'll won't mind if they visually don't match a 100% btw.
The most important thing is to not mix ported and sealed subwoofers as they may have phase issues. Always best to go dual with the same model but try to match specs as closely as possible between the two. There are some DSP settings you can adjust as well.
I have a 17x17x9 loft I've turned into a home theater. There are stairs beside it so it's like 2000-2600 cu.ft I have a strict budget of $2500 for the subs. I can't decide, should I go with... A) dual PB-2000 pros B) dual SB-3000 C) a single PB-4000
Dual SB-3000 if you're using for music and movies and want most pinpoint accuracy and transient speed with excellent slam and punch. Dual PB-2000 Pros if you want to maximize output and deep bass extension.
What about using two different subs, like size/brand/model? Also, what about using a wireless sub kit on one sub and hard wiring the other? Do these things negatively impact the results? I have one 15” now and adding a second one diagonally would impact a walk way. A 12” could be more practical.
We generally don't recommend mixing brands as they are tuned differently. Using different models of the same brand can be done, but always match sealed cabinet with sealed, and ported cabinet with ported to avoid phase issues. Also good to match output and driver size as closely as possible. Yes, you can use a wireless adapter on one subwoofer and go wired with another.
Always best to use the same subwoofer if possible, but as long as both are sealed cabinet or both are ported cabinet designs, it'll be OK. You don't want to mix ported and sealed or you could get phase/time alignment issues.
@@SVS_Sound I was having a ground loop hum issue on my rear sub.. I've now added a ground loop isolator and it's fixed it. I intend to get another of the same 10in sub at the front..
Hi Nathan - For music, you would most likely favor a sealed subwoofer, since it's tonal qualities are better suited for musicality and because it excels with speed and transients. You will notice and increased depth and texture and maybe hear some notes and sounds you haven't noticed before.
I have a 5.1 system running Ascend Acoustic speakers with a PC12-NSD, and while the system does sound good at some points in the room it is lacking in some points of the room. I just bought a PB12-NSD and will be placing it in the opposite corner from the PC12-NSD. Even though one is a cylinder and the other is a box, I have heard that the sound is virtually identical so I am hoping this setup should even out the bass throughout the room. Is there any tips you guys could give me on getting this setup properly?
Hi Arthur - The PB12-NSD and PC12-NSD work the same and are a perfect match. Opposed diagonal corners works very well for duals and you can level-match them and then calibrate from the AV receiver. If you have any issues, ask here or drop a line to our support team at custservice@svsound.com for detailed advice based on your room layout etc.
I have a question, how much did the whole set up cost? I don’t mind if it’s above budge! I’m looking for a reallllly good theatre system that’s actually worth it!
Are you talking about the home theater shown in the video thumbnail? Only the subwoofers are SVS, the speakers are from another brand so we can't give an exact cost. SVS does have speaker packages that start at $999 if you are looking for a full surround sound set-up. Our site lists all the options and we can help with a custom package if you prefer.
Really great video! I have a rectangular room, its about 7 meters wide and 3 meters deep. i am sitting in the middle of the room looking at the TV from about 2 meters away. My front speakers are on the far right and left side on the 7 meter length. Where would you recommend to place a dual sub system? Right now i have a single SVS sub between the TV and the left front speaker.
Thanks. Running dual subwoofers is very forgiving so you can place nearly anywhere and you'll get much more even frequency response throughout the room. Many people choose the symmetry of having the subwoofer in the same spot as the other, inside the right front speaker. Other good options would be one of the side walls or the rear wall, wherever it will fit with furniture, doors etc.
Hi, I have 2 rooms with 3 sealed subwoofers (Definitive Technology supercube sc6000 1500watts and two sc2000 650watts/ea; each box has 3 speakers) of the same brand and series, just different sizes: 1. Family Room has a 10 inch subwoofer in a 5.1.2 setup. A Denon AVR-S750H receiver that has 2 identical subwoofer outputs. 2. Projector room has two identical 8 inch subwoofers in a 5.2.4 setup. A Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with 2 independent subwoofer outputs. QUESTION: I want to buy a 2nd subwoofer for the family room to become a 5.2.2 setup. I can't buy a second 10 inch subwoofer because it's disontinued, so a 2nd subwoofer will be 8 inch. Which option below is best or would you have another suggestion? A. Because the projector room has the Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with independent subwoofer outputs, I was thinking of equipping this room with one 10 inch and one 8 in subwoofer (same brand and series, just different sizes). One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room. B. The family room with the Denon AVR-S750H would have two identical 8 inch subwoofers. One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room. Thanks.
We always recommend matching the specific models when possible, but in your case as long as both models are sealed cabinet and the drivers are relatively close in size (8-in and 10-in), it should be OK. You may have to adjust the phase slightly to get the bass aligned.
Phase issues mostly, meaning the bass output doesn't align with the speakers so the soundstage can be a bit muddied. The sound quality of subwoofers can vary as well so it can actually be distracting because they don't blend as well.
i am planning to go dual and while i would like to place them optimally at opposite corners i will probably opt to do the front of room placement for same reasons as discussed in video. i know every setup is unique but in general is putting them inside of mains or outside of mains...is one better than the other?
It's not a rule, but we've found more people prefer having the subwoofers inside the main speakers for both aesthetic and sound quality reasons. Your room layout and seating positions are the biggest variables in terms of which is better, but you can achieve excellent frequency response throughout the room with either set-up.
Setting up an small home theater for my kids.I dont want them in my dedicated room.The problem it's a 12×12 a square qube.I am having a nightmare getting good even base in this room.I am using the rule of thirds for the MLP.I am getting pretty good base from one sub behind the couch in the left rear corner.But I can't find a good place for the 2nd sub.I haved moved the 2nd everywhere in that room .But i cant get good response out of it to save my life.Any suggestion would be appreciated. The subs are a pair of trusty PB 1000's
Hi Hector - A placement option for duals that usually works well in square rooms are opposing wall midpoints (halfway along front+back or side walls) or opposed diagonal corners (front right + rear left or vice-versa). Some additional suggestions are here: www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75040195-why-go-dual
Matching the driver size is ideal but the more important factor is making sure you match the cabinet types. Always go with both sealed or both ported with the same or similar RMS power ratings.
@@SVS_Sound To match the RMS power ratings the 2nd subwoofer may need to be a 12 inch instead of a 10 inch. Should I go with the 12 to match power or do I go with the 10 the match size? Both are ported.
I will be adding a 16 ultra to my current setup... after testing and reviewing multiple brands of speakers and subwoofers, I have attempted to illustrate effectively that SVS simply does not compare to any brand of audio equipment at the price point while maintaining the most clear, crisp, responsive and detailed sounds in any applocation you utilize! Not only are the subwoofers extremely high quality over any other brands out there, they seamlessly blend music and film audio better than most $2000 and upwards costing drivers. This can make the biggest difference in a 4k home cinema application where music and movies are played. I have used valodyne subwoofers for years and even their most expensive products can't come close to the sound the SVS woofers produce!
Puppies World great review..probably entirely true however i suspect an svs /puppies connection :)
Puppies World what about the T18 subwoofer from power audio sound?
my bookshelf speakers is a lot better then the SVS speakers since my speakers doesn't use any capacitors the capacitors makes the sound bad
@Scott 1 jbl, klipsch, and cerwin vega also make pro cinema equipment. That does not always translate to good home audio!!
Will these have equal control to my old velodyne servo 15? My wife is tired of the look, after 25 years and multiple moves and 4 kids it has seen better days. But I can say without a doubt many of todays subs still have trouble sounding as good as this.
When two subs are placed facing each other like showing in 3:58 in the video,doesnt that could cause a phase cancellation and other issues?
2:13 could you be any more optimistic than perfectly aligning the peak and null so that they cancel. Most of the time these won't overlap in this la la land way, and thus typically drop the peak/null by about 50%. Sure you can move them around to find the spot, but one sub might end up in the kitchen.
DCUPtoejuice lol exactly
That’s pretty funny. But tbh I’m trying to obtain a second sub too regardless of the lack of info I gather hehe
ED is the best,so helpful.I talked to ed a ton for subwoofer question's.The guy is down right wonderful.U guys at SVS rock.
i agree..Ed seems .VERY knowledgeable
Dual subs is essential. It makes a huge difference. You fill the placement location sound. It’s amazing.
I would not go with less than two, having had a multi sub setup. I really consider four to be an ideal. I am going to add in two more that I have sitting around here, all SVS.
I got 2 subs, but I have them both in front. There is no practical way for me to place them any different than that. They still sound great. Big difference with having 2 instead of 1.
Same
Did you an setup of These booth subs? Against the Basshole or something?
same here two svs sb1000Pro alongside the stand mounted in a room with no other options available. two subs is the way to go.
I totally agree, for years I have a sweet spot (left side of the couch) for the LFE effect. By adding a 2nd sub woofer took the dead spot out. Now on the right side of the couch have the same LFE effect as the left side of the couch.
Funny how bass works, glad you smoothed it all out.
Do you use the subs for stereo or home thatre?@@SVS_Sound
My dead spot is around 150hz. Given that the best crossover for my room is around 60hz im wondering if its possible that a second sub can fix the null? Because the sub would be crossed over way lower than the problem frequency
@@tommy-6597 most likely a 2nd sub would help, make sure to it's the same brand and model. You'll have to play with the phase. Since both of my subs are in the front opposite side it's in phase. Most likely if you have one in front and one in the back one will be in phase and the outer will be out of phase, you'll have to play with it. Then you'll have to re run the audio calibration.
@ id love to understand how it could help fix say 150hz when its not outputting anything over say 80hz
Thank you guys for putting this video together. Very insightful! I've been hesitant for years to go dual sub since I worried it'd be *overkill*, but after getting a better understanding of the benefits of going with such a setup, I'm less worried. Yes, it'll take a bit of time for tweaks to nail the sound output just right between the two subs, but I'm sure it'll be worth it.
I'm legit looking forward to finally getting a dual sub setup going and enjoying the benefits y'all outlined in this video. Cheers!
Glad it was helpful!
I wonder if the 2 subs need to be the same size.... if the 2nd sub is mostly there to "fill in the gaps" - could it be a bit smaller...
I actually bought my second PB 12 Plus sub from Ed late last week and must say Ed was a HUGE help with all the questions that I had. Great video and looking forward to many more from you guys....also nice to finally put a face to the name :-)
Have you hooked up the second PB12? Contemplating a second pb2000 myself.
Yes, I actually hooked it up the same day it arrived. I have them set up diagonally from each other as space won't allow to have both of them in front; besides Ed had suggested that you get the biggest bang this way. However, one thing I need to mention is that I noticed the new sub underwent a 'break in' period which lasted about three days for me and soon afterwards started sounding like the older one. The bass is superb and the best thing is that its not localized anymore. Please get a second one if you're able to....you won't regret it.
I went from two subs to four recently and got as big as an improvement as I did from one to two.
More subwoofers is always beneficial for manufacturers.
Raffie Quler True, manufacturers need to sell products to earn money to buy food and shelter to live like everyone else.In a free market, selling products that don't benefit the consumers usually result in a failed business. Unless you support the democrats then you can get a government subsidy like GM or Tesla. Regardless my opinion based on first hand experience matches the science of Floyd Toole regarding a subwoofer in each corner will give the best sound.
Mark, I have never read more nonsense in one paragraph. Thanks a lot.
Raffie Quler You must not read much.
Mark, judging by your writing skills, you are completely illiterate.
If I have to run one sub wireless due to room placement at the rear, should I run the front sub wireless as well? I assume its not ideal to mix wireless with wired.
Just picked up a 2nd SVS sub rather than upgrade from the SB1000. I’ve never heard a single sub sound so good in a decent size room with vaulted ceilings. Have run it hard for years…
SVS is also top notch in customer service. Once they replaced an amp under warranty…no nonsense and sent next day.👍
So doing opposite corners is there an issue with having the front sub outside the front speakers as shown at 3:48
No issue, opposing corners can be a great way to set up dual subwoofers for achieving even bass response.
Is it better to have a ported and sealed as a pair or should they be the same, also is there any benefit if you can only have side be side placement?
Always match ported and ported and sealed with sealed, or else you can get phase issues. Cabinet style doesn't matter if you have to put side by side.
I just added a second SVS Ultra 13 sub to my system and then did the amplifier upgrade kit Well worth the additional investment
Thanks for the feedback!
Good discussion. I'm just curious.... would having a 10" and 12" SW combo be desirable or should they be matched, size-wise? I have two surround systems, one with a 12" Klipsch and the other with a 10" Energy sub... They both sound great. I guess I could experiment with levels on each. Thanks!
Excellent video. Got a question though
I'd like to setup a 7.2 arrangement with the speakers I have. I own 2 subs, different sizes though and the diagonal setup you mention is feasible for my space
Should the larger sub go up front or in the back?
The larger subwoofer would generally go up front for visual purposes but dual subs are pretty forgiving in terms of sound and response throughout the listening area so it won't affect performance much.
When you speak of dual subwoofers, do you mean each subwoofer plays the same summed mono input or is one subwoofer stereo-left and the other stereo-right?
When using a single AV receiver, dual subwoofers represent the summed mono signal from the receiver.
Could a Dali e-12 and e-9 be dualed together anyone with a Dali 5.1 system thanks
I run 1.5 1 speaker and 5 subs.
Lawrence Timme go big or go home 2.11 2 speakers and 11 subs
lol
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or just go 0.13 ...13 subs
jason jahsah wtf
When I went from 5.1 to 5.2, I found that the LFE now have much more direction, in a good way. So when for example, the lighting strikes. It's coming from 5 o'clock and high (or wherever), rather than all around like it used to with just one sub. It's like the dule subs allow the other speakers to do their job in setting up directionality for the LFE. It's very noticeable to me. Is that possible or am I hallucinating?
I want what your having.
Haha, not hallucinating, Dual subs absolutely reduce localization so you get a more accurate soundstage.
If u have 2 subs in front do u leave both at 0 phase or have one at 180?
I have got q accostics 3070 is that a good combo With svs pb1000 pro. Normal sized Livingroom
If you have two subs are they producing the same signal in the mix....or are they independent from each other?? no one seems to mention this detail.......
The same signal, though you can adjust output individually via DSP if you are experiencing room anomalies like peaks and nulls.
Would two PB1000 be better than one PB2000? Could they get as low as the PB2000 or would frequency still be limited by the size of the individual subs?
Grymyrk A pb 1000 does not go as low but still goes very low. 2 pb 1000 will give you a better and much smoother response than a single pb 2000 if you have them placed properly. You might want to go for pb 2000 and later in the future grt another if you are not getting a smooth response. I suggest looking into room EQ wizard for optimal placement
In the process of buying subs for my theater room 16x13. I’m thinking dual PB-1000 because I feel like dual PB-2000 is overkill for the room. I’m also running B&W CM8s and a B&W Centre. Would pb1000 be fine?
Apologies for the delayed response, Yes, dual PB-1000 subwoofers would provide plenty of output for a room of that size.
Is it ok if you have dual subwoofers that cost more then the front L&R Speakers? or should you rather upgrade the front speakers instead? Thanks.
It's not so much the cost that matters as much as it is matching the output levels Many people say their speakers come to life or actually sound better after the addition of a subwoofer (or 2) because the speakers are able to focus playback on the mids and highs since the subs handles the bass, opening up some dynamic output. We do have a tool on our site that will recommend the best SVS subwoofer for your speakers and provide optimal settings if you're interested in checking it out. We'd love other commentors to weight in as well. www.svsound.com/pages/merlin
Ed Mullen is one of the best in the business. Super knowledgeable and a class act.
Thanks, we'll pass along your kind words.
I run 2 subs. They are mismatched so it took some finagling to get it right but it sounds great. Especially for music. My next upgrade will be 2 matching subs.
It is possible, but does take some patience.
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@@SVS_Sound Greetings of the day. Can I do this?
2x PB16 Ultra 13hz - 45hz(soft bass) + 1x SRX828SP 45hz - 100hz (hard bass).. I have been thinking about this, wouldn't it make a great combination? Both subwoofers working in the tuning frequency, reproducing best soft + hard bass combination.
What you think? Is it a good idea or bad? If bad, why?
This guy is so articulate. I need to read more books
If adding a second subwoofer does it have to be same brand and same driver size and same type like if first subwoofer is sealed can second one be ported?
Best option is to match the exact models. Always avoid mixing ported and sealed. If you' must mix different brands or models, try to align driver size and amplifier power as closely as possible.
@@SVS_Sound Thanks for the great advice!🙂
I have 2 pb2000s. Both are in the front next to my floor standing speakers. Both at 50% gain but when I run audyssey it always makes me match the right one to the left one so they are both at 75db. Is this normal? Basically why is my right sub weaker ?
It has more to do with the way the subwoofer is interacting with your room. If you email (custservice@svsound.com) or chat in, our experts can ask a few questions to make sure it's dialed in properly.
what about both each 1/4 wall lenght behind ?
Soooo how do you control TWO subs with only ONE app ? Confused.
I hope this isn't a silly question but does it matter if anything is in front of the subwoofer? Putting the sub in the corner behind a sofa?
No. You can place them behind a couch or adjacent to furniture. Placement in general will affect how the bass interacts with the room, not so much with objects.
I would like to add a second sub for a music stereo system. I had 2 subs before and had them set up in opposite corners diagonal. My seating area is closer to the front wall within 5 feet to the monitors and the front sub. I do understand adjusting the phase of a second sub in the back corner but how would I get the timing right with a second sub in the back corner ?
Is the rear corner to be set to 180 Phase OR negative polarity? Not both, I assume that would counter act and defeat the purpose.
@@mrcloutier303 I ended up putting them both in front close to the monitors.
Hi, I currently have a PB3000 and would like to add another sub. The problem is,I only have space for either a 2000PC or 4000PC, would this be a problem ?
No problem here. The most important thing is to match ported with ported and both cylinder models are ported. Feel free to drop our support team a line if you have any questions with calibration.
How about 1 floor standing and 1 in ceiling 300w subwoofer at opposing corners? Would that be an optimal placement?
We have a hugh bass on cement. Is there anything we can do in this room to stop the big vibration in our house and neighborhood?
Our son built a new theatre room off the house and the bass is intolerable, but on cement slab. Thank You.
Kick your son out.
Nice , do they need always a cable when you use 2 subwoofers
If you are going to use a wireless adapter, always use with both subwoofers. Best not to mix wireless and wired.
Say you want to add a dedicated subwoofer to a soundbar that already has a subwoofer buit in. Does this count as a 3.2 audio setup? And is it recommended?
We wouldn't generally recommend pairing a new subwoofer with one that comes with a soundbar. You'd be better off just replacing the original subwoofer as combining both could result in phase issues or a mismatch of bass. That said, if you decide to go that route, contact our support team and we can help blend them as well as possible. custservice@svsound.com.
Question.
Two subwoofers, each one in opposite corners. Should one be at 0 and the other one at 180 degrees ( in phase, out of phase) ... This is something I never understood..
Edit. Nevermind, i just read the answer some questions down below. Thanks SVS
I have a JBL Studio 2 Series setup(290 floors, 235c center, and 250p sub). I want to add a second sub. The 250p is no longer manufactured. The closet alternate I can find is the Klipsch R-110SW. Spec-wise they are very close at 10" each. The 250p is rear-port while the Klipsch is front-port. Do you see any problems mixing these two subs? Thanks in advance!
Best to reach out to the manufacturer who can provide detailed specs and recommendations for blending.
Currently using SVS PB1000 sub, want to add SVS PB1000 pro as dual sub............... Will they synchronize well?
What about placing them in the back ?
If I go dual, would I calibrate them to each put out half the output required from my single sub?
Your source component should do that automatically. You can then adjust the levels to your liking if you want more or less bass.
Damn! Just installed my two SB-1000 Pro and my god does this make a difference in my room. I'm speechless.
Can you guys guide me, about perfect performance subwoofer model for my dedicated 220sqft theatre room, for music & movie
Yes, just drop our support team a note and we'll walk you thorugh everything you need to know - custservice@svsound.com
@@SVS_Sound thank you
What is the name of the surround sound in the beginning of the video?
Hello! Please tell me, I have two SVS PB-2000 pro subwoofers, I want to set the correct parameters in the application, but I don’t understand much, so I would like to ask two questions. 1. Is it possible to change the settings in the app on two subwoofers at the same time? There is a problem adjusting one when both are playing, no change can be heard 2. maybe there is a video explaining what the tabs mean and what they affect. 3. I have a dali opticon 8 front, - what sound parameters would you recommend for your subwoofers, small or large speakers? 4. how much to put the crossover on the speakers and subwoofer? I have a Denon AVC-A110 amplifier. Thank you in advance!
Best option is to reach out to our support team at custserv@svsound.com and they can walk you through the entire setup to make sure they are tuned as well as possible for your speakers. The app will only control one subwoofer at a time.
If my av has two sub outputs can I use 4 by using Y splitters? Are there going to be problems? Like, I mean, the signal only has 50% of it's "strength" remaining because of the splitting.
It’s perfectly fine to use a splitter on each subwoofer output of the AVR. No problems at all and no reduction in quality.
@@SVS_Sound Thanks! Also, why are maximal sub wattages written on some avs? Eg. Harman AVR 171 s: "Maximal sub output 200W". But since an active sub has another port just for 220V input, why is the maximum wattage limited by the AV?
Why is that when you bought out the pb13 one of the selling points was that you alledged a smaller diameter cone to be a better sound in terms of slopiness and speed now you have came out with a 16inch version going against what you initally said?
We did a lot of things with the 16-Ultra subwoofer drivers to ensure they would have the same accuracy as our smaller subwoofers (8-in voice coil, proprietary motor design and more). It's true that a smaller cone and driver will always be easier to control based on the reduced moving mass, but we've gone as far as possible to ensure our 16-Ultras play with the same refinement as our smaller subwoofers. Thanks for the comment!
@@SVS_Sound Im not convinced a larger diameter vc makes any difference. I had 2 x pb 13s and whilst they gave a decent low they had terrible mid bass (40hz and above) it was boomy, slow and was not musical regardless of sealed, ported and full eq. They also did not presurise my room which is 4.5 x 6.9 x 2.4 m. I sold them and made my own using 2x 18inch lms ultra 5400 subs (2k rms continous 8k peaks into 4 ohms.) in 2.5ft2 sealed enclosures. I also paid good money for an amp pushing 5k into 2 ohms stereo. The difference is night and day. A lot more power, tight excellent sound on any frequency below 80hz for the same cost as 2 of your units. A proper amp also made a massive difference. The better the amp the more control they give to the subs. A lot of your videos show the cones flapping like mad and people think its mad power but i think its the amps inability to control the sub properely. I think your sub is underpowered. My ffa amp blows warm air all the time using a fan (class d) and yours is convection cooled lol. The pb 13 got so hot you could fry an egg on it so i hate to think what the pb 16 is like with the same cooling.
Let say i don't have any room EQ / bass DSP whatsoever, are dual sb1000 going to be better than a single sb 2000pro ( in which it add bass DSP ) ??
my usage is like 50% music and 50% movie / gaming
thx b4
Yes, we almost always recommend dual subwoofers over running a single because it provides more even bass response throughout the room which negates some of the need for advanced DSP.
You are better off with 2 svs lower line subs then 1 higher line svs subwoofer.....thank me later!
That is so wrong. It may look cool, but it is absolutely a downfall to music reproduction. Properly sited subwoofers NEVER end up like these shown. The discussion on the video is comically misinformed. Perhaps they love that artificial sound of sub-bass cancellation. Musical instruments’ fundamental frequencies are almost entirely produced by the mains speakers, not the subwoofers, and the mains can do a great job of positioning bass instruments. The same cannot be said for subwoofers, which is why we so frequently see their unusual positioning, or, don’t even see them at all. The crossover to subs standard is carefully chosen to stay out of the way of directional sound as much as is possible.
@@artysanmobileWell if you want to get technical then zero subwoofers and having large full range speakers for music but with subs in any system you're better off as I stated above..
You're better off with 2 smaller subs with in limits obviously I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. Because one large SVS vs two smaller right below it in the line will be better then one Lage sub .....this has been proven so many times I can't even count
@@marcfavell Well, yes of course I want to get technical. It doesn’t sound like you read a word I said. There are excellent technical reasons NOT to use multiple subs. It is truly laughable seeing them deployed like directional loudspeakers, one per side with exact symmetry. Subs don’t work like that at all. As for full-range, I like that very much. But the number of full range loudspeakers capable of a decent playback volume is small. In sound reinforcement they are nonexistent. In studio monitoring, they are not so hard to find but frightfully costly, like $20-30k per pair and up. They do, however, sound fantastic. Meyer, JBL come to mind.
I finally have my dedicated media room going, and have one big SB 4000 in the back right corner. Because of near field placement and two rows of seats, the sub is definitely localized, which I don’t like. I guess my answer may be to sell this and try to get two smaller ported subs and put them in the front of the room on the inside of the towers. I don’t have space to put this on the outside of the tower by the wall. I bought the sb-4000 because I like frequency drops all the way to 15 Hz, where you go from stopping hearing it to feeling
2 clkearance SB1000's in a 10x13 foot bedroom...so much room gain, XT32 flattened them both out solid and level to 20Hz where they stopped being read by the meter!
Can I pair my pb2000 with a new pb3000? I can t find any new pb2000 now! Thank you!
Yes. There will be some minor adjustments to the DSP, but we can help walk you through that.
I have a polk audio psw505 what's the output difference between that and a svs pb 2000 . I have klipsch r28f loudspeaker after 54 of 74 on my reciever with music the polk won't go any louder and the towers start over taking the polk sub and all I can hear is mids and highs. I've tried cutting down the gain in case I was over working it . didn't help it just doesn't have enough loud volume output.
The PB-2000s RMS power is 500 watts (vs. 300 for the PSW), so that alone will result in significantly greater output. The PB-2000 will also hit down to 18Hz, much lower than your current subwoofer so you'll see across the board gains.
What will be the total sound system price?
I have two 15s in the front (non svs) and two 10s in one corner.
For mainly movie watching on projector in basement media room, if I go with 2 12" subs, do you recommend ported or sealed? Size does not matter necessarily. Room is 17x30
Ported subwoofers will get you deeper bass extension and more total output so if you really like to crank it and want to feel the intensity of the action, go with ported. This video can also help explain the differences. ruclips.net/video/phghkPEdrRo/видео.html
@@SVS_Sound Thx for taking time to respond. So on my budget for the 12" subs in home theater, would you personally put 2 ported or 2 sealed in your home? My budget. Not yours. Lol
What about a 15 inch subwoofer with a 10inch sub or does it have to be atleast 12 to 15 inch dor the second?
It's best to match the subwoofers as closely as possible, but the more important factor is ensuring both have sealed or ported cabinets. Don't try to mix the two types or you experience phase issues.
Get 2X 2000 instead of the 1X 4000 or SB16. I found 1 SB200 is more than I need for my massive room so 2X SB4000 would be ridiculous.
would you gor for dual sb-1000pro or one sb-3000pro.. ? price is about 1:1 here. Quite big livingroom/open area, mainly for music use (~90%), but also tv/movies
For a larger space, dual subwoofers will do a better job of providing more even bass throughout the listening area.
Will a svs sb2000 sound ok with a 3000 or should I get another 2000
Yes, you can blend a 2000 and 3000, just make sure they are both sealed or both ported. Don't mix the two different types of enclosure.
Hi, if I was to place a second sub behind my seating position, are there issues with running a cable just over 10m (33 feet). Will the signal still be strong enough?
Yes, there would be no noticeable delay with a 33 ft cable run. You would definitely want to re-run auto calibration to make sure everything syncs up after adding the second subwoofer though.
I think I can only put them near the main front speakers is my bedroom and it's not that large 13 by 13 ft I'm not sure where I'm going to put all of the speakers maybe the room is to small for 7.2.2 I see when I hook everything up
If my onkyo receiver is 7.2 it can play sound on 2 subwoofers? I'm new to this. Now my subwoofer is using the subwoofer output. The Pre Sub output is for a second subwoofer? THX
Yes, if it's a 7.2, it can send signals to 2 subwoofers.
@@SVS_Sound Thank You!! Once I hooked it up and did a calibration both subwoofers are working.
If I use the y splitter would it take power away from my other speakers to push out to the subs? I would be using two Polk psw 125 with 4 Polk monitor 70 tower speakers,csi A4 center and two klipse book shelf. Running with a pioneer vsx 1020k. Would it still work well?
If you use a splitter on the AV receiver's single subwoofer output to run duals, it should still perform well. The subwoofers are self-powered so they don't require power from the receiver, just an audio signal.
SVS thank you for the quick reply! I just bought a Polk psw110 off someone. I thought it was a psw125 which I have. Same model just smaller. On the 110 do I have to change the phase to make the subs sound flush with each other? My 125 is set to 0. They are both set front stage. Thanks for your help on advance!
Wouldn't you encounter delay issues with midrange if you place subs so far away from each other? Imho Without proper delay it would be detrimental to place the subs more than 0.5m from the mids. Idk if modern receivers have delay setting in the chain
Yes, the DSP allows you to adjust for delay if distance is an issue.
Does it matter the size of the room? Is there such thing as too small an area where 2 subs would be overkill? I have a basement that is 2,919 Cubic feet. I have a Klipsch R-12SW sub and a Klipsch reference system from Costco. The bass sounds good however a tad bit boomy at times. Possibly because it's in a corner.
It wouldn't be overkill so much as wasted headroom because you can always dial the subwoofers down so they don't dominate. Corner loading can make the output boomy so you may want to try a different placement option.
@@SVS_Sound I have one in right corner in front but out 3 feet and the other to left of listening position in a corner about 5ft from listening position and sub also out about 3ft. I turned gain down lower than front sub. It sounds phenomenal! I don't know why I haven't purchased a second sub before now.
How big is that tv at 0:37?
How would this work with two SVS 3000 *micro*?
Extremely well. Dual 3000 Micro orders are very common since they're easy to place in the room.
I’m so torn. I’ve had my p3000 for 8 months and loved it at first. It’s really good for movies in 3/4’s of my 3000 cubic room. I do want more pressure though for scenes that have the ambient type of pressure. My other problem is my klipsch bookshelves really fall off at 100hz in my room so I run my crossover at 100 and it’s a fuller sound but the bass isn’t as clean of a sound as when it’s crossed over at 80hz, if that makes sense. I know I need to go duals and will but I’m wondering if I should just trade up to the pb4000 now instead of ordering a pb3000 which could potentially lead to more hassle having to send 2 back. Gain and sub is set at -10 and the Yamaha avr sub setting is at -1.5.
We generally recommend going dual if you have the space as it provides more even bass response, especially in a larger room such as yours. There are other benefits as well, but duals will give you the extra output desired with the additional benefits of reduced localization and even response.
Should the subwoofers be of the same model and size if going dual? Also how we need to set the phase of subwoofers if placed diagonally?
Yes, always try to match the subwoofers exactly for best performance, or at least match driver size and amplifier power. Biggest no-no is pairing ported with sealed. Phase should always be set to 0 to begin with. Then adjust on one subwoofer if you notice bass is mis-aligned.
@@SVS_Sound thanks svs team for the info😍
Should the subs be a matching pair? Should they be the same brand and size? Can I do a 12” with an 8”?
It's always best to match driver size and amplifier power as closely as possible. Exact matches are the ideal scenario but you can blend different sizes. The biggest thing to avoid is mixing ported cabinet with sealed cabinet subwoofers, which can cause phase issues.
Mistook man on the right to be Matt Damon
Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment. -Nick
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which is better for stereo music purpose? Sealed or ported version?
More people prefer the sound of a sealed subwoofer for stereo music because the bass is slightly tighter and faster in the transients, but it is not a rule. If you listen mostly to bass-heavy music where deep low frequencies and high levels of output are critical (like EDM), ported can be a better option. SVS designs its subs to shrink the gap between ported and sealed subwoofers so you can get fast, articulate bass with a ported and deep, powerful bass with a sealed.
My first subwoofer will be a SVS 16 Ultra that I take for granted. I also have clear that I will be accompanied by another SVS 16 Ultra. It's a matter of saving money and while I do I learn everything I can about Subwoofers in general and SVS in particular.
How to connect dual subs when your reciever only has single sub/LFE output??
You can daisy chain the subwoofers together or use a Y-splitter/adapter like this: www.svsound.com/products/gold-rca-y-adapter
I have the old pc13 subwoofer. I want to add another one to make a dual subwoofer. What subwoofer do you recommend to match equally with my pc13. And do you advice putting them diagonally on each side for best performance?
Hi Daryl - The PC-2000 Pro or PC-4000 would be the best options. Go for the 4000 if it's a very large room or the 2000 Pro if medium sized or smaller. Placement really depends on the overall room layout but opposite diagonal corners is a good option, or opposing side walls.
Is it important for subs to be out in the open/unobstructed or can they be hidden (like under a bed)?
Bass is omnidirectional, so they can be hidden. Boundaries in a room can affect performance based on how the waves interact in the room, but that is true no matter where you place it.
If I don't need more output and localization hasn't ever been an issue, shouldn't one hold off on getting dual subs until they confirm that these nulls are actually present at all the relevant listening spots in their room? For example, I have large monitors (8" woofers) paired with a sealed sub (12" woofer -22Hz 3dB down) in a mid-sized bedroom and measuring with a UMIK-1 and REW, I was actually impressed with how good the frequency response looked at my computer desk- only needed to make minor reductions to a few peaks, the major ones being at 100-200Hz and the sub is crossed over at well under 80Hz.
I will check to see what it's like in my home theater setup- if the frequency response is pretty good at the 2 or 3 listening spots used and don't need more headroom as I'm not pushing the sub very hard (can't anyways as I'm in a condo), I should be able to forego a second sub, right?
Yes, one subwoofer can absolutely be enough for a room, there's no rule that duals are needed for great performance.
Got a new SB12-NSD for a steal and would love to goal dual for more even room response. One factor you guys forgot to mention was cost, adding another sub is too much for my wallet right now. Great video!
Thanks, for the comment, cost is absolutely a factor when you get into high performance audio and going dual. Though once you get a taste, upgrading bass is one of the best home theater investments you can make.
Can we combine PB 1000 pro and SB 1000 pro?
Not recommended. Always best to pair sealed with sealed and vice versa.
I really want to go duel, only problem is I have a klipsch rw 10d sub and they don't sell does anymore. Would it be a problem if I bought another (newer model) Klipch to match the one I have. Or would that be a disaster. I'll won't mind if they visually don't match a 100% btw.
The most important thing is to not mix ported and sealed subwoofers as they may have phase issues. Always best to go dual with the same model but try to match specs as closely as possible between the two. There are some DSP settings you can adjust as well.
@@SVS_Sound I'll be sure to look out for it when I buy one. Thanks for the reply!
I have a 17x17x9 loft I've turned into a home theater. There are stairs beside it so it's like 2000-2600 cu.ft
I have a strict budget of $2500 for the subs. I can't decide, should I go with...
A) dual PB-2000 pros
B) dual SB-3000
C) a single PB-4000
Dual SB-3000 if you're using for music and movies and want most pinpoint accuracy and transient speed with excellent slam and punch.
Dual PB-2000 Pros if you want to maximize output and deep bass extension.
What about using two different subs, like size/brand/model? Also, what about using a wireless sub kit on one sub and hard wiring the other? Do these things negatively impact the results? I have one 15” now and adding a second one diagonally would impact a walk way. A 12” could be more practical.
We generally don't recommend mixing brands as they are tuned differently. Using different models of the same brand can be done, but always match sealed cabinet with sealed, and ported cabinet with ported to avoid phase issues. Also good to match output and driver size as closely as possible. Yes, you can use a wireless adapter on one subwoofer and go wired with another.
@@SVS_Sound Cool. Then I will look into an r-110sw or 12 to match my 15. Thanks for the reply!
I've a 10in front facing sub and I'm considering adding a smaller downfiring sub is that ok to mix subwoofer types?
Always best to use the same subwoofer if possible, but as long as both are sealed cabinet or both are ported cabinet designs, it'll be OK. You don't want to mix ported and sealed or you could get phase/time alignment issues.
@@SVS_Sound I was having a ground loop hum issue on my rear sub.. I've now added a ground loop isolator and it's fixed it. I intend to get another of the same 10in sub at the front..
What's about using your subwoofers for music? Are they made for home cinema only or can you enjoy then with music just as much as with movies?
Hi Nathan - For music, you would most likely favor a sealed subwoofer, since it's tonal qualities are better suited for musicality and because it excels with speed and transients. You will notice and increased depth and texture and maybe hear some notes and sounds you haven't noticed before.
they are amazing with music as well trust me
I have a 5.1 system running Ascend Acoustic speakers with a PC12-NSD, and while the system does sound good at some points in the room it is lacking in some points of the room. I just bought a PB12-NSD and will be placing it in the opposite corner from the PC12-NSD. Even though one is a cylinder and the other is a box, I have heard that the sound is virtually identical so I am hoping this setup should even out the bass throughout the room. Is there any tips you guys could give me on getting this setup properly?
Hi Arthur - The PB12-NSD and PC12-NSD work the same and are a perfect match. Opposed diagonal corners works very well for duals and you can level-match them and then calibrate from the AV receiver. If you have any issues, ask here or drop a line to our support team at custservice@svsound.com for detailed advice based on your room layout etc.
Should I buy two pb 1000 pro or one pb 2000?
We generally recommend duals because you get more even bass response throughout the listening area.
I have a question, how much did the whole set up cost? I don’t mind if it’s above budge! I’m looking for a reallllly good theatre system that’s actually worth it!
Are you talking about the home theater shown in the video thumbnail? Only the subwoofers are SVS, the speakers are from another brand so we can't give an exact cost. SVS does have speaker packages that start at $999 if you are looking for a full surround sound set-up. Our site lists all the options and we can help with a custom package if you prefer.
cant go wrong with an entire SVS setup if you can afford it. The website has full packages... just add a subwoofer... or two ofcourse.
Great video. Simple and to the point.
Really great video! I have a rectangular room, its about 7 meters wide and 3 meters deep. i am sitting in the middle of the room looking at the TV from about 2 meters away. My front speakers are on the far right and left side on the 7 meter length. Where would you recommend to place a dual sub system?
Right now i have a single SVS sub between the TV and the left front speaker.
Thanks. Running dual subwoofers is very forgiving so you can place nearly anywhere and you'll get much more even frequency response throughout the room. Many people choose the symmetry of having the subwoofer in the same spot as the other, inside the right front speaker. Other good options would be one of the side walls or the rear wall, wherever it will fit with furniture, doors etc.
@@SVS_Sound Sounds awesome. Think i have a spot in mind. Thanks for the lightning fast reply tho!
Hi, I have 2 rooms with 3 sealed subwoofers (Definitive Technology supercube sc6000 1500watts and two sc2000 650watts/ea; each box has 3 speakers) of the same brand and series, just different sizes:
1. Family Room has a 10 inch subwoofer in a 5.1.2 setup. A Denon AVR-S750H receiver that has 2 identical subwoofer outputs.
2. Projector room has two identical 8 inch subwoofers in a 5.2.4 setup. A Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with 2 independent subwoofer outputs.
QUESTION: I want to buy a 2nd subwoofer for the family room to become a 5.2.2 setup. I can't buy a second 10 inch subwoofer because it's disontinued, so a 2nd subwoofer will be 8 inch. Which option below is best or would you have another suggestion?
A. Because the projector room has the Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with independent subwoofer outputs, I was thinking of equipping this room with one 10 inch and one 8 in subwoofer (same brand and series, just different sizes).
One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room.
B. The family room with the Denon AVR-S750H would have two identical 8 inch subwoofers.
One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room.
Thanks.
We always recommend matching the specific models when possible, but in your case as long as both models are sealed cabinet and the drivers are relatively close in size (8-in and 10-in), it should be OK. You may have to adjust the phase slightly to get the bass aligned.
I'm stuck with 3 passive subs and one amp. How can I make use of them all? How must I go about connecting them?
There's quite a few variables in this situation. Send our tech support team a note at custservice@svsound.com and they can walk you through it.
What are the issues/cons of have 2 subwoofers of different brands/sizes/power?
Phase issues mostly, meaning the bass output doesn't align with the speakers so the soundstage can be a bit muddied. The sound quality of subwoofers can vary as well so it can actually be distracting because they don't blend as well.
@@SVS_Sound - that makes sense and definitely helps with my question above. Thanks
So someone can tell me, if you have one sub on 40% gain, two equaly subs with 30% gain can produce more sound and bass than one over 40% gain?
i am planning to go dual and while i would like to place them optimally at opposite corners i will probably opt to do the front of room placement for same reasons as discussed in video. i know every setup is unique but in general is putting them inside of mains or outside of mains...is one better than the other?
It's not a rule, but we've found more people prefer having the subwoofers inside the main speakers for both aesthetic and sound quality reasons. Your room layout and seating positions are the biggest variables in terms of which is better, but you can achieve excellent frequency response throughout the room with either set-up.
I have mine at the opposite ends of the room and it sounds awesome!
Setting up an small home theater for my kids.I dont want them in my dedicated room.The problem it's a 12×12 a square qube.I am having a nightmare getting good even base in this room.I am using the rule of thirds for the MLP.I am getting pretty good base from one sub behind the couch in the left rear corner.But I can't find a good place for the 2nd sub.I haved moved the 2nd everywhere in that room .But i cant get good response out of it to save my life.Any suggestion would be appreciated. The subs are a pair of trusty PB 1000's
Hi Hector - A placement option for duals that usually works well in square rooms are opposing wall midpoints (halfway along front+back or side walls) or opposed diagonal corners (front right + rear left or vice-versa).
Some additional suggestions are here:
www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75040195-why-go-dual
Should they be set up as stereo (l/r sub) or both mono?
Either will work, but most people prefer to run mono via the LFE channel.
For surround, LFE channel, For true HiFi, 2 subs in stereo. My opinion.
If you have a 10 in sub, would I want a 12in or 15in, or would another 10in to match?
GODOFCOD147 I’m running 4 10 inch subwoofer 💪🏽!
Matching the driver size is ideal but the more important factor is making sure you match the cabinet types. Always go with both sealed or both ported with the same or similar RMS power ratings.
@@SVS_Sound To match the RMS power ratings the 2nd subwoofer may need to be a 12 inch instead of a 10 inch. Should I go with the 12 to match power or do I go with the 10 the match size? Both are ported.