A lot of what I see here is building an advantage slowly with great wave management. It would be great to have a video all about waves, using clips from these lessons and explaining in great detail the decision making centered around the wave management. Wave management seems to be the biggest gap between lower elo's.
@@DamianSzajnowski Yea ever since I started watching Neace I realised that wave management can win games by itself. I have slowly started to learn when to back, when to slowpush, when to fastpush, when to freeze etc and I've climbed from hardstuck Silver 3 to Gold 1. I climbed from Gold 4 to Gold 1 in one day lol. Haven't been playing too much lately though but I'm sure if I really started to grind again I'm sure I could hit Platinum 4-2 very fast. Here in Gold 1 I see my opponents on toplane and 90% of them are still completely clueless about wave management.
I froze a teemo for 10 minutes yesterday on Darius and ended the game with a quadra dunk. All thanks to Neace's videos like these on how to play weak side early and turn unfavorable matchups.
That was a bad renekton, it seems to me that he was more afraid of the fiora than the other way around. I personally hate going against fioras a main Renekton because if they know how to short trade with me before I've got 50% fury I lost trades so harrasing renektons before they build fury is key
Save your dash to follow her after she goes for a vital proc. Auto her until she panic parries then empW, end trade or continue for all in. This is super efficient if you’re managing the wave well, will easily kill her levels 3-5.
@@deftonesmetallica Your sentence was definitely odd when you said "I personally hate going against Fiora a main Renekton. It wasn't clear if you were implying if you mained Fiora or Renekton since the sentence didn't have a punction, which it then becomes obvious when you elaborate your perspective on the mu. Otherwise you could said you were a Fiora main and a Renekton main and it was just speculation on what you meant
You know, many video guides are like "dont worry about counterpicks" but it happens ALL the time. If you are Teemo toplane firstpick, you are going to have a hard time, same for Fiddlesticks jungle...you will get a tough matchup. Of course you can argue that it doesnt matter since it's poorly played but aside of that you are also at a disadvantage because of a champion's kit (cc champ vs Olaf) and brutal powerspikes.
Ya exactly. If youre equal skill level as your opponent and he counterpicks you, you are most likely gonna struggle with it, even though it isnt your opponents strongest pick.
Either you're higher elo than 99% of the people being coached, and don't realize that advice is for them and 99.9% of the comments section, or you're mischaracterizing champion identity mistakes and/or poor farming with matchups. Using the example you gave, an identity mistake would be holding your shrooms on Teemo and not spamming them off cooldown, to aggressively shove waves and set up traps. If you do not have the creep wave constantly hitting a side tower, letting you set up a trap near your team but out of sight while the wave 6th mans the tower, or you aren't poised to jump the first person who tries to clear the wave off that Tier 2, you have failed to grasp Teemo's identity, he is just a ranged minion. A farming error is when you aren't correctly last hitting, so however much CS you deny your opponent, they eventually catch up to you, and bullying them as a ranged top was pointless. If that's all you can do with your champion, is exploit people who don't understand how to play against ranged champions in a long lane as a melee, you're just cheating yourself out of learning the fundamentals, and it's biting you in the behind, not the matchup. I'm not saying don't play Teemo/Neeko/Ahri/Vayne whatever (don't abuse Vlad or you're the pink scum on dirty urinals), but if you're doing it to shortcut not learning the fundamentals you WILL hit a wall, and it's not always matchups. Every Garen player who has ever climbed beyond low Gold has learned how to not autolose simply because their opponent locked in Teemo, and nothing makes the game easier than when that Teemo player has no clue what to do with their champion. As for picking scaling champions that are easy to gank or invade, like Fiddlesticks, Kayle, Orianna, Veigar, you have to decide how the champions you're picking fit in with your goals. That might mean having a backup option for when you are one of the first 5 picks in the draft, adjusting your playstyle, or accepting you're going to climb more slowly than if you mained one of the champions in NEACE's high agency tier lists.
10:30 Disagree only because it's Fiora. You get that plate with auto Q auto E auto auto, takes about 4 seconds. Free refillable. With my setup demolish would be 2 plates in up to 8 seconds there.
Qiyana showed bot about 40 seconds earlier. She came through tri not through river so she probably cleared her botside already. Very likely that she was pathing up. Also gives fiora a weird back timer But thats in hindsight. Idk if neace was looking at that but thats what i saw rewatching it.
He spends the first 4:30 min talking about only wrong things, dont listen to a thing he says. Wrong runes, "impossible matchup" & the level 1 thing might just be the most grief thing ive ever seen in my life. At 9:20 the firoa trolls his lane and Neace responds with "thats bad for him (renek)"
Did Neace just happens to play Bravely Default recently? Been hearing Wicked Flight as background music for a while now...Not that am complaining, just curious.
Fights like around the 11 min are why I dislike the durability patch as a bruiser player. Earlier it's one of you dies here. Now it's a meh tradeout, bit boring. And if that's a "losing" Darius with that much health to survive the all-in, he auto wins with his passive and optionally ult.
He didn’t really carry that game. He got carried. Mindlessly split pushing doesn’t mean you carried. The guy doesn’t even know what to look for when he’s split pushing. Literally tunnel visioning the waves the whole time.
hahahahah, it was hard counter until last 2 years cus of buffs in a row with no nerfs to fiora that made her completely broken, even if its counter i perma ban fiora for last 2 years about 93% of time no matter what i play and even if i do pick renekton, chapion is that broken that it dont matter what you do you just automaticly lose,only ganks or player is lagging can save you and thats a big hope that someone will camp you or fiora is noobie or lags thats like very low % of chances.
A lot of what I see here is building an advantage slowly with great wave management. It would be great to have a video all about waves, using clips from these lessons and explaining in great detail the decision making centered around the wave management. Wave management seems to be the biggest gap between lower elo's.
I swear I sit and see people doing it and am like how did i miss the class that everyone has obviously taken
@@floyd5688 no one has, below diamond or higher, yet most of top lane is wave management and matchups
@@DamianSzajnowski Yea ever since I started watching Neace I realised that wave management can win games by itself. I have slowly started to learn when to back, when to slowpush, when to fastpush, when to freeze etc and I've climbed from hardstuck Silver 3 to Gold 1. I climbed from Gold 4 to Gold 1 in one day lol. Haven't been playing too much lately though but I'm sure if I really started to grind again I'm sure I could hit Platinum 4-2 very fast. Here in Gold 1 I see my opponents on toplane and 90% of them are still completely clueless about wave management.
@@floyd5688 it’s just something you have to learn on your own.
@@floyd5688 It's just from thousands of games, watching other player's games and watching your own replays!
Day 57 of convincing Neace he is a Teemo one trick
Imagine 😅😅
Ill get behind this
Sooo... We gaslighting neace now? I'm in.
I thought at one time he actually was..... or is that the joke.
MY MAN
I froze a teemo for 10 minutes yesterday on Darius and ended the game with a quadra dunk. All thanks to Neace's videos like these on how to play weak side early and turn unfavorable matchups.
That was a bad renekton, it seems to me that he was more afraid of the fiora than the other way around. I personally hate going against fioras a main Renekton because if they know how to short trade with me before I've got 50% fury I lost trades so harrasing renektons before they build fury is key
Hmm i'm glad I finished reading your comment. I was wondering if you had a stroke halfway through.
@@morrisgreg2176 XD you need to read more my dude, or remaing having the attention span of a goldfish
Save your dash to follow her after she goes for a vital proc. Auto her until she panic parries then empW, end trade or continue for all in. This is super efficient if you’re managing the wave well, will easily kill her levels 3-5.
@@deftonesmetallica Your sentence was definitely odd when you said "I personally hate going against Fiora a main Renekton.
It wasn't clear if you were implying if you mained Fiora or Renekton since the sentence didn't have a punction, which it then becomes obvious when you elaborate your perspective on the mu.
Otherwise you could said you were a Fiora main and a Renekton main and it was just speculation on what you meant
@@2BsYummySoles Sorry for my typo, english isn't my native language, for the record I main renekton
26:13 Eddie though lmfao
I've been waiting for a fiora coaching vid for a long time! finally
NEACE Ty I Was Hard Stuck Silver 4 And When I Started Watching You I Hit Gold In 2 Weeks
(:
But then he bought T1 merch and went down to iron after he got attacked by all the seniors in his high school and now he can barely walk. Lol
@@OBBOYSyummi player detected opinion rejected
@@Plunder46 0n0
I'm probably stupid, but didn't it show a WAY higher dps when he kept autoing in lvl 1 (01:50) instead of waiting for the vitals?
38:10, he did parry the Sylas and it was on CD while he was chasing Qiyana.
He means to parry the Sylas E... probably
@@itznoah-live6881 he parried him regardless, hence why Sylas got stunned
You know, many video guides are like "dont worry about counterpicks" but it happens ALL the time.
If you are Teemo toplane firstpick, you are going to have a hard time, same for Fiddlesticks jungle...you will get a tough matchup.
Of course you can argue that it doesnt matter since it's poorly played but aside of that you are also at a disadvantage because of a champion's kit (cc champ vs Olaf) and brutal powerspikes.
Ya exactly. If youre equal skill level as your opponent and he counterpicks you, you are most likely gonna struggle with it, even though it isnt your opponents strongest pick.
Either you're higher elo than 99% of the people being coached, and don't realize that advice is for them and 99.9% of the comments section, or you're mischaracterizing champion identity mistakes and/or poor farming with matchups. Using the example you gave, an identity mistake would be holding your shrooms on Teemo and not spamming them off cooldown, to aggressively shove waves and set up traps. If you do not have the creep wave constantly hitting a side tower, letting you set up a trap near your team but out of sight while the wave 6th mans the tower, or you aren't poised to jump the first person who tries to clear the wave off that Tier 2, you have failed to grasp Teemo's identity, he is just a ranged minion. A farming error is when you aren't correctly last hitting, so however much CS you deny your opponent, they eventually catch up to you, and bullying them as a ranged top was pointless.
If that's all you can do with your champion, is exploit people who don't understand how to play against ranged champions in a long lane as a melee, you're just cheating yourself out of learning the fundamentals, and it's biting you in the behind, not the matchup. I'm not saying don't play Teemo/Neeko/Ahri/Vayne whatever (don't abuse Vlad or you're the pink scum on dirty urinals), but if you're doing it to shortcut not learning the fundamentals you WILL hit a wall, and it's not always matchups. Every Garen player who has ever climbed beyond low Gold has learned how to not autolose simply because their opponent locked in Teemo, and nothing makes the game easier than when that Teemo player has no clue what to do with their champion.
As for picking scaling champions that are easy to gank or invade, like Fiddlesticks, Kayle, Orianna, Veigar, you have to decide how the champions you're picking fit in with your goals. That might mean having a backup option for when you are one of the first 5 picks in the draft, adjusting your playstyle, or accepting you're going to climb more slowly than if you mained one of the champions in NEACE's high agency tier lists.
14:10 Stephen Walking - Glide
10:30 Disagree only because it's Fiora. You get that plate with auto Q auto E auto auto, takes about 4 seconds. Free refillable. With my setup demolish would be 2 plates in up to 8 seconds there.
Qiyana showed bot about 40 seconds earlier.
She came through tri not through river so she probably cleared her botside already. Very likely that she was pathing up.
Also gives fiora a weird back timer
But thats in hindsight.
Idk if neace was looking at that but thats what i saw rewatching it.
I feel like this matchup doesn’t stress me too much you super out scale him.
He spends the first 4:30 min talking about only wrong things, dont listen to a thing he says.
Wrong runes, "impossible matchup" & the level 1 thing might just be the most grief thing ive ever seen in my life.
At 9:20 the firoa trolls his lane and Neace responds with "thats bad for him (renek)"
He gets ahold of that killer instinct and I think he'll climb well.
Keep up the great work niece, your videos really help
Anyone else say "What the fuck???" when that Qiyana made that flash at 27:30?
I love that stridebreaker is the only whip item that doesn't break your stride
it feels so weird to play fiora/noc with gore instead of stride
simply showing my apreciation
Good luck in Korea man, love your videos they are very good to learn from and entertaning 2 when you flame some student that dont listen🤣
Around the 20 minute mark... I haven't heard the nitro circus song in soooooo long holy shit
18:55 have to notice tp and just run down, unless someone else is there you're out
Have you ever thought about doing a video criticizing losing opponents of players you coached?
The lack of Chempunk Chainsword tilted me
Did Neace just happens to play Bravely Default recently? Been hearing Wicked Flight as background music for a while now...Not that am complaining, just curious.
Hey Neace what do you think about laughing at them while teasing?
only trynda can do that
IS THAT SHIBAYAN RECORDS IN THE BG
does anybody know the song at 22:00? its kinda catchy
Idk why but audio died at the 36 minute mark on the vid neace
Is that the music from the game Lost Castle?
why did the audio cut out?
Anyone else have sound cut out like 35 minutes into the video??
I guess I’m just an amazing fiora player cuz I don’t recall losing this matchup ever
Fights like around the 11 min are why I dislike the durability patch as a bruiser player. Earlier it's one of you dies here. Now it's a meh tradeout, bit boring. And if that's a "losing" Darius with that much health to survive the all-in, he auto wins with his passive and optionally ult.
is the bootcamp only for NA?
For everyone
9:25 really expecting "nae nae" after :(
Day 1 of helping Arixse convince Neace he is a Teemo one trick
hahahaha
He didn’t really carry that game. He got carried. Mindlessly split pushing doesn’t mean you carried. The guy doesn’t even know what to look for when he’s split pushing. Literally tunnel visioning the waves the whole time.
Is there a reason why renekton was always hard pushing?
who knows
15:00 broooo what the fuck is that music lol
renekton being the most impossible MU for fiora, lolrofllmao
Good student👍🏻
boot camp hypeee 🔥
Love the new stuff man good luck in korea!
what is he doing in korea? solo queuing?
Anyone know if he has like QandA type service?
For like if you just have some questions but don't want a coaching?
fiora renekton MOST IMPOSSIBLE MATCHUP? bruh try yasuo vs renekton and tell me which is worse
Okay what is the difference between this channel and the LoL Coaching one
One is just coaching and one is coaching and sometimes other stuff
Fiora op
off topic but Neace literally commented on a girl's IG I used to talk to lmao
👀
@@NEACE you have good taste my friend. also never realized she played league lol
REEENNNNNNNEEEEEEKKKKKKKTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRR
neace everything you said about autoing level 1 is irrelevant because you have q lol
hahahahah, it was hard counter until last 2 years cus of buffs in a row with no nerfs to fiora that made her completely broken, even if its counter i perma ban fiora for last 2 years about 93% of time no matter what i play and even if i do pick renekton, chapion is that broken that it dont matter what you do you just automaticly lose,only ganks or player is lagging can save you and thats a big hope that someone will camp you or fiora is noobie or lags thats like very low % of chances.
This renekton suck.