The kettle is now white, guess Morgan had to clean it so hard to get the coffee out that she scrubbed the black coating off it... and the base for some reason.
I use my PureOver every weekday (coffee just for myself), and a Chemex on the weekend (for me and my wife). Here's what I've discovered over the last 8 months of ownership: 1) Grind larger than you may think. For example, on my Baratza Encore, I grind for Chemex at setting 21 and for PureOver at 24. This leaves just a tiny layer of fines in my PureOver brew. 2) Boiling water. The larger grind + boiling water makes a very pleasant cup. Not as sweet and clean as the Chemex at say... 98-99C with finer grind, but still very tasty. 3) I still use a 1L to 60g ratio, so I'm putting about 330mL of water including the bloom. I don't use the handle as the measuring spot. With that process and a nice light or medium roast coffee, I'm enjoying delicious brews 5 days a week without generating waste. You're absolutely correct that it has the mouthfeel of a French press, but I think it has the flavor of a pour-over since it's percolating instead of immersing. Just last weekend, wife and I did a side by side tasting of the same beans through PureOver and Chemex. The Chemex was more clean and sweet while the PureOver was deeper and chewier. Some people might prefer one over the other, but both cups were delicious. Basically, I find it to be a fun way to enjoy coffee without making extra waste. It's a beautiful design-y object, to boot. I love my PureOver... especially being able to throw it in the dishwasher every night. =)
@@morgandrinkscoffee Any time, I love your videos! =) I think maybe your brewer has larger holes than mine - I don't know... I've never seen sludge like you're getting even with my very first brew attempt on Christmas morning last year. A manufacturing inconsistency would be a huge bummer.
I recently got and fell in love with a vietnamese phin brewer. Super simple, super cheap, no disposable parts, bloom, pour, and forget, yet somehow you don't get fines or dregs that go through even if it's just small holes in a metal cup with the same grind I use for aeropress. You should check it out if you can get your hands on one
So many of these "filterless" brewers are trying to be environmentally friendly yet cause so much water waste while trying to clean them and still produce bad cups. An aeropress is all plastic but I've had mine the better part of a decade, and the filters are cheap and tiny and biodegradable. The V60 papers are thin, too, but I finally broke my glass V60 carafe.
Plastic isn't inherently awful. Like with the aeropress, it's *super* sturdy and likely to last you a long long time. The problem with plastic is with "disposable" plastic.
That's something I was going to ask... I get trying to be as ecofriendly as possible, but are paper filters that harmful to the environment that we should go out of our way to avoid using them?
@@leonardorechsteiner5429 paper filters aren’t a problem at all, if you buy ones that are as close to you as possible to reduce co2 produced via shipping then you’re fine. Especially aeropress filters which are tiny are way better for the environment than a glass coffee brewer that takes a lot to clean and that doesn’t work so you need to replace it anyway
@@JadeNeoma a lot less water goes into washing glass than growing trees, even to make a small amount of paper. All a relatively small drop in the bucket compared to getting the actual coffee moved around the planet. Of course, there are reusable fabric filters but they need rinsed but James did the math on it and proved a fabric filter beats out paper but not by much
around 6:30 ish You mention having to rush your conical brewers to the sink when finished; what I do with my Hario, is to have a ramakin ready (such as the ones GU desserts come in) which i can set the brewer on so it doesn't drip all over the counter or floor on the way to the sink.
I use one of those glasses that Nutella comes in if you get the small one. It's also what I pour my pre-wet water into, and keep my stir spoon in until I need it.
I really like non paper filtered coffee, but a clever dripper with a metal cone filter makes it so much easier than a lot of these weird coffee brewers. But its so much fun to see the insanity.
@@floydald You can also google exactly what you you just said: metal cone filter. Tons of results 👍I'm still partial to unbleached paper filters, to be honest. Easiest clean-up, biodegradable, great results. So I don't have a specific metal filter to suggest.
I got one of these during their Kickstarter campaign. I have rarely gotten a brew that didn't stall. It is now sitting in the back of the cabinet. BTW during the campaign they claimed it would be a clean cup. So very unhappy with it. Oh, and a toothpick works best to remove the grains stuck in the holes.
I kickstarted it too and I find it also sits on the shelf. The holes are just to large to be effective as a filter. I’ve even cut little paper filter discs to drop in atop the filter area, and it helps a bit. But it’s not worth the hassle.
I like French Press coffee. Any grounds that turn up are really fine and usually sink to the bottom. I like Middle Eastern style as well where you literally drink some of the grounds with the coffee (thus the coffee has to be ground to almost flour fineness). For what this thing costs, I could buy a French Press, an AeroPress, and an Ibrik and hand grinder for the mentioned middle eastern coffee. The faults with this should have been caught in the design phase. I bet simply tucking an Aeropress filter into the lower filtering part would deal with things nicely, but then you could just use an Aeropress for a much faster and probably better cup of coffee.
A lot of people like French presses because of the lack of paper filtration. This seems worth a try for those people. I know I'd buy one if it were made of lexan instead of glass
@@veganpotterthevegan You seem to be under the impression that a French Press or even an AeroPress would be worse than this at making coffee. The reverse is pretty obviously true. If you have one and enjoy it, then have at. I don't have time to fiddle with something that makes mediocre coffee.
@@veganpotterthevegan I have a double-walled stainless steel French press that has served me well. The dents in the outer wall demonstrate why I can't use glass--small children, large dogs, and cats are NOT kind to glassware! The thing's built like a thermos, with a vacuum between the walls to act as insulation. These can be a bit harder to find--I've never seen one in a store, for example--but since they're more or less a one-and-done investment the amount of time invested in finding one, plus the extra cost (they're more expensive than a typical French press, less than a lot of the fancy brewers out there), are well worth it. I used to use it daily, before I started playing around with my Mocha pot.
Well, I don't have one of these, but, I'd suggest doing what I do for my French Press and percolator. Get a tea strainer and transfer from the brew cup to another cup. That should prevent any grounds from getting into your cup, and give you a cleaner cup. As an earlier poster said (and as you suspect), it seems no two Pure Overs are the same. Not sure how these are manufactured, but if anywhere near by hand, you're going to have different drain hole sizes. Maybe the manufacturer can produce a mold with a much finer set of holes, and use a somewhat thicker pour of molten glass. Though, I suspect the hole sizes are affected more by the cooling stage than anything else.
I've gotten pretty nerdy over the years but I still adore a good french press. Never felt the need to filter it out. The holes in this thing though look like they are a prime candidate for approaching with some higher technology than a drill.
@@DonP_is_lostagain No. Percolators are not skill-based. The brew water rises up the perc tube, percolates through the coffee bed, and right back into the heating chamber. You heat that brewed coffee over and over. It is the death of coffee via an outdated design flaw.
@@error.418 Thanks Captain Obvious. I know how a percolator works. Been using one since 1970. And if you watch the brew properly, you stop it before it "reboils" the coffee by turning down the heat. So, you make coffee your way, and I'll make mine my way.
This reminds me of the Karlsbader Kanne, an older German ceramic coffee brewer. It's essentially the same, but with two layers of porcelain filter. Maybe I've missed it, but I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone make the comparison. It seems like someone got this design right 200 years ago.
I had exactly the same thought, it seems to be a _Karlsbader Kanne_ made of glass! With the difference that for the Pure Over, they recommend medium-coarsely ground coffee, whereas for a Karlsbader Kanne, very coarsely ground coffee is recommended ("grießfein" in German). And there is no spoon included in the Karlsbader Kanne, nor is stirring part of making coffee with it. I played around with a Karlsbader Kanne a bit recently and ran into similar problems (=a stalled brew where I needed to stir to finish the drawdown). In my case, it helped to use a grinder that doesn't produce a ton of fines when grinding coarsely (particularly a C40 set to 35 clicks).
I was about to make that comparison as well. I wasn't able to find an english name for the Karlsbader Kanne, so maybe it just isn't widely known in the non germanic parts of the world?
@@hendrikm9569 Looks as if you are right and the Karlsbader Kanne is mostly known in German-speaking parts of the world. Probably, the same principle of drip coffee brewing was implemented with different devices in different regions of the world. To get an idea of how widely known any of these devices still is, I compared the _total number of results_ returned by Google for the following search phrases: "drip coffee pot" 602000 results "cafe phin" 249000 dripolator 76300 "caffettiera napoletana" 42300 "indian coffee filter" 21400 "karlsbader kanne" 14600 "karlsbad coffee maker" 3570 For comparison: v60 coffee 5780000 chemex 7460000 This would explain why only few people come to the same conclusion as we. 🤔
I love your content and I fully support you getting sponsorships to help this channel. Please look more into pela as a company and specifically lomi as a product. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your business, I just believe you might not have a complete picture here. If you ask me that lomi thing is incredibly wasteful, overpriced, a borderline scam and honestly more marketing exercise than product. Thank you for your videos!
Do you have some pointers as to where I can find more info? I love the idea of a lomi for people who have no other means of composting like me (my city doesnt offer it and I have no garden). Id use the compost for my little balcony where I grow veggies and herbs from it. It would save a lot of waste from going to landfill where it would just rot and release tons of methane. And I wouldn't need to buy fertilizer and bags of soil anymore for my plants. But I'd like to know the cons as well. Like, how many years would I need to use it before it actually saved more waste/resources than it cost to make the Lomi.
I bought just the pour over and not the cup. If you use a Hario Decanter with the ribbed glass (or knockoff) it easily catches the fines that made it through while pouring. Also if you watch their videos the timer on the scale is at 7 minutes. So I adjust grind for a 7 minute draw down. Similar to a nice French press time. I've gotten some good clean cups this way.
RE: running your pour over to the sink, I have a little tiny plate that I keep on my coffee nook & place my V60 on it when I'm done brewing. It came from an espresso cup set I got at a conference. Would recommend!
I think the new mousetraps work better than the old style. Had a mouse issue at work all of a sudden and had to buy a bunch of them. They were easier to set and didn’t need bait. Just saying. People used to think percolators were the bomb until someone came up with a better design. Things can always be improved even slightly. That being said this thing is terrible. Pretty but terrible.
Hi Morgan, I use the local Indian filter coffee maker made of steel, super basic, but it could be an interesting one for you to review, if you can find it in US. Much love ❤
@@irfanadamm5819 There really isn't. There's a place near me that does exclusively siphon coffee, and they have a big poster with patent drawings for what must be at least two, if not three dozen siphon coffee brewers. And siphon brewing is probably the least popular niche.
@MorganDrinksCoffee , I won't say Lomi is a scam. However, they sue people who speak bad of them, reviews show the product has a nasty habit of only lasting 2 to 3 months, and they like to sign people up for expensive subscriptions without their permission while also making it near impossible to unsubscribe. Oh, and the machine is just a slightly modified bread machine. There isn't anything fancy or special about it and yet it still breaks down at the drop of a hat.
You could in theory recirculate the coffee through the bed a few times and it would eventually filter itself. This is what is typically done in beer brewing when separating the grain from the wort
i think the grounds are inevitable, i think if you really hate the grounds, paper filter are the best option, but one pourover i really recommended are vietnam phin! i use it quite often because even some ground still coming out, its very minimum amount! brew time are pretty long like 10 minutes but its worth to wait imo
My French press broke this week and without any other options I started brewing my coffee in a plain glass measuring pitcher, and then pouring carefully into my mug through a metal mesh kitchen strainer. The result of that method seems to be better than what this brewer is achieving, and my setup costs maybe $10 total.
Despite the 'advantage' of no filter, I wonder how it would do with the addition of something like an aeropress paper filter disk added to the bottom... 🤔
Not a bad idea, but the issue is that the 'filter' area on the pureover is smaller in diameter than the aeropress so it would require some cutting to get it to fit nicely. Then once done and then would be a pain to get back off as it's more likely to 'stick' than the grounds. That said it would help with the grit while still being handy to use
I usually am able to clean most of the grounds out of the filter holes by spraying water through the bottom, and pushing them back out, rather than running water through and trying to rinse them out that way. If all else fails, pressing a toothbrush or cleaning brush against the bottom so the bristles poke up through the holes usually pushes them back through really quickly. I wonder if a coffee sieve or something like the Shimmy coffee sleeve might help reduce the amount of fines that make their way into the cup? What I've sort of done is brew into a carafe rather than directly into a mug, and then pouring the coffee into the mug and avoiding the very end of the carafe where things have settled to the bottom.
PureOver owner here. I also ran into most of the issues that Morgan lists here. I ultimately ended up using paper AeroPress filters in the bottom (you have to trim them to fit). Its a lovely idea, but really it just doesn't work for anyone that doesn't like grounds in their coffee.
I think James Hoffmann reviewed some products that could actually achieve what this was trying to by using cones of porous ceramic where the pores are much smaller than any coffee grounds could get through. The problem with those products is that they're _really_ hard to clean by nature of being, you know, a porous ceramic coated with fine powder.
Just seems like they couldn't make the holes in the bottom small enough because it's made of glass. The idea of all-glass construction is nice, but not if it doesn't brew properly
Yes, this. Also those oversize holes are little tunnels. Metal filters can be very thin and still hold up just fine when perforated, and if that's not enough for you then you can make a wire mesh for even tinier holes. There *is* amazing high-tech glass that could be made to work, for a price, but I suspect that would result in a product that was too expensive and nobody would buy it.
I actually feel they could’ve made it finer. It doesn’t need to be laboratory grade filtration; but it’s definitely possible to make a glass filter that won’t allow any particles of solid through.
Okay so for some reason I was never know of this channels existence. As a coffee lover myself it such an awesome sight to see someone be so immersed in the history of coffee brewing. I’ve definitely subscribed & notification on can’t wait to see more content. Thank you RUclips for recommending me someone so obsessed with coffee as I am.
I have a pure over, and I find it makes a cup that is comparable to a French press with a slightly brighter finish. I enjoy using it, but I do get issues with it stalling - easily resolved with some agitation. With a coarseish grind I don't have issues with large pieces in the mug. It's a fun brewer, but not one I use every day.
What kind of coffee do you like? I'm definitely getting the impression that it's capable of being perfect with certain things but just doesn't have the flexibility to accommodate a wide range of coffees at various roast points since each will have a relatively particular peak for grind size for pour over.
@@weatheranddarkness I tend to favour medium roast single origins, currently loving an Ethiopian one. I have similar results with other origins using the pure over. I suspect part of the problems Morgan had was with the stirring. I don't stir mine, I gently push it with the stick to loosen it and that's it. No stirring, no major agitation of the coffee, just a little push to get things moving again.
It really seems like a plausible idea that was executed in a half-baked way. In theory, the best way I can see this brewer working is if someone can figure out how to get water onto the grounds with no turbulence or agitation whatsoever. Using the diffuser lid may help reduce that, but the water is still basically going to initially hit the grounds hard. Off the top of my head, the only way I can think of to do so without any added equipment is if you use the gooseneck spout to pour against the inner wall of the brewer, so that the water flows down the side. Sort of like how you'd try to pour a beer on a tilted glass to avoid too much foaming. You can also try rotating the brewer as you pour against the inner wall to get an even enough saturation. Even then, seems like a lot of hassle just to avoid needing a paper or metal filter.
👍👍I don't know how useful my tip would be across different brewing equipment but I use an all silicone basting brush to dust dried grounds from the metal filter and threads of my moka pot
No, no, no guys. You got it all wrong. No wonder you are not enjoying it. This is like a Harley motorcycle, it’s for you to customize it. I asked my wife to create me a little cloth circle to use as a filter. She stacked some cheesecloth layers and made me a filter. It looks like a little Oreo cookie. In the very center I push a cloth pin through a hole in the glass. I smile every day with my “Harley” Coffee Brewer and zero grinds. This glass is worth it and something I don’t see mention here, this glass sings to you as you clean it ! love
I don't have this brewer. But I have a thought as someone who likes beer. With beer you drink from a tulip glass when your beer has in bottle sentiment. As the shape of the mug helps catch the sunken bits before they reach your mouth. I have one mug in a similar shape, and it's my go to when using my french press. I think addressing mug shape as a variable may help.
When I make a French Press these days I tend to decant at about four mins and then let the decanted coffee sit for another 4-5 mins before pouring to let the fines settle (a ridged jug lik a Hario one helps here). It takes time but you get a much cleaner cup. I'd be interested in whether that approach works here.
@@WateverWatever04 I thought I was pretty much the only tea drinker here, I love Morgan and this channel, but unfortunately coffee just doesn't agree with me
Glass frits can only be effectively cleaned with strong acid (conc. Sulphuric or better yet piranha solution) and are prone to clogging. Honestly even in the lab I use filter papers and gravity wherever possible - less of a hassle to clean and less risk of contaminants hiding somewhere in there to cause you grief.
The only non-standard filter I’ve ever liked is using a Cory rod in a siphon pot. Cleaner than I can get with a French press and super easy for clean up.
Honestly I feel that a piece of round-cut V60 filter paper in the bottom there would solve the issues, both with clogging, cleaning, and grounds in the cup. Of course this turns it into a strangely shaped V60 brewer. Also as an observation, every disadvantage you mentioned to using the gooseneck straight into the brewer, also applies to the diffusion lid, it does not reach into the sides of the cone either. The shape itself is the problem there, not the kettle vs the lid. Other than that it is an esthetically pleasing brewer, but it seems to be more fashion over function.
I tend to keep a spare matcha bowl/measuring bowl with me just to place my top cone/filter papers into instead of frantically running to the sink/trash can. But I completely understand where you are coming from
Perhaps try pre-wetting while in the stand. Fill the stand with water, add the coffee to the brewer while in the stand filled with water, this will clump the coffee and then place the brewer on to the cup an pour.
Hi there, I do have a Pure Over, and don’t have the problems you have. I agree that the taste is akin to a French press, but I usually prefer the Pure Over because it provides a cleaner cup. My guess is that you grind way too fine. I usually grind the same as for a French press, or very slightly finer. There’s never more than a dozen little coffee bits falling through, and that’s also as much as one would find later in the cup. I even put the grinds that fall through back into the brewer, I’m actually a bit at a loss as to how you get all that coffee sludge in your cup. Clean up is not the quickest, I just spoon most of the grounds from the brewer into the compost, then flush it out. If a few bits get stuck I use a tooth pick. Still faster than cleaning a French press. Draw down time is about three minutes. It never stalls. No pre-infusion, or wetting the brewer, necessary. I do like a French press, but the Pure Over makes a cleaner cup. Just my experience.
Thanks for sharing! I’m also at a bit of a loss. Even prior to this video I experimented with a wide variety of grind sizes, especially coarseness comparable to a French press or even cold brew. They all yielded quite a bit of sludge. My only thought is that there could be variation in the “hole” sizes from brewer to brewer? Again, curious.
@@morgandrinkscoffee I’ve also read other reviews describing similar problems to yours. And I also have my suspicions that not all Pure Overs are created equal. A variation in hole size from brewer to brewer would explain a lot. Only the maker could really answer to that. I also have a very good grinder with very few fines and a narrow grind size distribution, guess that helps too. Then again, I’ve had my Pure Over for longer than that grinder and never had any real problems… a weird one it is.
I haven't seen you try the Gabi master A. It's been my favorite every since I got it (shelving the Aeropress indefinitely). The main advantage of it being a very controlled and hands-off brewing technique with consistent results. It's tiny drip holes are very susceptible to clogging by limescale so you need to make sure to wipe and dry it after every use and drip some cleaner through it if the brew time slows down.
Since you like different types of brewers, you might like a dripolator. They are no longer made, but available used. I use mine all the time and it makes very good coffee.
I wonder if you could neatly fit an Aeropress filter into the bottom of it… Mostly just for the irony of the paperless brewer working better by adding paper, but honestly might be worth a shot.
My experience is that there are some granules that come into the cup, but by 1. not stirring (i found that in general this is the biggest cause of legit grounds in my cup), and 2. using a finer grind closer to the size of a filter cup of coffee, I get a solid cup out of mine. It sounds counter-intuitive but I think the grounds form a better filter bed when they are finer and clump more evenly. I still get some stalling sometimes but it's few and far between. I agree wholeheartedly that the cleanup is a pain, and it's one of the reasons I still trade off between the pure over and my v60.
I love collecting alternative/experimental coffee brewers. May I suggest the Sowden Softbrew coffee brewer? The Pure Over seems to add unnecessary stress to the coffee making process, the Sowden Softbrew is quite pleasant.
This looks like a device I could use to make Japanese iced coffee. I saw that video the other day and the equipment pretty much lends itself to that technique.
When I first saw this I also wanted to love it. My question is how hot it the coffee after the 5 minutes it takes to make the coffee? I like my coffee HOT.
You gave so many chances to that brewer. If it would be cheaper and made out of less nice materials you would chuck it down the bin after first brew attempt base on coffee making abilities alone.
I feel like coffee was solved ages ago, and that companies are just throwing anything against the wall to see if it sticks, without trying to understand whether it is actually better than other methods. I see no problem with using a V60 with biodegradable paper filters, and there's no need to improve on that. If you want zero waste, then coffee isn't the drink for you as you're still throwing away grounds, but a french press or espresso would be better if that is your goal.
I love innovation as well as sculptural design, but - bottom line - the tool has to do its job well. #FormFollowsFunctionFail As always, your video was illuminating and entertaining! 🤓
I've never understood this brewer but I've wanted to try it for a while - you covered a lot of the gripes I have with the brewer but at the same time, I don't really want to have to add extra bits to it to get it to work ya know
Thing is..... As much as I like Morgan reviewing coffee brewers, I take her reviews with a grain of salt. There was another, yet less known youtuber who reviewed this brewer (I forgot his name, unfortunately). He also reviewed this brewer, but did in a significantly way more comprehensive way than Morgan. Unlike Morgan who mentions that she brewed with the pure-over before, which I assume is a few times here and there....this guys actually incorporated the pure-over into his daily routine and essentially became his daily driver for the next few months before giving out his final thoughts. Because of this, he was able to tweak the grind size and amount of coffee that works for him outside of the recommendations of the manufacturer and he would've encountered all of the issues a pure-over would have and he would have known how to work around them. Morgan is good for introducing less known brewers to a large audience and the initial thoughts and problems she would have is all valid, but for a full-on comprehensive guide, I'd prefer to look elsewhere. But hey, she did mention that she would continue on working with it. So we'll see.
Did you try not blooming the coffee to see if that's the issue with the excessive grounds in the bottom of the cup? Also, did you try to add a small little paper filter to see if that helps with the brewing?
My coffee knowledge is basically zero, but - with the acknowledgement that it would ruin the aesthetic of this cool brewer - could you put a flat-bottom paper filter in there to solve the grounds problem? Or does the shape make that not doable?
At that point you should just get a traditional filter brewer. The shape of the pure over would cause very strange brew bypass (water not going through the coffee) as well as being very awkward to clean. I’d get the mug if you like the aesthetic and brew into that. The mug is very handsome but the brewer is not good, and way too expensive.
With some effort you probably can, but that would just make it a normal pour over with a much worse shape, I guess. A metal filter would work better, because in theory it should give you the same “grittiness” without letting the grounds pass through. It would also make it easier to clean. And wouldn't impact the looks too much either, since it would be just a flat metal mesh at the bottom.
@@BrownProductionsTV Fair enough! I'm not looking to actually get anything; just wondering if there's a way to make this one more workable. Maybe the answer is just no, haha.
@@beitermf It's totally possible to fix it, but it would render the product useless. The reason why it gets attention is that it promises you can brew without a filter.
If someone else likes something like this, then I'm happy for them. For me, there's no way I would use it and it costs way too much for the results you get.
So I think calling this brewer a pour over rig might actually be disingenuous. IMO, this is more akin to a vintage French drip coffee maker or double coffee pot. Let me explain: I collect teapots and my collection started with a few I got from my grandmother. There is this one absolute massive unit that came with a similarly massive cylinder that had a smaller cylinder attached to its bottom with a few holes in it, much like this pot. When I asked about what it was, my mom said “oh you make coffee with it.” And indeed, the smaller cylinder part does perfectly nest in the pot itself. As I was still drinking coffee machine coffee at the time and am now primarily a French press user, I didn’t think anything of it beyond it being a curiosity. I didn’t understand why you would make coffee with it when there’s no paper filter or cone shaped component like our trusty Krups machine. But! When I saw this brewer it hit me INSTANTLY how that curiosity of mine worked. When I googled my pot based on its description, I eventually managed to narrow down what it might have been called: either a French drip coffee maker or a double coffee pot. And, in doing so, I found some tutorials on how to use it. Turns out it is EXACTLY how you used this one! That said, I don’t think the vintage pots were spared from the same brewing problems you had. More likely, this is just a way of making your teapot serve more than one purpose in a more stylish way. Anyway, I think it’d be super interesting for you to look into French drip/double coffee pot brewing! I’m definitely going to give it a try after having watched your vid!
@MorganDrinksCoffee. I tried something recently,being out of milk, where I wanted steamed frothed milk in my coffee. I grabbed a can of sweetened condensed milk. And then followed the basic rules for reconstituting it to between cream and whole milk... but with a twist. I used coffee instead of water... I then steamed it like you would milk... Just wondering if you might do a video about alternative options and seeing how they steam.
Fancy art-deco glass degree coffee filter Speaking off, have you tried a degree filter, Morgan? It requires very coarse ground coffee to prevent grounds in the cup too
Looks nicely made but I'm forced to ask... Why? What does this do that other brewers like a bog standard V60 don't actually do better? Great video review. I'm really struggling to see the point of this brewer.
I think the fact that it doesn't consume paper is a driver behind the design. I wonder if the reduced width section where the holes are would maybe fit an aeropress filter; it would be a lot less paper and still quite elegant as a product overall.
@@error.418 I expect it was aesthetically driven, otherwise they might have done a bit more to find a glass solution that replicates better the hole sizes in say a steel mesh. The technology exists. Glass does offer the possibility of greater neutrality.
I wonder if their manufacturing process is just inconsistent. I haven't really had the same issues with a dirty cup or grounds getting stuck in the hole during cleaning. I've found my brews with the pure over even cleaner than with my bodum French press
i really wonder if an aeropress paper would fit in the filter den and solve something! but then again that feats the purpose of a paper filter-less brewer
Use a plastic or wooden toothpick to clear the holes. A paper clip can scratch it. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what the motivation is here, but I would definitely be inclined to figure out how to use a paper or even cloth filter with it, just because that amount of grounds is inexcusable.
I feel like the only way to make it work is to add a secondary filter, because those holes are just way too big. Yet, the filters that would fit that depression that come to mind are all based on something with pressure (aeropress filters or the mesh screen filters). It's a pity, because it is pretty, but is definitely more form than function. Unless you like eating your coffee.
The three horseman of the coffee-pocalypse are Gritty, Chewy, and Mucky. And now I'm thinking about the Philly Flyers Mascot, Gritty, which is another thing I don't want involved in my coffee experience.
Its really cool without plastic but it wont beat the hasslefree cleaning of my v60 setup and too much residues in the cup for my taste . And im a moka pot fan.
The “filter” doesn’t seem to really work at all. You might as well brew the coffee in the mug itself. Or this seems like you need to place a paper filter between the brewer and the mug so it catches the grounds - which if they really want to go with paperless defeats the purpose. Definitely seems like a brewer made for the aesthetic and gimmick than for a quality product and coffee end result
Why do I feel like an Aeropress filter would fit on the bottom of the brewer? It'd defeat what I'm sure is the initial purpose, but it'd probably solve the mouthfeel issue at the very least...
The kettle is now white, guess Morgan had to clean it so hard to get the coffee out that she scrubbed the black coating off it... and the base for some reason.
This is so lore accurate. I'm glad that the writers are faithful to the continuity presented by the source material.
Bro scrubbed the black out of it 💀
It's behind them on the counter.
I use my PureOver every weekday (coffee just for myself), and a Chemex on the weekend (for me and my wife). Here's what I've discovered over the last 8 months of ownership:
1) Grind larger than you may think. For example, on my Baratza Encore, I grind for Chemex at setting 21 and for PureOver at 24. This leaves just a tiny layer of fines in my PureOver brew.
2) Boiling water. The larger grind + boiling water makes a very pleasant cup. Not as sweet and clean as the Chemex at say... 98-99C with finer grind, but still very tasty.
3) I still use a 1L to 60g ratio, so I'm putting about 330mL of water including the bloom. I don't use the handle as the measuring spot.
With that process and a nice light or medium roast coffee, I'm enjoying delicious brews 5 days a week without generating waste.
You're absolutely correct that it has the mouthfeel of a French press, but I think it has the flavor of a pour-over since it's percolating instead of immersing. Just last weekend, wife and I did a side by side tasting of the same beans through PureOver and Chemex. The Chemex was more clean and sweet while the PureOver was deeper and chewier. Some people might prefer one over the other, but both cups were delicious.
Basically, I find it to be a fun way to enjoy coffee without making extra waste. It's a beautiful design-y object, to boot. I love my PureOver... especially being able to throw it in the dishwasher every night. =)
Thank you for sharing!
@@morgandrinkscoffee Any time, I love your videos! =) I think maybe your brewer has larger holes than mine - I don't know... I've never seen sludge like you're getting even with my very first brew attempt on Christmas morning last year. A manufacturing inconsistency would be a huge bummer.
I recently got and fell in love with a vietnamese phin brewer. Super simple, super cheap, no disposable parts, bloom, pour, and forget, yet somehow you don't get fines or dregs that go through even if it's just small holes in a metal cup with the same grind I use for aeropress. You should check it out if you can get your hands on one
So many of these "filterless" brewers are trying to be environmentally friendly yet cause so much water waste while trying to clean them and still produce bad cups. An aeropress is all plastic but I've had mine the better part of a decade, and the filters are cheap and tiny and biodegradable. The V60 papers are thin, too, but I finally broke my glass V60 carafe.
Plastic isn't inherently awful. Like with the aeropress, it's *super* sturdy and likely to last you a long long time. The problem with plastic is with "disposable" plastic.
That's something I was going to ask... I get trying to be as ecofriendly as possible, but are paper filters that harmful to the environment that we should go out of our way to avoid using them?
@@leonardorechsteiner5429 paper filters aren’t a problem at all, if you buy ones that are as close to you as possible to reduce co2 produced via shipping then you’re fine. Especially aeropress filters which are tiny are way better for the environment than a glass coffee brewer that takes a lot to clean and that doesn’t work so you need to replace it anyway
@@JadeNeoma a lot less water goes into washing glass than growing trees, even to make a small amount of paper. All a relatively small drop in the bucket compared to getting the actual coffee moved around the planet. Of course, there are reusable fabric filters but they need rinsed but James did the math on it and proved a fabric filter beats out paper but not by much
@@veganpotterthevegan water isn’t inherently an ecological problem, potable water is, you don’t need potable water for trees
around 6:30 ish You mention having to rush your conical brewers to the sink when finished; what I do with my Hario, is to have a ramakin ready (such as the ones GU desserts come in) which i can set the brewer on so it doesn't drip all over the counter or floor on the way to the sink.
I use one of those glasses that Nutella comes in if you get the small one. It's also what I pour my pre-wet water into, and keep my stir spoon in until I need it.
GU deserts? What? Do you mean Gü desserts?
You can also just us a spare mug or literally anything
I also added a pull out drawer in my island for food waste. But my municipality picks up food waste for composting
@@error.418 you clearly knew what i was talking about, no need to be a pedant
Really feels like they were trying to fix what isn’t broke with this one, but I can’t deny it LOOKS really neat
I really like non paper filtered coffee, but a clever dripper with a metal cone filter makes it so much easier than a lot of these weird coffee brewers. But its so much fun to see the insanity.
But those paper filters are a lot easier to carry when you are hiking and take up less space in my cupboard.
@@EckmanJones Now if only there were a collapsible Clever...
Where do we find the metal cone filter?
@@floydald I got mine with my cold brew set up and the nitro cold brew kit.
@@floydald You can also google exactly what you you just said: metal cone filter. Tons of results 👍I'm still partial to unbleached paper filters, to be honest. Easiest clean-up, biodegradable, great results. So I don't have a specific metal filter to suggest.
I got one of these during their Kickstarter campaign. I have rarely gotten a brew that didn't stall. It is now sitting in the back of the cabinet. BTW during the campaign they claimed it would be a clean cup. So very unhappy with it. Oh, and a toothpick works best to remove the grains stuck in the holes.
Agreed
This ^ and also after it launched all the coffee ig influencers promoting it as if it was the most revolutionary brewer… smh 🤦🏻♂️
I kickstarted it too and I find it also sits on the shelf. The holes are just to large to be effective as a filter. I’ve even cut little paper filter discs to drop in atop the filter area, and it helps a bit. But it’s not worth the hassle.
Samesies
I like French Press coffee. Any grounds that turn up are really fine and usually sink to the bottom. I like Middle Eastern style as well where you literally drink some of the grounds with the coffee (thus the coffee has to be ground to almost flour fineness). For what this thing costs, I could buy a French Press, an AeroPress, and an Ibrik and hand grinder for the mentioned middle eastern coffee. The faults with this should have been caught in the design phase. I bet simply tucking an Aeropress filter into the lower filtering part would deal with things nicely, but then you could just use an Aeropress for a much faster and probably better cup of coffee.
A lot of people like French presses because of the lack of paper filtration. This seems worth a try for those people. I know I'd buy one if it were made of lexan instead of glass
@@veganpotterthevegan Why would I spend 3X the cost of a decent French Press for this?
@@CrimFerret if you don't want it, don't buy it. Why would someone pay $40k for a car when they can get a used one for $4k or less?
@@veganpotterthevegan You seem to be under the impression that a French Press or even an AeroPress would be worse than this at making coffee. The reverse is pretty obviously true. If you have one and enjoy it, then have at. I don't have time to fiddle with something that makes mediocre coffee.
@@veganpotterthevegan I have a double-walled stainless steel French press that has served me well. The dents in the outer wall demonstrate why I can't use glass--small children, large dogs, and cats are NOT kind to glassware! The thing's built like a thermos, with a vacuum between the walls to act as insulation. These can be a bit harder to find--I've never seen one in a store, for example--but since they're more or less a one-and-done investment the amount of time invested in finding one, plus the extra cost (they're more expensive than a typical French press, less than a lot of the fancy brewers out there), are well worth it. I used to use it daily, before I started playing around with my Mocha pot.
Well, I don't have one of these, but, I'd suggest doing what I do for my French Press and percolator. Get a tea strainer and transfer from the brew cup to another cup. That should prevent any grounds from getting into your cup, and give you a cleaner cup. As an earlier poster said (and as you suspect), it seems no two Pure Overs are the same. Not sure how these are manufactured, but if anywhere near by hand, you're going to have different drain hole sizes.
Maybe the manufacturer can produce a mold with a much finer set of holes, and use a somewhat thicker pour of molten glass. Though, I suspect the hole sizes are affected more by the cooling stage than anything else.
I've gotten pretty nerdy over the years but I still adore a good french press. Never felt the need to filter it out. The holes in this thing though look like they are a prime candidate for approaching with some higher technology than a drill.
The real question: why are you using a percolator? It double cooks the coffee... :(
@@error.418 not if you know what you're doing.
@@DonP_is_lostagain No. Percolators are not skill-based. The brew water rises up the perc tube, percolates through the coffee bed, and right back into the heating chamber. You heat that brewed coffee over and over. It is the death of coffee via an outdated design flaw.
@@error.418 Thanks Captain Obvious. I know how a percolator works. Been using one since 1970. And if you watch the brew properly, you stop it before it "reboils" the coffee by turning down the heat. So, you make coffee your way, and I'll make mine my way.
This reminds me of the Karlsbader Kanne, an older German ceramic coffee brewer. It's essentially the same, but with two layers of porcelain filter.
Maybe I've missed it, but I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone make the comparison. It seems like someone got this design right 200 years ago.
I had exactly the same thought, it seems to be a _Karlsbader Kanne_ made of glass! With the difference that for the Pure Over, they recommend medium-coarsely ground coffee, whereas for a Karlsbader Kanne, very coarsely ground coffee is recommended ("grießfein" in German). And there is no spoon included in the Karlsbader Kanne, nor is stirring part of making coffee with it.
I played around with a Karlsbader Kanne a bit recently and ran into similar problems (=a stalled brew where I needed to stir to finish the drawdown). In my case, it helped to use a grinder that doesn't produce a ton of fines when grinding coarsely (particularly a C40 set to 35 clicks).
I was about to make that comparison as well. I wasn't able to find an english name for the Karlsbader Kanne, so maybe it just isn't widely known in the non germanic parts of the world?
@@hendrikm9569 Looks as if you are right and the Karlsbader Kanne is mostly known in German-speaking parts of the world. Probably, the same principle of drip coffee brewing was implemented with different devices in different regions of the world.
To get an idea of how widely known any of these devices still is, I compared the _total number of results_ returned by Google for the following search phrases:
"drip coffee pot" 602000 results
"cafe phin" 249000
dripolator 76300
"caffettiera napoletana" 42300
"indian coffee filter" 21400
"karlsbader kanne" 14600
"karlsbad coffee maker" 3570
For comparison:
v60 coffee 5780000
chemex 7460000
This would explain why only few people come to the same conclusion as we. 🤔
I love your content and I fully support you getting sponsorships to help this channel. Please look more into pela as a company and specifically lomi as a product. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your business, I just believe you might not have a complete picture here.
If you ask me that lomi thing is incredibly wasteful, overpriced, a borderline scam and honestly more marketing exercise than product.
Thank you for your videos!
I second this. It's essentially just a crappy dehydrator. For garbage. :/
I agree!
Please, I also urge you
@@davidcool5189 TBF 3hrs is pretty damn fast for a dehydrator. It should make pretty quick black garlic.
Do you have some pointers as to where I can find more info? I love the idea of a lomi for people who have no other means of composting like me (my city doesnt offer it and I have no garden). Id use the compost for my little balcony where I grow veggies and herbs from it. It would save a lot of waste from going to landfill where it would just rot and release tons of methane. And I wouldn't need to buy fertilizer and bags of soil anymore for my plants.
But I'd like to know the cons as well. Like, how many years would I need to use it before it actually saved more waste/resources than it cost to make the Lomi.
I bought just the pour over and not the cup. If you use a Hario Decanter with the ribbed glass (or knockoff) it easily catches the fines that made it through while pouring. Also if you watch their videos the timer on the scale is at 7 minutes. So I adjust grind for a 7 minute draw down. Similar to a nice French press time. I've gotten some good clean cups this way.
I could quite literally listen to you talk and brew all day long
You have such a gentle energy and are undoubtedly cute as a button
RE: running your pour over to the sink, I have a little tiny plate that I keep on my coffee nook & place my V60 on it when I'm done brewing. It came from an espresso cup set I got at a conference. Would recommend!
I place a teaspoon under it, and carry it to the sink, then have about a half teaspoon of coffee to slurp from the spoon. :)
Watching these newer coffee brewer designs…I feel it’s like building a better mousetrap. The Classics still work ☕️
My Black & Decker 12 cup brewer repeatedly makes a great cup after learning others don’t. The journey was a interesting one.
ty for presenting me with this mousetrap analogy. ive never heard it before and i will now overuse it
I think the new mousetraps work better than the old style. Had a mouse issue at work all of a sudden and had to buy a bunch of them. They were easier to set and didn’t need bait. Just saying. People used to think percolators were the bomb until someone came up with a better design. Things can always be improved even slightly. That being said this thing is terrible. Pretty but terrible.
Once you showed the grounds at the bottom of the stand, I was wondering how the heck you could get something other than mud
Hi Morgan, I use the local Indian filter coffee maker made of steel, super basic, but it could be an interesting one for you to review, if you can find it in US. Much love ❤
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_filter_coffee , the South Indian one
Looks a lot like a Vietnamese phin brewer.
@@davidcool5189 I like vietnamese coffee, TIL the original method. I guess there is no shartage of coffe making ingenuity
@@irfanadamm5819 There really isn't. There's a place near me that does exclusively siphon coffee, and they have a big poster with patent drawings for what must be at least two, if not three dozen siphon coffee brewers. And siphon brewing is probably the least popular niche.
Have you seen the aramse video?
@MorganDrinksCoffee , I won't say Lomi is a scam. However, they sue people who speak bad of them, reviews show the product has a nasty habit of only lasting 2 to 3 months, and they like to sign people up for expensive subscriptions without their permission while also making it near impossible to unsubscribe. Oh, and the machine is just a slightly modified bread machine. There isn't anything fancy or special about it and yet it still breaks down at the drop of a hat.
Omg! It’s Morgan again! 😂 I’m not mad about the multi uploads this week 😊😊☕️
I don’t ever think I’ve done three videos in a week before but we’re really packing them in before I disappear to Melbourne at the end of the month!
@@morgandrinkscoffee We’re also so excited for the worldwide competition!! You’re gonna kill it!
You could in theory recirculate the coffee through the bed a few times and it would eventually filter itself. This is what is typically done in beer brewing when separating the grain from the wort
i think the grounds are inevitable, i think if you really hate the grounds, paper filter are the best option, but one pourover i really recommended are vietnam phin! i use it quite often because even some ground still coming out, its very minimum amount! brew time are pretty long like 10 minutes but its worth to wait imo
My French press broke this week and without any other options I started brewing my coffee in a plain glass measuring pitcher, and then pouring carefully into my mug through a metal mesh kitchen strainer. The result of that method seems to be better than what this brewer is achieving, and my setup costs maybe $10 total.
Despite the 'advantage' of no filter, I wonder how it would do with the addition of something like an aeropress paper filter disk added to the bottom... 🤔
was thinking that most of the video. would love to see what happens with that
Not a bad idea, but the issue is that the 'filter' area on the pureover is smaller in diameter than the aeropress so it would require some cutting to get it to fit nicely. Then once done and then would be a pain to get back off as it's more likely to 'stick' than the grounds. That said it would help with the grit while still being handy to use
I usually am able to clean most of the grounds out of the filter holes by spraying water through the bottom, and pushing them back out, rather than running water through and trying to rinse them out that way. If all else fails, pressing a toothbrush or cleaning brush against the bottom so the bristles poke up through the holes usually pushes them back through really quickly.
I wonder if a coffee sieve or something like the Shimmy coffee sleeve might help reduce the amount of fines that make their way into the cup? What I've sort of done is brew into a carafe rather than directly into a mug, and then pouring the coffee into the mug and avoiding the very end of the carafe where things have settled to the bottom.
PureOver owner here. I also ran into most of the issues that Morgan lists here. I ultimately ended up using paper AeroPress filters in the bottom (you have to trim them to fit). Its a lovely idea, but really it just doesn't work for anyone that doesn't like grounds in their coffee.
I think James Hoffmann reviewed some products that could actually achieve what this was trying to by using cones of porous ceramic where the pores are much smaller than any coffee grounds could get through. The problem with those products is that they're _really_ hard to clean by nature of being, you know, a porous ceramic coated with fine powder.
yes, and he thought they were an environmental nightmare due to particles and the huge amounts of water needed to clean the thing.
Just seems like they couldn't make the holes in the bottom small enough because it's made of glass. The idea of all-glass construction is nice, but not if it doesn't brew properly
Yes, this.
Also those oversize holes are little tunnels. Metal filters can be very thin and still hold up just fine when perforated, and if that's not enough for you then you can make a wire mesh for even tinier holes. There *is* amazing high-tech glass that could be made to work, for a price, but I suspect that would result in a product that was too expensive and nobody would buy it.
I actually feel they could’ve made it finer. It doesn’t need to be laboratory grade filtration; but it’s definitely possible to make a glass filter that won’t allow any particles of solid through.
Okay so for some reason I was never know of this channels existence.
As a coffee lover myself it such an awesome sight to see someone be so immersed in the history of coffee brewing.
I’ve definitely subscribed & notification on can’t wait to see more content. Thank you RUclips for recommending me someone so obsessed with coffee as I am.
Do you watch James Hoffman as well?
I have a pure over, and I find it makes a cup that is comparable to a French press with a slightly brighter finish. I enjoy using it, but I do get issues with it stalling - easily resolved with some agitation. With a coarseish grind I don't have issues with large pieces in the mug. It's a fun brewer, but not one I use every day.
What kind of coffee do you like? I'm definitely getting the impression that it's capable of being perfect with certain things but just doesn't have the flexibility to accommodate a wide range of coffees at various roast points since each will have a relatively particular peak for grind size for pour over.
@@weatheranddarkness I tend to favour medium roast single origins, currently loving an Ethiopian one. I have similar results with other origins using the pure over. I suspect part of the problems Morgan had was with the stirring. I don't stir mine, I gently push it with the stick to loosen it and that's it. No stirring, no major agitation of the coffee, just a little push to get things moving again.
It really seems like a plausible idea that was executed in a half-baked way. In theory, the best way I can see this brewer working is if someone can figure out how to get water onto the grounds with no turbulence or agitation whatsoever. Using the diffuser lid may help reduce that, but the water is still basically going to initially hit the grounds hard. Off the top of my head, the only way I can think of to do so without any added equipment is if you use the gooseneck spout to pour against the inner wall of the brewer, so that the water flows down the side. Sort of like how you'd try to pour a beer on a tilted glass to avoid too much foaming. You can also try rotating the brewer as you pour against the inner wall to get an even enough saturation. Even then, seems like a lot of hassle just to avoid needing a paper or metal filter.
👍👍I don't know how useful my tip would be across different brewing equipment but I use an all silicone basting brush to dust dried grounds from the metal filter and threads of my moka pot
No, no, no guys. You got it all wrong. No wonder you are not enjoying it. This is like a Harley motorcycle, it’s for you to customize it. I asked my wife to create me a little cloth circle to use as a filter. She stacked some cheesecloth layers and made me a filter. It looks like a little Oreo cookie. In the very center I push a cloth pin through a hole in the glass.
I smile every day with my “Harley” Coffee Brewer and zero grinds. This glass is worth it and something I don’t see mention here, this glass sings to you as you clean it !
love
I don't have this brewer. But I have a thought as someone who likes beer.
With beer you drink from a tulip glass when your beer has in bottle sentiment. As the shape of the mug helps catch the sunken bits before they reach your mouth. I have one mug in a similar shape, and it's my go to when using my french press. I think addressing mug shape as a variable may help.
When I make a French Press these days I tend to decant at about four mins and then let the decanted coffee sit for another 4-5 mins before pouring to let the fines settle (a ridged jug lik a Hario one helps here). It takes time but you get a much cleaner cup. I'd be interested in whether that approach works here.
Never thought I’d watch a RUclipsr who specializes in coffee 😭
It’s super entertaining though!
Welcome to the gang!!
fr, I don't even drink coffee lmfaoo
@@WateverWatever04 exactly
@@WateverWatever04 I thought I was pretty much the only tea drinker here, I love Morgan and this channel, but unfortunately coffee just doesn't agree with me
In fact... the add on mug is very nice. Have started using it more regularly.
Hey morgan, in chemistry they use a fritted glass filter, which is 100% glass and filters super well. Could you try making coffee with that?
Glass frits can only be effectively cleaned with strong acid (conc. Sulphuric or better yet piranha solution) and are prone to clogging. Honestly even in the lab I use filter papers and gravity wherever possible - less of a hassle to clean and less risk of contaminants hiding somewhere in there to cause you grief.
The only non-standard filter I’ve ever liked is using a Cory rod in a siphon pot. Cleaner than I can get with a French press and super easy for clean up.
Honestly I feel that a piece of round-cut V60 filter paper in the bottom there would solve the issues, both with clogging, cleaning, and grounds in the cup. Of course this turns it into a strangely shaped V60 brewer. Also as an observation, every disadvantage you mentioned to using the gooseneck straight into the brewer, also applies to the diffusion lid, it does not reach into the sides of the cone either. The shape itself is the problem there, not the kettle vs the lid.
Other than that it is an esthetically pleasing brewer, but it seems to be more fashion over function.
I tend to keep a spare matcha bowl/measuring bowl with me just to place my top cone/filter papers into instead of frantically running to the sink/trash can. But I completely understand where you are coming from
Perhaps try pre-wetting while in the stand.
Fill the stand with water, add the coffee to the brewer while in the stand filled with water, this will clump the coffee and then place the brewer on to the cup an pour.
This still sounds like more faff than necessary for what seems to be a very mediocre experience.
i love how when she takes a sip, you can tell in her voice that she was grimacing a bit from the grinds in the coffee
Hi there, I do have a Pure Over, and don’t have the problems you have. I agree that the taste is akin to a French press, but I usually prefer the Pure Over because it provides a cleaner cup. My guess is that you grind way too fine. I usually grind the same as for a French press, or very slightly finer. There’s never more than a dozen little coffee bits falling through, and that’s also as much as one would find later in the cup. I even put the grinds that fall through back into the brewer, I’m actually a bit at a loss as to how you get all that coffee sludge in your cup. Clean up is not the quickest, I just spoon most of the grounds from the brewer into the compost, then flush it out. If a few bits get stuck I use a tooth pick. Still faster than cleaning a French press. Draw down time is about three minutes. It never stalls. No pre-infusion, or wetting the brewer, necessary. I do like a French press, but the Pure Over makes a cleaner cup. Just my experience.
Thanks for sharing! I’m also at a bit of a loss. Even prior to this video I experimented with a wide variety of grind sizes, especially coarseness comparable to a French press or even cold brew. They all yielded quite a bit of sludge. My only thought is that there could be variation in the “hole” sizes from brewer to brewer?
Again, curious.
@@morgandrinkscoffee I’ve also read other reviews describing similar problems to yours. And I also have my suspicions that not all Pure Overs are created equal. A variation in hole size from brewer to brewer would explain a lot. Only the maker could really answer to that. I also have a very good grinder with very few fines and a narrow grind size distribution, guess that helps too. Then again, I’ve had my Pure Over for longer than that grinder and never had any real problems… a weird one it is.
Despite the aesthetics, Morgan's appreciation for this brewer seems to have ground to a halt...
Morgan's laugh is like medicine for my anxiety
"An adventure in your mouth" is the most hilarious comment I've ever heard about a coffee maker 🤣
I haven't seen you try the Gabi master A. It's been my favorite every since I got it (shelving the Aeropress indefinitely). The main advantage of it being a very controlled and hands-off brewing technique with consistent results. It's tiny drip holes are very susceptible to clogging by limescale so you need to make sure to wipe and dry it after every use and drip some cleaner through it if the brew time slows down.
I just fell flat on my face trying to slide through my kitchen Morgan-style
Since you like different types of brewers, you might like a dripolator. They are no longer made, but available used. I use mine all the time and it makes very good coffee.
I wonder if you could neatly fit an Aeropress filter into the bottom of it…
Mostly just for the irony of the paperless brewer working better by adding paper, but honestly might be worth a shot.
My experience is that there are some granules that come into the cup, but by 1. not stirring (i found that in general this is the biggest cause of legit grounds in my cup), and 2. using a finer grind closer to the size of a filter cup of coffee, I get a solid cup out of mine. It sounds counter-intuitive but I think the grounds form a better filter bed when they are finer and clump more evenly. I still get some stalling sometimes but it's few and far between. I agree wholeheartedly that the cleanup is a pain, and it's one of the reasons I still trade off between the pure over and my v60.
I'd love to see you try the Etkin dripper if you can get your hands on one!
I love collecting alternative/experimental coffee brewers. May I suggest the Sowden Softbrew coffee brewer? The Pure Over seems to add unnecessary stress to the coffee making process, the Sowden Softbrew is quite pleasant.
This looks like a device I could use to make Japanese iced coffee. I saw that video the other day and the equipment pretty much lends itself to that technique.
First time hearing your voice ❤️
Thank you Morgan for buying this brewew so I didn't have to.
If you have a brush for washing dishes, try stabbing the holes in the brewer with it! That's what I do to clean gunk out of my sive/strainer thing!
When I first saw this I also wanted to love it. My question is how hot it the coffee after the 5 minutes it takes to make the coffee? I like my coffee HOT.
You gave so many chances to that brewer. If it would be cheaper and made out of less nice materials you would chuck it down the bin after first brew attempt base on coffee making abilities alone.
Always happy to see a Morgan upload!! It’s been a treat with all these uploads!!
I feel like coffee was solved ages ago, and that companies are just throwing anything against the wall to see if it sticks, without trying to understand whether it is actually better than other methods. I see no problem with using a V60 with biodegradable paper filters, and there's no need to improve on that. If you want zero waste, then coffee isn't the drink for you as you're still throwing away grounds, but a french press or espresso would be better if that is your goal.
@Morgan you should get yourself a Vietnamese phin and some 100% robusta coffee and a can of condensed milk, lots of fun time to be had.
I love innovation as well as sculptural design, but - bottom line - the tool has to do its job well. #FormFollowsFunctionFail
As always, your video was illuminating and entertaining! 🤓
Have you tried dumping the initial bloom coffee? I feel like a lot of the fines and initial much might drain through the filter in that bloom phase.
an adventure in my mouth is never something I thought I would hear about drinking a cup of coffee... :D
I’d suggest RS16 made by coffee consulate. It’s a glass perculation no filter needed dripper
I've never understood this brewer but I've wanted to try it for a while - you covered a lot of the gripes I have with the brewer but at the same time, I don't really want to have to add extra bits to it to get it to work ya know
reminds me of those japanese stone filters tbf
Thing is..... As much as I like Morgan reviewing coffee brewers, I take her reviews with a grain of salt.
There was another, yet less known youtuber who reviewed this brewer (I forgot his name, unfortunately). He also reviewed this brewer, but did in a significantly way more comprehensive way than Morgan. Unlike Morgan who mentions that she brewed with the pure-over before, which I assume is a few times here and there....this guys actually incorporated the pure-over into his daily routine and essentially became his daily driver for the next few months before giving out his final thoughts. Because of this, he was able to tweak the grind size and amount of coffee that works for him outside of the recommendations of the manufacturer and he would've encountered all of the issues a pure-over would have and he would have known how to work around them.
Morgan is good for introducing less known brewers to a large audience and the initial thoughts and problems she would have is all valid, but for a full-on comprehensive guide, I'd prefer to look elsewhere.
But hey, she did mention that she would continue on working with it. So we'll see.
This in a slight way reminds me of a phin filter the way it works. They also get some grounds in the coffee as well.
Reminds me of the form-over-function tea infusers, where they look quite stylish, but always end up releasing half the tea leaves into your cup. Why?!
Did you try not blooming the coffee to see if that's the issue with the excessive grounds in the bottom of the cup? Also, did you try to add a small little paper filter to see if that helps with the brewing?
My coffee knowledge is basically zero, but - with the acknowledgement that it would ruin the aesthetic of this cool brewer - could you put a flat-bottom paper filter in there to solve the grounds problem? Or does the shape make that not doable?
At that point you should just get a traditional filter brewer. The shape of the pure over would cause very strange brew bypass (water not going through the coffee) as well as being very awkward to clean. I’d get the mug if you like the aesthetic and brew into that. The mug is very handsome but the brewer is not good, and way too expensive.
With some effort you probably can, but that would just make it a normal pour over with a much worse shape, I guess. A metal filter would work better, because in theory it should give you the same “grittiness” without letting the grounds pass through. It would also make it easier to clean. And wouldn't impact the looks too much either, since it would be just a flat metal mesh at the bottom.
@@BrownProductionsTV Fair enough! I'm not looking to actually get anything; just wondering if there's a way to make this one more workable. Maybe the answer is just no, haha.
@@beitermf It's totally possible to fix it, but it would render the product useless. The reason why it gets attention is that it promises you can brew without a filter.
If someone else likes something like this, then I'm happy for them. For me, there's no way I would use it and it costs way too much for the results you get.
wouldnt a second glass filter layer limit the amount of granules that go through ? interesting brewer
I think that would but work. I wonder though if it would increase the draw down time and lead to an over-extracted coffee.
If they were fixed, how would you clean the grinds that get stuck in-between them?
@@cloudyview make it removable
that was so nice to watch while brewing with a v60.
So I think calling this brewer a pour over rig might actually be disingenuous. IMO, this is more akin to a vintage French drip coffee maker or double coffee pot. Let me explain:
I collect teapots and my collection started with a few I got from my grandmother. There is this one absolute massive unit that came with a similarly massive cylinder that had a smaller cylinder attached to its bottom with a few holes in it, much like this pot. When I asked about what it was, my mom said “oh you make coffee with it.” And indeed, the smaller cylinder part does perfectly nest in the pot itself. As I was still drinking coffee machine coffee at the time and am now primarily a French press user, I didn’t think anything of it beyond it being a curiosity. I didn’t understand why you would make coffee with it when there’s no paper filter or cone shaped component like our trusty Krups machine. But! When I saw this brewer it hit me INSTANTLY how that curiosity of mine worked. When I googled my pot based on its description, I eventually managed to narrow down what it might have been called: either a French drip coffee maker or a double coffee pot. And, in doing so, I found some tutorials on how to use it. Turns out it is EXACTLY how you used this one!
That said, I don’t think the vintage pots were spared from the same brewing problems you had. More likely, this is just a way of making your teapot serve more than one purpose in a more stylish way.
Anyway, I think it’d be super interesting for you to look into French drip/double coffee pot brewing! I’m definitely going to give it a try after having watched your vid!
@MorganDrinksCoffee. I tried something recently,being out of milk, where I wanted steamed frothed milk in my coffee.
I grabbed a can of sweetened condensed milk. And then followed the basic rules for reconstituting it to between cream and whole milk...
but with a twist.
I used coffee instead of water...
I then steamed it like you would milk...
Just wondering if you might do a video about alternative options and seeing how they steam.
Thanks for sharing
Fancy art-deco glass degree coffee filter
Speaking off, have you tried a degree filter, Morgan? It requires very coarse ground coffee to prevent grounds in the cup too
Looks nicely made but I'm forced to ask... Why? What does this do that other brewers like a bog standard V60 don't actually do better? Great video review. I'm really struggling to see the point of this brewer.
I think the fact that it doesn't consume paper is a driver behind the design. I wonder if the reduced width section where the holes are would maybe fit an aeropress filter; it would be a lot less paper and still quite elegant as a product overall.
@@weatheranddarkness Okay but metal and cloth filters for pour over devices have been around for decades... This seems like faff without a benefit.
@@error.418 I expect it was aesthetically driven, otherwise they might have done a bit more to find a glass solution that replicates better the hole sizes in say a steel mesh. The technology exists. Glass does offer the possibility of greater neutrality.
@@weatheranddarkness Definitely agree this was more aesthetically driven than functional.
@@weatheranddarkness good point. If I owned one of these I’d probably give that a try.
I like the mug! Anyone else think the phrase “muck in the cup” would make a great coffee critic channel title?
Hi I'm new to the longer content! This was a really interesting video
Thank you
Yay new video!
I wonder if their manufacturing process is just inconsistent. I haven't really had the same issues with a dirty cup or grounds getting stuck in the hole during cleaning. I've found my brews with the pure over even cleaner than with my bodum French press
i really wonder if an aeropress paper would fit in the filter den and solve something! but then again that feats the purpose of a paper filter-less brewer
Maybe try pre wetting and then dump the coffee after the bloom. Then continue the process? Maybe?
Phin style. Food and drink in 1. I love my phin. I just wish it was a cleaner cup at the end. Mmmm condensed milk.... added to shopping list 😂😂😂😂
Would a aero press paper filter fit between the brewer and the cup?
Would love to see if fixes the fines and grounds problem
Hi, would an aeropress filter fit in the bottom?
I am almost tempted to buy one so I can try
Use a plastic or wooden toothpick to clear the holes. A paper clip can scratch it.
Honestly I'm not entirely sure what the motivation is here, but I would definitely be inclined to figure out how to use a paper or even cloth filter with it, just because that amount of grounds is inexcusable.
Or just ditch it and get a Clever Dripper if pour over is too much effort.
I feel like the only way to make it work is to add a secondary filter, because those holes are just way too big. Yet, the filters that would fit that depression that come to mind are all based on something with pressure (aeropress filters or the mesh screen filters). It's a pity, because it is pretty, but is definitely more form than function. Unless you like eating your coffee.
The three horseman of the coffee-pocalypse are Gritty, Chewy, and Mucky. And now I'm thinking about the Philly Flyers Mascot, Gritty, which is another thing I don't want involved in my coffee experience.
Its really cool without plastic but it wont beat the hasslefree cleaning of my v60 setup and too much residues in the cup for my taste . And im a moka pot fan.
What about using a filter between the brewer and the cup, would it be possible to use one without breaking, leaking or ending up inside the cup?
Will an aeropress filter fit in it ? Im curious how the results will be like if u add it
Maybe a better use would be for a very coarse overnight cold brew?
THE SUMMER OF MORGAN!
The “filter” doesn’t seem to really work at all. You might as well brew the coffee in the mug itself. Or this seems like you need to place a paper filter between the brewer and the mug so it catches the grounds - which if they really want to go with paperless defeats the purpose. Definitely seems like a brewer made for the aesthetic and gimmick than for a quality product and coffee end result
Why do I feel like an Aeropress filter would fit on the bottom of the brewer? It'd defeat what I'm sure is the initial purpose, but it'd probably solve the mouthfeel issue at the very least...