I have never met a pre-mil believer who believes what was stated, that we just have a “ticket to hevean”. Pre-mils have a very high view of the physical world believing that Jesus will come and restore this world when he returns as King. Our hope is not in this age, but in the age to come. Even the beatitudes mentioned are best understood as primarily blessings for the age to come. Building our treasures in the kingdom of God, not living for this life but for the promise of resurrection.
Helpful Darren! I appreciate the perspective. I think the commonality is the idea that "Jesus Kingdom is not here now" and that "the Kingdom only comes in the future". Would you agree? If so, then my pushback would be that I think the New Testament is clear that the Kingdom is here and that you and I are part of it. Colossians 1:13-14 says "For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." That is a currently reality- you are in the Kingdom now. Would you agree? Also- lets do this over coffee! haha.
@ Thanks Matt. I do believe that we have a common ground at least in the “not yet” part of the equation you have spelled out previously (“here, but not yet” paradigm). I think the greatest hope is in the future reality of the kingdom. Many pre-mils do hold to that paradigm to some degree, but the focus is always on the future reality of the kingdom restored on earth, not just a spiritual reality but a physical reality. This means that Colossians gives us hope for our future restoration in that we have already been made citizens of this kingdom that is yet coming. This is seen earlier in verse 5 where our hope is laid up in heaven (cross reference 1pet 1:4) or even more directly right in verse 10-12 Paul calls for “patience and endurance” right now so that we may yet share in the “inheritance” (ie future) of Jesus. This is the promise of the kingdom, a hope of resurrection into the glory of God. A physical resurrection, sealed in the promise of Jesus’ own resurrection, not a symbolic spiritual one into a spiritual reality. My intention is not to cause division over this. Peace.
Love this! Thank you and looking forward to the next episode of 'Battle of the Starbucks cups'. Grace and Truth is just so... 'radical'!
This is amazing guys! No need to be nervous. You both did great! Thank you for the wonderful podcast 😊
On camera? Unreal.
I have never met a pre-mil believer who believes what was stated, that we just have a “ticket to hevean”. Pre-mils have a very high view of the physical world believing that Jesus will come and restore this world when he returns as King. Our hope is not in this age, but in the age to come. Even the beatitudes mentioned are best understood as primarily blessings for the age to come. Building our treasures in the kingdom of God, not living for this life but for the promise of resurrection.
Helpful Darren! I appreciate the perspective. I think the commonality is the idea that "Jesus Kingdom is not here now" and that "the Kingdom only comes in the future". Would you agree? If so, then my pushback would be that I think the New Testament is clear that the Kingdom is here and that you and I are part of it. Colossians 1:13-14 says "For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." That is a currently reality- you are in the Kingdom now. Would you agree? Also- lets do this over coffee! haha.
@ Thanks Matt. I do believe that we have a common ground at least in the “not yet” part of the equation you have spelled out previously (“here, but not yet” paradigm). I think the greatest hope is in the future reality of the kingdom. Many pre-mils do hold to that paradigm to some degree, but the focus is always on the future reality of the kingdom restored on earth, not just a spiritual reality but a physical reality. This means that Colossians gives us hope for our future restoration in that we have already been made citizens of this kingdom that is yet coming. This is seen earlier in verse 5 where our hope is laid up in heaven (cross reference 1pet 1:4) or even more directly right in verse 10-12 Paul calls for “patience and endurance” right now so that we may yet share in the “inheritance” (ie future) of Jesus. This is the promise of the kingdom, a hope of resurrection into the glory of God. A physical resurrection, sealed in the promise of Jesus’ own resurrection, not a symbolic spiritual one into a spiritual reality.
My intention is not to cause division over this. Peace.
This wasn't on my 2025 Bingo card!
Black on black. Floating heads haha!