Just a note: Around 14 mins you mention Marley had 7/9 titans and Paradis had the attack and founding. Remember Paradis only had the founding, the Attack Titan only arrived once the owl gave it to Grisha and sent him to the walls, then to give it to Eren.
person 1: "If you want to end yourselves go for it but leave the world out of it" Person 2: "I can do what I want?, I don't care about death but morality?" Person 1: "You don't need humanity, you owe humanity nothing!" Person 2: "Does that apply to you?, do I owe you anything?" Person 1: "Standardization, Conformity, Genocide, Change, Transformation" Person 2: "If you change things, did you destroy the old for the new?" Standardization: Erasure of any deviation from the rule/norm for efficiency sake Genocide: Violent acts to erase a culture or branch, putting the group to the test of oblivion War: Violent pissing contest of endurance between groups Progress: Gradual erosion of a peoples by the natural flow of time Stagnation: Culture is left unmolested for eons, no change needs to take place Empathy: Icing on the cake according to your social standings and influence People: Very political, highly specialized, confusing at times, alive for less than 130 years
There's more to it. He wanted the genocide cuz he had to save eldia, cuz he had to save his most important people in the world (his friends), he had to complete the selfish dream (Armin's book view about the world), ending the curse of titans. If he only wanted revenge as you are talking about, it takes out a lot of his characterization. Also, doing 100% genocide does not take out the curse of the titans. People inside of the wall will still eaten themselves for continuing the titans legacy. Also, probably will even become more fucked up since now Eldia is full of fascists
@@jjyt6628 except he didn’t, Eldia wasn’t truly free or even a military power in the end. The would be wiped out in less then a decade in there state. He killed all those innocent for nothing🤣
Notably and how I think it's meant to be interpreted, because the paths exist outside of normal time, Ymir working tirelessly to create the bodies of the titans out of sand may seem like a possible feat, though I'm pretty sure there's been so many pure, nine, and especially wall titans that she had to handmake with sand, and apparently with just one wood bucket not very efficiently... She's probably existed outside of time or reality for an unfathomable amount of time building what is effectively quadruple extra large sandmen with just a bucket. YEAH AT THAT POINT I'D SYMPATHIZE WITH HER CHOOSING VIOLENCE AS AN ESCAPE.
@@ps5056 three plausible answers. 1: Ymir did, while outside of time. Loaned the form however many times then paid back that loan later. 2: Nobody did. True magical shapeshifting because of the magic spine creature. 3: The magic spine creature did. Insert thoughts of spine creature carting a bucket of sand over a few years or so making Ymir Titans.
How i watch new AOT episodes. Step 1) Watch the episode. Step 2) Watch the entire anime again. Step 3) Watch the newest episode(s) again. Step 4) Watch tons of youtube stuff about AOT the next half year-ish.
See, here is the thing, and my personal headcannon is that Ymir is the mastermind all along and not Eren. Ymir created Eren/Attack Titan, they are the embodiment of Ymir's will to be FREE, that's why the Attack Titan has always fought for freedom and has always opposed the Founding Titan(based on what Kruger said). Ymir created Eren as someone who would free her from her servitude and slavery, that's why the title of the first episode is "To you from 2000 years" and the revelation episode which was titled "From you 2000 years ago" or something. It has always been Ymir "controlling" Eren, or atleast made him be obsessed with freedom so that she can free herself.
I half-believe that. The parts of that that are canon are that A. Eren did in fact get that dream from Yimir in episode 1 B. Yimir wanted Eren to come. But other than that we can’t be sure of anything that Yimir engaged in. Eren gave himself the dreams of freedom. Yimir can’t create humans, and Mikasa had an impact on Eren, one which Yimir can’t change on Mikasa because she is not fully eldian. Same with Levi.
@@vuelle9816 but if all of the titan shifters powers come from Ymir then I would presume Ymir can see past, future and present. With that being said I would also presume she’s seen eren do the rumbling. You yourself admitted canonically she wanted eren to come to the coordinate to free her. I can believe it 100%. In the sense that I see eren as the pigs she set free.
Eren didn't free Ymir. He kept as a slave doing his bidding. He used her just like the 1st Eldian King Did as a weapon to destroy the world. Mikasa is the one who freed Ymir.
@@chinyereugwu9431 but it was Eren who only wanted to be killed by his friends because then only they will be safe and secured and world won’t go against them because they stopped The rumbling and this was the purpose of Eren to keep his friends safe and to live long..😊
The REAL reason Eren started the rumbling is because you can't change the past. He has memories of events that are about to come and he knows for sure he can't change a thing. That's why he was laughing when Sasha died. At that point he figured out that FUTURE is unravelling in front of his eyes and all events are fixed and they cannot be changed. Also, I do believe that Ymir wanted for someone, anyone to free her and after so many centuries, events had to play out in exact manner so that one that HAS founding Titan is NOT of Royal blood hence he's not affected by King's will. This allowed for rumbling to happen and with Rumbling, with all enemies of Eldia destroyed, Ymir will finally be FREE.
I agree with your point of view, but I doubt ymir will be free after the rumbling wipes out all of eldia's enemies, as it as happened before and eldia looked inward for enemies, so the same seems bound to repeat, in a never ending cycle
That’s my exact thought. It’s not that eren wants do any of this. He is just a vessel for Ymir’s will. A young individual with the deep, and agressive, longing for freedom. Much like the Royal family gains the will of the 145th king, eren gained the will of Ymir. An example is when he saved that young boy, even though he knew it wouldn’t have mattered, because he would kill him later. He tried to go against the will of Ymir, but still saved him anyways. He cried apologetically. Eren isn’t the villain. He’s the pawn of a much larger god like entity.
It's not that deep bro. Plain and simple, if Paradis island were to be attacked by Marley, the walls would be destroyed and the rumbling would happen anyways. It's not "well humans are bound to repeat history and 80% of the population would die one way or the other in a never ending cycle". No. If Paradise gets attacked, the wall titans will walk.
@@laciadams7899 absolutely not. King Fritz make sure that Rumbling cannot happen. Each new generation of Founding titan was unable to start the rumbling, it was absolutely forbidden. And this worked for each new generation of Founding titan since they were always of royal blood. Have you even watched this anime carefully? It's plain and simple. It was explained well enough.
Ymir was a f****** idiot I get that she was indoctrinated so she was mentally f***** up through her lifetime, I guess I understand why she chose what she chose so on. That being said, that single event of her taking that spear ruins the world essentially. And then after she's dead and is in the paths she sets in motion a complete genocide ruining other people's lives trying to find closure by manipulating Eren and his people, just so she could see a woman like herself do what she couldn't do. Traumatized victims cause more victims. Vicious cycle.
From his own perspective, Eren is right. Either the rest of the world dies to bury the animosity, or all of his people, his friend, family, society, everyone... dies. Why should he value them, those who hate him and his? He tried to find some glimmer of hope and all he found was hatered. He doesnt have a third path. He can choose them.. or he can choose his own
But he could’ve just released a small scale rumbling like Armin said to scare them more or even just destroyed the world’s military. Innocent children did not have to die .
@@london8615 a small scale rumbling wouldn't have worked. It might have kept them safe for awhile, but in 50 years, Marley would have Nukes and use them to kill everyone and no Titan could stop them then.
Eren could have just rumbled the Marley military, made them sue for peace, then keep the Titans as a deterrent while forcing Marley to hand over all their scientists. Then Paradis could catch up tech-wise while depriving Marley of its best and brightest scientific minds. Any tech Marley produced, Paradis could match or surpass it. When everyone has nukes, nobody does.
The Rumbling was his only option to save the people he loved. Not just them but their descendants. However the Osimobitos were right. Eventually those descendents would find some reason to kill each other anyway. Eren did the best he could to give the people left after the rumbling a clean slate. If Paradis waited long enough they wouldn't have the option to use titans due to technological advancements by other nations which were united against them. Though Eren didn't make that any better by eating William Tyber in front of the world leaders
Around 16:38 I don’t think it has ever been mentioned that Marley had a plan to euthanize the Eldians. That was just Zeke‘s plan of which he informed only Yelena apparently. Marley also didn’t know about his royal blood hence why everyone was in the dark about Zeke‘s and Eren‘s plan as well as the key or the condition to set their plan in motion
Example 1 (gradual): A bunch of people had green hair, over time less people had green hair, then no one had green hair. A bunch of people become titans, than the titans cease existing over time. Example 2 (abrupt): All green hair people fight all blue hair people and no green hair person is left. All titans fight all humans and every titan was destroyed. Example 3 (timeless): Green hair people appeared then reigned without change forever. Titans appeared then reigned for all time without any change.
When season 4 starts there’s a scene where they flash files on screen showing the candidates and on zekes file slide they say how he has something in his blood that allowed him to fully master the beast titan so although they didn’t know he had royal blood they knew he had advantages because of his blood.
While true, Marley wasn’t a part of the euthanizing plan, it was Tom Ksavers belief and ideal that spread towards Zeke, thus resulting in it. So the idea itself DID come from technically a trash Marleyan.
Marley's actions aren't comparable to Eldia's history. it's like comparing Trump's America to Hitler's Germany or The British colonising and dominating more than 60% of the world at the height of their Empire. Marley is tame. Eldian went on a Looting, raping, bloody kill spree for thousand of years
Like hange said, nothing can justify genocide. Because Eren could have just attacked their enemy or defended against, instead of killing millions of innocents
Yes but they also mentioned they can't only attack Marley because then their allies and other countries would attack. The Titans are strong but not invincible. As technology advanced people would continue to taunt and attack eldia and their titans after them attacking Marley. That was Erens reasoning for just saying destroy everyone because people will always be at war with them anyway. I get it cuz if we look at today's society, look how countries argue over nuclear weapons and constantly threaten each other with them and are always trying to outdo each other.
Eren had no choice left. He gave them plenty of opportunities to make peace. All they had to do was forget about paradise and pretend it didn't exist. But they dropped the ball at every single occasion. He is the embodient of fuck around and find out.
Eren did nothing wrong. Kill or be killed I can't agree with genocide either but they forced Erens hand. I'm just picturing a serial killer begging the victim not to murder him after the victim gets a leg up but at the same time the serial killer says I'll kill you if you let me go. Tf eren supposed to do. To me this anime is the most pro libertarian show I've seen and it's message seems to be government is evil and responsible for the overwhelming majority of destruction and pain in the world which is true in both the anime and real life. Government is the main antagonist. rumbling is basically eren saying "you see this army of titans? This is what happens when you tread on me "
@@loryndabenson2118YES look at the modern world! Since the advent of a super weapon (nukes) the world has become the most peaceful it has EVER been! Look it up! In the modern age we go YEARS without a single war in the entire western hemisphere or Europe. That has NEVER happened before in the entirety of human history. I get being a nihilist makes attack on Titan particularly interesting but don't try to conflate that world with ours because they do not work the same and don't let that nihilism infect your perspective and objective truths. War is hell for everyone involved especially the people and anyone proposing war or genocide should be held to the highest scrutiny.
@@raizen21ss56Genocide is never justified. You're only rooting for Eren because the narrative followed him. If it followed someone else you'd want them safe instead. It's hypocrisy. And think about what that genocide actually looks like wiping every single individual out. The ones you miss will just become plucky underdogs fighting for their lives and eventually come for you just like Eren did. Violence ONLY begets more violence on the world stage. Look at how Russia has created a monster in Ukraine or US in the middle east. You cannot possibly tell me you have the means and ability to genocide THE ENTIRE WORLD but not the means or ability to defend your home. It's absurd. People have forgotten how awful and vicious wars are. Eren let his righteous anger turn into all consuming hatred. Hatred that ultimately consumed him as well.
I would like to imagine the unnamed guy that killed Ymir while aiming at the king is Helos and his legend of killing the original titan made them take the name again for the false feat. of defeating Eldia.
They can’t feed Eren to Zeke. And Zeke also was keeping his royal blood a secret so no one in Marley knew. Zeke wanted to use the founding to genocide the Eldians by making them unable to reproduce and ending the Titan powers, which he can only do in the Paths while in contact with the Founder. He himself cannot have the founder or he will fall to the Vow of Renouncing War.
Ymir really did get doomed though she could've easily have killed Fritz and have taken over the kingdom. It's not like anyone during her time could've stopped her
She seemed to be a broken slave who just wanted to be loved. Imagine if Fritz just gave her a hug and told her she was important to him as a person. The AOT universe would have been wildly different.
I've only watched the show so idk if any more information is revealed in the manga, but it strikes me as bizarre to say Ymir loved Fritz. I believe the reason she did the things she did, like staying under his services after obtaining titan powers, is because much like Eren she had received visions from the future telling her what must be done to achieve what she wants, hence(not to downplay what she went through)her blank expression on her face throughout the flashbacks that is similar to s4 Erens expression. That would explain why she died after taking that spear, as she didn't have anything to live for after setting up the titan lineage, and she moved on to the coordinate to carry it all out. If we are to assume the 9 represent aspects of Ymir, like the cart representing her being a slave, or the warhammer her being a creator and destroyer, then the attack titan could represent her drive for freedom and revenge against not just her oppressors, but also the people who complied and betrayed her. This would explain why she seemed to instantly ditch the orders of a royal once Eren proposed the rumbling to her, as she never really was under the royals control, she was just playing along to the plan that was set in motion all that time ago(or that just was), much like Eren being a slave to himself
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Attack on titan is such an interesting show. Despite all the messed up things Marley and Eldia did, I can sympathize with both sides. I feel like the show doesn’t really have any bad guys or good guys. Everyone is just doing what they think is right.
I think that's the whole point of the show. From a certain perspective, everyone has done some amount of wrong to somebody and the only way it stops is either with mass death, or mass forgiveness and understanding.
Eh idk, call it simple thinking or whatever but Marley had an opportunity for peace. The scouts after learning about why the outside world hated them, why they were attacked, chose to seek peace and change the perspective of Paradis. The world was committed to seeing them dead. I don’t think fear is a justification when it was clear science and military advancements were surpassing Titans.
@@ColeSpeaks103 "Marley had an opportunity for peace" No, they didn't. Nobody besides the Tybur family even knew there were Paradiseans in the crowd. There is no peace to be made, if nobody knows who you are. This was basically Eren giving the people of Marley a one-sided ultimatum, never telling them about it, and then murdering everyone who had nothing to do with anything. And before you say "Well, he can't just stop, because nations will retaliate", RETALIATE WITH WHAT??? Every military in the world was destroyed in 30 seconds, and Eren can do it as many times as necessary. This also comes with a fundamental misunderstanding of how nations actually work. Upon seeing the fact that EVERY COMBINED MILITARY IN THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED IN A MATTER OF SECONDS, 90% of nations would surrender. If a nation doesn't, he can crush them, but there's no need to go as far as Eren did. "Well, everyone knew about Eren's raid on Liberio, so this would get EVERYONE to hate him." That's entirely his own fault. HE ATTACKED LIBERIO. Also, you mean to tell me that every individual in every nation knows about this? There are people TODAY in the age of easily-consumable 24/7 news that still can't keep up, yet alone when you have to get it via newspapers, and most of the news is several days old. SPOILERS AHEAD, DON'T READ PAST THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE MANGA "Oh, but Eren only has a limited amount of time left", Eren literally eradicated titans from existence at the end of the series, and you mean to tell me he can't just extend his own life? "But we see in the final extra chapter that the outside-world is bombing Paradis, so Eren was totally justified", If you actually think about it for more than 5 seconds, that's clearly not what happened. Remember the final chapter shows all of the main-characters(which are mostly Paradiseans) working a peaceful relationship with the outside-world, and they're returning the Paradis for audience with the Queen on a PEACE-MISSION. The remaining survivors of the outside were willing to make peace. However, we know that the island is controlled by xenophobic, genocidal Jaegerists, so either Historia refused to make peace, or the Jaegerists became more blood-thirsty, or someone who took the throne after her tried to kill the outside-world again. In other words, given what we see in the final chapters, this levels the blame of the bombing of Paradis ENTIRELY on the Paradiseans. The Rumbling is also just a supremely stupid strategy as it's presented. It is quite literally the WORST POSSIBLE MOVE Eren can make for a multitude of reasons: 1)It leave the entire outside-world burned and uninhabitable for the foreseeable future if it's successful, which leaves them exactly where they started: Stuck on an island. 2)If there are any surviving volunteers(which we know there are), and we also know there are plenty of Paradiseans who are mad at Eren for destroying their homes and killing/injuring their families when the Rumbling started, so it makes since for them to join teams and create a rebel-group against the Jaegerists, which would spark a Civil-War(and also put his friends in even more danger than if he just did nothing at all). Depending on the outcome of this Civil-War, either Paradis just becomes the new Eldian Empire, ruling and killing with an iron-fist(not very freedom of them), or the status-quo from the outside-world gets brought to the island, and nothing changes. There were a billion different solutions that didn't require the complete genocide of either side, but "Boo-hoo, the outside world isn't like what I read in a book. Time to destroy everything" and "muh freederm". TL;DR: No, the Rumbling not only not justified, it's also a stupid strategy.
I honestly love this show. There is no true villain and no true hero. Everyone is just human and doing what humans do: protect the people they love, look after their own interest, and screwing over their enemies. It's nice to see a show that explores the gray morality of humanity. We're so used to reading material that is one sided, there must always be a good guy/good side and their must always be a bad guy/bad side. But nothing in real life is ever that simple, because humans are not simple, and the concept of good and evil arent that simple either
Out of everyone in the AOT universe, Ymir suffered the most. Only if there were therapists back then, I mean yea it's funny to imagine Ymir sitting in front of a therapist telling them about her feelings and them writing everything on a paper, "So u can become a humongous entity yet u serve a tyrant that enslaved u? Sounds like a trauma bond girl. Know ur worth period!!" And the next thing u know Ymir has recovered from her slave mindset, overthrows Fritz and everyone lives happily ever after. The End.
Ymir is not a victim. To me, someone's psychological state does not justify actions or innactions. Sure she suffered her whole life but does that give her the right to ruin Eren's ?
Another reason maps aren't drawn with the south pole at the top is because compasses were originally designed to point north and it would be unnecessarily confusing. Technically they point both north and south, but the south end is weighted a bit more to keep the needle level. Those used in the southern hemisphere have the north side weighted more.
Posting this before I watch, I think Erin was SUPER consistent with his goals the entire time. Kill them all. The entire world wanted to end his people on the island. At the start it was the titans trying to kill all his people and that’s where he started. As the threat expanded he expanded his targets.
It's not is eren right or wrong it's what choice did he have It was either the rumbling or him and everyone he knows dies marley backed him into a corner and gave him no way out so he went with the nuclear option
Eren is wrong. Why should the world keep on suffering because of the Eldians? Eldians have already killed 3 times the world's population and here Eren comes along to do it again. Why is that right or even a debate. Why should the world be wiped out for the sake of a few thousand on an Island? It shouldn't. The world should have wiped out the Eldians as soon as they gained their freedom. Eren wasn't backed into a corner. eren and Zeke manipulated them to get the world to attack Paradis. Marley did bad things but compared to Eldian's bloody history, they are angels. That's why the very last pages of AOT Manga were my favs. Good Riddance.
He had a choice. He chose genocide. Marley didn't back him into anything. In fact, he put himself in that position purposefully because he wanted to do the rumbling. He all but admits it to Armin. Genocide is NEVER justifiable.
@@chinyereugwu9431 at this point the world hasn't been suffering because of the eldians atleast not directly marley has been using them as weapons for along time Most of the eldians are contained on an island not doing anything marley set this whole thing in motion because they wanted the founding titan What do you think marley was planning to do with it? The war mongers who literally rained titans on their enemies? Nothing good I'm sure If marley wasn't so obsessed with using titan powers for their own gain they would have just executed all the eldians in their country or just stopped using them as weapons an leave them in the slums and the rest wouldn't have done anything because the reiss family was perfectly content to do nothing
@@chinyereugwu9431what are you talking about guy? Yes the Eldian empire prior to Paradis was terrible but the world didn’t HAVE to suffer again. Eren and the scouts did not make Marley start their attack on Paradis and even after the scouts found out about why they were being attacked they didn’t retaliate. They exhausted every attempt to change the perception of Eldians on Paradis and make peace. The world was committed to seeing them dead. Were they just supposed to lay down and die? Eren didn’t kill a single Marleyan until they declared war on Paradis. He had to push the rumbling as far as he did because their plan of just destroying the army fleets was insufficient. It would only give them 50-100 years and they would have to force Historia and all her descendants to have as many children as possible to keep the threat of the rumbling. He had to force the world to work with Paradis to kill him to end the “cycle of hatred” for good, ensuring at least his friends could experience the true freedom he never got to. Smh
you know the erin is would be kind of a hero if he won because there would be no humans to be sad and the titans would lose their porpose of killing all humanity. right?
I think that Eren does not really want to commit genocide but instead wants the world to come together to stop him so maybe they can see that they can work together.
i think in a way that is true, but the way i see it, is that he does not want to commit mass genocide, but it is the only way to get freedom for his friends.
Nah man earlier he wanted to cuz all the memories he got from grisha , through it the world he saw was just evil against eldians , he did not see any of the good side so in that pov yeah erena was brain washed by grisha + there was this childlike fantasy of eren that he wanted the world as he dreamed of and saw in armin's + what se saw of ymir's past and , his own past cuz he saw many people have died for him to come up to this point + his own ideology of freedom , and he fully well knew that he wasn't free , so that all bubbling inside him caused the genocide , protecting his island was just an excuse , eren is really overprotective of his friends + the influence of all 3 titans inside him ,he not some psycho who enjoys killing innocent people , but when he started the genocide and saw that his friend are trying to stop him and realized what I am doing cant be right for sure , otherwise they won't come to stop me and after seeing horror of genocide he probably changed his mind in middle of rumbling just my theory
This is incorrect and not what actually happens. He literally kills most of the world with the rumbling which is billions of people. He self-acknowledges there are better ways and that he wants the rumbling because he was disappointed in the world that he learned existed outside the walls was not the same as he had imagined. Eren is not a moral character and is literally not a moral character throughout the entire series. Actual moral characters are characters like Hange.
There is something guys you didn’t pay attention to. Eren at the start of this new episode, when talking to the little kid, he was crying apologizing and blaming himself before anything happens. Before even criticizing eren, think about the idea that there was not an another choice other than the rumbling. He kept the titans powers with his comrades, which means he himself didn’t accept that idea or consider it as an option. He wanted them to stop him at any cost . Eren was just a tool between Ymir’s hands which maybe is controlling him, affecting his thoughts or maybe manipulating him. So depending on his comrades help to stop him was the last card Eren threw before he activates the rumbling, minimizing even a little bit the effects of the rumbling. Eren was always a pawn in this game and the most misunderstood character of all time.
Idk I would interpret it more as Erens ultimate goal is freedom and I guess even ymir since she ends up siding with Eren so it would go against that idea if they took their powers for the sake of keeping control?
I supported Zeke's plan as well at first. But I remembered that the world was still planning to attack and genocide everyone on Paradis. Even without Eren's stunt, the Island would have eventually been besieged from all sides.
The 3 options at the end assume that committing genocide actually solves the problem, and that there is no other way. So there are actually a lot more than 3 options.
@@wingblade6023 Zekes plan wasn't to stop the fighting, it was to stop future generations from ever having to worry about Titans. He was thinking long term. A real world example of this is Mass Sterilization. Many countries, even USA, would involuntarily inject women of certain groups with a serum to make them infertile, because they believed they could not co-exist with those groups of people. Both USA and Nazis used force sterilization on immigrants, Black and Indigenous people, poor people, Puerto Rican people, poor White people, incarcerated people, and those living with disabilities.
Eren was justified in starting the rumbling. Out of all the available options I think he chose the better one. Atleast better than the Euthanisation plan. Hear me out. 1) Lifting the curse of Ymir and the hate and titan cycle: I think this is the most important reason why he is justified. Erin empathised with Ymir and wanted to free her from her slavery and end the curse and rid the world of Titan ability. Because Ymir accepted, the hallucigenia was transferred to Erin along with full powers of the founding titan. 2) Erin didn't take away the Titan power of his friends. If we was a complete maniac then he would have taken away everyone's power so that no one stands in his way. But he allows his friends to keep their powers and in fact invites them to kill him. In a way he became the villain in order for his friends to become the heroes of the world. The remaining world will view the Eldians as their savior and hence after his death, no racism and discrimination. He wanted his friends to stop him and kill the founding Titan and the hallucigenia, which started it all. Had the world not been as cruel as it is, I think he wouldn't have made the choice. However, because of the racism, discrimination and unforgivingness he had to do it. Will Tybur's declaration of war was the last straw. If Willy had tried negotiating peace then things wouldn't have gone this far. The culture, people, circumstances all contributed to Erin being pushed to the corner. Finally, he will be able to achieve his dream of eradicating the titans, unfortunately his dream will be achieved with his end. Attack of Titan reminds me of Spiderman's most famous quote - With great power comes great responsibility. Had power been used responsibly without abusing it, things wouldn't have gone far. Human greed got in the way and destroyed it all. King Fritz was where everything started to go wrong. And it needed something radical to reset things. That was brought about by the rumbling.
The real reason why eren wants rumbling is so that he can let his bestest friend armin in the world to rumbling with armin, now that's what you call a strong friendship
Yknow when you take a step back and look at the overall story the creator of this great series as more then likely studied history of humanity. Cause I can see parallels to historical real life events during times of war, oppression, and brainwashing. Sadly a lot of this stuff still happens today minus giants eating people.
Most thought provoking anime attempts to reflect society/ reality and put in real life lessons. HxH, Code Geass, FMAB, etc. AOT did it really good but it’s but it’s not unique
Since stand your ground is something I am not willing to compromise on there is really only one option for Eren in my opinion. And from the outside: Well, when both of the options presented are genocide I just leave the room.
Lmao same. Imagine if your attacked by 10 people and your only allowed to kill 2 of them to defend yourself because one person is less than 10. Democracy!
loved your video man! only thing im pretty sure that Ymir died cuz the 13 years of life span of a titan expired thats why she died + wound ( i dont think they they can chose to heal or not)
TBH, I honestly HATED the marlians and Gabi but know you have OFFERED ME MORE INSIGHT upon this issue . the marlians had every right to do what they did after over 6 billion people were killed in the past and were oppressed by the eldians. WOW! i never thought i would say that. BTW, I will forever hate Gabi, despite watching this video and YOU SHOULD TOO
No, Ok lets pose a situation. 2,000 years ago a guy name Bob killed a guy named Joe. You positing that in 2,000 Bob's great x100 grandson deserves to die for that crime. But of course Joe was the great great grand son of Billy who killed Allen and so Joe deserves to die too. Eventually you start realizing that either everyone deserves to die because of some ancient ancestor doing bad things or that none of them deserve to die for shit that happened in the past by people that are not them.
@@TheLastSane1 WOAHHHH! that's an interesting twist. But also, put it like this, a group have been oppressed for hundreds of years, dehumanised and having all their rights taken off them with no possible way to oppose said dictators. the dictators go to a remote place and leave everyone alone for a while. the group (as a whole) that were discriminated against would probably fight against the oppressors at any possible chance they could, in fear that they could be picked on again. You're right in the fact that the current generation of eldians do not deserve any punishment inflicted on them due to their previous generations, but I get why they would do it. I think i worded it really bad originally so THANK YOUU!! Also, this is SUPER INTERESTING!🙃
Question, what makes you think "Ymir had grown to love Fritz"?? I feel like Ymir never felt love, not even with her children, as is portrayed by her constant gloomy appearance and emotionless expression. Plus, Fritz always referred to her as "my slave".
16:20 This is an very good video....Makes me nostalgic....I remember when there only existed Season 1 and everything was a bit more simple 😂👌 But the "truth" behind attack on Titan we know now is pretty damn good and makes sense.
My only correction is that Marley sent the Warriors to Paradis for the resources that were on the island, and only needed the founder because they were worried the rumbling would start. They didn’t know Zeke had royal blood, and were not aware of his euthanization plan. Great video!
Lets be honest it makes no sense at all how after 1000 years he’s 154th king😭 like be real now after 5 generations of living to the bare minimum of 30 years 150 years… that stacks up quickly
I believe the overall theme of the story is the power of the titans, which could be equated to nukes. Which is why the end credits scene is so impactful, we see that as time progresses, the world eventually nukes itself in the end, and a cliffhanger to a potential restart of the Titan/Nuke cycle. Eren had no control whatsoever which is why he apologized to the boy in Marley, he is so out of control, he has to cope with the rumbling by imagining himself as a child flying above the clouds, clouds made of colossal Titan steam. Eren was a chess piece used by Ymir to take away the power of the titans, thus bringing in the age of nuclear weapons and the cycle repeats.
The concept of time in AoT is just the concept of time itself. If you understand how Eren's character works then you understand how time actually flows according to physics. Just thought it was funny you differentiate the 2 but really the author understands time well enough to explain it through their stories
@@Adsper2000 i know that i saw the episode, just wondering if as the video says, the attack titan stayed at the island. How did it end up on marley? Did you try to say it never was on paradis?
Just gotta say.. a massive and crucial part of history is not written by victors, but by those who were dominated. Alot of our most potent and important history lies in firsthand accounts of victims. This is a big part of eldian/marlian history too
That's the complete opposite of what Winston Churchill said "history is written by the victors," but according to actual historians, "history is written by those who actually took the time to write things down and leave evidence behind, and history can be revised and challenged by different perspectives and sources over time." I'm going to side the historians. Even in Attack on Titan, the history of Eldians was told completely different by Marley, by the Eldians in Marley, by the Eldians in Paradis, and then retold by Will Tybur.
This was a great video especially for the "Eren was right" thought process. "Right" is beyond a gray area in things like this and sometimes there isn't a right. Sometimes it's just that we are all wrong.
I still have so many questions. What is the spine-like creature? Why does it make titans? Why are the coordenates a thing? Why was Ymir tasked with building the titans? Why is she forced to follow the Fritz family?
It’s my understanding that it’s supposed to be the source of all life on earth. They never dove into why it transformed ymir into a titan though. But i’m assuming she was tasked with building the titans because she was the first one maybe?
The AOT map isn't just an upside down version of our globe though. It's also mirrored. That's why North and South America are still oriented on the left side. The planet still seems to have the same orientation in relation to its orbit of the sun also. That's why the Island of Paradis has more cultural and climate similarities to areas near real world Germany than real world Madagascar. Paradis would share the same relative latitude and longitude of that area of real world Europe if the planet's orientation were still the same as ours, so their north is also our north. That's what everything seems to point to in my mind anyway...
The AoT world doesn't simply put the South at the top, it's mirrored. If you rotated it so that what we see as North was at the top, it would seem back-to-front (with the Americas in the East and Asia in the West)
Wall titans isn't actualy a colossal titan, but people just mistaken them as colossal titan because if their colossal like apearance. But in some cases, their different titans
A counter-point on the 2:25 mark AOT's world map still tracks on how the orientation works. Marley encompasses all of "Africa" in this universe. And it's a map likely drawn by them. And you know how.... *nationally militant* Marley is so it fits with the idea that Marley is on top and center of the world. Which would be upside-dpwn Africa.
okay i know at 14:03 he said that the founding and attack titan both retreated to paradis island, but wasn’t eren kruger (the attack titan before grisha) an eldian from marley?
Anyone else see the parallels of paradis being Japan and Marley being the US. Nukes being Titans, the church of the wall being proponents of demilitarization. The devastation of Logos and the grape of Nanking? Its not perfect as all metaphors shouldnt be and its even smart to make it less complex by having Marley stand in for the US and China in different examples so its easier for readers to follow.
Isn't it outstanding that the titans have the appearance of monsters yet the humans on every sight of this story are the ones committing the monstrosities? Eren failed at being a decent person like everyone before him because he's human and his very humane feelings turned him into a monster. The dicotomy of mankind: be the victim or the perpetrator.
Marley picked right where Fritz's legacy left off, only when the whole world knows the truth and the pain with it, should the rumbling stop but IRL we little people will never affect the agendas being played out...
Imagine being an ancient marley soldier and having to fight the warhammer titan with swords, bows and arrows. Also why didn't marley give zeke both the warhammer and beast so he could generate things to throw?
At first I was really confused about the Ending, often did I think that Eldia had gained freedom after Eren's sacrifice. But after careful consideration, Eldia had not gained freedom after all. There still lie some form of conflicts between Eldia and the remaining 20 percent of the population. Through which Eldia have to sought to military power. That eventually means that Erens plan was a failure, or possibly Isayama hadn't presented it to us that well. But in either cases, it is definitely evident that Eren as well wasn't free and had been under the influence of the curse of Ymir ever since he touched Historia's hand. There was a reason why the Attack Titan's secret ability was kept a secret from the Royal Family. Ymir had used Eren as a pawn to manipulate event's in order to free herself, which is once again pretty baseless since Eren's sole 20 seconds of talk was able to free Ymir to what she couldn't do for 2000 years. It was also evident when Eren says that she waited 2000 years for someone. This baseless ending has also ruined the characters of Mikasa who was revealed to be a psychopathic lover towards Eren and was often situated as a scenario of love through which it was seen as similar to Ymir as she was in love with King Fritz, yes a 17 year old girl in love with a king that possibly killed her family, used her as a pawn for military power, cut of her tongue and sexual assaulted her. Mikasas entire character was enhanced to be nothing but a pawn, that was chosen by Ymir. It just pains me to see how 80 percent of the populations memory, past, history and dreams was sacrificed due to Eren's manipulated dream, this man killed 80 percent of human population cause he felt like it. I might as well prefer Eren destroying all of human society and having manipulated the alliances minds to retreat in order for Eldia to finally live in a society without war and conflict. And Eren and Armin having a conversation about Mikasa as the series conclusion really made me pissed. I'm literally just hoping for the AOE Theory to be true. I can't bear to see these fan's defending this ending because it was realistic and that there was no other choice.
Erens plan wasn't a failure. He didn't complete his plan lmao, HAD he, It'd have been a success lmao. But since his plan was stopped, the plan itself didn't fail or succeed, it was only partially inacted, his plan was to wipe out everyone, not. And "just cause he wanted" no. He didn't just want to destroy the world lmao. He was literally saving his people, it's QUITE evident he DIDNT want to do that. There was literally no other choice BUT to do it, without fucking himself or his people over. That's erens whole thing and always has been, he'll fight/kill the enemies presented to him, and he'll protect the ones he love (think of when he stabbed this guys who were hunting Asians((Mikasa)) Had he not did the rumbling, the rest of the world would have fucked them over. If not because of hate, THEn for the rare materials found ONLY in the island which they use to create the ODM gear (ice burst stone) they tried talking it out , they tried for peace , hell even 100% minding their business on the island literally as innocent as can be , Marley STILL came to fuck with them. No matter WHAT, the island was going to be attacked, and NOT doing the rumbling, meant being sitting ducks for Marley, or the rest of the world. Erens plan didn't fail, again, it wasn't fully inacted TO fail. And even tho he couldn't fully complete the plan, it was still a success on a SMALL scale, as he gave his friends safety. But the rumbling was the only way to save his people, the only way to end that cycle.
Mikasa love for Eren was good hearted it's just that then dynamic between her and Eren was toxic because of the world they lived in constant taking Eren away from her and making Eren run away and ymir sawthat , finally Mikasa overcame that which freed ymir from the curse of the hallucigenia
Yeah, the series makes it pretty clear that despite all each side has done, that's merely an excuse as the act of punishing someone for the actions of someone else is always wrong. As Sasha's adopted younger sister asked Gabi, what did she do to deserve this, what did Sasha do, what did their parents do?
Just a note: Around 14 mins you mention Marley had 7/9 titans and Paradis had the attack and founding.
Remember Paradis only had the founding, the Attack Titan only arrived once the owl gave it to Grisha and sent him to the walls, then to give it to Eren.
Yup. In truth, neither Paradis nor Marley had the Attack Titan until Eren joined the (Paradis) Scouts.
The owl worked for peredis therefore peredis had attack titan
@@jordanjones7013 More like the Owl was working for Future Eren without knowing it.
Incorrect
You mean Eren gave the attack titan to Eren
Dude just woke up, learned the history of the world. Decided to end the world....
Seems fair enough...
Dude literally sacrificed the world for the bros. I'd do the same
Just like ultron in the mcu
person 1: "If you want to end yourselves go for it but leave the world out of it"
Person 2: "I can do what I want?, I don't care about death but morality?"
Person 1: "You don't need humanity, you owe humanity nothing!"
Person 2: "Does that apply to you?, do I owe you anything?"
Person 1: "Standardization, Conformity, Genocide, Change, Transformation"
Person 2: "If you change things, did you destroy the old for the new?"
Standardization:
Erasure of any deviation from the rule/norm for efficiency sake
Genocide:
Violent acts to erase a culture or branch, putting the group to the test of oblivion
War:
Violent pissing contest of endurance between groups
Progress:
Gradual erosion of a peoples by the natural flow of time
Stagnation:
Culture is left unmolested for eons, no change needs to take place
Empathy:
Icing on the cake according to your social standings and influence
People:
Very political, highly specialized, confusing at times, alive for less than 130 years
There's more to it. He wanted the genocide cuz he had to save eldia, cuz he had to save his most important people in the world (his friends), he had to complete the selfish dream (Armin's book view about the world), ending the curse of titans.
If he only wanted revenge as you are talking about, it takes out a lot of his characterization. Also, doing 100% genocide does not take out the curse of the titans. People inside of the wall will still eaten themselves for continuing the titans legacy. Also, probably will even become more fucked up since now Eldia is full of fascists
@@jjyt6628 except he didn’t, Eldia wasn’t truly free or even a military power in the end. The would be wiped out in less then a decade in there state. He killed all those innocent for nothing🤣
Notably and how I think it's meant to be interpreted, because the paths exist outside of normal time, Ymir working tirelessly to create the bodies of the titans out of sand may seem like a possible feat, though I'm pretty sure there's been so many pure, nine, and especially wall titans that she had to handmake with sand, and apparently with just one wood bucket not very efficiently... She's probably existed outside of time or reality for an unfathomable amount of time building what is effectively quadruple extra large sandmen with just a bucket.
YEAH AT THAT POINT I'D SYMPATHIZE WITH HER CHOOSING VIOLENCE AS AN ESCAPE.
my questio is: who builf Ymirs founding titan body?
@@ps5056 three plausible answers.
1: Ymir did, while outside of time. Loaned the form however many times then paid back that loan later.
2: Nobody did. True magical shapeshifting because of the magic spine creature.
3: The magic spine creature did. Insert thoughts of spine creature carting a bucket of sand over a few years or so making Ymir Titans.
How i watch new AOT episodes.
Step 1) Watch the episode.
Step 2) Watch the entire anime again.
Step 3) Watch the newest episode(s) again.
Step 4) Watch tons of youtube stuff about AOT the next half year-ish.
See, here is the thing, and my personal headcannon is that Ymir is the mastermind all along and not Eren.
Ymir created Eren/Attack Titan, they are the embodiment of Ymir's will to be FREE, that's why the Attack Titan has always fought for freedom and has always opposed the Founding Titan(based on what Kruger said).
Ymir created Eren as someone who would free her from her servitude and slavery, that's why the title of the first episode is "To you from 2000 years" and the revelation episode which was titled "From you 2000 years ago" or something.
It has always been Ymir "controlling" Eren, or atleast made him be obsessed with freedom so that she can free herself.
I half-believe that. The parts of that that are canon are that
A. Eren did in fact get that dream from Yimir in episode 1
B. Yimir wanted Eren to come.
But other than that we can’t be sure of anything that Yimir engaged in. Eren gave himself the dreams of freedom. Yimir can’t create humans, and Mikasa had an impact on Eren, one which Yimir can’t change on Mikasa because she is not fully eldian. Same with Levi.
@@vuelle9816 but if all of the titan shifters powers come from Ymir then I would presume Ymir can see past, future and present. With that being said I would also presume she’s seen eren do the rumbling. You yourself admitted canonically she wanted eren to come to the coordinate to free her. I can believe it 100%. In the sense that I see eren as the pigs she set free.
Eren didn't free Ymir. He kept as a slave doing his bidding. He used her just like the 1st Eldian King Did as a weapon to destroy the world. Mikasa is the one who freed Ymir.
@@chinyereugwu9431 ooohh yeah you have a point
@@chinyereugwu9431 but it was Eren who only wanted to be killed by his friends because then only they will be safe and secured and world won’t go against them because they stopped The rumbling and this was the purpose of Eren to keep his friends safe and to live long..😊
The REAL reason Eren started the rumbling is because you can't change the past. He has memories of events that are about to come and he knows for sure he can't change a thing.
That's why he was laughing when Sasha died. At that point he figured out that FUTURE is unravelling in front of his eyes and all events are fixed and they cannot be changed.
Also, I do believe that Ymir wanted for someone, anyone to free her and after so many centuries, events had to play out in exact manner so that one that HAS founding Titan is NOT of Royal blood hence he's not affected by King's will. This allowed for rumbling to happen and with Rumbling, with all enemies of Eldia destroyed, Ymir will finally be FREE.
He was basically a slave to Ymir's wishes in the end
Eren was never free, unfortunately for him
I agree with your point of view, but I doubt ymir will be free after the rumbling wipes out all of eldia's enemies, as it as happened before and eldia looked inward for enemies, so the same seems bound to repeat, in a never ending cycle
That’s my exact thought. It’s not that eren wants do any of this. He is just a vessel for Ymir’s will. A young individual with the deep, and agressive, longing for freedom. Much like the Royal family gains the will of the 145th king, eren gained the will of Ymir. An example is when he saved that young boy, even though he knew it wouldn’t have mattered, because he would kill him later. He tried to go against the will of Ymir, but still saved him anyways. He cried apologetically.
Eren isn’t the villain. He’s the pawn of a much larger god like entity.
It's not that deep bro. Plain and simple, if Paradis island were to be attacked by Marley, the walls would be destroyed and the rumbling would happen anyways.
It's not "well humans are bound to repeat history and 80% of the population would die one way or the other in a never ending cycle". No. If Paradise gets attacked, the wall titans will walk.
@@laciadams7899 absolutely not. King Fritz make sure that Rumbling cannot happen. Each new generation of Founding titan was unable to start the rumbling, it was absolutely forbidden. And this worked for each new generation of Founding titan since they were always of royal blood.
Have you even watched this anime carefully? It's plain and simple. It was explained well enough.
Imagine if Ymir Fritz let the king take the spear, instead of protecting him.
Be patient and pray to the animation gods my friend is all I can say
Heh
Titans would be over. Paths would never happen because he wouldn’t feed the spine. No more titans. Gg no re
Ymir was a f****** idiot I get that she was indoctrinated so she was mentally f***** up through her lifetime, I guess I understand why she chose what she chose so on. That being said, that single event of her taking that spear ruins the world essentially. And then after she's dead and is in the paths she sets in motion a complete genocide ruining other people's lives trying to find closure by manipulating Eren and his people, just so she could see a woman like herself do what she couldn't do. Traumatized victims cause more victims. Vicious cycle.
@@jooniebewatchin But would the parasite die though? Or would it survive and find a new host to infect?
From his own perspective, Eren is right. Either the rest of the world dies to bury the animosity, or all of his people, his friend, family, society, everyone... dies. Why should he value them, those who hate him and his? He tried to find some glimmer of hope and all he found was hatered. He doesnt have a third path. He can choose them.. or he can choose his own
But he could’ve just released a small scale rumbling like Armin said to scare them more or even just destroyed the world’s military. Innocent children did not have to die .
@@london8615 a small scale rumbling wouldn't have worked. It might have kept them safe for awhile, but in 50 years, Marley would have Nukes and use them to kill everyone and no Titan could stop them then.
Eren could have just rumbled the Marley military, made them sue for peace, then keep the Titans as a deterrent while forcing Marley to hand over all their scientists. Then Paradis could catch up tech-wise while depriving Marley of its best and brightest scientific minds. Any tech Marley produced, Paradis could match or surpass it. When everyone has nukes, nobody does.
The Rumbling was his only option to save the people he loved. Not just them but their descendants. However the Osimobitos were right. Eventually those descendents would find some reason to kill each other anyway. Eren did the best he could to give the people left after the rumbling a clean slate. If Paradis waited long enough they wouldn't have the option to use titans due to technological advancements by other nations which were united against them. Though Eren didn't make that any better by eating William Tyber in front of the world leaders
@@london8615 rumbling was absolutely necessary and I didn’t think for a second that eren was at fault
Around 16:38 I don’t think it has ever been mentioned that Marley had a plan to euthanize the Eldians. That was just Zeke‘s plan of which he informed only Yelena apparently. Marley also didn’t know about his royal blood hence why everyone was in the dark about Zeke‘s and Eren‘s plan as well as the key or the condition to set their plan in motion
Example 1 (gradual):
A bunch of people had green hair, over time less people had green hair, then no one had green hair.
A bunch of people become titans, than the titans cease existing over time.
Example 2 (abrupt):
All green hair people fight all blue hair people and no green hair person is left.
All titans fight all humans and every titan was destroyed.
Example 3 (timeless):
Green hair people appeared then reigned without change forever.
Titans appeared then reigned for all time without any change.
When season 4 starts there’s a scene where they flash files on screen showing the candidates and on zekes file slide they say how he has something in his blood that allowed him to fully master the beast titan so although they didn’t know he had royal blood they knew he had advantages because of his blood.
While true, Marley wasn’t a part of the euthanizing plan, it was Tom Ksavers belief and ideal that spread towards Zeke, thus resulting in it. So the idea itself DID come from technically a trash Marleyan.
@@DxnnyLyhe was eldian that’s why his wife killed the son and herself remember
Adding on to that: Zeke's plan wasn't euthanizing the Eldian, it was sterilizing them.
Tbh, the world is right to be afraid of the Eldians. Marley is just as quick to abuse titan power for their purposes so they're not any better.
Marley's actions aren't comparable to Eldia's history. it's like comparing Trump's America to Hitler's Germany or The British colonising and dominating more than 60% of the world at the height of their Empire. Marley is tame. Eldian went on a Looting, raping, bloody kill spree for thousand of years
Like hange said, nothing can justify genocide. Because Eren could have just attacked their enemy or defended against, instead of killing millions of innocents
Yes but they also mentioned they can't only attack Marley because then their allies and other countries would attack. The Titans are strong but not invincible. As technology advanced people would continue to taunt and attack eldia and their titans after them attacking Marley. That was Erens reasoning for just saying destroy everyone because people will always be at war with them anyway. I get it cuz if we look at today's society, look how countries argue over nuclear weapons and constantly threaten each other with them and are always trying to outdo each other.
Eren had no choice left. He gave them plenty of opportunities to make peace. All they had to do was forget about paradise and pretend it didn't exist. But they dropped the ball at every single occasion. He is the embodient of fuck around and find out.
Eren did nothing wrong. Kill or be killed I can't agree with genocide either but they forced Erens hand. I'm just picturing a serial killer begging the victim not to murder him after the victim gets a leg up but at the same time the serial killer says I'll kill you if you let me go. Tf eren supposed to do. To me this anime is the most pro libertarian show I've seen and it's message seems to be government is evil and responsible for the overwhelming majority of destruction and pain in the world which is true in both the anime and real life. Government is the main antagonist. rumbling is basically eren saying "you see this army of titans? This is what happens when you tread on me "
@@loryndabenson2118YES look at the modern world! Since the advent of a super weapon (nukes) the world has become the most peaceful it has EVER been! Look it up!
In the modern age we go YEARS without a single war in the entire western hemisphere or Europe. That has NEVER happened before in the entirety of human history.
I get being a nihilist makes attack on Titan particularly interesting but don't try to conflate that world with ours because they do not work the same and don't let that nihilism infect your perspective and objective truths.
War is hell for everyone involved especially the people and anyone proposing war or genocide should be held to the highest scrutiny.
@@raizen21ss56Genocide is never justified. You're only rooting for Eren because the narrative followed him. If it followed someone else you'd want them safe instead.
It's hypocrisy.
And think about what that genocide actually looks like wiping every single individual out. The ones you miss will just become plucky underdogs fighting for their lives and eventually come for you just like Eren did.
Violence ONLY begets more violence on the world stage. Look at how Russia has created a monster in Ukraine or US in the middle east.
You cannot possibly tell me you have the means and ability to genocide THE ENTIRE WORLD but not the means or ability to defend your home. It's absurd.
People have forgotten how awful and vicious wars are. Eren let his righteous anger turn into all consuming hatred. Hatred that ultimately consumed him as well.
I would like to imagine the unnamed guy that killed Ymir while aiming at the king is Helos and his legend of killing the original titan made them take the name again for the false feat. of defeating Eldia.
They can’t feed Eren to Zeke. And Zeke also was keeping his royal blood a secret so no one in Marley knew.
Zeke wanted to use the founding to genocide the Eldians by making them unable to reproduce and ending the Titan powers, which he can only do in the Paths while in contact with the Founder. He himself cannot have the founder or he will fall to the Vow of Renouncing War.
Throne of Six Billion Corpses sounds like the title of a brutal album
The title : why eren started the rumling
The content : a review of AOT timeline
He had way more than a couple thousand, it’s mentioned that there were millions spanning the entirety of the walls
Ymir really did get doomed though she could've easily have killed Fritz and have taken over the kingdom. It's not like anyone during her time could've stopped her
Well she had a slaves mindset.
Slaves cannot think for themselves tragically
Swear bro if I was her ima pull a killmonger "I’m your king now"😂
She seemed to be a broken slave who just wanted to be loved. Imagine if Fritz just gave her a hug and told her she was important to him as a person. The AOT universe would have been wildly different.
@@Varussss Exactly
But she was a kid and was a slave of him for probably all her life
I've only watched the show so idk if any more information is revealed in the manga, but it strikes me as bizarre to say Ymir loved Fritz. I believe the reason she did the things she did, like staying under his services after obtaining titan powers, is because much like Eren she had received visions from the future telling her what must be done to achieve what she wants, hence(not to downplay what she went through)her blank expression on her face throughout the flashbacks that is similar to s4 Erens expression. That would explain why she died after taking that spear, as she didn't have anything to live for after setting up the titan lineage, and she moved on to the coordinate to carry it all out. If we are to assume the 9 represent aspects of Ymir, like the cart representing her being a slave, or the warhammer her being a creator and destroyer, then the attack titan could represent her drive for freedom and revenge against not just her oppressors, but also the people who complied and betrayed her. This would explain why she seemed to instantly ditch the orders of a royal once Eren proposed the rumbling to her, as she never really was under the royals control, she was just playing along to the plan that was set in motion all that time ago(or that just was), much like Eren being a slave to himself
FUN FACT:
Concubine means "One who lays beside" because Concu- is the prefix for "Lay beside," much like Incu- means "Lay on" and Succu- means "Lay under."
Attack on titan is such an interesting show. Despite all the messed up things Marley and Eldia did, I can sympathize with both sides. I feel like the show doesn’t really have any bad guys or good guys. Everyone is just doing what they think is right.
Yes because threatening bad ppl like Marley did Can be compare with slavery and genocide of 6 billion over 2000 years
The only good guys are the middle eastern alliance
I think that's the whole point of the show. From a certain perspective, everyone has done some amount of wrong to somebody and the only way it stops is either with mass death, or mass forgiveness and understanding.
Eh idk, call it simple thinking or whatever but Marley had an opportunity for peace. The scouts after learning about why the outside world hated them, why they were attacked, chose to seek peace and change the perspective of Paradis. The world was committed to seeing them dead. I don’t think fear is a justification when it was clear science and military advancements were surpassing Titans.
@@ColeSpeaks103
"Marley had an opportunity for peace"
No, they didn't. Nobody besides the Tybur family even knew there were Paradiseans in the crowd. There is no peace to be made, if nobody knows who you are. This was basically Eren giving the people of Marley a one-sided ultimatum, never telling them about it, and then murdering everyone who had nothing to do with anything.
And before you say "Well, he can't just stop, because nations will retaliate", RETALIATE WITH WHAT??? Every military in the world was destroyed in 30 seconds, and Eren can do it as many times as necessary. This also comes with a fundamental misunderstanding of how nations actually work. Upon seeing the fact that EVERY COMBINED MILITARY IN THE WORLD WAS DESTROYED IN A MATTER OF SECONDS, 90% of nations would surrender. If a nation doesn't, he can crush them, but there's no need to go as far as Eren did.
"Well, everyone knew about Eren's raid on Liberio, so this would get EVERYONE to hate him." That's entirely his own fault. HE ATTACKED LIBERIO. Also, you mean to tell me that every individual in every nation knows about this? There are people TODAY in the age of easily-consumable 24/7 news that still can't keep up, yet alone when you have to get it via newspapers, and most of the news is several days old.
SPOILERS AHEAD, DON'T READ PAST THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE MANGA
"Oh, but Eren only has a limited amount of time left", Eren literally eradicated titans from existence at the end of the series, and you mean to tell me he can't just extend his own life?
"But we see in the final extra chapter that the outside-world is bombing Paradis, so Eren was totally justified", If you actually think about it for more than 5 seconds, that's clearly not what happened. Remember the final chapter shows all of the main-characters(which are mostly Paradiseans) working a peaceful relationship with the outside-world, and they're returning the Paradis for audience with the Queen on a PEACE-MISSION. The remaining survivors of the outside were willing to make peace. However, we know that the island is controlled by xenophobic, genocidal Jaegerists, so either Historia refused to make peace, or the Jaegerists became more blood-thirsty, or someone who took the throne after her tried to kill the outside-world again. In other words, given what we see in the final chapters, this levels the blame of the bombing of Paradis ENTIRELY on the Paradiseans.
The Rumbling is also just a supremely stupid strategy as it's presented. It is quite literally the WORST POSSIBLE MOVE Eren can make for a multitude of reasons:
1)It leave the entire outside-world burned and uninhabitable for the foreseeable future if it's successful, which leaves them exactly where they started: Stuck on an island.
2)If there are any surviving volunteers(which we know there are), and we also know there are plenty of Paradiseans who are mad at Eren for destroying their homes and killing/injuring their families when the Rumbling started, so it makes since for them to join teams and create a rebel-group against the Jaegerists, which would spark a Civil-War(and also put his friends in even more danger than if he just did nothing at all). Depending on the outcome of this Civil-War, either Paradis just becomes the new Eldian Empire, ruling and killing with an iron-fist(not very freedom of them), or the status-quo from the outside-world gets brought to the island, and nothing changes.
There were a billion different solutions that didn't require the complete genocide of either side, but "Boo-hoo, the outside world isn't like what I read in a book. Time to destroy everything" and "muh freederm".
TL;DR: No, the Rumbling not only not justified, it's also a stupid strategy.
I honestly love this show. There is no true villain and no true hero. Everyone is just human and doing what humans do: protect the people they love, look after their own interest, and screwing over their enemies. It's nice to see a show that explores the gray morality of humanity. We're so used to reading material that is one sided, there must always be a good guy/good side and their must always be a bad guy/bad side. But nothing in real life is ever that simple, because humans are not simple, and the concept of good and evil arent that simple either
Out of everyone in the AOT universe, Ymir suffered the most. Only if there were therapists back then, I mean yea it's funny to imagine Ymir sitting in front of a therapist telling them about her feelings and them writing everything on a paper, "So u can become a humongous entity yet u serve a tyrant that enslaved u? Sounds like a trauma bond girl. Know ur worth period!!" And the next thing u know Ymir has recovered from her slave mindset, overthrows Fritz and everyone lives happily ever after. The End.
Except her tongue was cut out.
Ymir is not a victim. To me, someone's psychological state does not justify actions or innactions. Sure she suffered her whole life but does that give her the right to ruin Eren's ?
Another reason maps aren't drawn with the south pole at the top is because compasses were originally designed to point north and it would be unnecessarily confusing. Technically they point both north and south, but the south end is weighted a bit more to keep the needle level. Those used in the southern hemisphere have the north side weighted more.
Posting this before I watch, I think Erin was SUPER consistent with his goals the entire time. Kill them all. The entire world wanted to end his people on the island. At the start it was the titans trying to kill all his people and that’s where he started. As the threat expanded he expanded his targets.
It's not is eren right or wrong it's what choice did he have
It was either the rumbling or him and everyone he knows dies marley backed him into a corner and gave him no way out so he went with the nuclear option
Eren is wrong. Why should the world keep on suffering because of the Eldians? Eldians have already killed 3 times the world's population and here Eren comes along to do it again. Why is that right or even a debate. Why should the world be wiped out for the sake of a few thousand on an Island? It shouldn't. The world should have wiped out the Eldians as soon as they gained their freedom. Eren wasn't backed into a corner. eren and Zeke manipulated them to get the world to attack Paradis. Marley did bad things but compared to Eldian's bloody history, they are angels. That's why the very last pages of AOT Manga were my favs. Good Riddance.
He had a choice. He chose genocide. Marley didn't back him into anything. In fact, he put himself in that position purposefully because he wanted to do the rumbling. He all but admits it to Armin. Genocide is NEVER justifiable.
@@chinyereugwu9431 at this point the world hasn't been suffering because of the eldians atleast not directly marley has been using them as weapons for along time
Most of the eldians are contained on an island not doing anything marley set this whole thing in motion because they wanted the founding titan
What do you think marley was planning to do with it? The war mongers who literally rained titans on their enemies? Nothing good I'm sure
If marley wasn't so obsessed with using titan powers for their own gain they would have just executed all the eldians in their country or just stopped using them as weapons an leave them in the slums and the rest wouldn't have done anything because the reiss family was perfectly content to do nothing
@@chinyereugwu9431what are you talking about guy? Yes the Eldian empire prior to Paradis was terrible but the world didn’t HAVE to suffer again. Eren and the scouts did not make Marley start their attack on Paradis and even after the scouts found out about why they were being attacked they didn’t retaliate. They exhausted every attempt to change the perception of Eldians on Paradis and make peace. The world was committed to seeing them dead. Were they just supposed to lay down and die? Eren didn’t kill a single Marleyan until they declared war on Paradis. He had to push the rumbling as far as he did because their plan of just destroying the army fleets was insufficient. It would only give them 50-100 years and they would have to force Historia and all her descendants to have as many children as possible to keep the threat of the rumbling. He had to force the world to work with Paradis to kill him to end the “cycle of hatred” for good, ensuring at least his friends could experience the true freedom he never got to. Smh
@@chinyereugwu9431change Eldians with any other named group IRL. Do you still hold that position?
Well Explained.....The best explaination yet! Gracias!
you know the erin is would be kind of a hero if he won because there would be no humans to be sad and the titans would lose their porpose of killing all humanity. right?
I think that Eren does not really want to commit genocide but instead wants the world to come together to stop him so maybe they can see that they can work together.
i think in a way that is true, but the way i see it, is that he does not want to commit mass genocide, but it is the only way to get freedom for his friends.
But we see so many inner monologues of him saying that he want to do it. Sure he can lie to others but even in monologues?
Nah man earlier he wanted to cuz all the memories he got from grisha , through it the world he saw was just evil against eldians , he did not see any of the good side so in that pov yeah erena was brain washed by grisha + there was this childlike fantasy of eren that he wanted the world as he dreamed of and saw in armin's + what se saw of ymir's past and , his own past cuz he saw many people have died for him to come up to this point + his own ideology of freedom , and he fully well knew that he wasn't free , so that all bubbling inside him caused the genocide , protecting his island was just an excuse , eren is really overprotective of his friends + the influence of all 3 titans inside him ,he not some psycho who enjoys killing innocent people , but when he started the genocide and saw that his friend are trying to stop him and realized what I am doing cant be right for sure , otherwise they won't come to stop me and after seeing horror of genocide he probably changed his mind in middle of rumbling just my theory
This is incorrect and not what actually happens. He literally kills most of the world with the rumbling which is billions of people. He self-acknowledges there are better ways and that he wants the rumbling because he was disappointed in the world that he learned existed outside the walls was not the same as he had imagined. Eren is not a moral character and is literally not a moral character throughout the entire series.
Actual moral characters are characters like Hange.
This is not watchmen
There is something guys you didn’t pay attention to. Eren at the start of this new episode, when talking to the little kid, he was crying apologizing and blaming himself before anything happens. Before even criticizing eren, think about the idea that there was not an another choice other than the rumbling. He kept the titans powers with his comrades, which means he himself didn’t accept that idea or consider it as an option. He wanted them to stop him at any cost . Eren was just a tool between Ymir’s hands which maybe is controlling him, affecting his thoughts or maybe manipulating him. So depending on his comrades help to stop him was the last card Eren threw before he activates the rumbling, minimizing even a little bit the effects of the rumbling. Eren was always a pawn in this game and the most misunderstood character of all time.
Idk I would interpret it more as Erens ultimate goal is freedom and I guess even ymir since she ends up siding with Eren so it would go against that idea if they took their powers for the sake of keeping control?
I really liked how you broke down the 3 options at the end. For the moment I side with Zeke.
I supported Zeke's plan as well at first. But I remembered that the world was still planning to attack and genocide everyone on Paradis. Even without Eren's stunt, the Island would have eventually been besieged from all sides.
The 3 options at the end assume that committing genocide actually solves the problem, and that there is no other way. So there are actually a lot more than 3 options.
@@wingblade6023 Zekes plan wasn't to stop the fighting, it was to stop future generations from ever having to worry about Titans. He was thinking long term. A real world example of this is Mass Sterilization. Many countries, even USA, would involuntarily inject women of certain groups with a serum to make them infertile, because they believed they could not co-exist with those groups of people. Both USA and Nazis used force sterilization on immigrants, Black and Indigenous people, poor people, Puerto Rican people, poor White people, incarcerated people, and those living with disabilities.
Goes further back than we seen in the anime
*uses anime footage of how far it goes back"
This was REALLY helpful! Thank you!
I'm still rocking with Eren. gotta get it back in blood...
Marley did not know Zeke was of royal blood as far as I know. It was held a secret
Eren was justified in starting the rumbling. Out of all the available options I think he chose the better one. Atleast better than the Euthanisation plan. Hear me out.
1) Lifting the curse of Ymir and the hate and titan cycle: I think this is the most important reason why he is justified. Erin empathised with Ymir and wanted to free her from her slavery and end the curse and rid the world of Titan ability. Because Ymir accepted, the hallucigenia was transferred to Erin along with full powers of the founding titan.
2) Erin didn't take away the Titan power of his friends. If we was a complete maniac then he would have taken away everyone's power so that no one stands in his way. But he allows his friends to keep their powers and in fact invites them to kill him. In a way he became the villain in order for his friends to become the heroes of the world. The remaining world will view the Eldians as their savior and hence after his death, no racism and discrimination. He wanted his friends to stop him and kill the founding Titan and the hallucigenia, which started it all.
Had the world not been as cruel as it is, I think he wouldn't have made the choice. However, because of the racism, discrimination and unforgivingness he had to do it. Will Tybur's declaration of war was the last straw. If Willy had tried negotiating peace then things wouldn't have gone this far. The culture, people, circumstances all contributed to Erin being pushed to the corner. Finally, he will be able to achieve his dream of eradicating the titans, unfortunately his dream will be achieved with his end.
Attack of Titan reminds me of Spiderman's most famous quote - With great power comes great responsibility. Had power been used responsibly without abusing it, things wouldn't have gone far. Human greed got in the way and destroyed it all. King Fritz was where everything started to go wrong. And it needed something radical to reset things. That was brought about by the rumbling.
Weird how Eren started off hating the titans by wanting to Kill them all only to unleash the main titan attack
weird that both Paradis and Marley are ruled by a Subject of Ymir.
I think that hallucinoginia was considered one of the earliest forms of life irl and the one in AoT is the "source of all living matter" or something
tysm for this video bc at some point i just couldnt understand whats going on in attack on titan and now i finally understand
We got to get this guy to do an episode where he has to start at the end of the story!
Thank you for your service, your memory sacrifice will not go in vein
I love your COMPLETE breakdown of the material. I dont know if you dabble in 40K but if you do. OMG......
The real reason why eren wants rumbling is so that he can let his bestest friend armin in the world to rumbling with armin, now that's what you call a strong friendship
Yknow when you take a step back and look at the overall story the creator of this great series as more then likely studied history of humanity. Cause I can see parallels to historical real life events during times of war, oppression, and brainwashing. Sadly a lot of this stuff still happens today minus giants eating people.
Most thought provoking anime attempts to reflect society/ reality and put in real life lessons. HxH, Code Geass, FMAB, etc. AOT did it really good but it’s but it’s not unique
Isayama is a genius
I always wondered how Marley got their hands on so many of the titan shifters in the first place, now it makes sense.
Since stand your ground is something I am not willing to compromise on there is really only one option for Eren in my opinion.
And from the outside:
Well, when both of the options presented are genocide I just leave the room.
Lmao same. Imagine if your attacked by 10 people and your only allowed to kill 2 of them to defend yourself because one person is less than 10. Democracy!
This video is more of a history of Eldia and Marley
Awesome video man . Helps things come together
Do more Attack on Titan Videos. I’m almost caught up with the anime, however Monthly for episodes that’s crazy 🤣🤣🤣
youve quickly become my fav tuber ty for your high quality and entertaining vids from both this and your main youtube
loved your video man!
only thing im pretty sure that Ymir died cuz the 13 years of life span of a titan expired thats why she died + wound ( i dont think they they can chose to heal or not)
TBH, I honestly HATED the marlians and Gabi but know you have OFFERED ME MORE INSIGHT upon this issue . the marlians had every right to do what they did after over 6 billion people were killed in the past and were oppressed by the eldians. WOW! i never thought i would say that.
BTW, I will forever hate Gabi, despite watching this video and YOU SHOULD TOO
No, Ok lets pose a situation. 2,000 years ago a guy name Bob killed a guy named Joe. You positing that in 2,000 Bob's great x100 grandson deserves to die for that crime. But of course Joe was the great great grand son of Billy who killed Allen and so Joe deserves to die too. Eventually you start realizing that either everyone deserves to die because of some ancient ancestor doing bad things or that none of them deserve to die for shit that happened in the past by people that are not them.
@@TheLastSane1 WOAHHHH! that's an interesting twist.
But also, put it like this, a group have been oppressed for hundreds of years, dehumanised and having all their rights taken off them with no possible way to oppose said dictators. the dictators go to a remote place and leave everyone alone for a while. the group (as a whole) that were discriminated against would probably fight against the oppressors at any possible chance they could, in fear that they could be picked on again.
You're right in the fact that the current generation of eldians do not deserve any punishment inflicted on them due to their previous generations, but I get why they would do it. I think i worded it really bad originally so THANK YOUU!!
Also, this is SUPER INTERESTING!🙃
Gabi sucks , she didn't deserve the happy ending. Sasha deserved a happy ending.
Question, what makes you think "Ymir had grown to love Fritz"?? I feel like Ymir never felt love, not even with her children, as is portrayed by her constant gloomy appearance and emotionless expression. Plus, Fritz always referred to her as "my slave".
Stockholm syndrome maybe idk, after Eren dies and it shows what ymir could've had she seems pretty happy
16:20 This is an very good video....Makes me nostalgic....I remember when there only existed Season 1 and everything was a bit more simple 😂👌 But the "truth" behind attack on Titan we know now is pretty damn good and makes sense.
My only correction is that Marley sent the Warriors to Paradis for the resources that were on the island, and only needed the founder because they were worried the rumbling would start. They didn’t know Zeke had royal blood, and were not aware of his euthanization plan. Great video!
Lets be honest it makes no sense at all how after 1000 years he’s 154th king😭 like be real now after 5 generations of living to the bare minimum of 30 years 150 years… that stacks up quickly
I don't know why, but I see a scary parallel between the history of Attack on Titan and Taiwan
I believe the overall theme of the story is the power of the titans, which could be equated to nukes. Which is why the end credits scene is so impactful, we see that as time progresses, the world eventually nukes itself in the end, and a cliffhanger to a potential restart of the Titan/Nuke cycle. Eren had no control whatsoever which is why he apologized to the boy in Marley, he is so out of control, he has to cope with the rumbling by imagining himself as a child flying above the clouds, clouds made of colossal Titan steam. Eren was a chess piece used by Ymir to take away the power of the titans, thus bringing in the age of nuclear weapons and the cycle repeats.
It’s not a story about a Titan/nuke cycle, rather a human conflict cycle with the addition of weapons of mass destruction.
This is why we will never be free from the threat of nuclear war.
I feel it’s important to know that Ymir was a marleyan.
Marley fucked around and they found out. If they left the island alone, none of that would've happened
The concept of time in AoT is just the concept of time itself. If you understand how Eren's character works then you understand how time actually flows according to physics. Just thought it was funny you differentiate the 2 but really the author understands time well enough to explain it through their stories
Thanks for the ZIMBABAWE 🇿🇼 shoutout😂😂
imagine in the basement there wasnt anything important just smt like food
Even though eren is a bad guy I still dont wnt him to die 😭😭
13:57 if paradis had the attack titan, how did it end up in marley where grisha ate eren kruger to gain the attack titan?
The Attack Titan was in Marley, but the Marleyan government never had control over it.
@@Adsper2000 i know that i saw the episode, just wondering if as the video says, the attack titan stayed at the island. How did it end up on marley? Did you try to say it never was on paradis?
@@ItsTraaX Yeah I don’t know why the creator said that, that isn’t true at all. The AT never visited Paradis (that we know of) until Kruger.
I think you might of missed it but no one knew zeak was of Royal titan blood tell gabbie says so
Just gotta say.. a massive and crucial part of history is not written by victors, but by those who were dominated. Alot of our most potent and important history lies in firsthand accounts of victims. This is a big part of eldian/marlian history too
Can you give some relevant examples to your point?
That's the complete opposite of what Winston Churchill said "history is written by the victors," but according to actual historians, "history is written by those who actually took the time to write things down and leave evidence behind, and history can be revised and challenged by different perspectives and sources over time." I'm going to side the historians.
Even in Attack on Titan, the history of Eldians was told completely different by Marley, by the Eldians in Marley, by the Eldians in Paradis, and then retold by Will Tybur.
This was a great video especially for the "Eren was right" thought process. "Right" is beyond a gray area in things like this and sometimes there isn't a right. Sometimes it's just that we are all wrong.
Hizuru is southeast Asia and Australia
Won't the large titans eventually evaporate away like bertold did if he stayed in his titan form for too long?
Caught my attention mentioning my country Mozambique. Great content
Bro has so much anime knowledge that he forgot how to pronounce Paradis.
I still have so many questions. What is the spine-like creature? Why does it make titans? Why are the coordenates a thing? Why was Ymir tasked with building the titans? Why is she forced to follow the Fritz family?
It’s my understanding that it’s supposed to be the source of all life on earth. They never dove into why it transformed ymir into a titan though. But i’m assuming she was tasked with building the titans because she was the first one maybe?
That is like asking why were we created as humans
It simply is
In the ancient wars did Pure titans have their minds? It looked like there was a viking titan lol
Thanks for the break down!
The AOT map isn't just an upside down version of our globe though. It's also mirrored. That's why North and South America are still oriented on the left side. The planet still seems to have the same orientation in relation to its orbit of the sun also. That's why the Island of Paradis has more cultural and climate similarities to areas near real world Germany than real world Madagascar. Paradis would share the same relative latitude and longitude of that area of real world Europe if the planet's orientation were still the same as ours, so their north is also our north. That's what everything seems to point to in my mind anyway...
The AoT world doesn't simply put the South at the top, it's mirrored. If you rotated it so that what we see as North was at the top, it would seem back-to-front (with the Americas in the East and Asia in the West)
Love the video and keep up the great work nick
Great Review! I don't know if Ymir loved Fritz, I thought she jumped in front of the spear, not to save him, but herself from slavery through death
0:10 bro I KNOW ALL OF IT'S HISTORY WITHOUT SEEING THE ANIME FOR 'lore'
Wall titans isn't actualy a colossal titan, but people just mistaken them as colossal titan because if their colossal like apearance. But in some cases, their different titans
A counter-point on the 2:25 mark
AOT's world map still tracks on how the orientation works. Marley encompasses all of "Africa" in this universe. And it's a map likely drawn by them. And you know how.... *nationally militant* Marley is so it fits with the idea that Marley is on top and center of the world. Which would be upside-dpwn Africa.
okay i know at 14:03 he said that the founding and attack titan both retreated to paradis island, but wasn’t eren kruger (the attack titan before grisha) an eldian from marley?
Anyone else see the parallels of paradis being Japan and Marley being the US. Nukes being Titans, the church of the wall being proponents of demilitarization. The devastation of Logos and the grape of Nanking?
Its not perfect as all metaphors shouldnt be and its even smart to make it less complex by having Marley stand in for the US and China in different examples so its easier for readers to follow.
You should do “what if”s on this channel fr
Imagine if they killed all eldians then the wall starts to break down lol foooooooked
Isn't it outstanding that the titans have the appearance of monsters yet the humans on every sight of this story are the ones committing the monstrosities?
Eren failed at being a decent person like everyone before him because he's human and his very humane feelings turned him into a monster. The dicotomy of mankind: be the victim or the perpetrator.
Its always fun seeing people try to say that paradis should jave just laid down and died so the majority could live.
« Both sides refusing to forgive the other for sins neither of them saw » hmmmm
In regards to 2:35: Orientation is important; in Eldea, does the sun rise in the East or West?
"Genocide cannot be justified but heres why I justify genocide and why Eren did nothing wrong..." - Everyone who thinks Eren was right. Wtf.
Marley picked right where Fritz's legacy left off, only when the whole world knows the truth and the pain with it, should the rumbling stop but IRL we little people will never affect the agendas being played out...
Imagine being an ancient marley soldier and having to fight the warhammer titan with swords, bows and arrows.
Also why didn't marley give zeke both the warhammer and beast so he could generate things to throw?
So, basically, the reason for the Rumbling? "I hate myself, but I am a jerk, so screw everyone for the mistakes I've made, or cared to make." Got it.
I just saw this channel today and thought you looked alot like Ali-A
At first I was really confused about the Ending, often did I think that Eldia had gained freedom after Eren's sacrifice. But after careful consideration, Eldia had not gained freedom after all. There still lie some form of conflicts between Eldia and the remaining 20 percent of the population. Through which Eldia have to sought to military power. That eventually means that Erens plan was a failure, or possibly Isayama hadn't presented it to us that well. But in either cases, it is definitely evident that Eren as well wasn't free and had been under the influence of the curse of Ymir ever since he touched Historia's hand. There was a reason why the Attack Titan's secret ability was kept a secret from the Royal Family. Ymir had used Eren as a pawn to manipulate event's in order to free herself, which is once again pretty baseless since Eren's sole 20 seconds of talk was able to free Ymir to what she couldn't do for 2000 years. It was also evident when Eren says that she waited 2000 years for someone. This baseless ending has also ruined the characters of Mikasa who was revealed to be a psychopathic lover towards Eren and was often situated as a scenario of love through which it was seen as similar to Ymir as she was in love with King Fritz, yes a 17 year old girl in love with a king that possibly killed her family, used her as a pawn for military power, cut of her tongue and sexual assaulted her. Mikasas entire character was enhanced to be nothing but a pawn, that was chosen by Ymir. It just pains me to see how 80 percent of the populations memory, past, history and dreams was sacrificed due to Eren's manipulated dream, this man killed 80 percent of human population cause he felt like it. I might as well prefer Eren destroying all of human society and having manipulated the alliances minds to retreat in order for Eldia to finally live in a society without war and conflict. And Eren and Armin having a conversation about Mikasa as the series conclusion really made me pissed. I'm literally just hoping for the AOE Theory to be true. I can't bear to see these fan's defending this ending because it was realistic and that there was no other choice.
Erens plan wasn't a failure.
He didn't complete his plan lmao, HAD he, It'd have been a success lmao.
But since his plan was stopped, the plan itself didn't fail or succeed, it was only partially inacted, his plan was to wipe out everyone, not.
And "just cause he wanted" no.
He didn't just want to destroy the world lmao.
He was literally saving his people, it's QUITE evident he DIDNT want to do that.
There was literally no other choice BUT to do it, without fucking himself or his people over.
That's erens whole thing and always has been, he'll fight/kill the enemies presented to him, and he'll protect the ones he love (think of when he stabbed this guys who were hunting Asians((Mikasa))
Had he not did the rumbling, the rest of the world would have fucked them over.
If not because of hate, THEn for the rare materials found ONLY in the island which they use to create the ODM gear (ice burst stone) they tried talking it out , they tried for peace , hell even 100% minding their business on the island literally as innocent as can be , Marley STILL came to fuck with them.
No matter WHAT, the island was going to be attacked, and NOT doing the rumbling, meant being sitting ducks for Marley, or the rest of the world.
Erens plan didn't fail, again, it wasn't fully inacted TO fail.
And even tho he couldn't fully complete the plan, it was still a success on a SMALL scale, as he gave his friends safety.
But the rumbling was the only way to save his people, the only way to end that cycle.
Mikasa love for Eren was good hearted it's just that then dynamic between her and Eren was toxic because of the world they lived in constant taking Eren away from her and making Eren run away and ymir sawthat , finally Mikasa overcame that which freed ymir from the curse of the hallucigenia
Even is just getting his kdr up
Yeah, the series makes it pretty clear that despite all each side has done, that's merely an excuse as the act of punishing someone for the actions of someone else is always wrong. As Sasha's adopted younger sister asked Gabi, what did she do to deserve this, what did Sasha do, what did their parents do?
Why is Gothamchess talking about AoT