Could Lab-Grown Salmon Be The Future Of Fish? | Lab-Grown | Science Insider
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Salmon is one of the most popular fish in the US, but farming it can cause all kinds of environmental problems. One California startup is growing salmon filets from cells. Could this lab-grown salmon be the future of fish? We went to San Francisco to try and find out.
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I think companies like this are the future. The idea of eating lab grown meat/fish doesn't bother me at all, I would love to try it. It would be great if the pressure was taken off oceans and fish stocks allowed to recover.
Tbf, it looks better than the normal salmon & I think the word “artificial” contains stigma that pushes people’s attention away from it, so I’m not sure how marketing would convince people to try it.
Too expensive right now for them to actually make a difference
@@richyket661 every new technology is too expensive at first, before becoming more affordable and accessible to the mass.
Then some day the elites will be the ones eating the fresh meat and we will be only getting the biolab meat due to class differences!
"Neck yourself"
t. Every fisherman
Maybe the lab grown variety would be price competitive if they receive the same state incentives as the fish industry.
The ammount of cash the fish and meat industry receive is just absolutely surreal.
Good point, many meats are only affordable because of subsidies, why aren’t broccoli or faux meats receiving funding, we are facing an ecological crisis you would think that would make finding alternatives a priority.
lab grown meats cant be competitive with government subsidies
the technology is still primitive
like why would i buy a prototype phone from a brand new company over an Iphone from Apple
also the technology is still small in scale
and it would take decades of research and development before economy of scale kicks in
economy of scale basically means prices drop as more people produce the product
for example: sugar was incredibly expensive until plantations in the Americas started to produce bulk loads of sugar because of slaves
same thing with silk
silk was extremely expensive until everyone found out how to make it and boom price dropped significantly
also fish and meat industry receive so many government subsidies is to encourage them to actually farm them
it is the same for normal farming
without government subsidies
many farmers would not be able to turn a profit
with subsidies they are now barely able to make a profit
if there were no subsidies
there would be a food shortage in the United States
sure the funding is high, but if you believe that every farmer in the US are big named companies
then I am sorry my friend
that aint reality
according to the 2012 census
5% of farms in the US are corporate farms
everyone likes to look at the big stuff, but then no one looks at the ones that actually do the work
like Amazon
everyone loves Amazon, but then no one pays attention to the workers until the workers actually start speaking up about their poor wages and horrible working conditions
@@allenliu8820 It's going to be more difficult with these people hiding their information if they shared info things would be done faster but these greedy scumbags don't care about the people they only care about money and it shows
@@allenliu8820 Also I believe everyone should have some form of a farm and garden chickens are very easy to raise or at least for people that have experience with basic knowledge/labor and I wish everyone was stoic and at least a little ascetic but still being altruistic
@Donald Morris in the future it can be substainable, but currently the technology is too primitive
Something that nobody here has mentioned, lab grown fish solves a large part of the plastic problem. It is now known that >70% of the plastic in our water is from fishing nets.
that‘s facts btw i would even say it‘s closer to 80% now
humans love fish
This product won’t change that
_Packages fake fish into plastic bag which will inevitably end up in the ocean._
@@JeremyFinch42 they might be able to figure out an eco friendly packaging if they really tried, and fish nets in the literal ocean vs hypothetical plastic reaching the ocean is not exactly the same
I think this is far from being "artifical". These are actual salmon cells growing, and if the taste doesn't match it should be easy enough to add sea salt and other things to try and mimic the exact flavor.
Still technically artificial since it is grown instead of farmed or wild caught, it’s still fully produced by human hands. Not a salmon living it’s life.
@@TJ-bg4fw its basically being farmed in a more technologically advanced way. For example, we've been changing how plants grow for decades and still not call them artifical though. This is not using genetically modified cells nor is it adding awkward chemicals. They're litterally directly farming the meat in a way
@@srtghfnbfg I understand what you are saying but explain that to the farm lobby or average 40 year old joe number 200,000. It’s still going to earn the label artificial because it’s not a slab of salmon from a recently swimming fish, purely from a todays market perspective.
@@TJ-bg4fw well, at least, we somewhat agree. Anyways, I couldn't care less about the lobbyists with infinite funding pushing laws to cater for the privileged few 😂
@srtghfnbfg Its more about pushing back against the stigma they are going to throw at it rather than what exactly the lobbyists think. Personally grown meats intrigues me, and if done well and nutritious I will fully throw my support behind the movement to help alleviate the need for so much farmland and grow pens in the ocean. I have no belief that it will totally supplant traditional agriculture for many many years though, but taking some of the pressure off those farms would be positive for the planet.
I see quite often people criticizing lab grown meat because "we don't know what is inside", it is actually quite the opposite. We know exactly what is inside. It is ok to not want to have it but at least, people should acknowledge the facts.
Don't know what people put inside the animals
So really they should be flipping their perspective
Having worked in a cellular biology research lab, I have to agree with you! Trying to keep one batch of identical cells alive is not easy since they don't have a body to manage any of the most basic needs, no liver and kidneys to filter out toxins and other harmful materials, no immune system to fight off viral, bacterial, or parasitic threats. Everything has to be maintained in a way that is perfectly clean and free of even the most mild impurities or the whole batch is ruined. Even with an unscrupulous company cutting every corner, in order to have a product at all it would have to be safe for long-term human consumption. Anything less and they wouldn't have kept the fish muscle cells alive long enough to grow enough to sell.
I don't have a problem with it, but it's evident that the US government doesn't monitor the food industry.
Exactly. Plus real salmon has micro plastics and possibly parasites etc since it’s a wild animal. It’s the real salmon of which “we don’t know what’s inside” lol
Do you really know? Just like farm fishing you only know what they decide to tell you, and every video like this that I've watched is very vague. Ok, they use a "nutrient bath"... fine, whats in it? We can't show/tell you as it's a trade secret.
This is easily the way to go with fish specifically because virtually all fish at this point have microplastics in the meat. lab grown fish meat won't have any of that, and there is zero risk of mercury contamination and common ocean/river pollutants.
That's a really good point!
True. However im interested in knowing how we can measure which fish are most affected by pollutants like plastics and toxic chemicals
Yep Yepl
@@johnseppethe2nd2 There is usually a biomagnification/accumulation of pollutants, especially mercury. Generally, smaller fish have less mercury and larger fish like swordfish have massive amounts.
Hadn't thought of that! Good point.
As a biochemist I see a big flaw of these advanced types of “synthetically” grown foods. They lack a significant part of nutrients: minerals.
In farming minerals come from the soil (if eliminated e.g. in vertical farming) the water would need to provide these. Similarly with meat minerals are passed along in the food chain. So for lab grown meat the minerals would need to be provided in media. However isolating these minerals before to optimally distribute them in water/media is very inefficient and starts to compete with other industries that actually need those minerals in pure form.
The impact of this on nutrition probably depends on how much of the diet is replaced by lab-grown meat as well as the variety of the rest of the diet, right? Most minerals are only needed in trace amounts, and even people who eat little meat rarely lack most of them (admittedly with the relatively common exceptions of iron and zinc). It may not be a significant problem.
Unless I misunderstood and you're talking about lab-grown food in a much broader context - I'm admittedly not familiar with a push to replace anything but meat, so that's why I assumed, but if so, your point makes sense.
@@amoriicovers The micronutrients and minerals do not effect just nutrition, but also effect flavor. Even if there are other ways to get those nutrients, a healthy diet should not require a healthy person to take additional supplements. If the diet is 100% lab grown (which seems to be the goal many companies aspire to) then they must be a substitute for traditionally farmed and/or hunted products.
@Jason Hardin You're right about magnesium deficiency (both clinical and sub-clinical!). Although the idea the average person is very deficient in virtually all micronutrients is quite startling. Would you have a source for that? I'd be really interested to read more.
Getting back to my point, though, if most people are deficient in all micronutrients that signals a problem with the entirety of their diet. As I said before, the primary source of many dietary minerals isn't meats - legumes and nuts, for example, are far richer sources of magnesium than meat is; the low concentration of those in the typical Western-pattern diet is the major driver of deficiency.
Unless a significant portion of the diet is being replaced by lab-grown foods (i.e., not just meat or some meats), it seems unlikely to make a significant difference to nutrition - or, at least, a difference that couldn't be relatively easy to account for by eating a more balanced or nutritious diet overall, which we should already be aiming for.
@@TheGecko26 This is a good point! Flavour is definitely a factor to take into consideration. I think, regardless of the apparent goals of companies, it would be extremely difficult to completely eliminate conventional farming/hunting as a source of food - and I certainly hope it doesn't happen! But I can see how technologies like this could reduce the burden of some specific practices that are currently unsustainable.
@Jason Hardin No disrespect intended to you and the universe, but the Impossible Burgers in my refrigerator beg to differ. 🍔 😸
Let’s get this going! I love salmon. If we can grow salmon without having to use farms, I’m all for it!
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woah what happened here
It's really interesting how stem cell technology is also stepping to cater the global needs of food. Thank you for this knowledge!
Soylent green
Global food problems come from logistics, not really because of supply.
@@mateobaysa2055 gimme the sweet sweet mystery protein
@@mateobaysa2055 Maybe if people weren't so squeamish, and current human bodies weren't so polluted, like, it's a pretty sound solution. Just don't lie to people about it like some Hannibal shit.
I know that lab-grown meat is unfortunately made from unborn calves... not sure if fish is different.
contaminated fish is a problem. Mercury PCBs, PBDEs, dioxins, and chlorinated pesticides. Its an issue that most people overlook. Talking about it will surely help the lab grown industry
Not to mention plastics that end up in fish due to our pollution and it comes back onto our plates.
@@leehongjin6884 so when it’s “lab grown,” makes this sound more appetizing?
@@yourlocalbluntfriend4136 having worked in a cellular biology lab, yes, lab-grown meat does sound more appetizing. Science labs are nothing like what they were in the '50s, or what pop-culture fiction makes them out to be. Caring for cells, like these salmon muscle cells, is not easy, all conditions must be kept under absolute control with rigid adherence to carefully developed (and changed if any problems are found) procedures. One wrong sneeze and you can kill your whole cell line with just a little stray bacteria, one tiny impurity and the broth you're rasing you cells in will kill them (since they don't have a liver or kidneys to deal with any toxins, no immune system to kill invading microbes, and none of the other systems the body uses to keep itself in a healthy balance). Meat grown in the lab physically would never come in contact with the microplastics saturating the oceans, no mercury contaminants from their food, no chance of parasites, bacteria, viruses, or other contaminants. The only things they'd touch would be exactly what they need to survive. Anything that would be harmful to us humans would instantly kill these fragile fish cells, so you can't do anything else but use stuff that is safe for humans to make this lab-grown meat.
It's unfortunate that there is so much scaremongering about science. In the past great wrongs were committed, but we are far more careful now with more oversight than ever before. Scientists are people too who worry about the same things non-scientists do, we watch the same movies, worry about the same possibilities, and work hard to prevent science fiction nightmares from happening. Unfortunately we have some evil corporations like Monsanto out there who push the use of their dubious chemical Roundup (in high doses, say by people working directly with the herbicide, the actual food which is modified to be immune to the herbicide is safe), but there is nothing inherantly evil about things that are genetically modified or lab-cultured.
Salmon doesn't contain a very high concentration of mercury. Tuna does.
@@yourlocalbluntfriend4136 it might not sound appetizing but it sure is a good thing to try and accomplish, at the end of the day none of us want the food we love to disappear.
I can't wait for this! I would love to stop eating fish and meat for good some day. I don't eat it a lot, but some times you just get the craving for it. I am eating salmon right now, and looked for alternatives and came across this video that way
Cheaper,healthier,better for the environment.
Go science.
100% support. I absolutely love eating fish. However, I think we need to be environmentally responsible about how we are consuming the resources we have. It's not fair of us to ruin the ecosystem in order to feed ourselves. Nor is it right to keep up the type of farming practices we have. Not just for fish, but all meats. The way I see it, it's just plain immoral to raise fish, cows, chickens, pigs, and so on in these overcrowded pens where they are subjected to damage on all fronts. If we have the technology to create cell-cultured meat, then we definitely should be having it as a staple in our diet.
I don't think there is anything wrong with killing animals and consuming them. But it becomes immoral when those animals are suffering. I think cell-cultured meat would be a wonderful compromise. The only thing is that it really does need to become an affordable option. Because that's one of our problem as human beings. Our entire lives are dictated (to an extent) by money. It can't just be a novelty for the rich or a fad. It needs to be at a point where it's easily obtainable and the main option people chose.
Also, the marketing on this need to change. I bet the reason why only 19% of their survey had people express interest is because of the phrase "cell-cultured." Semiotically, it invokes all of the wrong imagery. It makes people think of a creepy, sterile lab. Or, it cinjures up nothing at all; and as well all know -- people are naturally afraid of what they don't understand. Versus, if I say "salmon," you all will instantly think of things like sushi, salt crust bake, campfires, poke on the beach, and so on. You can smell it through your memories and it makes you hungry. You even start to remember places and people you've spent time with. The term "cell-cultured" doesn't have that same familiar tie in with memories. To me, it reminds me of a scene in Westworld and seventh grade biology class. So they really need to start selling the product as being something intuitively mouthwatering and delicious versus something you should try because it's good for the environment.
Look is United States offshore farmed oyster. They are actually rehabbing habitats off the east coast. I would thoroughly cook any from the south though. One of the few food that are actually good for the planet. US ocean farmed, not Chinese.
A quarter of the terms and conditions I see
I think the nature of capitalism is what makes these types of markets to be so bad. Those men in the 1800s didn't see salmon and think " hey we could use this to feed more people " they only taught about making money. Imagine if people only killed what they were going to eat? This unhealthy consumption and animal abuse is brought uppon by capitalism. If salmon wasn't lucrative it would be dropped in an instant.
So you’re vegan then?
Not fair to what? The environment isn't a person.
This can be HUGE. It would reduce our produce carbon footprint by alot, and less animals farmed in mass to feed people.
This is more in the extremely long term, probably about 20-30 yrs then thus might be widely accepted cuz remember that shit always be complicated
Will it though? What is the carbon footprint of the process?
Hell no who the hell wants to eat fake meat/ fish no nutrients whatsoever. You’re eating GMOS in mass you will get cancer before any of the real meat eaters. You’re misinformed
@@ferbious7258 this will probably increase our population and more food resources.
But will be the adverse side affects of eating non organic food?
I have more questions than opinions. The first one was, how does it takes being cooked? It looks very convincing in it’s raw state, but it makes me wonder how different would it be cooked.
Since its all meat no skin i guess delicately
They stated that this product is specifically made for eating raw. I'd assume they would have to produce a different version that is specifically for cooking.
This will hopefully be better for nature, but it won't be (or never will be) better than nature.
I am all for this direction of development. I'd be curious though how changing the "feed" for the cell cultures would affect the flavor of the fish. Farmed vs wild varieties have a noticeably different flavor which, as far as I understand, is largely impacted by diet.
In my completely unqualified opinion, I don’t think that would change the taste much. My guess is that because cells don’t feed like large multicellular creatures do, like a stomach, a liver or “bloodline” to filter toxins.
Granted tho, I might just be thinking in terms of tasting good or bad, not just different like you put it
I used to work in drug transport cell culture. This is exactly how we grow liver and kidney cells. I would LOVE to work in a lab like this. It would be a dream!
It sounds amazing, doesn't it! I worked in a lab working with prostate cancer cells more than a decade ago, and seeing this makes me wonder how things have changed with the new stuff available for cell culturing. I miss being in the lab.
Considering much of the fresh salmon I've purchased at grocery stores has had tiny worms in it, I would love to eat lab grown salmon! There would definitely be no worms, which is a big plus in my book!
We are eating unhealthy, parasite ridden fish raw more and more often.
I mean If the texture and taste is successfully recreated, I’d have no complaints, I would definitely eat lab grown fish and meat.
@@n0rmal953 you know that the flash freezing done to salmon kills the parasites, right?
Shit they got lab worms in those b
@@maxmexmixbruh8695 many restaurants don’t do this
@@aoe9015 the FDA requires fish sold for raw consumption be frozen at least for a certain period of time to kill parasites
The Amino Acid profile of cultured meat salmon need to match with the regular salmon for approvals, and the fat deposition needs to have non-interfering Metabolic markers that doesn't act as precursor to degenerative diseases.
I love the difference between what comments you get when you set the filter to “newest first”
This type of tech is huge for the planet in so many ways. We need to massively step up production
Maybe, we have no idea what kind of emissions per pound of meat yet 🤷 it could be way worse who knows
Nothing beats the original
@@adyanman6037 sometimes we have to find another way and compromise to minimize long term consequences. No one is saying that real salmon doesn't taste better.
@@adyanman6037 for now
That's what people said about GMOs as well, look how wrong that turned out. People are too quick to embrace the latest thing, before real research has been done.
I'd just like to say as people, we think that every resource is limitless. It's a shame that we have to figure everything out the hard way, when it's already nearly depleted.
Thanks past people 🙄
Yeah, I think the problem comes from our lifespans and survival instincts. It's not depleting in my lifetime so I'm good and my future will have as much as I can gather so they'll be in a better position to survive. But eventually, a generation wont and that's what we don't think about. It's like we're playing checkers when we should be playing chess.
False supply and demand. Back before they try to sell lobster as some "fine dining", its "peasant food".
How many times have we heard that before, and it never came to pass?
There are always people who know a resource is not limitless. They just tell lies so they can capitalize on the resource and make huge profits.
Just heard an interview with the founders on a Seattle news radio station. They said they originally harvested cells from one brave Salmon over 3 years ago!! Pretty incredible
I love salmon but knowing about the parasites is a real turn off from eating it often. I'm definitely open to giving lab grown salmon and other meat a try
parasites ? lol...
The big question I have about lab grown fish and meats is quality.
The difference between some random beef steak and a really healthy, grass fed, grown up with its mother beef steak is absolutely wild. It's how I personally handle meat, I eat less of it but when I do I try to get some proper high quality stuff.
If these lab grown bits of meat are able to match the "lower" quality meat, then there's an economic advantage but when you're able to match the high quality, then there's no reason to have actual cows anymore and then you "solved" the ecological problem as well because people will actually choose it over what they perceive to be "proper" meat. And even then you'll have purist that will only go for real beef for some reason.
I an incredibly excited for this because it means that we can still eat meat and put it in our food without killing the planet.
Eating animals full of syress, adrenaline, hormones, anribiotics, pus and diseases is never healthy. That is what the market and those industries are making you believe...
@@mxlumx123 I'm not american or in some other country where that shit is common place and even here I dodge most meat. When I'm talking about quality beef I mean straight from a farmer that lives about 1 km away from me where the calfs grow up alongside their cows, feast on the grass and herbs of the mountains over the summer and then get butchered right up there, at which point I will buy a bunch of absolutely excellent meat. That is precisely what I mean when I talk about buying less meat but some of which I know where it's from and is of exquisite quality
I find lab meat interesting, but I definetly prefer eating the high quality meat than eating lab meat. I'm very curious on how lab meat is going to turn out, so I dont really have many comments about this matter. I would definetly prefer to eat fish meat that came from captivity though.
@gone why? just curious…
I mean, from this video they're clearly going after the high end market first. Trying to compete against raw salmon used in sushi means that you're relying almost entirely on the quality of the ingredients and the skill of the chef to not degrade those ingredients. If they were going after frozen fried fish fillets it'd be way easier, but also cost prohibitive. If they can actually replicate high quality raw salmon they would be able to compete at the high end where there are larger margins, their higher profits, which would allow them to scale to the point where they can then bring the manufacturing price down. Definitely the long hard road, but if they can pull it off there'd be a ton of gold at the end of that rainbow.
Interesting way to stop the killings ofanimal and reduce the enviromental impact and carbot footprint, if this new tech works on fish cells pretty sure can work on cow, chicken, pig cells too and eventually really stop the consuming of animals all together and stop damaging the earth and air
It has indeed been done with other meats, there is one company that produced chicken meat from a cell for a chicken feather. We definitely need this technology to be developed way quicker for environmental reasons and ethical ones too (but that’s a more difficult conversation with different viewpoints). We have come a long way with many faux meats made from plants as well, some are amazing and some aren’t. Hopefully more people will embrace faux meats as the quality improves across brands and as they become more affordable and available. There some impressive faux meats from a brand called Happy Veggie World.
I agree with you but I could never have cell made milk but I want a better earth
They've grown lab grown beef before. It was small, but it was impressive
@Tony Why are you acting as if it’s a bad thing that scientists have invented this? Most people like meat, and won’t give it up. That’s just a fact, coming from someone who was happily vegetarian for 3 years. There are also clear health benefits to having meats in our diet. This is a sustainable way to produce meat that has the added benefit of being cruelty free.
@Tony No, the next step was whatever I chose it to be, and I had my reason for making said choice.
That’s just incorrect. Meat isn’t inherently bad for you, just as plants aren’t inherently good for you. It’s all about moderation. Most people eat too much meat, but the meat itself isn’t the issue.
People like you are exactly the reason that people have such a negative perception of vegans / vegetarians.
Fascinating that we can actually do this! Though like they said, it is probably gonna take a LONG time before we actually see this being viable for salmon and other meats
Where do you think the amino acids and proteins come from during their process? Growing cells using stem cells is not a new field and it has been done numerous times. Most of these so-called "humane ways of farming" actually require inhumane tactics to obtain many of the biological macromolecules. For example in the self-grown beef industry, most companies collect proteins and amino acids by harvesting fetal bovine serum (FBS). To collect large amounts of FBS, farmers need to abort a newborn calf to collect it.
Yes, the idea of lab-grown meats has the potential to have lower costs, but it is far from humane.
@@dabidmydarling5398 There are a couple issues with your concerns, firstly FBS is already collected in large quantities as a byproduct of dairy farming and it just goes to waste at present. That is more than enough for the beginnings of an in vitro beef industry.
Secondly, synthetic growth factors and in vitro bioproduction of growth factors are already available for a number of meats, including chicken, which means no need for in vivo growth factors. There aren't actually that many growth factors at play for any individual species, and the same technology used to produce cells is suitable to produce the same cells that create the growth factors in the living animals.
Yes that means it is more complex than simply adding sugars to a tank containing cells and watching them multiply, but farming already involved immensely complex supply chains and the science behind alternative sources of growth factors is extremely promising.
…just wait till the Chinese get started
@@HasFace Lol ik. I'm gonna be honest I posted a copy-paste of this comment around 10 times. I wanted to see how easy it was to spread misinformation and on one comment I got around 10 likes. Ur the first to catch me
@@dabidmydarling5398 is it possible to harvest one animal and then just multiply what was needed ?
Wild Alaskan Salmon is the model of sustainability
Amazing. I cannot wait for this to be accessible for all meats.
You'll be waiting
@@Sandlin22 fine by me. Noone changes the world overnight!
Bro, just go to Taco Bell.
Just eat bugs if you’re willing to be such a obedient bot.
The fact that they won't show the lab is a big red flag.
Nah, they probably just don't want competitors to steal their ideas.
will the muscle respond to electrical stimuli and contract?
Give a man a fish, he eats for the day. Teach a man to fish, he eats forever.
This is all directed towards food supply dependancy.
Forcing people to depend on corporations
I've been itching for this to become available, not just in salmon but all proteins. I'd make the switch overnight if I could.
Flavour though init
Salmon fishing and breeding is sustainable
@Tony why though… literaly what’s the issue you have with fishing
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It's a shillbot.
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Hell no. I'm not eating lab grown salmon while Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates eat real salmon
Nailed it!
I feel like this is going to cause health problems we’re not going to know about until years down the line
That's exactly what it's doing bc it's already happening.
Hey,
I am very excited for this,
this is the future,
gentlemen!
This is great! (I’m doing my phD on stem-cells and also 3D bioprinting of micro-organs).
If we take into consideration the microplastics that are also inside of fish nowadays, the development of lab grown fish will be such a game changer! Hope to see this come to life in the near future 💕
Maybe we should lab grow you aswell
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@@roronoazoro5273 humans are everywhere. No need for lab grown humans. Just let them grow which is actually usefull. Like shown in the video.
@@ILNSuryaChandra organic
How much plastic is used in a lab....how many labels, gloves and masks will be used for sanitary standard compared to the natural process you pop-tart. You're the problem, making it worst while being ignorant in bliss.
I'd love to be able to eat meat without hurting animals and enviroment. ❤
I also don't mind slightly "worse" texture if nutrition value will be the same.
Go science!
Totally agree. However, a lot of people would be laid off from fisheries which is another problem.
@@joemamabidendementia But, they may be able to make their own meat and fish at home, or mass-produce and sell them. It could create a brand new type of business, there are many potential to be creative with this technology.
@@joemamabidendementia Unlikely. There will always be a market for natural meat, they just need to change their marketing and appeal.
@Daniel Pacheco I did. As well as I heard about natural selecction but we still improve in medicine.
just go vegan, it's easier, cheaper and doesn't hurt animals.
Apparently lab grown diamonds are purer than the on that develops under the ground.
And also the hydroponics plants are clean.
I wonder what the research behind this is finding in regards to nutrition. One reason I would be hesitant to adopt this as the new standard for consumption in the future is the possibility of missing out on important amino acids or vitamins etc within the fish that might not be properly recreated.
I mean, just not getting all the toxins from fish would be a nutritional plus. Every nasty shit from all over the world ends up in our oceans, and it agregates and concentrates in predators like the salmon. Even aquacultured salmon are fed fish, so they are also full of heavy metals like mercury and other toxins. The recomendations among most dietary guilines is thus to limit seafood intake to a few times per month.
You do realize that most of those vitamins are in the organs that you already don't eat yes?
@@genericscout5408 Which vitamins are in which organs that I don't eat? I consume cod liver every day for the vitamin A and D.
@@genericscout5408 you do realize its possinle to ask one question without asking a completely different question as well, shuddup
i am very interested in this lab salmon, just in the last 3 years i’ve watched the salmon im buying go from acceptable quality to wondering if it’s even fish, the systems are so run ragged. they’re more in danger than ever
The salmon you buy is the exact same farm raised Salmon as ever. Nothing changed lmao.
The Salmon from 3 years ago is exactly the same… they have had Salmon farms for more than a decade
quit buying it
So you wonder if fish is real fish, but would love to eat fake fish made in a laboratory. Do you, by chance... use a lot of marijuana?
Buy wild caught. I do not buy farm raised fish.
I would honestly really like to try it.
Although right now for me it looks a bit too light and pastel. Real salmon is a bit translucent, and this looks compleately opaque.
probably due to iron oxidising in seawater its a little darker red.
@@ANMA133 i think it's actually due to the way the salmon is cultivated, i. Fish they grow like muscles and grow larger over time whereas when it's cultivated the cells have to be grafted manually which results in a different method of growth than in a salmon
agreed. it looks like play-dough.
I'm sure the color is the most important thing. Are you a Democrat? Just guessing.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 color of food is a very important part of eating and if the color isn't right then it might feel odd and in some cases even make it taste differently
MatPat did a very good video about this topic over on food theory about how color of gummy bears affect their perceived taste
This is great! My only concern is how are the amino acids created/farmed, synthesized, and what does that process look like on our environment(is that process sustainable)?
This is a Great idea! I also saw a site that produced cow milk in lab but without a cow. That is also still in process. But I wonder that if we remove our dependence on one source of nature to produce, then it comes to another. Will this type of production cause its own problem? if yes, then what?
>live in the pod, eat the bugs
A lot of people eat salmon for its high Omega-3 which come from algae. So I wonder what the Omega-3 content is and what is the source for it.
They also intake all the chemicals which are used when mass farming so they really don’t have a leg to stand on
It has even more omega 3/6’s than salmon, and in better ratios, extracted from algae, which is from where fish get their omegas
Also, this doesn’t have microplastics or heavy metals like mercury
@@niken538 Do you have a link or a source?
@@Frodojack “Right now our product has slightly less protein than conventionally produced salmon, but a similar fat composition, including levels of healthy omega-3 fatty acids, but none of the heavy metals, microplastics, parasites, or antibiotics found in most salmon,” he details.
“The plant-based scaffolding we provide for the cells to grow on, along with all the necessary nutrients like sugars, amino acids, and fats we deliver in solution, allows for the formation of the complex textures that we’re able to create for all types of sushi products spanning sashimi, nigiri and maki rolls.”
I have to give it to them,
It Looks exquisite, 9/10 for looks,
They say the texture is close & the next step is locking in on the flavor.
This is very intriguing,But I'll be more worried about the nutritional value of it if it's the same as the Original sample
I'd love to try this--it *looks* like salmon. I think that's the big thing holding back lab grown beef or chicken. Luckily salmon like this isn't stringy or anything, so it has a lot going for it
Except Cattle has an extremely high carbon footprint while salmon has very little. The benefits of lab-growing for cattle involves significant reductions in greenhouse emissions while there’s almost none to possibly even more emissions compared to farmed salmon…
@Yve The quality of imitation ground beef available on the market is pretty impressive. From an environmental standpoint, I'm not sure there is much difference between imitation meat and lab grown meat. But even if one is clearly better than the other, I'm sure both those options are better than regular meat.
it is salmon
Not looks like. It *IS* salmon. No kill Salmon 🐟
@@faceoctopus4571 Farmed Salmon has one of the lowest carbon footprints out there. 2.9KG of Carbon dioxide per kilo compared to 30KG+ for Cattle. An electric heater generates about 207g per KWH, so about 14KWH of heating equivalent per KG of farmed salmon. Considering the amount of heat required to grow a kilogram of cells I highly doubt it goes anywhere as low as 14KWH (About 6 hours of running a 2400W heater at 240V 10A).
Anyone who genuinely is concerned about greenhouse emissions would take killing the salmon over wasting energy like this. This is termed in the industry as a “wicked problem”, a genuine multi variable problem that is difficult to solve with simple solutions. While you can solve the issue of ethics, you generate an entirely new issue which may be worse.
A much better idea would be to start lab culture adoption for other inefficient meats like lamb or to scale existing technologies for cattle first so cattle alternatives can reach our supermarkets at a cheaper price than beef.
It’s likely that these scientists know this is highly inefficient, however the meat alternative market is saturated with investment giants (Start-up unicorns) and they just need something different for investors to hop on board.
The difficulty I think would be getting the common folk to get in on this. If we keep calling it " lab grown" it's definitely gonna have an impact on sales. Kinda like how no one wanted eat food made by the Colgate company because people associate with the name with toothpaste.
So in order to get everyday people to eat it you have to disguise what it is using semantics? Sounds awesome lol
@@indianumberonecountry don't have to disguise it just don't make it unappealing ? Good Marketing is an important factor of any sales. Try selling a beverage named corn syrup caramel carbonic acid.
The named canned tuna “chicken of the sea” some people still think it’s chicken. It will be a Mac Donald’s fish nugget in a battered minute. For a limited time introducing the Mac manatee! .
Because IT IS lab grown meat, you meatball!! Why sugarcoat shit to fool people into it. What tf is next!?? What's next!?? Lab grown babies so people who can't have kids feel better!?? They could've been smarter and thought of something better to solve these problems instead of trying to kill us. Lab grown food, pshhh
I would grow my own chickens than eat that crap. Some people will eat anything. Why settle for lab grown when nature does so much better. Just another way to destroy the animal population and later they will move on the human population and it will not end well. The love of money is the root of all evil and no respect for GOD and his creations.
I don't understand what's the Scafoldd part ? Can someone explain it ?
Interesting idea, regarding the carbon footprint, how would it be comparing to salmon farm ?
Thanks for the video !
I rather eat clean lab grown fish then toxic environmental waste farm fish.
I support 110%
Big meat fan and born and raised fisherman. So I love the ocean and will avoid eating purchased fish. I go fishing once or twice a year, eat my catch and appreciate every bite.
So I would love love love to see this on the shelves. Give the planet her chances.
As a Christian, this is the wrong take. But
@@Helljumper7200 those who hold religion hold judgements.
@@Helljumper7200 how is this the wrong take? And what does Christianity have to do with it?
@@sage7970 i believe the church does not have any stance on lab grown meat. So Catholics can partake. It's not aborted cells and it does not mess with natural human lives.
@@MElaughs those who don't follow Jesus will be cast in Hell. I feel sorry for you
I’m in the 19% who can’t wait to try this.
Same. We have to find solutions, this is plausible so I'm *going* to try it when it becomes available.
Same and it looks so good too 😖
So am I. Whoever wouldn't want good healthy fish that is known to be produced asbolutely sustainably?
But given even the FDA is so squeamish about it, I assume it will take one more decade until we have that in Europe.
If these are the smartest people in the world, calling plants meat... We're in trouble as a species
What culture medium was used? If it contains the word bovine, you can guess the ingredients used to grow those cells.
Weird that they don't allow cameras back there. That salmon looks almost too real, and I'm really wondering if this is another Theranos-type situation.
I do wonder what is going on back there.
agreed
A theory someone put here before that the lab doesn’t showcase how they make the lab grown meat is because there are people who want to copy things done in labs, and you don’t even need many people to do it, you just need about TEN people to think this is a good idea to recreate in their garage. So this could be the case, but they deleted it long ago, so they maybe found it wrong.
This is roughly how Dead Rising 1 started.
Problem woth sterile culture systems is the hyginic processing requirements need tons of consumables and overhead that can never beat a non sterile process. There is just no way to scale it up withou scaling the problems with sterile bioreactor culture systems. Keeping a tissue growth sterile for many weeks is challenging and doing that at scale is why the costs are so high. On land intensive fish farming would eliminate the parasite problem and a bit of genetic engineering can get you an optimal salmon. Pretty sure there are already some farmed salmon on the market that do this because it is already cost competitive and doesnt require special regulatory approval.
Could be very useful in space too!
Imagine being able to eat non frozen lab grown meats while living on the Moon or Mars, would certainly be a welcome change of pace from most preserved foods.
As someone in R&D, I love this kind of innovation. Though, I’m not anywhere knowledgeable enough to comment on much, especially in this field (be it the science, regulatory, or other). All I can say is that “this is f*cking cool! Godspeed!”?
If this thing gets approved and easily accessible, I'm all for it. Great job Wildtype!
"We can use cottonseed oil instead!"
That's basically what this is.
If the problem of the salmon farms is that it requires other fish to feed the salmon, I think the video should explore where does the "nutrient bath" comes from? Does that aminoacids came from plants, or from captured fish?
There was a video a couple years ago for lab grown beef too. The amount of people who are willing to try lab grown meat is actually much lower than I thought. I'd definitely be willing to try but I do understand it's important to let research take its time too - these things can't be rushed if we want the best results
Bigger issue for me is that it's still super expensive. If they make it CHEAPER then they will change the world.
@@K0sm1cKid If it's cheaper then it will be worse then the fish we have now
@@sladejosephwilson2300 all these people want to pay 12x for a subpar product because the government is telling them ‘earth on fire’ instead of just going to their local river and catching 2 fish to feed their family. Unreal levels of ignorance imo
@@indianumberonecountry Some people still fish but, you are right. Most people are lazy
"A couple years ago" is a long time in the world of fake meat. A few years ago, in 2019, Impossible Foods was worth $2 billion. Today, the company's worth $10 billion. 🤔
the sushi chef's knife skill is very questionable lol
He was probably told to cut super slow for the video. That can probably throw him off.
@@nocause5395 possibly
Its sad to see big corporations ruin the environment. The world we live in, already ruined before we were even born.
Very ambitious concept, but very presumptuous that we could create something as perfectly balanced as natural salmon.
To quote Ian Malcolm: "They were so preoccupied with whether they could they didn't stop to think of they should."
Of course nature will always be at the top of perfection we are looking for alternatives here
One thing that is almost always overlooked is nutrient density and if it is close to the original and how much of it is bioavailable.
Bioavailability is rarely the issue when dealing with cultured meats. Plant-based meat substitutes run into the ALA conversion ratio issue far more than cultured animal cells.
That would be interesting to know but the flip side is the fish isn't going to have mercury or micro-plastics
@@RickRamoscom That's also a great point!
What do the cells eat while growing and how do you mine it. Break down the logistics and environmental impact of the nutrients needed for the culture. Nothing grows without resource input.
They mentioned this in the video- amino acids and sugar
@@Meerkat628 I'm curious where you found this information. Are you a scientist?
@@Meerkat628 ironically the lab plastics will just end up creating more microplastics in the environment which real fish would eat...
@@gone9820 just googled lab grown meat climate change, first thing "Lab grown meat could cut down greenhouse gas emissions by 96% according to Oxford. Switching to lab grown meat can cut our water consumption between 82 and 96%, depending on the animal. Animal rights are protected as animal meats are not mass produced. Farm space is saved with less live animals overall."
nice attempt at lying, as everything says that it will actually reduce climate change.
@@gone9820 also, nuclear energy IS safer than fossil fuels. If you want to compare damage to damage, nuclear waste is significantly less risky than the actual pollution we accept from fossil fuels right now. If you instead compare best case scenarios, fossil fuels still are worse. Another chernobyl sounds terrible until you remember how terrible another Deepwater horizon or BP spill would be. Nuclear energy is absolutely a good thing relative to what we've got.
I just want to know what kind of knife that chef is using.
Lab grown meat sounds like a good idea given it is nutritionally identical to the real thing. Though tbh I'm more worried about pigs and cows getting mass killed. But it would be great to grow meat without having any animals killed
Who else is watching this at 3AM and have school/work in the morning ?
I understand the thought that this may allow salmon population to increase, but I argue that over time, this may just allow us to entirely ignore ecosystems at a certain point, we won't need an ecosystem running anymore to have this kind of food. The worst part about this kind of society is that I don't know if this is a big win or loss for humanity.
I just thought about it, and you make a really good point. If we don't need the environment, then why preserve it? That's pretty scary.
@@SwarumtheForum Because tourism and PR.
@@SwarumtheForum because they don't exist for human purpose. They just exist to exist. They do not need to vanish just because the ecosystem does not benefit us human.
That is definitely a potential unintended consequence that concerns me, without serious societal level changes unfortunately there would probably have to be some sort of profit motive in place to protect those ecosystems, but if we reach the tipping point where a lab grown version becomes the more affordable option it wouldn't surprise me if the wild option become a luxury product in time and if done right that could be used to ensure there is motivation to preserve those ecosystems and put them in a better situation than they are now even if still not ideal.
@@SwarumtheForum now you understand the truth. The environment holds no value we don't put on it. The modern worship the Earth movement hypes things up and exxagerates things in order to evoke an emotional response and get the cash flowing.
I want to try this right now it seems so cool
Does anybody know what scaffolding they are using? Are they ECMs?
And then they ask why there's so much cancer
would the nutrient content be the same as real salmon? Since i know that many fake beef (such as impossible meat or beyond meat) are made with the nutrients in mind too
@Donald Morris oh i see ok that makes sense, thanjs
@Donald Morris agreed
@Donald Morris Well they've already had lab grown hearts and organs of animals in labs for years, there was even a lab grown trachea transplant on a human
No access to see the laboratory where this “salmon” is grown? It does not inspire confidence. Huge red flag when a laboratory isn’t transparent.
I would be curious to know where the amino acids come from that are used to grow these salmon meat.
As someone who loves both meat and animals, I'd love for this type of thing to become viable.
You love meat eh
There's no way you can love animals and eat meat at the same time like you can't be humanist and kill humans.
@Tony
This is lab meat.
You're obviously repeating a line you were told to say, regardless of the fact that it is a lie. You are not an animal lover, you a moral narcissist. Go away and let us solve the problem you have done nothing to fix your entire pontificating hippie life
Ah, looks like the vegan psychologists have invaded the comment section.
Agree with you! There's no shame in switching to vegan/vegetarian things when you actually like them.
🤣😂They said, “sorry but you can’t come in to see our experiment, “ and then he comes out with a white board, “I went ahead and colored you some pictures instead”! 😂🤣😂
I’d be beyond happy with this if this becomes more advanced and popular in the future! As someone who wants to swap my meats out with fish and shell fish due to a majority of reasons this would be evolutionary because then it’d erase even the risks with fish and we’d no longer have to kill anything to eat it anymore. Then maybe we can work on other meats!
does it still have the same nutritional value?
I don’t really wanna eat lab grown fish because it just doesn’t seem right.
Its just regular fish, most of the vegetables and bread you eat is genetically modified so....
This is a fantastic idea, a lot of sustainable options have a higher cost yet there is still a market for it. I'd love to try it!
‘A higher cost’ its like 12x more expensive lol
Enjoy all the chemicals and toxins they pump into “lab grown” salmon.
@@indianumberonecountryfor now, like anything once it gains traction it would go down. I mean there's nothing wrong with options
Clan we do this with tuna and eliminate the mercury issue?
I cant wait any longer. When is it gonna be out? It needs to be out in all supermarket affordably now!
I mean it is a massive step forward, don’t get me wrong, but just by watching the video I can see it doesn’t look quite right, there’s a certain translucency that isn’t there which is probably down to oil content and cell density. Also the way the sliced meat moved and bent looked off. All that on top of the comments that the flavour and texture isn’t quite right will make the squeamish turn it down. I would love to try it however and really hope lab meats take off and are actually competitive price wise when they come to market. I’m more on the geek and environmental side for why I want lab meats so I really feel like it’s tech countries should really be pushing for! I’m pretty certain there will be a day, probably after my time, where everyone will grow their own meats at home!
I agree with you but remember that this is just the start of it. Also, we do not know how the texture looks when cooked..we were only shown the raw version. Either way its benefits still outweigh the environmentally detrimental ways of the present.
@@faye7199 oh 100%, lab grown meat is the way forward! I’ve been following it for about 15 years! Waiting for it to come to market! This is definitely the closest to the market of any I know of. But people are going to be squeamish about lab meats and more so with fish variants, so they need to make sure when they fully release it that they just smooth over the rough edges.
@@tgoddard1988 What i believe is that if people are okay with eating massive burgers dripping yellow cheese, and giant concoctions of ice cream with a bucket of chocolate, then they can deal with this:) I’ve never tried either but they look awful. It’s nice to see how supportive you are with your consistence track on their progress.
@@faye7199 unfortunately your comparison between fast food and this tech isn’t one most people share, people see lab meats as “dangerous mad science”, this is mostly down to the types of idiots who believe in fake news and themselves spread misinformation. And if you’ve never eaten hamburgers or ice cream then you are missing out on life, but each to their own I guess. It’s not this specific company I’ve been following for so long, lab grown meats have been in the works since the 70’s, it’s only just in the past 10 years they’ve been able to make any real headway due to advancements in science and greater public awareness in the growing issues surrounding farmed meats, unfortunately even that is being held back by misinformation. I’ve heard so many people come back against it saying you can’t trust unnatural lab grown/ made products, then linking them to videos about how paracetamol or vanilla essence is made. Hint: neither of them are natural! Lol
@@tgoddard1988 actually in some vanilla essence there might be a beavers "balls" in it
This might honestly be the key to being able to consume taboo meats from other cultures without the baggage people throw at them.
Imagine being able to consume canine meat without the backlash from people because of how it's harvested. Wild game that might be prone to viruses in the wild, could now be developed in sterile environments, free from those concerns. It's mindblowing the doors this could open. 🤯
I'd 100% eat dog or cat.
Exactly
I'd 100% eat human meat
@@Aeybiseediy No deadly viruses 👌
@@Aeybiseediy You haven't yet?
Well done 👍
Salmon is my favorite fish and this seems like a much better alternative. You could get the highest quality cells and the highest quality repeatable flavor and consistency
oh god, thank you for our scientists.
@懐かしい | Natsukashii without scientisits the world wouldnt be where it is today
what are the health concerns for this? how healthy is it? is it made with oils and stabilizers? any long term risks from regular consumption?
Wild salmon would always be superior
@@gabbar51ngh superior doesnt mean the best
@@jamespradel7918 in terms of nutrition it is.
@@gabbar51ngh there is no denying to that but for sustainability and environmental reasons, I think the better option will be the latter
@@jamespradel7918 .... Superior means.... Above all so... That means... The best... Dumbass
2:55 if its still in development then it should be easy to show, I mean they have grown it right? then whats the hold up. or is it cause its gonna be mcd pink sludge all over again?
im still hesitant in regards to anything metaphysical. it might totally be the case that for the animal/plant its important to have some sort of consciouss experience to actually be suitable as a healthy food, even if you cant really tell it apart on a „material“ level. while the growing cells in the lab are also part of our whole consciousness just like anything there is, their new „experience“/situation is actually vastly different from what they naturally evolved to experience, hence being of a lower energy or value of some sort.
yet maybe its not a big deal at all, who knows. just random thoughts.
I'd invest, but I can't wait decades.... I also like the idea of urban created food (vertical farms, lab cultured meats, etc.). It keeps things local, and the product fresher as it is literally grown within the community.
Imagine being from the same school of thought that destroyed traditional american values like farming and community in exchange for cities and fossil fuels, then you want to take it back 100+ years later. Thanks ‘science’ 😂😂😂
As a Chef with over 22 years of experience, I fully support this.
I look forward to being able to use this type of products.
Why don't you try to use shit?
@@josealmeida76 because people like you can’t afford to buy it.
I fully support this, but at the same time, im worried about the future since companies will always find a way to reduce costs, which means these lab-grown meat products might be one of those products where it becomes dangerous to consume.
as long as it possibly decreases price or keeps it the same thats cool. i can also see them charging double due to the hype