What do you think of the 5 Upgrades on the new Apollo Ghost 2022? Let us know in the comments below! 🚨SEE the NEW 🛴Apollo Ghost 2022 🛴: geni.us/Apollo-Ghost?track=yt
Hi, I have a question. What would you buy first? Kaabo wolf warrior x base model for $2500 CAD ?? Or "yume x11 clone" from Amazon Canada for $2400 CAD ?? The yume x11 clone is faster, has bigger battery and is a bit cheaper. But its a clone.. so what is the better buy?? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yeah that's what I figured too, but my cheap side always kicks in an tries to find other alternatives. Lol. So the Kaabo wolf warrior is just plan better in every way dispite being slower with less range?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide can you hook me up with a box to ship (sell) my mantis 8? I'm tired of the flats, damn thing can't stay running more than a month. anyone talking up pneumatic tires on e-scooters is full of it
Just got my new ghost and this thing is a tank and a rocket! I had it up to 50kph today and that is faster than I will ever go again without elbow and knee pads! This thing absolutely flies!! Pretty good ride when I ventured off-road too and that is why I bought the ghost, that and for hill climbing power and the raw look of the build. I'm pretty stoked, this thing is a heck of a lot of fun. Definitely need to watch your surroundings as it is also as quiet as a ghost and other people may not hear you coming.
So glad you guys finally started to add really all info and specs needed at least for my taste. Clean, neat, all in one informative video. Love it. Thank you ESG.
Just ordered mine. Glad I found this review and the coupon code. Thanks! I had ordered an Unagi E500, but the range is too short and the ride is too rough for SF. Excited for this one to show!
I am probably one of the very few people who bought a 2021 Ghost and now am buying a 2022. The only difference is I am upgrading to the hydraulic brakes. The regular bakes are definitely good enough. They bite hard and can actually lock up the wheels but I'm just going full send on this next scooter. I also got my 2021 model up to 40 mph on flat ground so I hope I can do the same with the 2022!
I love my new ghost and heres a great tip. flip the hook around and it will clasp together much easier when you fold it. With mine out of the box it wouldn't clip into the hook but flipping the hook around fixed it.
I just got the V2 Ghost. love the 1000 watt motors, upgraded stem and especially the new Improved stem lock. 1st speed single motor 22 mph. 2nd speed dual motor 34 mph. Haven't tried 3rd yet.
Thanks for the video! I just ordered the ghost like 15 mins ago. Tried a scooter for the first time in Kelowna over the weekend and I’m just hooked. I’m definitely a beginner and I’m about 225lbs. If there’s any tips or advice it would be appreciated. You got a new sub regardless
@@zometthecomet I’m in Calgary as well. Haven’t cruised downtown at all cause I’m way in the south but I’ve had a blast through fish creek and around shawnessy! Enjoy your scooter!
Thanks for this info, I have the ghost v1 and was thinking about getting the v2 but I think I'll just wait a little longer to see if there are more options or price drops. :)
To me, the Phantom bars are a little more comfortable, because they angle back toward the rider a little more. But the Ghost bars are pretty good, and I like how they look. -Paul
It'd be cool to see more "stairs" test for some of the portable scooters 65lbs and less. For some people, they might have no choice to go up and down some flights of stairs for their living situation. Just to see how more or less cumbersome they are to carry.
Real world test results: I work in Boston and Cambridge much of the time and arrive early in the morning before elevator operators are present. As a result, I often climb stairs with the ghost on my shoulder and backpack on my back up as many as 5 flights before I'm even close to winded. Full disclosure I also run 50 or more miles per week so my cardio strength is up there.
Technical question for you - just like there’s no battery saving riding single, what real benefit is there to Eco when its top speed is 17mph, vs mode 1 at 20mph? Any difference in amps delivered, acceleration etc that helps significantly on a days ride?
Great question. The difference in acceleration between speed mode 1, 2, and 3 is hard to detect, but there is a noticeable difference in acceleration between Eco and Turbo. So Eco will be drawing less current. It's going to be a very small savings though, especially on the 2022 Ghost, because physics-wise, accelerating you and the scooter up to 17 mph takes a certain amount of work no matter how quickly it's done. So the only two things which would impact range here are: Does Eco mode keep the motor cooler (less resistive loss to heat) Does Eco mode lower your average speed (wind resistance is non-linear, so lower average speed increases range). For big impact on range, the main factors are (in order of importance) 1) Keep top speed low 2) Set tire pressure to maximum recommended pressure 3) Have a small wind profile (hard to do much about this one. Zip jacket closed, zip jacket pockets closed. Close face shield on helmet if full-face). 4) Make sure brakes aren't dragging 5) Try to avoid applying more than 50% throttle, or run in Eco mode, to keep the motor operating in its most efficient mode. -Paul
On your recommendation I put my order in for an Apollo Phantom yesterday. Thank you for the info and help in deciding which scooter to purchase. I will let Apollo know of your role.
Solid!! I just hate that the handle bars dont fold down because every now and then you need to throw your scooter into a car trunk and it sucks when it so much harder because the handle bars don't fold down :(
Tires appear to be the same, but the tubes may be different, and it comes with spare tubes. The most important thing to prevent flats is checking tire pressure once a week (or ideally before each ride) and making sure they’re fully aired up. All scooter tires have a ton of surface area relative to their volume, so they lose pressure way faster than car tires or even bicycle tires. I haven’t checked, but thicker rims mean that the profile of the rim is probably also more blunt, which would help prevent pinch-flats. -Paul
There's nothing wrong with your voice lol. These videos are great! I'm struggling to find which scooter to buy (been using lime for a while now and want my own). These videos are helping! What's your favorite scooter of all time? In your opinion. Ty!!!
Hey Paul, I’m looking for the most comfortable ride in the dual 1000W motor category. I prefer comfort over top speed. Since you tested almost all of them which one would be your recommendation. This Apollo looks like a good contender
If I buy the disc brake model will I really miss the hydraulic brakes? What are your thoughts? The hydraulic brake version is $1999 and the disc brake version is $1799 AUD
Awesome scooter! Question! Did you have the same issue as Ginger on wheels with your wolf king gt? Sudden jolts of power when taking off in dual motor mode? It took out from underneath me today and I fell off :/
It wasn't a GT, but I did break my wrist on a Wolf King trying to ride one handed. That was 100% user error though. I pulled the throttle with only one hand on the bars. -Paul
So what scooter, other than the Phantom, provides this level of performance but also has app functionality? It seems like every high performance scooter I look at has the same, non-connected dashboard.
It’s much smoother than the Mantis Pro. I haven’t ridden the Mantis 2 Pro, but if it has a Minimotors EY3 display it will be more abrupt. The regular Mantis V2 is smooth and the Ghost is almost as smooth as that. -Paul
It should be applicable to all. The feel of the suspension topping out is the only thing that bugs me about the Ghost. Do be careful about unloading any spring. Don’t sit on the scooter, while doing it, of course. The rear spring is hidden under the rear footrest. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yeah, it would be nice if there was some damping, or at least a top-out bumper. I'd be happy to spend some money on improved suspension.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide i'm in aus have an E-glide mach 10. over all love it two things tho later one is on me and not scooter. my model has mechanical brakes and i find that i have to re adjust them all the time either because soft or pad scraping noises startm, rotors are flat and true , also i have managed to lean so sharp while cornering at high speed I've hit the sharp edge of tyre and it's skipped/drifted like a stone on water (no stack recovered both times but definitely pulled over and waited for adrenaline to settle down) i have my suspension tightened as much as i could i weigh 65-70kg about 150lbs
I think you're ready for better tires. See if there are any PMT's available which will fit your scooter. One of the troubles with pushing the limit all the time (like I do) is that eventually you find it! -Paul
Did you have to do anything to get the scooter to go above 15mph? Both my wife and I bought Ghosts, and no matter what gear we are in the maximum speed is 15mph even if no one is riding it (it's just sitting on a box with the wheels free spinning.) Apollo's customer support takes at least 48hrs, so just seeing if anyone here is able to answer faster :) If it was just one scooter I'd think it was defective, but where both have the issue I'm thinking I'm defective lol. I've made sure the battery was fully charged, and the P settings have: Acceleration = 5 Power = 100 I'm hoping it's just a setting I'm missing, or maybe something like the brakes being too tight. It's my first scooter so I'm kind of an idiot as to what's normal and what's not. Once it stops raining I'll test out the brake theory by riding it around a bunch. I've only gone around the block once when it wasn't raining to just to make sure it worked.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for the quick reply. Actually it apparently just needed to be broken in a bit. It's been raining here for the last week or so, so I hadn't been able to ride it since that first day I just took it around the block and it capped at 15mph. My wife and I took our scooters for a few mile ride today since it's sunny, and by the end of the ride the scooter was hitting 38mph!
Great review. I ride 30 miles round trip to work withn 4x 20% hills. I am 200#'s. Do you think this scooter is a good option or should I consider another?
Thank you, between this and the Emove Cruiser which do you think is a better option. It may at time be raining when I return home. The dual motor seems to help with hills.
Thanks for video. Make update of the Ghost 2022 with the update 2023... She had the option of regen brake, Bluetooth and Mach 1 controller like the Phantom V3.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide do you think its needed? I just noticed that if I wobble it a little bit (on my own) at 25-30 mph it feels a little risky...
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt once you’ve loosened it to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (because if the bolt comes all the way out the spring could completely leave the scooter). -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the information. I guess after ready your reply I am leaning towards finding a scooter that comes “stock” with a ride that is comfortable for smaller riders like myself.
Hi I was just wondering you guys have a lot of experience with scooters I need a little advice I really want the qiewa q hunter scooter but I just found out it comes with 36 amp hour Chinese batteries I don't know much about Chinese batteries I'm scared it could catch fire or anything please tell me if it's a good idea to buy scooter. should I be concerned? Ty
Mine has about 1k miles on it now. The only problem I had was the lower front tube bearing wore out and I had to wait 4 months for Apollo to send a new one
We just got our hands on one! Very excited to test it, because I love the original Air Pro. There are definitely more differences than I expected (all of them good). -Paul
Have you guys tested the Mototech Thor? I'm thinking about getting one but i cant really find a definitive answer on how the scooter actually is. I'm not sure as to think if its to good to be true or what you should expect from a scooter at that price doing that well. I don't know if you guys would be willing to do some sort of review on it
I haven't heard of this one. It's amazing how many scooters are out there. It seems like I learn about a new brand in the comments section of every video! Thanks! I'll do some reading. It looks similar to many other scooters designed in, or using parts from 2017-2018. My main concern with any scooter from a lesser known brand is warranty support and parts availability. -Paul
Prevents flat tires? Interesting. I hadn’t heard that. What’s the relationship between motor temperature and flats? Were some people reporting that they got flats from the heat melting the tubes, or that hot tubes were more vulnerable to pinch flats? -Paul
@@Jack-bz7zr does it make sense that Apollo puts the same power motor but only increase the size of it? If you follow the groups that ride Apollo's they talk about this problem of the heat causing flats.
"no benefit in using single motor in terms of range" . Is this true for all dual motor scooters? On my commute I always use single motor, thinking I would get more mileage.
@@rzkysyz Basically because whether you're using both motors or just having one motor do all the work, it's still the same amount of total work, pushing the same total weight. The load being spread across two motors doesn't make much of a total power draw difference.
Actually it does matter. You don't need all those headjerking starts with dual motor, the ride will be less jerky overall and you won't lose excess energy by putting it into range. Single motor mode is beneficial when you don't care about how much longer the trip will get, and if you really need to squeeze more mileage from the battery. I'm riding apollo ghost as commute for 2 months in a row now so I noticed as much. Also you are much more likely to be trigger-happy with the throttle while in dual motor mode since the drag is addicting.
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small reinforced rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. It doesn't really soften up the suspension, but keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt once you’ve loosened it to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (because if the bolt comes all the way out the spring could completely leave the scooter) Softening the top-out feeling really changes the feel of the scooter for the better. -Paul
So it still a VDM10 but now with same 1000w (since the 2021 was rated at 800w and original VDM10 1000w motor) and updated stem? All the rest seems the same as the regular VDM…
At this price range, I would rather buy a VSETT 10+ dual motor than getting a mid cycle refresh ghost scooter, because there is an authorized VSETT dealer and repair shop 10 minutes from my house. The problem with Apollo is that they do not have their own repair shop in the Greater Toronto Area. I had bad experience with their partner service centre - Repair and Run, when I need to repair my scooter. They are not very helpful at all.
I also want to share that the inner tubes and tires that the ghost comes with are not the best. I've got just over 1000 miles on my ghost and ive had to change each tube twice, I finally got better tubes and real rubber tires rather than the stock nylon ones. I should also mention that I do ride on trails and gravel often. Other than that i love the scooter so much, it's more than worth it in my opinion.
people realize apollo is just a reseller right? the 1000W motors are standard on the VDM-10 (thats what the apollo ghost is actually called by the company that makes it) and it is half the price of the appollo lol. and you can get it with a larger battery.
The Apollo Pro , City Pro , Air and Go are all their own scooters and not OEM! They own the IP on all those models. The ghost has been discontinued a while ago.
i purchased one but i really am so concerned for customer service and reliability. i read so many people complaining about issues with both the scooter and customer service....and i am a long time voro cruiser user so...yea real nervous!! the community in voro was 2nd to none. but i was curious as a george and wanted to try something new.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it's servicing of them and the delay of shipping/response or lack of official service center that is concerning. I went with the kaabo mantis pro : QUESTION! IS THERE AFTER MARKET KAABO FOLDING HANDLE BARS?
I NEED ADVICE. I wanted to buy the Apollo Ghost, but on Reddit & Facebook I see HORRIBLE reviews of the company of them not responding the emails for repairs, warranty claims and their shipping times not being honoured (2-6 days ends up being 1-2MONTHS). There’s a store near me selling the Zero 10x, but I have had my eyes on the Ghost or even Phantom for so long. It’s a tough decision. Do I go with the online company I see bad things written about? But that looks like a solid scooter with god quality. Or so I go with the store near me that’s a bit more expensive selling the Zero 10x and does warranty repairs in their own? I need scooter guide advice PLEASE!!!
Not many issues with the ghost! Apollo is an excellent company! The bad seems to be echoed on the internet! Never the good! We recommend apollo scooters
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space between the spring-bolt and the top of the swingarm. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (causing the suspension to fall apart). You also need to make sure that if you back out the bolt, that you always have at least three threads going into the lower swingarm. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide why don't you do a video on those? Because in reality we want scooters that can be charged thousands of times if we're paying thousands of dollars. So can you help us out please?
Watching this video confirms I made the right decision to pre-order the Segway P100S. When I see these 2022 scooters coming out with QS displays and single/dual mode switches that look like something from the 1990’s, it reminds me that very few companies are really trying to innovate in this industry with new designs. At least the City Pro represents some impressive advancements in design and tech. But for the Ghost, which is really just a rebranded VDM-10, to still be using these outdated components in 2022 is just plain embarrassing.
Just passed 1000 miles on my 2021 ghost and love it! You sound like one of those people that talk s about androids because your apple fanboy mentality blocks you from seeing something that works and doesn't need the extra bs...
What is the 0-30mph for the P100s? oh wait, it only goes 26mph, make sure to keep it on the sidewalk and bike trails and make sure to stay off the street. Q:"Hows the ride?" A:"I don't know no one has ridden one yet." Q: "How much do they cost?" A" I don't know they haven't released pricing yet." Q:"When are they going to be selling them?" A: " I don't know, but people are hoping by October or November." ...Hey man that's cool, look me up in 3-4 months and let me know if you have your scooter yet, I've got to get going, I have a group ride about to take off now, maybe you can come on a ride along next year! catch you later!
Segway p100s cost 2k, has a single 650w motor, and goes only 27 mph. These scooters don't compete. The segway scooter looks nice and high tech, but what's the point if it's that slow and they are charging 2k for it.
My 2022 ghost is due to arrive soon, i went with reg brakes cause i can maintain those myself and hydraulic brakes intimidate me so i would have to go to shops to maintain those.
why would this Ghost be a little slower than the 2021 ghost if there's two 1000 watt motors now, same speed controller and it being only like 2 lbs heavier?
That's a good question. The 2022 is quicker up hills, due to more copper in the motors, but there may be something about the motors that causes them to make less power at higher RPM. (different KV-spec: rpm per volt, perhaps) -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide the video review states under the same conditions so I assume the rider weight and road were controlled for and battery voltage. But the other factor about RPM per volt makes sense if the motor is built slightly differently. I wonder if there would be ways to confirm that somehow. Thanks for the response!
Just depends if you feel like you need at least some water resistance, although you can just disassemble the whole deck and apply silicone to the seams, would be the same deal.
On suspension in general, or tips for the Ghost? I’d love to do one on all the different types of scooter suspension! Here are my tips for lighter weight riders on the Ghost. My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (causing the suspension to fall apart).
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide In general, like recommended settings, types of suspensions with its pros and cons, what to look for when adjusting based on factors like riders weight, terrain, feel, etc. The more the detailed, the better. I currently have my Ghost '21 set to one turn away from the stiffest in the front and a turn and a half in the back. I'm still playing around with it on which should be better for me as a lighter rider. I might think of doing the mod that you mentioned because the rear screw feel too loose when trying to make it on the softer setting and afraid it might loosen overtime causing it to pop out through the plastic foot rest when compressed. Also would like go ask if Apollo made the kickstand on the Ghost '22 longer?
I don't think the stand has changed on the Ghost '22. The stand on our '21 Ghost is sagging a bit with time though, so it leans more. You have to be careful with the stand because it's made out of aluminum. -Paul
As far as the suspension goes, I agree, you want to be careful with reducing preload. For riders under 165 lbs, I would try running the tires at 40 psi, and then adding a reinforced rubber washer and a small metal washer on the two bolts that hold the suspension springs in place. It will take away the clunk when the suspension tops out, and should make a big difference in the over all feel. -Paul
In an ideal world, when you're on the scooter wearing riding gear, you would have 1/3 upward suspension travel available, and 2/3 downward travel available. So, in other words you'd be sitting at 1/3 from the top of the travel. -Paul
I bought a '22 Ghost as my first scooter, based in part on these reviews. I'll definitely try your suspension tweak, I think that will be helpful. The significant QC issue I had was that the rear brake caliper adapter was installed backwards, in the 160mm rotor position. The scooter has 140mm rotors, so only half the pad area was being used. An easy fix, but it shouldn't have been shipped out like that. A smaller issue is that the deck-mounted hook needs to be rotated 180deg, or bent upwards, to work.
Hi. Good review! I want to buy an Apollo scooter but I hesitate between the Ghost 2022 model and the Phantom model. I am a man who weighs between 230 and 240lbs depending on what I am wearing. Would this model work?
It’s getting better lately though. We’re seeing better IP ratings and better fenders on each major re-design, but the changes tend to be smaller on updates of existing scooters. -Paul
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space between the spring-bolt and the top of the swingarm. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (causing the suspension to fall apart). You also need to make sure that if you back out the bolt, that you always have at least three threads going into the lower swingarm. -Paul
It really depends. They both weigh about the same. The Ghost is quicker off the line and has higher top speed and much stronger brakes. The City Pro (dual motor) is roomier, a little more modern looking, and easier to ride. The City Pro has a nice app, (that keeps getting better), it has tubeless flat-resistant tires, and the cool regen thumb brake. Both are really good looking. Oh, the City Pro has a higher water resistance rating and better fenders, so it’s definitely better in rain. For sporty intermediate to expert riders: Ghost. For new to intermediate riders who want a smooth commute and a scooter that’s a little more modern: City Pro. -Paul
I wonder why they even bother adding single/dual motor button anymore. They look so dated and no point in going single motor anyways. Same with the eco/turbo button.
I got me an entry level scooter Segway E22 I just got it last week can you tell me if it's a solid scooter or not is it a pretty good entry level scooter I just haven't had the time to ride it yet I've been working a lot I didn't take it out on the road yet it's all charged up ready to go though 🛴
The E22 is okay-ish. But it depends on the road conditions in your area. I personally won't recommend anything without a proper suspension. I also ended up getting an external battery pack to increase the distance.
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What do you think of the 5 Upgrades on the new Apollo Ghost 2022? Let us know in the comments below!
🚨SEE the NEW 🛴Apollo Ghost 2022 🛴: geni.us/Apollo-Ghost?track=yt
Hi, I have a question. What would you buy first? Kaabo wolf warrior x base model for $2500 CAD ?? Or "yume x11 clone" from Amazon Canada for $2400 CAD ?? The yume x11 clone is faster, has bigger battery and is a bit cheaper. But its a clone.. so what is the better buy?? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
@@JP-qq2kn wolf warrior x!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yeah that's what I figured too, but my cheap side always kicks in an tries to find other alternatives. Lol. So the Kaabo wolf warrior is just plan better in every way dispite being slower with less range?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Is that because the Kaabo is so good?? Or because that amazon clone is so bad..?? Just curious. Thanks!
Its junk!
That thumbnail lmao Esg is definitely the best electric scooter channel.
YES! Thank you for noticing :) Ramier and Vosk's idea haha
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide can you hook me up with a box to ship (sell) my mantis 8? I'm tired of the flats, damn thing can't stay running more than a month. anyone talking up pneumatic tires on e-scooters is full of it
I know right 😂😂
Just got my new ghost and this thing is a tank and a rocket! I had it up to 50kph today and that is faster than I will ever go again without elbow and knee pads! This thing absolutely flies!! Pretty good ride when I ventured off-road too and that is why I bought the ghost, that and for hill climbing power and the raw look of the build. I'm pretty stoked, this thing is a heck of a lot of fun. Definitely need to watch your surroundings as it is also as quiet as a ghost and other people may not hear you coming.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing.
Wear bright colors !
So many people ride just about anything trying to look " *cool* " in *black* but yellow, white and red catch the most attention
So glad you guys finally started to add really all info and specs needed at least for my taste.
Clean, neat, all in one informative video.
Love it.
Thank you ESG.
Thanks Maciej! -Paul
@@carrickdubya4765 I’m 6.5 myself so yeah I feel ye man.
You're dedication to presentation of information for the ease of consumption is unsurpassed! I wish I could have subscribed 10 times over
Wow thanks so much for the kind word! -Vosk
I got both 21 and 22 ghost and put about 1500km on both and there both great. The 22 ghost rides like a benz!!!
That’s awesome! Enjoy
No it doesn't. Have both a 22 ghost and a AMG.
Just ordered mine. Glad I found this review and the coupon code. Thanks! I had ordered an Unagi E500, but the range is too short and the ride is too rough for SF. Excited for this one to show!
Awesome! Glad we can help! -Vosk
I am probably one of the very few people who bought a 2021 Ghost and now am buying a 2022. The only difference is I am upgrading to the hydraulic brakes. The regular bakes are definitely good enough. They bite hard and can actually lock up the wheels but I'm just going full send on this next scooter. I also got my 2021 model up to 40 mph on flat ground so I hope I can do the same with the 2022!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I love my new ghost and heres a great tip. flip the hook around and it will clasp together much easier when you fold it. With mine out of the box it wouldn't clip into the hook but flipping the hook around fixed it.
Awesome! Thanks for the tip. -Vosk
I just got the V2 Ghost.
love the 1000 watt motors, upgraded stem and especially the new Improved stem lock.
1st speed single motor 22 mph.
2nd speed dual motor 34 mph.
Haven't tried 3rd yet.
That’s awesome! Enjoy your néw beast!
Thanks for the video! I just ordered the ghost like 15 mins ago. Tried a scooter for the first time in Kelowna over the weekend and I’m just hooked. I’m definitely a beginner and I’m about 225lbs. If there’s any tips or advice it would be appreciated. You got a new sub regardless
That’s awesome! We hope you enjoy your video! Make sure the tires are inflated to proper PSI! & check the bolts.
Hey there, I'm in Penticton! I just got my ghost today, how are you enjoying yours?
I'm in Calgary and i just ordered this! Hope to cruise the DT paths with no issue! Being our city paths are pretty ruff.
@@_The_Captain I absolutely love it! Awesome scooter!
@@zometthecomet I’m in Calgary as well. Haven’t cruised downtown at all cause I’m way in the south but I’ve had a blast through fish creek and around shawnessy! Enjoy your scooter!
Good thing about this channel they always start with the price.🤘
Thanks for watching! Stay safe.
Thanks for this info, I have the ghost v1 and was thinking about getting the v2 but I think I'll just wait a little longer to see if there are more options or price drops. :)
those folding handlebars are super useful :)
I'm giving a thumbs up for this video just for the video thumbnail alone LOL. Love you guys!
Haha thanks so much for the kind words!
-Vosk
dude, please bring folding handlebars to the Phantom. Picking my jaw up right now after seeing how awesome that is on the Ghost.
To me, the Phantom bars are a little more comfortable, because they angle back toward the rider a little more. But the Ghost bars are pretty good, and I like how they look. -Paul
Called the Dragon Raptor in Australia!
Sounds great! If I didn't have a scooter already I would totally get this new one
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
I need a second scooter so my girlfriend can ride my old one lol.
It'd be cool to see more "stairs" test for some of the portable scooters 65lbs and less. For some people, they might have no choice to go up and down some flights of stairs for their living situation. Just to see how more or less cumbersome they are to carry.
Thanks for the tip! -Vosk
Real world test results:
I work in Boston and Cambridge much of the time and arrive early in the morning before elevator operators are present. As a result, I often climb stairs with the ghost on my shoulder and backpack on my back up as many as 5 flights before I'm even close to winded. Full disclosure I also run 50 or more miles per week so my cardio strength is up there.
Technical question for you - just like there’s no battery saving riding single, what real benefit is there to Eco when its top speed is 17mph, vs mode 1 at 20mph? Any difference in amps delivered, acceleration etc that helps significantly on a days ride?
Great question. The difference in acceleration between speed mode 1, 2, and 3 is hard to detect, but there is a noticeable difference in acceleration between Eco and Turbo. So Eco will be drawing less current. It's going to be a very small savings though, especially on the 2022 Ghost, because physics-wise, accelerating you and the scooter up to 17 mph takes a certain amount of work no matter how quickly it's done. So the only two things which would impact range here are:
Does Eco mode keep the motor cooler (less resistive loss to heat)
Does Eco mode lower your average speed (wind resistance is non-linear, so lower average speed increases range).
For big impact on range, the main factors are (in order of importance)
1) Keep top speed low
2) Set tire pressure to maximum recommended pressure
3) Have a small wind profile (hard to do much about this one. Zip jacket closed, zip jacket pockets closed. Close face shield on helmet if full-face).
4) Make sure brakes aren't dragging
5) Try to avoid applying more than 50% throttle, or run in Eco mode, to keep the motor operating in its most efficient mode.
-Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide wow thanks!
Happy to help! :-)
On your recommendation I put my order in for an Apollo Phantom yesterday. Thank you for the info and help in deciding which scooter to purchase. I will let Apollo know of your role.
Wow thanks so much for the very kind words & for your support! We really hope you enjoy your new scooter! -Vosk
Solid!! I just hate that the handle bars dont fold down because every now and then you need to throw your scooter into a car trunk and it sucks when it so much harder because the handle bars don't fold down :(
Insightful! Thanks for sharing.
How often do you guys gotta change the tubes and brakes on these things if you use it as a daily commuter?
It depends. But for escooter it's just not worth it to have pneumatic/tubed tires. It's much more difficult to change and find suitable parts.
Every few months or so!
I have the 2021 version and I’ve had 4 tubes blow in less than 150 miles… it’s frustrating…
Did they upgrade their tires that often get flat?
Tires appear to be the same, but the tubes may be different, and it comes with spare tubes. The most important thing to prevent flats is checking tire pressure once a week (or ideally before each ride) and making sure they’re fully aired up. All scooter tires have a ton of surface area relative to their volume, so they lose pressure way faster than car tires or even bicycle tires.
I haven’t checked, but thicker rims mean that the profile of the rim is probably also more blunt, which would help prevent pinch-flats. -Paul
There's nothing wrong with your voice lol. These videos are great! I'm struggling to find which scooter to buy (been using lime for a while now and want my own). These videos are helping! What's your favorite scooter of all time? In your opinion. Ty!!!
Nami burn E for sure! -Vosk
Been waiting for this
Hey Paul, I’m looking for the most comfortable ride in the dual 1000W motor category. I prefer comfort over top speed.
Since you tested almost all of them which one would be your recommendation. This Apollo looks like a good contender
Apollo city for the win! geni.us/ApolloCityProNew use code RIDERGUIDE for best discount
If I buy the disc brake model will I really miss the hydraulic brakes? What are your thoughts?
The hydraulic brake version is $1999 and the disc brake version is $1799 AUD
Unfortunately Apollo has discontinued both versions now. The Ghost is gone. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it’s still available for purchase in Australia. 🇦🇺
Glad I watched this, I didn’t know it’s not a good thing to run it in single motor mode
Why did the rated weight capacity drop from 300lb to 265lb when the rims and stem were both improved?
Not sure! Might be a typo. Please contact Apollo to verify. -Vosk
Hahaha. Thumbnail is hilarious 😂👍.
:-) Thanks! -Paul
There is a lot to like about this scooter. A higher amperage sine wave controller and a 60 volt option would make it next level.
Thanks for the input! -Vosk
Hello, I’m considering purchasing a Apollo city pro but I was wondering if there is any stem wobble or is it solid?
It is very solid , you should have no issues! Thanks for watching. -Vosk
Awesome scooter! Question! Did you have the same issue as Ginger on wheels with your wolf king gt? Sudden jolts of power when taking off in dual motor mode? It took out from underneath me today and I fell off :/
No! We didn’t have any issues like that at all! Glad you are okay. Stay Safe.
It wasn't a GT, but I did break my wrist on a Wolf King trying to ride one handed. That was 100% user error though. I pulled the throttle with only one hand on the bars. -Paul
On full power settings the GHOST IS GRABBY & TAKES OFF FAST...SO HANG ON TO THOSE HANDLE BARS & LEAN FORWARD THAT TIME.😇🤣😂😍
Hey Paul, can you make a video on how to stop stem creak on the '21 Ghost?
Very busy now but I will add it to the list of possible videos in the future!
3:19 What is the little tweak to make the suspension nicer? I've been looking for something to make it smoother, this would help loads.
Adjust the brakes if possible with a spanner wrench!
So what scooter, other than the Phantom, provides this level of performance but also has app functionality? It seems like every high performance scooter I look at has the same, non-connected dashboard.
Vsett 10+ and kaabo mantis king are great alternatives if interested!
Any idea which retailers will ship electric scooters to Alaska? I'm having a hard time purchasing one because most retailers won't ship here.
I think Apollo ships for a fee! Please contact support@apolloscooters.co for further assistance.
is the acceleration smooth? I had the mantis 2 pro and it was just way to jumpy I did not like it
It’s much smoother than the Mantis Pro. I haven’t ridden the Mantis 2 Pro, but if it has a Minimotors EY3 display it will be more abrupt. The regular Mantis V2 is smooth and the Ghost is almost as smooth as that. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide wait I meant mantis pro lol
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide awesome !
It is if you have dual motor mode disabled or in eco mode.
I don't see the coupon code other than the mention of free accessory deal?
Coupon code has expired! -Vosk
When is the full review article with all the benchmarks coming out and available on your website?
Also would love your take on the 2022 Manti v2 vs 2022 Ghost
Very shortly! Thank You.
Good idea! Thanks for the tip.
the suspention adjustment you mention, is that applicable to any vdm-10 varient?
It should be applicable to all. The feel of the suspension topping out is the only thing that bugs me about the Ghost. Do be careful about unloading any spring. Don’t sit on the scooter, while doing it, of course.
The rear spring is hidden under the rear footrest. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Yeah, it would be nice if there was some damping, or at least a top-out bumper. I'd be happy to spend some money on improved suspension.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide i'm in aus have an E-glide mach 10. over all love it two things tho later one is on me and not scooter. my model has mechanical brakes and i find that i have to re adjust them all the time either because soft or pad scraping noises startm, rotors are flat and true , also i have managed to lean so sharp while cornering at high speed I've hit the sharp edge of tyre and it's skipped/drifted like a stone on water (no stack recovered both times but definitely pulled over and waited for adrenaline to settle down)
i have my suspension tightened as much as i could i weigh 65-70kg about 150lbs
I think you're ready for better tires. See if there are any PMT's available which will fit your scooter. One of the troubles with pushing the limit all the time (like I do) is that eventually you find it!
-Paul
Did you have to do anything to get the scooter to go above 15mph? Both my wife and I bought Ghosts, and no matter what gear we are in the maximum speed is 15mph even if no one is riding it (it's just sitting on a box with the wheels free spinning.) Apollo's customer support takes at least 48hrs, so just seeing if anyone here is able to answer faster :) If it was just one scooter I'd think it was defective, but where both have the issue I'm thinking I'm defective lol.
I've made sure the battery was fully charged, and the P settings have:
Acceleration = 5
Power = 100
I'm hoping it's just a setting I'm missing, or maybe something like the brakes being too tight. It's my first scooter so I'm kind of an idiot as to what's normal and what's not. Once it stops raining I'll test out the brake theory by riding it around a bunch. I've only gone around the block once when it wasn't raining to just to make sure it worked.
Did you try changing the riding modes , if it’s on eco mode it won’t go fast , make sure it’s not on eco mode and make sure it’s on dual motor
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks for the quick reply. Actually it apparently just needed to be broken in a bit. It's been raining here for the last week or so, so I hadn't been able to ride it since that first day I just took it around the block and it capped at 15mph.
My wife and I took our scooters for a few mile ride today since it's sunny, and by the end of the ride the scooter was hitting 38mph!
Great review. I ride 30 miles round trip to work withn 4x 20% hills. I am 200#'s. Do you think this scooter is a good option or should I consider another?
Yes this will be fine for you! -Vosk
Thank you, between this and the Emove Cruiser which do you think is a better option. It may at time be raining when I return home. The dual motor seems to help with hills.
Thanks for video. Make update of the Ghost 2022 with the update 2023... She had the option of regen brake, Bluetooth and Mach 1 controller like the Phantom V3.
Any recommendations for a steering damper for Apollo ghost 2022?
We have not used one for ours! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide do you think its needed? I just noticed that if I wobble it a little bit (on my own) at 25-30 mph it feels a little risky...
At 135 lbs can you tell me how to make it have a comfortable ride? Am I just too lite to have a comfortable ride on this scooter thanks?
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt once you’ve loosened it to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (because if the bolt comes all the way out the spring could completely leave the scooter). -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the information. I guess after ready your reply I am leaning towards finding a scooter that comes “stock” with a ride that is comfortable for smaller riders like myself.
What is the adjustment for the suspension? Range in eco mode?
We do not check any ranges in eco mode! We test in fastest mode for all scooters.
Hi I was just wondering you guys have a lot of experience with scooters I need a little advice I really want the qiewa q hunter scooter but I just found out it comes with 36 amp hour Chinese batteries I don't know much about Chinese batteries I'm scared it could catch fire or anything please tell me if it's a good idea to buy scooter. should I be concerned? Ty
we have only tested one qiewa which was the qiewa power! it was ok not bad.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide would you buy scooter with a Chinese battery?
Are these things reliable ?
Yes this scooter is very reliable! -Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you !
Mine has about 1k miles on it now. The only problem I had was the lower front tube bearing wore out and I had to wait 4 months for Apollo to send a new one
@@JimLBon im sorry, did you say FOUR..MONTHS? how can you possibly tolerate that
Can you guys review the Nanrobot D4+ 3.0 please?
We will take a look! Thank You. -Vosk
I’d love a full review of the 2022 Apollo Air.
We just got our hands on one! Very excited to test it, because I love the original Air Pro. There are definitely more differences than I expected (all of them good). -Paul
Have you guys tested the Mototech Thor? I'm thinking about getting one but i cant really find a definitive answer on how the scooter actually is. I'm not sure as to think if its to good to be true or what you should expect from a scooter at that price doing that well. I don't know if you guys would be willing to do some sort of review on it
I haven't heard of this one. It's amazing how many scooters are out there. It seems like I learn about a new brand in the comments section of every video! Thanks! I'll do some reading. It looks similar to many other scooters designed in, or using parts from 2017-2018. My main concern with any scooter from a lesser known brand is warranty support and parts availability. -Paul
I bought the Apollo ghost used and it says 2022. It does not have this fast latch like yours. Is this an add on?
Should be there!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I agree. It should be.
Would this be a better first scooter than the Varla Pegasus?
Yes, I’m not a fan of the build quality of the Pegasus, though Mitchell really likes his. It’s possible we just got a bad one at Rider Guide. -Paul
I heard the larger motor prevents the flats, probably distributing the heat
Prevents flat tires? Interesting. I hadn’t heard that. What’s the relationship between motor temperature and flats? Were some people reporting that they got flats from the heat melting the tubes, or that hot tubes were more vulnerable to pinch flats? -Paul
That doesn’t make any sense
@@Jack-bz7zr does it make sense that Apollo puts the same power motor but only increase the size of it? If you follow the groups that ride Apollo's they talk about this problem of the heat causing flats.
@@Mrjaha 🤔🤣
The thicker rims could prevent flats, because they might be less pointy on the edges, but that's just a guess. -Paul
I can buy one used, no problems with 250 miles for 600 usd...good deal?
Pretty decent deal for sure!
What happened to chuck hasn’t been in an esg video since 2021
Chuck is enjoying life as a full time Dad. -Paul
Where can I order the rear controller
Contact Apollo for spare parts! -Vosk
"no benefit in using single motor in terms of range" . Is this true for all dual motor scooters? On my commute I always use single motor, thinking I would get more mileage.
We’re pretty sure it’s true for every scooter. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide wow.. this is new info for me.
@@rzkysyz Basically because whether you're using both motors or just having one motor do all the work, it's still the same amount of total work, pushing the same total weight. The load being spread across two motors doesn't make much of a total power draw difference.
Actually it does matter. You don't need all those headjerking starts with dual motor, the ride will be less jerky overall and you won't lose excess energy by putting it into range. Single motor mode is beneficial when you don't care about how much longer the trip will get, and if you really need to squeeze more mileage from the battery.
I'm riding apollo ghost as commute for 2 months in a row now so I noticed as much.
Also you are much more likely to be trigger-happy with the throttle while in dual motor mode since the drag is addicting.
@@HellGod67 lol, way to say a whole bunch of wrong.
With the NAMI BURN-E VIPER 2 (28AH) 2022 edition how far could you get if you went 45kph the whole ride
Should be over 25-30 miles driving at those speeds!
Im 140 lbs and i owned 2022 ghost, would like to know how to soften the suspension
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small reinforced rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. It doesn't really soften up the suspension, but keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt once you’ve loosened it to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (because if the bolt comes all the way out the spring could completely leave the scooter)
Softening the top-out feeling really changes the feel of the scooter for the better. -Paul
So it still a VDM10 but now with same 1000w (since the 2021 was rated at 800w and original VDM10 1000w motor) and updated stem? All the rest seems the same as the regular VDM…
Very similar with some upgrades!
ESG is right on, good upgrades.and well thought out.
Thanks for the kind words! Stay Safe. -Vosk
At this price range, I would rather buy a VSETT 10+ dual motor than getting a mid cycle refresh ghost scooter, because there is an authorized VSETT dealer and repair shop 10 minutes from my house. The problem with Apollo is that they do not have their own repair shop in the Greater Toronto Area. I had bad experience with their partner service centre - Repair and Run, when I need to repair my scooter. They are not very helpful at all.
They are definately ramping up service centers in Canada & the US!
I also want to share that the inner tubes and tires that the ghost comes with are not the best. I've got just over 1000 miles on my ghost and ive had to change each tube twice, I finally got better tubes and real rubber tires rather than the stock nylon ones. I should also mention that I do ride on trails and gravel often. Other than that i love the scooter so much, it's more than worth it in my opinion.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
people realize apollo is just a reseller right? the 1000W motors are standard on the VDM-10 (thats what the apollo ghost is actually called by the company that makes it) and it is half the price of the appollo lol. and you can get it with a larger battery.
The Apollo Pro , City Pro , Air and Go are all their own scooters and not OEM! They own the IP on all those models. The ghost has been discontinued a while ago.
i purchased one but i really am so concerned for customer service and reliability. i read so many people complaining about issues with both the scooter and customer service....and i am a long time voro cruiser user so...yea real nervous!! the community in voro was 2nd to none. but i was curious as a george and wanted to try something new.
Apollo is a excellent brand! Majority of people have very few issues overall.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide it's servicing of them and the delay of shipping/response or lack of official service center that is concerning.
I went with the kaabo mantis pro : QUESTION! IS THERE AFTER MARKET KAABO FOLDING HANDLE BARS?
I honestly wish Apollo Ghost comes with a integrated headlights for that price point
We love the ghost! Great scooter. -Vosk
I NEED ADVICE. I wanted to buy the Apollo Ghost, but on Reddit & Facebook I see HORRIBLE reviews of the company of them not responding the emails for repairs, warranty claims and their shipping times not being honoured (2-6 days ends up being 1-2MONTHS). There’s a store near me selling the Zero 10x, but I have had my eyes on the Ghost or even Phantom for so long. It’s a tough decision.
Do I go with the online company I see bad things written about? But that looks like a solid scooter with god quality.
Or so I go with the store near me that’s a bit more expensive selling the Zero 10x and does warranty repairs in their own?
I need scooter guide advice PLEASE!!!
Not many issues with the ghost! Apollo is an excellent company! The bad seems to be echoed on the internet! Never the good! We recommend apollo scooters
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeah just how life is you never get a "good job" . But when you mess up people are always there to tell so!
Just out of my price range. Apollos awesome
For sure!
Can the Suspension be adjusted for lighter riders I’m at 55kg
Yes it can be adjusted! -Vosk
I weigh 136 pounds and I would like to know how to adjust my suspension on na Ghost 22 thank you
Contact support@apolloscooters.co and they will gladly assist you. -Vosk
I am definitely interested in your idea to adjust the suspension for lighter riders…
Awesome! Enjoy your new ride! Stay Safe
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space between the spring-bolt and the top of the swingarm. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (causing the suspension to fall apart).
You also need to make sure that if you back out the bolt, that you always have at least three threads going into the lower swingarm. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Great tips & worth trying them.Thank you.
Can you compare the 2022 ghost to ESG's top rated dual motors around $1600 (such as kaabo mantis v2 )
We will do our best! Thanks for the tip.
WHAT SCOOTERS HAVE LITHIUM PHOSPHATE BATTERIES
Not many to be honest!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide why don't you do a video on those? Because in reality we want scooters that can be charged thousands of times if we're paying thousands of dollars. So can you help us out please?
Watching this video confirms I made the right decision to pre-order the Segway P100S. When I see these 2022 scooters coming out with QS displays and single/dual mode switches that look like something from the 1990’s, it reminds me that very few companies are really trying to innovate in this industry with new designs. At least the City Pro represents some impressive advancements in design and tech. But for the Ghost, which is really just a rebranded VDM-10, to still be using these outdated components in 2022 is just plain embarrassing.
We’re looking forward to testing the P100S. -Paul
Just passed 1000 miles on my 2021 ghost and love it! You sound like one of those people that talk s about androids because your apple fanboy mentality blocks you from seeing something that works and doesn't need the extra bs...
What is the 0-30mph for the P100s? oh wait, it only goes 26mph, make sure to keep it on the sidewalk and bike trails and make sure to stay off the street. Q:"Hows the ride?" A:"I don't know no one has ridden one yet." Q: "How much do they cost?" A" I don't know they haven't released pricing yet." Q:"When are they going to be selling them?" A: " I don't know, but people are hoping by October or November." ...Hey man that's cool, look me up in 3-4 months and let me know if you have your scooter yet, I've got to get going, I have a group ride about to take off now, maybe you can come on a ride along next year! catch you later!
@@EssPhour LMAO. Facts ☝🏻💯
Segway p100s cost 2k, has a single 650w motor, and goes only 27 mph. These scooters don't compete. The segway scooter looks nice and high tech, but what's the point if it's that slow and they are charging 2k for it.
WOW! So much power !!!
For sure it’s very powerful! -Vosk
My 2022 ghost is due to arrive soon, i went with reg brakes cause i can maintain those myself and hydraulic brakes intimidate me so i would have to go to shops to maintain those.
That’s awesome! Enjoy your new scooter
I heard all you have to do is bleed the brakes, which is an easy process for such a powerful upgrade!
why would this Ghost be a little slower than the 2021 ghost if there's two 1000 watt motors now, same speed controller and it being only like 2 lbs heavier?
That's a good question. The 2022 is quicker up hills, due to more copper in the motors, but there may be something about the motors that causes them to make less power at higher RPM. (different KV-spec: rpm per volt, perhaps) -Paul
The battery voltage is most important reason for top end speed! also conditions, weight of rider, wind etc
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide the video review states under the same conditions so I assume the rider weight and road were controlled for and battery voltage. But the other factor about RPM per volt makes sense if the motor is built slightly differently. I wonder if there would be ways to confirm that somehow.
Thanks for the response!
Wow, please let me know about the trick to improve the suspension for smaller people.
What do you mean improve the suspension? -Vosk
Just loosen the suspension bolts so it doesn't launch you into space.
I’m really torn between this and the mantis.
Can’t go wrong with either honestly!
Just depends if you feel like you need at least some water resistance, although you can just disassemble the whole deck and apply silicone to the seams, would be the same deal.
I would like to see a video guide on suspensions.
On suspension in general, or tips for the Ghost? I’d love to do one on all the different types of scooter suspension!
Here are my tips for lighter weight riders on the Ghost.
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (causing the suspension to fall apart).
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide In general, like recommended settings, types of suspensions with its pros and cons, what to look for when adjusting based on factors like riders weight, terrain, feel, etc. The more the detailed, the better. I currently have my Ghost '21 set to one turn away from the stiffest in the front and a turn and a half in the back. I'm still playing around with it on which should be better for me as a lighter rider. I might think of doing the mod that you mentioned because the rear screw feel too loose when trying to make it on the softer setting and afraid it might loosen overtime causing it to pop out through the plastic foot rest when compressed. Also would like go ask if Apollo made the kickstand on the Ghost '22 longer?
I don't think the stand has changed on the Ghost '22. The stand on our '21 Ghost is sagging a bit with time though, so it leans more. You have to be careful with the stand because it's made out of aluminum. -Paul
As far as the suspension goes, I agree, you want to be careful with reducing preload. For riders under 165 lbs, I would try running the tires at 40 psi, and then adding a reinforced rubber washer and a small metal washer on the two bolts that hold the suspension springs in place. It will take away the clunk when the suspension tops out, and should make a big difference in the over all feel. -Paul
In an ideal world, when you're on the scooter wearing riding gear, you would have 1/3 upward suspension travel available, and 2/3 downward travel available. So, in other words you'd be sitting at 1/3 from the top of the travel. -Paul
Sooooo why would anyone get the Ghost over the Phantom? Serious question.
The people that would want to save a few hundred bucks would! -Vosk
I bought a '22 Ghost as my first scooter, based in part on these reviews. I'll definitely try your suspension tweak, I think that will be helpful.
The significant QC issue I had was that the rear brake caliper adapter was installed backwards, in the 160mm rotor position. The scooter has 140mm rotors, so only half the pad area was being used. An easy fix, but it shouldn't have been shipped out like that.
A smaller issue is that the deck-mounted hook needs to be rotated 180deg, or bent upwards, to work.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
I thought my meme game is strong... ESG takes it to the next level 🤯
We always try to do our very best! Thank you so much for the kind words.
Hi. Good review! I want to buy an Apollo scooter but I hesitate between the Ghost 2022 model and the Phantom model. I am a man who weighs between 230 and 240lbs depending on what I am wearing. Would this model work?
They are both excellent! Ghost is a great value to be honest. -Vosk
What do you think of the City Pro 2022 model for a man of my weight?
How is there barely no company that knows how to design a proper fender for rain protection? It is so easy :/
It’s getting better lately though. We’re seeing better IP ratings and better fenders on each major re-design, but the changes tend to be smaller on updates of existing scooters. -Paul
hello I weigh 140 pounds and I would like to know how to adjust the suspension of my ghost 2022 thank you
You can email apollo and they can provide you with instructions!
The angle of the handle bars looks like its way to close to your body. Didn't anyone have this issue? Uncomfortable stance?
We have not had any issues with ours!
-Vosk
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide interesting 🤔 ... Thanks for the response
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Thank you.
SQ1 IS THE BEST 900$ 65KM AND 80KM RANGE UNBELIEVABLE SPeED AND TORK
Thanks for sharing!
I'm 155lbs- tell me your secrets, Paul!
My favorite mod for the Ghost is to add a small rubber washer and metal washer to the top of the bolts for the suspension spring. This keeps the suspension from clunking when it reaches the top of travel. The trick is finding washers that fit into the space between the spring-bolt and the top of the swingarm. You can add a stack of rubber washers for more cushion. It’s best to use washers with fibers embedded in them, otherwise they will pop off. I’ve even seen folks work a small spring, into that space. The other thing I haven’t tried that could help is giving the spring one or two turns counter clockwise, to reduce spring preload. This would also make it top out less. The tricky thing here is you’d need to loctite the bolt to make sure it doesn’t keep backing out (causing the suspension to fall apart).
You also need to make sure that if you back out the bolt, that you always have at least three threads going into the lower swingarm.
-Paul
Bahhhhhhhhh great thumbnail
:-) Thanks JC! -Paul
How do you guys think this compares to the apollo city? Which one would you choose.
It really depends. They both weigh about the same. The Ghost is quicker off the line and has higher top speed and much stronger brakes.
The City Pro (dual motor) is roomier, a little more modern looking, and easier to ride. The City Pro has a nice app, (that keeps getting better), it has tubeless flat-resistant tires, and the cool regen thumb brake. Both are really good looking. Oh, the City Pro has a higher water resistance rating and better fenders, so it’s definitely better in rain.
For sporty intermediate to expert riders: Ghost. For new to intermediate riders who want a smooth commute and a scooter that’s a little more modern: City Pro. -Paul
I’ve gone 38mph on my 2022
That’s awesome! Stay safe -Vosk
I wonder why they even bother adding single/dual motor button anymore. They look so dated and no point in going single motor anyways. Same with the eco/turbo button.
Those buttons are definitely disappearing in favor of rubber Turbo/eco buttons. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide They look and feel so much nicer for sure.
I got me an entry level scooter Segway E22 I just got it last week can you tell me if it's a solid scooter or not is it a pretty good entry level scooter I just haven't had the time to ride it yet I've been working a lot I didn't take it out on the road yet it's all charged up ready to go though 🛴
We made a review on that one too (paste below)! I like the E22! -Paul
ruclips.net/video/XLxC2E6OILc/видео.html
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ok thanks
It's a great entry level scooter for sure! - Chase
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks a lot for your feedback
The E22 is okay-ish. But it depends on the road conditions in your area. I personally won't recommend anything without a proper suspension. I also ended up getting an external battery pack to increase the distance.