It is implied that Goku surpassed Beerus in the anime since Jiren is said to be stronger than Belmond, and that Beerus once lost to Belmond in an arm wrestle. Although Beerus protests Whis implication saying he would win in a fight. There is also v-jump promotional material that says Goku surpassed Beerus directly after achieving UI vs Jiren the second time. All that being said I suspect when DBS anime returns, it will closely follow the manga narrative, and Beerus will be confirmed as stronger than Goku again up until the manga chooses to allow him to be surpassed. At that point you can either argue Jiren was technically implied, but not confirmed and that Beerus could have indeed beaten Belmond in a fight, or that Beerus grew in power if we see him training or some other such thing to imply that he has been growing in power.
Yeah i was thinking it was implied. Like i could be wrong as i dont remember specific details regarding to belmond and jiren but i vaguely remember wondering with my brother "what if it wasnt jiren they were referring to as being stronger?"
@@rngss9541i mean ur strength usually dictates ur power level. If krillin and gohan were to arm wrestle im assuming ur automatically putting ur money on gohan
i would say "you don't say", but the sad truth is we needed this video... how do people still talk about manga and anime Beerus as it's the same character amaze me.
Toriyama also stated in an interview in 2016 that he had no plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus or Whis. Beerus in the manga has always been scaled consistently 💯
The anime was created first. Essentially The Anime is Toriyama’s canon. The Manga is Toyotaro’s canon. Toyotaro used to follow the anime canon but has deviated completely. Toriyama allowed for this. But if we’re him, I would not have allowed it to be so. To much confusion. In short, The Anime Beerus Power Level stated the same. The Manga version started following the anime for a short time. Then changed to keep makin Beerus Stronger. Directly disrespecting and overshadow Ming Goku & Vegeta’s elevation in power level.
Being immortal does not make you impervious to Beerus hakai. We see this when we whis explains that it does not matter if you are alive or dead Beerus can wipe you from existence.
In the manga they say that Beerus can't erase immortals but has a technique better than the Mafuba. This makes sense as Beerus has been said that the only way to kill an Angel is for them to break their rules so there is already at least one exception there. Zeno however is just able to do it with no problem, meaning he is still the most powerful if not the strongest.
Beerus said himself he can't erase immortals or anyone stronger than him, so that would mean Hakai is just a nerfed version of existence erasure Also in DB if you get killed while you're still dead, you cease to exist
He isn't inconsistent. The anime and manga just have different powerscaling, due to having multiple differences in their writing. As an example, instead of becoming one with the universe, manga zamasu just makes clones of himself, toppo doesn't have his transformation in the manga, and neither does dispo. So, just because in beerus is stronger than them in the manga, doesn't mean that that is the case in the anime too.
i like where he explained of why beerus is so inconsistent💀 i was looking forward to this shit i was like ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh the writers have though ahead for once in their mother fucking life????i need to see that and i got nothing but a recap of the series
Honestly I feel like this is DB all over again where we are never really sure if Goku surpasses Master Roshi for a large chunk of the series. Really until the Piccolo arch Master Roshi always appeared to be stronger than everyone else.
The destruction ki was already said to be it's own entity and the destroyers just become a vessel for that. So maybe that hakai spirit responds to the universe's fluctuating signals
If by end of series you mean the end of Super, that's an agreeable stance. This is assuming the DB series that takes place after EoZ has a different name.
The anime and the movies are much more consistent and easy to scale imo so I follow that. Gohan, Jiren and Gogeta with Goku are the only ones above Beerus in the anime. Broly and incomplete Cell Max are relative. Piccolo and Vegeta with Frieza are weaker.
In the BoG saga i doubt ssjgod is stronger then ssj3 vegito/gogeta.Goku knew that beerus was playing with him and fusion wouldn't have been enough to defeat him(which is true) but honestly i think vegito against beerus would have fought as well as ssjgod goku if not better.Due to this misconception ssjgod and blue were massively overrated just to be humbled by broly's oozaru power that proved that a ssj4(that's basically what broly is) would clap a ssj god or a ssjblue. Beerus has his plot armor so he will be surpassed only when the writers will feel like doing it.
I always understood Bills>Jiren>Clown God of Destruction>Goku I believe Potara's multiplayer makes Vegito Blue equal to Bills, but due to time constrictions Bills would clear
... First off goku is stronger than jiren now, and the clown god is above them but not in raw power but with his abilities make him stronger besides that yep
There is no inconsistency. Goku nor Broly are anywhere near Beerus. Goku and Vegeta need to fuse to do it. People fail to understand just how ridiculous fusion scaling is. And if people think UI Goku is stronger than SSJB Gogeta you're on meth. Beerus has 'always' been stronger up until this point.
I wish they didnt show the God's fighting one another this earlier they need to keep some mystery fr . Cuz then we come to this where its like is goku stronger then some of the gods
@@07sjeanlouis If that's the case, then why wouldn't they use them when being threatened by Zeno himself? I love the idea, but it makes no sense from the manga's point of view. Although, I can see an arc in the future that emphasizes how Goku inspired all GoDs to train to not get surpassed by a mortal.
Yes, there was a disappointing revelation in this scene that Beerus is probably the strongest one too, if not Belmod who was clearly holding back. They kept that one more discrete because of Jiren, but the Beerus thing was a little tough to bear at first. I mean, he barely trains, sleeps constantly, etc. In all honesty, they talk about Jiren being stronger than his own GoD, but he could be stronger than all of them besides Beerus depending on Belmod's power. If he ever returns, he'll be stronger. And Goku might have already surpassed the weaker GoDs even without TUI.
@@Zxeeph I'm not talking about fighting Zeno. Tf. I'm talking about when they're fighting each other for the Omni King's amusement, where Beerus was mostly curbstomping them. Zeno wants a show, why would they not display their full power?
@@rawrn. Goku hasn't Mastered Ultra Instinct either. They said nobody but angels can truly master UI. That's why Goku is using TUI, and Beerus also uses TUI.
@@Darkstormsun9865 they said only angels can truly master UI because it's in their biology. Goku using UI is like a human pretending to fight like an ape, but the ape will be the better fighter because he's built to fight that way, with strong arms and jaws. It's like teaching a human how to fly like a bird. He can buy a wingsuit but he's never gonna fly as easily as a bird does.
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It is implied that Goku surpassed Beerus in the anime since Jiren is said to be stronger than Belmond, and that Beerus once lost to Belmond in an arm wrestle. Although Beerus protests Whis implication saying he would win in a fight. There is also v-jump promotional material that says Goku surpassed Beerus directly after achieving UI vs Jiren the second time.
All that being said I suspect when DBS anime returns, it will closely follow the manga narrative, and Beerus will be confirmed as stronger than Goku again up until the manga chooses to allow him to be surpassed. At that point you can either argue Jiren was technically implied, but not confirmed and that Beerus could have indeed beaten Belmond in a fight, or that Beerus grew in power if we see him training or some other such thing to imply that he has been growing in power.
well said from a power scaling OG
Yeah i was thinking it was implied. Like i could be wrong as i dont remember specific details regarding to belmond and jiren but i vaguely remember wondering with my brother "what if it wasnt jiren they were referring to as being stronger?"
Could’ve sworn Whis was referring to Quitela with the arm wrestling.
literally debunked by beerus saying he lost in an arm wrestling, which shows nothing about fighting strength
@@rngss9541i mean ur strength usually dictates ur power level. If krillin and gohan were to arm wrestle im assuming ur automatically putting ur money on gohan
i would say "you don't say", but the sad truth is we needed this video... how do people still talk about manga and anime Beerus as it's the same character amaze me.
I wanna spread the information as much as I can
Toriyama also stated in an interview in 2016 that he had no plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus or Whis. Beerus in the manga has always been scaled consistently 💯
That just shattered dreams. Not the dreams of us viewers, but the characters too
Toyotaro stated this.Not toriyama .He always wanted for goku to surpass beerus.
@@om9959 That is not true. Toriyama literally said this himself, you clearly did not read the interview.
@@j.i.k2.044clearly you didn’t read the interview🤓
@@nbl_justin3235 Keep telling yourself that, the facts will never change kiddo 😂😂
Phenomenal Vid God, excellent breakdown & difference between The Anime & Manga.
Finally someone who is realising the fact that manga and anime beerus scale differently to their continuity .
right like at this point I feel manga beerus would bully the shit out of anime beerus lol
The anime was created first. Essentially The Anime is Toriyama’s canon. The Manga is Toyotaro’s canon. Toyotaro used to follow the anime canon but has deviated completely. Toriyama allowed for this. But if we’re him, I would not have allowed it to be so. To much confusion.
In short, The Anime Beerus Power Level stated the same. The Manga version started following the anime for a short time. Then changed to keep makin Beerus Stronger. Directly disrespecting and overshadow Ming Goku & Vegeta’s elevation in power level.
Manga objective: surpass beerus. Anime Goku objective : surpass whis
I would love to see the origins of how beerus became the god of destruction that would be so cool
Being immortal does not make you impervious to Beerus hakai. We see this when we whis explains that it does not matter if you are alive or dead Beerus can wipe you from existence.
yes, but only those who are weaker than beerus
In the manga they say that Beerus can't erase immortals but has a technique better than the Mafuba. This makes sense as Beerus has been said that the only way to kill an Angel is for them to break their rules so there is already at least one exception there. Zeno however is just able to do it with no problem, meaning he is still the most powerful if not the strongest.
Beerus said himself he can't erase immortals or anyone stronger than him, so that would mean Hakai is just a nerfed version of existence erasure
Also in DB if you get killed while you're still dead, you cease to exist
I love that beerus will never get surpassed anytime soon
He isn't inconsistent. The anime and manga just have different powerscaling, due to having multiple differences in their writing. As an example, instead of becoming one with the universe, manga zamasu just makes clones of himself, toppo doesn't have his transformation in the manga, and neither does dispo.
So, just because in beerus is stronger than them in the manga, doesn't mean that that is the case in the anime too.
Sir ? a plane has just hit the second Beerus theory
8:18 When was this established?
i like where he explained of why beerus is so inconsistent💀 i was looking forward to this shit
i was like ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh the writers have though ahead for once in their mother fucking life????i need to see that
and i got nothing but a recap of the series
The entire them of dragon ball super is being humble
Honestly I feel like this is DB all over again where we are never really sure if Goku surpasses Master Roshi for a large chunk of the series. Really until the Piccolo arch Master Roshi always appeared to be stronger than everyone else.
Possibly the stronger the inhabitants of of a universe in turns strengthens the destroyer of that u universe.
The destruction ki was already said to be it's own entity and the destroyers just become a vessel for that. So maybe that hakai spirit responds to the universe's fluctuating signals
I don’t think Goku is going to surpass Beerus until the very end of the series
at the series end? nah bro
If by end of series you mean the end of Super, that's an agreeable stance. This is assuming the DB series that takes place after EoZ has a different name.
why is everybody not realizing that BEERUS CAN STILL TRAIN!!! its literally that simple
It's like people forget that Whis is primarily Beerus' attendant and teacher, Goku and Vegeta are just a side project.
@@trawll8659they are just mortals who wants to train, it's not whis duty to train them
He never trains soo yeah its simple but not accurate duh lol
@@sgfiree how do you kno that tho.
We really gotta get a proper rematch between goku and beerus after black freiza.
yep, or even a goku vegeta ultra fusion to really show how strong beerus is
The anime and the movies are much more consistent and easy to scale imo so I follow that.
Gohan, Jiren and Gogeta with Goku are the only ones above Beerus in the anime.
Broly and incomplete Cell Max are relative.
Piccolo and Vegeta with Frieza are weaker.
tfw you remember it was said no matter how much freeza trains he won’t beat beerus
some clown heads said beerus is weaker than broly back then
We all know beerus has another form
Majin bird, does the word "Finally" happen to be your favourite word?
Nice.
In the BoG saga i doubt ssjgod is stronger then ssj3 vegito/gogeta.Goku knew that beerus was playing with him and fusion wouldn't have been enough to defeat him(which is true) but honestly i think vegito against beerus would have fought as well as ssjgod goku if not better.Due to this misconception ssjgod and blue were massively overrated just to be humbled by broly's oozaru power that proved that a ssj4(that's basically what broly is) would clap a ssj god or a ssjblue.
Beerus has his plot armor so he will be surpassed only when the writers will feel like doing it.
I mean he literally trains with whis.. Who is stronger than HIM! And the strongest Angel. I’m not surprised he’s leveling up so fast
@riotv6 grand priest is the strongest angel, whis and vados are on par with eachother.
@@kite36 well I meant out of the universes angels not any of the priest but you right for sure
I always understood Bills>Jiren>Clown God of Destruction>Goku
I believe Potara's multiplayer makes Vegito Blue equal to Bills, but due to time constrictions Bills would clear
... First off goku is stronger than jiren now, and the clown god is above them but not in raw power but with his abilities make him stronger besides that yep
There is no inconsistency. Goku nor Broly are anywhere near Beerus. Goku and Vegeta need to fuse to do it. People fail to understand just how ridiculous fusion scaling is. And if people think UI Goku is stronger than SSJB Gogeta you're on meth.
Beerus has 'always' been stronger up until this point.
I wish they didnt show the God's fighting one another this earlier they need to keep some mystery fr . Cuz then we come to this where its like is goku stronger then some of the gods
I think each god has their own unique power of destruction. I don’t think ego is the only thing I think it maybe the most basic power of his.
@@07sjeanlouis If that's the case, then why wouldn't they use them when being threatened by Zeno himself? I love the idea, but it makes no sense from the manga's point of view. Although, I can see an arc in the future that emphasizes how Goku inspired all GoDs to train to not get surpassed by a mortal.
Yes, there was a disappointing revelation in this scene that Beerus is probably the strongest one too, if not Belmod who was clearly holding back. They kept that one more discrete because of Jiren, but the Beerus thing was a little tough to bear at first. I mean, he barely trains, sleeps constantly, etc.
In all honesty, they talk about Jiren being stronger than his own GoD, but he could be stronger than all of them besides Beerus depending on Belmod's power. If he ever returns, he'll be stronger. And Goku might have already surpassed the weaker GoDs even without TUI.
@@_WiZ420 What would you expect them to do against Zeno. No amount of special ability they have could stop him.
@@Zxeeph I'm not talking about fighting Zeno. Tf. I'm talking about when they're fighting each other for the Omni King's amusement, where Beerus was mostly curbstomping them. Zeno wants a show, why would they not display their full power?
Beerus is not weaker than UI in the anime. He also has TUI mixed with Ego.
yeah.. but what about on the TOP arc wasn't it mentioned even the gods couldn't master UI?
@@rawrn. Goku hasn't Mastered Ultra Instinct either. They said nobody but angels can truly master UI. That's why Goku is using TUI, and Beerus also uses TUI.
@rawrn. It's not they couldn't master its they have a hard time mastering it cuz its that hard.
@@Darkstormsun9865 they said only angels can truly master UI because it's in their biology. Goku using UI is like a human pretending to fight like an ape, but the ape will be the better fighter because he's built to fight that way, with strong arms and jaws. It's like teaching a human how to fly like a bird. He can buy a wingsuit but he's never gonna fly as easily as a bird does.
So basically nothing's changed. What a waste of time, and a poor attempt to get views.
Berus pure strength beats goku but goku master ui so he has more skill in that sense
I doubt a 40+ yr old man has more skill than a million + yr old man