The Dunblane Massacre: A Nation Shattered, a Legacy Forever Remembered
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How this vile and despicable monster was not stopped before this happened is beyond me.
One of the most horrific tragedies in the history of the UK, so many victims especially children is so vile and reprehensible, it makes me tear up completely. Peace upon all the victims and survivors, vaya con Dios y en paz descansen. I cannot comprehend how any adult could ever want to hurt children for any reason. An appropriate name for a flower, innocence, which was stolen from them, too early for so many. 😢😪
Very nicely put.
Most fatherless men do not become murderers, but I notice that in many or most cases, the murderers are fatherless.
One can argue that a bad father can have similar catastrophic results.
That supports the fact that a normal and strong man should always be present on growing children, and we, as men, must learn a lot from documentaries like this.
Thank you for uploading.
The only 'lack' that i had from not having a father was not knowing how to shave properly. To this day my facial hair growing in all directions. However, you can't miss a 3rd arm, if you've never had one. Regardless, I turned out completely -insane- sane. It's all about choices, if you play the victim you will always seek social sympathy, or if you can't get that, you'll be bent a revenge and hate against society. I am not a victim, less the aspect of taxes!
i wouldnt say that it has to do with a father being present or not, but moreso with how the parent(s) are. if you have abusive and/or manipulative parents, youre going to unconsciously pick up their behaviors and exhibit them as you learned from the parent(s)
Look at Ed Kemper. His only parent was his mother and she pretty much made him into a serial killer. So it is more a case of the parent you have got rather than the one you haven't. Eventually Ed realised all this and politely handed himself in.
It says "Thomas Hamilton grew up with his mother's step parents, who legally adopted him as their own". He believed they WERE his biolohical parents until he was 22. So he clearly HAD a father while he was growing up. So not sure what your point is?
@@julierobinson3633good point
This is eerily similar to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in 2012. 26 victims with 20 of them being ages 6 and 7 years old. Obviously, different circumstances leading up to and surrounding the shooting but either way, i just can't wrap my head around how someone, a supposed human being can even think about hurting a child, let alone something like this. 😞
I know what you mean. Completely inexcusable actions by disgraceful individuals.
The sickest people always cry victim. I'm innocent because I'm the victim of my actions.
From an outside perspective that's true, but the perp sees it very differently
@@AwesomeAngryBiker they see their actions as being "fair" in their eyes (when obvs they are not) and therefore they shouldn't suffer any consequences (so twisted). Aileen Wuornos always claimed self-defence for the people she offed.
@@Sassymouse88sociopaths and psychopaths are narcissists. They are victims in their minds
7:28 narcissistic psychopathic incell. Take your pick 😢
No matter what I can always defend protecting my family from a lunatic and anyone else wanting to do harm. This is sad and horrific but I can still defend the ability to protect my family.
I agree. If I were an American citizen, I would be VERY much in favour of the right to bear arms.
You DO know that statistically kids are far more likely to be killed by their parents' guns than are ever saved by them, right?
1. They were in school, it is highly unlikely you would have been there to defend anyone.
2. What kind of place do you live in that you have to be armed "for protection"?
3. An armed populace is a murdering populace, America proves that multiple times a year.
Except that owning a gun doesn’t protect your children when they are in school.
And having more guns than citizens makes it very easy for those wishing to carry out these atrocities to do so.
This was a tough one, and I sat through your Nazi camp guard series, as well as the vids on Holly Wells/Jessica Chapman, Fred and Rose West, and James Bulger. But thanks for posting it.
Those kids at Dunblane and Gwen Mayor were twenty times the person Thomas Hamilton ever was.
when you read the letters in the accent, it makes me chuckle 😃 my favourite channel at the moment 🤘 keep up the great content mate
I feel it sets me apart from others. More like a traditional storyteller.
@@DiD86 certainly does, your different in The way you tell the story, nice for a change 👍
I'm just not sure chuckling was appropriate anywhere in this story. It felt jarring to me you putting on the Scots accent in a video of this type. I know you didn't mean any disrespect, but some tragedies are just too terrible and perhaps too recent for that.
I was 18 when this happened. I remember it was all over the news, as Scotland (and the UK in general) was seen as a safe country.
To me? This was the very 1st school massacre that truly rocked my innocent mind to it's very core. This was before Columbine. All so sad. Those poor children. 😞 😢
Massachusetts USA
Remember it only too well. I was year six at a primary school in North Yorkshire at the time of that and our headmaster was in bits in the next days assembly. He knew full well it could of been us in his school. Just like dunblame, we had no security and nothing to protect us from intruders like that.
Thank you.
Yes, this would be a shock in a country where there's low gun violence, unlike here in America, where we have a mass shooting every other day. But of course, we pass out guns here in the United States like Halloween candy🍬🍬🍬
Indeed…
Was going to make a similar comment. To the UK, this is a major historical event. To the US, it's practically a Tuesday afternoon.
Yeah nevermind the fact that the majority of gun violence in the United States are of people shooting people in self defense
I'm so so so glad I don't live in America I'm sure your a good person but it's a terrible terrible place the usa 40 percent obesity and young people can own guns before having sex thus children are gun owners you know it never happened again in the UK we banned handguns and it never again happened
@jaybarnes6736 say what want about America, but I'm sure that sometime in the 20th century, your country came this close to speaking a language your country's people didn't want to.
16:03 sadly most safeguarding came after Victoria k.
I used to serve him and his mother tea every Saturday in the shop I worked in, never could I imagine that he would come to the town I lived and worked in and create such horror. To all the children and Miss Mayor with a special mention for little Sophie and her father. RIP❤And to Andy and Jamie for putting us back on the map for something so positive 🥇🏆🎾🏴❤️
Got a good laugh when you read letters in a Scottish accent, great accent, BTW. Hearing about this brings the Sandy Hook massacre in the US to mind, and also I have a nephew and niece, as well as future nieces and nephews around the ages of the kids. Keep up the incredible work.
Thomas Hamilton did have to answer to his crimes to almighty God
When Hamilton committed unspeakable acts of evil on children Hamilton chose to descend down to Hell for unspeakable punishment that human minds can not imagine
Maybe he didn’t believe in god.
I don’t either. So who do I answer to?
Heartbreaking 💔😪💔
I remember when this happened. My dad had just died a week before and I was in the US Navy. I was living in Gaithersburg, MD at the time, and working at NNMC Bethesda, MD.
My condolences for your dad.
Interesting that he grew up believing that his mother was his sister. The same as Ted Bundy
Also the same as Jack Nicholson and probably many others. In the days when people had big families it was a quiet way to cover up the shame of an elder teenage daughter getting pregnant. The baby was just added on to the family as the youngest 'sibling'...
You have an amazing way of telling us such offal stories, my friend! so tragic.. I live in the United States, so any given day we send our innocent children to school where they can be initiated by some triggered white dude..
Doesn’t bear thinking about, does it?
@DiD86 White dudes here cate more about guns than children's lives.. it's pathetic
Remember tennis champ Andrew Murray was one of the kids there , he was able to hide.
I go through there on the train, it’s such a quiet small place, just a little village type place
This is one of the worst things ive ever heard about. I found it profoundly distressing , especially as my step daughter is the same age as the victims. Ive heard dunblane massacre mentioned before but never knew what it was all about. Chilling and upsetting. Will certainly be giving my little one an extra big cuddle before bed tonight . Theres some very messed up individuals in this world .
Absolutely heartbreaking. Those poor little children and their teachers. Very, very sad. Thanks for the video.
37! Scary! You haven't got your knees brown yet.... It only gets better I tell you.
Thanks for the docs.
16:47 definitely an incell
The only good thing is, that today, he'd have been found out sooner.
Youd like to think so, but doesnt seem that way of late
I remember that front page with all their little faces staring out. Xxx ❤️
You do good work.
Same. Awful tragedy.
Thank you.
This is one of those tragedies where everyone knows exactly where they were when they heard the news. I was in a sports shop in Northwich, Cheshire when reports began to filter through on the radio. Appalling!!
i don't know where i was.
I had just started my shift in the booking office at a central London tube station when rumours started to circulate and another member of staff went out and bought two copies of the London Evening Standard. A couple of years beforehand we had had a fallen scout master work in the office, he was a thouroughly unpleasant character and there was general rejoicing when he left. Our manager was complicit in ensuring that this person could never return.
My best friend's Dad worked for Falkirk Council clearing council houses after a tenant moved/was evicted/whatever. As Falkirk was a different council district, they sent guys over to the gym to clean it only to knock it down after. To this day, I dont think he's ever spoken about it. I met Victoria Clydesdale once when I was a young girl (I was about twice her age, I think). Irene was my aunt's best friend and also passed a while back. As did Charlie's other daughter whilst on holiday. Thoughts are always with them all.
I can well imagine why he didn’t want to speak on it. I bet the place was eerie given what had just happened.
I weep at these discoveries.
I was at college doing work experience when this happened
I was 9 at the time.
@@DiD86I was 20. We both remember it and it was awful
Why didn’t anyone call the police to investigate him about his actions with the children before this happened? This could’ve been avoided entirely! So many innocent children gone is horrific 😢 I can’t even begin to imagine how much pain those parents have gone through.
I suppose perhaps the awareness of wrong ‘uns wasn’t nearly as widespread as it is today but then again it doesn’t make your point any less valid. It is a BLOODY GOOD question!
Next, Colonia Dignidad
It’s on the list.
@@DiD86 Thank
Will never understand how people who are supposed to be smart enough to run a country believe that outlawing something will prevent crimes from happening. We had a period in our country when the leaders and bleeding hearts thought that outlawing alcohol was going to be a deterrent to drinking. Was called the Volstead Act or 18th Amendment, more commonly known as Prohibition. You may have heard of it. That turned out to be quite the success story didn't it?
Another well told story about a tragic event, DiD. 👍🍻
I remember this so well! It was horrifying!!!
P.s welcome to the 37 club..... Getting scarily close to 40!!! 😱
I remember being in Newcastle at a neurology charity event, to launch a specialist nurse scheme to improve care quality for patients with epilepsy. The horrific events in Dunblane forced their way to the top of lunchtime news, and only after returning did the shocking mayhem become clear. May the souls of those whose lives were taken so swiftly and violently rest in peace.
About six years after it, I went into the Mitchell Library and read The Cullen Report. It makes for unhappy reading. One strange fact never mentioned was that he had took a great deal of time loading his extended magazines for his Browning pistols. The bottom seven rounds were home made, cast lead bullets. Above those were semi wad-cutters these have exposed lead tips meant to increase expansion. The last, or first rounds in the magazine were store bought full metal jacket 9mm. The thinking was that the pistol would cycle the store bought rounds flawlessly, then as the pistol heated up it would chamber and fire the less reliable ammunition. Each magazine had two bands of coloured insulating tape on the top and bottom. This was meant to aid his identification of them in his kit bag and which end was to feed into the pistol. He was calculated in the extreme. Other things I read, I cannot bring myself to type. I’m now 52 and I sat and cried reading the two volumes back then. The term “wicked” is used to describe cruel pointless behaviour. This was a wicked, wicked act by a coward and a pedophile.
Jesus! That’s dark beyond dark!
@@DiD86He would take the kids to Loch Lomond “camping”, get them all soaking wet and have them huddle round a fire while he talked about the MG42 used in “Aliens” and how it had been modified. I can’t watch that film without thinking of him. The Cullen Report is strong stuff! The thing about the magazines never appeared anywhere else. A methodical killer.
This hits close to home... I'm from Port Arthur Tasmania... Yeah you've no doubt heard about the massacre there.. I remember that shit like it was yesterday.. thank God they came to their senses on the gun laws in this country but it took that bloodbath to make it happen...it was horrible
Making innocent people defenseless against criminals is insane.
Happy birthday. Steve🎉
Who?
Thanks!
Have you ever thought of coverinf Herbert Baumeister and his connection to the I-70 stranglings? It's an interesting case and a lot of it is speculation since he never confessed but I think you'll like the interview of him about his pictures of roadkill
Can’t say I’m familiar but I can look into it.
Good video.
Thank you very much. 😇👍🏻
"and most the victims were children" ah why not absorb more depression
That would be virtually impossible for me…
Great coverage DiD, I remember saying this case when you asked for suggestions a while back. I was a student at the time this happened and working as a stock picker in Fife, not to far from Dunblane, i can vividly recall the tribute song that was played a lot on the radio "Tears in Heaven" written by Eric Clapton a few years back when his 4 year old son tragically died, an incredibaly sad song but also soothing when you are trying to contemplate why this happened.
Its a very murky case with a lot of conspiracy around it particularly with the 100 year gagging order, some say Hamilton was essentially a ghillie for influential predatory men, there was some scandal around former Labour Cabinet Minister and NATO General Secretary George Robertson and a gun licence Hamilton had. Its a hard case to get much credible info about without seeing wild conspiracy stuff but it does feel like protecting the families was the secondary reason for the 100 year Closure Order the main reason being to protect those of high influence
I have just googled Dunblane tribute song sometime after making the last comment, i was mistaken....... the actual tribute song was "Knocking on Heavens Door" by Bob Dylan. A lot of sad songs played at that time, i remember the empty hopeless feeling that somebody could be so twisted as to take innocent human life in this spiteful way
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Thank you very much! 😇🥃👍🏻
@@DiD86 Cheers! 🍺🥃🍺🥃🍺🥃
I was a child when this happened. I am in America and thought nothing like this could happen here...then Columbine happened...followed by many many more mass shootings. So awful that this continues to happen.
P.S. I just turned 34. 37 is not far off. We aren't old, we are perfect. 😂😅
Wasn't Ted Bundy in a similar situation, believing his mother was his sister? That's what struck me first. Eerie, to say the least...
Happy birthday, dear DiD! Mine was 16 days ago. 45 now, and THAT is scary.
Not all that familiar with Bundy. I will be covering him eventually but don’t want to do all the most famous ones straightaway.
Many happy returns for your own birthday! Always a pleasure to see your name pop up in the comments. 😇
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Yes. He was told his mother was his sister. I live in NJ where Jack Nicholson is from. He had the same situation. I love Jack, but he suffered from this....although he made a success of his life...
@@MrPotsy81 Oh.... I didn't know about Nicholson. Thank you.
55, just a little over 16 days ago. You're a Scorpio too! Yeah, the Bundy thing... first thing that hit me!
I don't suppose the Queen cared too much ..
She wouldn’t have intervened anyway. The rules that bind the Crown are very strict on such things.
This happens every day in the us 🇺🇸 gosh we are lucky not to live in that shit hole