This is something people are reluctant to acknowledge. The correct scale track and stock really makes a difference. It’s when I look back at the other British Scales when I notice the ‘narrow gauge’ top heavy stance. A small detail but once you have noticed it, everything makes sense.
@@richardbradley2335in a nutshell yes. OO uses HO (halfO) track gauge based on 3.5mm/foot, but in early days motors and mechanisms were a struggle to fit in British outline models due to them being noticeably smaller than European locos in real life. The UK ‘load gauge’ in most cases is quite a bit smaller. To maintain a universal track system OO was created, but the downside is the ‘top heavy’ look, it’s more apparent now with so many superbly detailed and accurate models. EM, 4mm, P4 are all aimed at correcting the scale issue. Other British versions of scale suffer similarly, N is quite a broad church and O has errors. The old Tri-Ang TT was incorrect too, 3mm/foot when 2.54/foot is the correct scale or 1:120. Look at a TT:120 Loco head on and compare it’s stance to the other RTR British scale models. It becomes quite obvious. It’s always made it hard for the designers to get the ‘right look’ because of the narrow track/oversize body. For many it’s not a deal breaker but it is more pleasing to the eye to have the stock and track on a matching scale 😊
Wow great answer..thank you....also what a finicky bunch of bas....modellers !!!...you should see all the scales of figs in wargaming ,sheeeesh !@@HighFell
@@richardbradley2335 ha ha, seen those. Some pursue perfection, I like it to look right. With my TT:120 layout HighFell, I have used to N scale items and using ‘forced perspective’ I’m happy with it, the only person to please is the modeller themselves 👍
Great video guys, looking at starting a layout myself so this has really helped me,having a break from scale modelling need a new challenge.thanks for the great ideas/tips 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you. Making video series like this is all about sharing knowledge and helping people at any and all stages through their modelling. We have more of these planned for 2024 in N, OO and O gauges too.
It was great to see this layout in the "flesh" today at the great electric train show, it's a lovely layout and I'm amazed at the speed you managed to get this together. The only thing I would say is you might want to consider turning the layout 180 degrees at shows and putting the viaduct at the front. Having the higher baseboards, although an advantage to adults, meant my 7 year old and the wheelchair user we were with couldn't really see the layout from the station side. There wasn't room to get the wheelchair to the dropped baseboards at the back which would have allowed a viewing angle from lower down.
Thank you for the feedback and pleased to hear you liked seeing this new layout at the show. We will be taking it out again to the Warley exhibition in November and will look at its placement on our stand.
For the wiring I push the wires up through the board before then trimming and cutting, then you dont need to cut untl you have them where they need to be underneath
I have just finished watching the TT;120 video. Phew, Mike... you must slow down to let the subtitles produce english words! Thanks to Mark for being a relief speaker. I am sure that the layout will look wonderful despite the points mentioned. Best wishes. John.
This video is amazing. Thankyou so much. The only think that would make it better is if I could hear more clearly about the name of each product you use. Obviously TT is quite new so it can be hard to find these products.
Just an idea, but would be cool to make a working boat up and down the canal, using one of the systems for moving cars. Could use an elevating/lowering floor (or water) for the the middle of the lock and animated lock doors. Just a thought. haha
yeah I play with Z scale, and the smaller you go, most peoples instinct is to make smaller layouts, but really you want to go wider curves and longer running with more scenery.
TT has been around here in east germany for a long time, Tillig and Piko beeing the main sellers, they also have bigger selections of track and such on the market. . .
The work that is put into the railway layouts is amazing. So why is it Hornby and others always make the track in chrome and not a rust colour as tracks are?
Taken me ages to get around to watching this video. Can confirm, the Hornby code 80 and Peco code 55 track aren't quite compatible. Hornby's rail's base is slightly wider than peco's, so Peco fishplates don't fit hornby rail, and Hornby fishplates aren't yet available separate from the track. My TT:120 layout under construction, Birdforth, is formed of 2 4'x3' non-scenic end boards of a double track return loop (although the ends are separate), and 2 4'x1' scenic middle boards of a quadruple track line. And it's set between York and Thirsk at around 1980, as if Birdforth had gained a station instead of Pilmoor and Sessay, and it had lasted post-Beeching, so is up slow, up fast, down fast, down slow. So is actually a 2-track loop, squished together in the middle. But is being built so the end boards can be swapped out and a fiddle yard added along the back to be a 4-track line in the future when more is available (and the option to add more boards between 2 and 3 to make it longer if I want). I'm using 9mm ply, with 2x1 for framing (no crossbeams though), with folding down legs (boards 1 and 4 have 2 legs, board 2 has 1 leg, board 3 has no legs as it rests on 2 and 4), with the modeltech baseboard joints. And all the wires are 7/0.2, but soldered to the underside of the rails after removing a small section of webbing between the sleepers. 5 months in, I have all track laid and wired, backscenes on, and the scenery has started with the bridges at the scenic breaks under construction currently. But most will be done after christmas, when I have more of my scenic materials from my old 00 layout available to me. Work has been generally slow because I don't have a dedicated space for the layout, so I've been building it at club about once a fortnight, and doing other bits on my bed... I'm fortunate that Birdforth's first exhibition isn't until June (not only because of how much work is left to do on it, but also because of Hornby only having the blue 08 available for my era so far)...
On the Modeltech track aligner website it looks as if you can use the item on an angle, and it looks as if you have used it at an angle on the TT layout. It looks to me that the aligner would overhang the end of the board. Does this cause a problem when transporting the boards. ie do they get damaged?
Hi guys, I have gone on your website and tried to sign up for the free registration so that I can view part 2 of this series but every time I get an error and can’t sign up. I have emailed the website to get help but I’ve still not got a reply after a week. Any help? I’d like to sign up for a paid subscription but if I can’t even get the free one then there’s no point…
Mike said so in the video. He thinks he can do without, because it worked for the N scale layout they've built in the past. Personally, I think it sounds a bit noisy when the trains are running, so it might have been a good idea with underlay. I would definitely use underlay.
TT ,3mm gauge offers advantages in terms of size,as compared with 4mm,or 2mm,in terms of detailing, but the issue i have with Hornbys TT ,is the lack of models apart from LNER prototypes....id be interested ,if there were a broader range of locos and running stock....and ive seen nothing about any expansion of their range
There is a huge amount of information available about the next models to be introduced, some of which are on show at MK right now and then there are the next phase models that have been shown in engineering form and the phase 4 models have been announced since launch. If you can get hold of the Hornby TT:120 catalogue this first wave of publicly released information is detailed
If that timber is from a DIY store ,ie begins with the letter W or letter B ,wish mine was straight like you are using ,have had some awful timber in the packs then having to mess around taking back to exchange ,perhaps I should go and say my order is for Hornby lol ,looks good what you have done .
If you are going to a DIY store to get timber we recommend inspecting packs. We usually end up with half the rack out on the floor to pick the best out! 😅
Hallo Ruhig mal übers Internet nach Deutschland schauen. Die Spur TT hat dort eine große Fangemeinde und im Netz gibt es sehr viele Videos dazu. Grüße Mario
The models and kits have nothing to do with the publishing of the magazines. Those items earn there own profit when we buy them. All info is valuable in its own right, and every modeller should have a subscription to a magazine source to keep up with whats on and available and indeed to pick up many tips and trick that Mike and Co. £3.99 a month is a bargain considering all what is available to access and download. I appreciate that not all modellers wish to be consumers or up to the minute modellers.
… but thats H0 or smaller, … everybody speaks about Problems, jerky run-up, shaky wagons, no scaleconform tracks, wagons and locos are not in quality scale, there are people, who lay tracks in multiple floors, they drive, brake or accelerate too fast, and there are unnaturally much tracks.
Hornby - this is basically an advert for your products so how about demonetising it so I can enjoy it and consider whether I want to start a TT layout without the annoying (irrelevant) adverts?
We are not Hornby Model Railways. We are Key Publishing and we produce a publication titled 'Hornby Magazine'. In this series we are using items from Hornby, Peco, West Hill Wagon Works and many other brands. We place adverts on all our 'free' content, such as an hour long video series, as these videos are costly and time consuming to produce.
With all due respect, what is the point of T Gauge? N is about half of 00. Why have something in between? As a returner to modelling I looked at the space available and how much I could fit in. N was the answer, even though I have beautiful BR Flying Scotsman and Brittania in 00. Z was a better prospect but not much stock out there. TT seems pointless.... Talented guys though
Pointless for you, perfect for others. Small for small homes, more robust for clumsy young fingers and larger for failing old eyes plus... it's real scale and guage so much closer to modelling real world
@@cuebj Rule 1, but why pay so much more than N prices for many less choices. I've recently returned to the hobby, wanted Z, took N, thought TT 120 is pointless and don't have the space for 00. No choice and too expensive but each to their own.
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I love the look of TT. It looks more realistic than OO with the correct scale track width. Very nice!
This is something people are reluctant to acknowledge. The correct scale track and stock really makes a difference. It’s when I look back at the other British Scales when I notice the ‘narrow gauge’ top heavy stance. A small detail but once you have noticed it, everything makes sense.
Hello..@@HighFellIs this why modellers go for 4mm/P4 etc ?.....OO is actually wrong then ???
@@richardbradley2335in a nutshell yes. OO uses HO (halfO) track gauge based on 3.5mm/foot, but in early days motors and mechanisms were a struggle to fit in British outline models due to them being noticeably smaller than European locos in real life. The UK ‘load gauge’ in most cases is quite a bit smaller. To maintain a universal track system OO was created, but the downside is the ‘top heavy’ look, it’s more apparent now with so many superbly detailed and accurate models. EM, 4mm, P4 are all aimed at correcting the scale issue. Other British versions of scale suffer similarly, N is quite a broad church and O has errors. The old Tri-Ang TT was incorrect too, 3mm/foot when 2.54/foot is the correct scale or 1:120. Look at a TT:120 Loco head on and compare it’s stance to the other RTR British scale models. It becomes quite obvious. It’s always made it hard for the designers to get the ‘right look’ because of the narrow track/oversize body. For many it’s not a deal breaker but it is more pleasing to the eye to have the stock and track on a matching scale 😊
Wow great answer..thank you....also what a finicky bunch of bas....modellers !!!...you should see all the scales of figs in wargaming ,sheeeesh !@@HighFell
@@richardbradley2335 ha ha, seen those. Some pursue perfection, I like it to look right. With my TT:120 layout HighFell, I have used to N scale items and using ‘forced perspective’ I’m happy with it, the only person to please is the modeller themselves 👍
Fantastic work guys and such a lovely bunch of people 👍 cant wait for the next video!
Great work as always guys, super informative and great detailed guides
James
Great little layout it turned out to be too! 👍
Great video guys, looking at starting a layout myself so this has really helped me,having a break from scale modelling need a new challenge.thanks for the great ideas/tips 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you. Making video series like this is all about sharing knowledge and helping people at any and all stages through their modelling. We have more of these planned for 2024 in N, OO and O gauges too.
Table-Topley Dale
If you watch Sam's trains he shows all differences between all gauges a great series welcome tt120 nice for smaller homes !
It was great to see this layout in the "flesh" today at the great electric train show, it's a lovely layout and I'm amazed at the speed you managed to get this together.
The only thing I would say is you might want to consider turning the layout 180 degrees at shows and putting the viaduct at the front. Having the higher baseboards, although an advantage to adults, meant my 7 year old and the wheelchair user we were with couldn't really see the layout from the station side. There wasn't room to get the wheelchair to the dropped baseboards at the back which would have allowed a viewing angle from lower down.
Thank you for the feedback and pleased to hear you liked seeing this new layout at the show. We will be taking it out again to the Warley exhibition in November and will look at its placement on our stand.
Great work as always looking forward to seeing g the layout tomorrow
really informative, thank you so much
Looking forward to this.
For the wiring I push the wires up through the board before then trimming and cutting, then you dont need to cut untl you have them where they need to be underneath
I wish I'd seen this before building my last / current baseboards.
Great video guys.
I have just finished watching the TT;120 video. Phew, Mike... you must slow down to let the subtitles produce english words! Thanks to Mark for being a relief speaker. I am sure that the layout will look wonderful despite the points mentioned. Best wishes. John.
This is brilliant 👌
This video is amazing. Thankyou so much. The only think that would make it better is if I could hear more clearly about the name of each product you use. Obviously TT is quite new so it can be hard to find these products.
go to wickes and you can get the 9mm ply already cut to size off the shelf
Merry Christmas 🎉
Merry Christmas to you too, from all of us here at Hornby Magazine/Key Model World 😊
Just an idea, but would be cool to make a working boat up and down the canal, using one of the systems for moving cars. Could use an elevating/lowering floor (or water) for the the middle of the lock and animated lock doors. Just a thought. haha
yeah I play with Z scale, and the smaller you go, most peoples instinct is to make smaller layouts, but really you want to go wider curves and longer running with more scenery.
at 52:55 how do you fill in the gap where there aren't any sleepers? i have always struggled with this.
TT has been around here in east germany for a long time, Tillig and Piko beeing the main sellers, they also have bigger selections of track and such on the market. . .
The work that is put into the railway layouts is amazing. So why is it Hornby and others always make the track in chrome and not a rust colour as tracks are?
Taken me ages to get around to watching this video.
Can confirm, the Hornby code 80 and Peco code 55 track aren't quite compatible. Hornby's rail's base is slightly wider than peco's, so Peco fishplates don't fit hornby rail, and Hornby fishplates aren't yet available separate from the track.
My TT:120 layout under construction, Birdforth, is formed of 2 4'x3' non-scenic end boards of a double track return loop (although the ends are separate), and 2 4'x1' scenic middle boards of a quadruple track line. And it's set between York and Thirsk at around 1980, as if Birdforth had gained a station instead of Pilmoor and Sessay, and it had lasted post-Beeching, so is up slow, up fast, down fast, down slow. So is actually a 2-track loop, squished together in the middle. But is being built so the end boards can be swapped out and a fiddle yard added along the back to be a 4-track line in the future when more is available (and the option to add more boards between 2 and 3 to make it longer if I want).
I'm using 9mm ply, with 2x1 for framing (no crossbeams though), with folding down legs (boards 1 and 4 have 2 legs, board 2 has 1 leg, board 3 has no legs as it rests on 2 and 4), with the modeltech baseboard joints. And all the wires are 7/0.2, but soldered to the underside of the rails after removing a small section of webbing between the sleepers.
5 months in, I have all track laid and wired, backscenes on, and the scenery has started with the bridges at the scenic breaks under construction currently. But most will be done after christmas, when I have more of my scenic materials from my old 00 layout available to me. Work has been generally slow because I don't have a dedicated space for the layout, so I've been building it at club about once a fortnight, and doing other bits on my bed...
I'm fortunate that Birdforth's first exhibition isn't until June (not only because of how much work is left to do on it, but also because of Hornby only having the blue 08 available for my era so far)...
dremels quick release cutting discs dont tend to shatter if they snag far better quality
You can use tillig tt or kuehn tt gauge track not just hornby and peco track.
On the Modeltech track aligner website it looks as if you can use the item on an angle, and it looks as if you have used it at an angle on the TT layout. It looks to me that the aligner would overhang the end of the board. Does this cause a problem when transporting the boards. ie do they get damaged?
Very nice.
From Australia, I don't understand the purpose of the alignment piece????
You forgot to follow your own advice to use eye protection when cutting the track rail with the Dremel rotary tool!
Oooohhh there’s always one isn’t there!!!!
super 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Good job
What size of the Modeltech joiner did you use for the TT track?
I can only see HO and N gauge.
Cheers
Russ
The product is listed on their website as the TT120 - ProTrack Rail Aligner. It's there, about half way down the page.
Shame that you aren't doing the platform in OO scale as I would definitely buy.
They are on the list for the future 😃
I think your platform loop needs to be a little bit longer.
Hi guys, I have gone on your website and tried to sign up for the free registration so that I can view part 2 of this series but every time I get an error and can’t sign up. I have emailed the website to get help but I’ve still not got a reply after a week. Any help? I’d like to sign up for a paid subscription but if I can’t even get the free one then there’s no point…
Hi there. Please call our office 'Key Publishing' and someone will help you sort the issue out. There may be a bug, we will look into that too 😊😊
@@hornbymag thanks for the reply but I live in Australia!
@@willcook2030 Ah ok, please email us at hornbymagazine@keypublishing.com and someone will help you out 😊
Any chance of a similar series with n gauge?
It’s in our list 😊
Hello,
mybe a silly question. But why don`t you use cork or rubber under the tracks? I assume that it might be more silent .
Kind regards from Germany
I noticed that too. I was thinking something was missing. Interesting choice for them not to do any underly.
i dont use it either i find once you ballast track it negates the purpose of the underlay
Mike said so in the video. He thinks he can do without, because it worked for the N scale layout they've built in the past. Personally, I think it sounds a bit noisy when the trains are running, so it might have been a good idea with underlay. I would definitely use underlay.
@@stormbowman7148.. And get rid of those nasty track pins 👍👍
see you on sunday. interested in the kits too. caroline
Fab
How come you don't caption your content and make it accessible for everyone? :(
If you click on the CC button on the player here on RUclips, subtitles come up/turn on. RUclips does this automatically. 😊
TT ,3mm gauge offers advantages in terms of size,as compared with 4mm,or 2mm,in terms of detailing, but the issue i have with Hornbys TT ,is the lack of models apart from LNER prototypes....id be interested ,if there were a broader range of locos and running stock....and ive seen nothing about any expansion of their range
There is a huge amount of information available about the next models to be introduced, some of which are on show at MK right now and then there are the next phase models that have been shown in engineering form and the phase 4 models have been announced since launch. If you can get hold of the Hornby TT:120 catalogue this first wave of publicly released information is detailed
@@HighFell thank you for the info ,mdear...
If that timber is from a DIY store ,ie begins with the letter W or letter B ,wish mine was straight like you are using ,have had some awful timber in the packs then having to mess around taking back to exchange ,perhaps I should go and say my order is for Hornby lol ,looks good what you have done .
If you are going to a DIY store to get timber we recommend inspecting packs. We usually end up with half the rack out on the floor to pick the best out! 😅
It’s B&Q wood, can tell by the labels
Aldi Parkside tools by the looks of it, love them tools
Can I ask what height the top of the baseboards are please?
He said 1.1 metres.
We have an N Gauge Club layout, and have also adopted a height of 1.1 metres.
We are all getting older, and it makes getting under the layout easier🤣
Hallo
Ruhig mal übers Internet nach Deutschland schauen. Die Spur TT hat dort eine große Fangemeinde und im Netz gibt es sehr viele Videos dazu.
Grüße Mario
Tt120 what is the actual scale? Is it. 1/120th scale ?
yes 1/120 scale
Ja der Maßstab ist 1/120 mit Spurweite 12mm.
Grüße aus Germany
TT - Mario
Clue is in the name TT:120
Looks great in TT what size would the layout be OO scale. don't like being forced to buy subscription to see the finish of the series.
And I'm sure the guys don't like to work for free... 😉
@@stormbowman7148 They work to sell the models and the kits isn't that enough.
The models and kits have nothing to do with the publishing of the magazines. Those items earn there own profit when we buy them. All info is valuable in its own right, and every modeller should have a subscription to a magazine source to keep up with whats on and available and indeed to pick up many tips and trick that Mike and Co. £3.99 a month is a bargain considering all what is available to access and download. I appreciate that not all modellers wish to be consumers or up to the minute modellers.
Honestly from the camera distance it just looks same size as N gauge pretty much.
It’s definitely a lot larger than N gauge
Well it’s not.
Yes it is!
@@jmhmkr104 It's behind you!
Got the subscription to watch the rest of this series, But I cant find it on your site. Please assist 🙏
Part 2 is out this Friday, part 3 the one after and part 4 the one after that 😊
… but thats H0 or smaller, …
everybody speaks about Problems, jerky run-up, shaky wagons,
no scaleconform tracks, wagons and locos are not in quality scale,
there are people, who lay tracks in multiple floors,
they drive, brake or accelerate too fast, and there are unnaturally much tracks.
"How To's" should be free.
Hornby - this is basically an advert for your products so how about demonetising it so I can enjoy it and consider whether I want to start a TT layout without the annoying (irrelevant) adverts?
We are not Hornby Model Railways. We are Key Publishing and we produce a publication titled 'Hornby Magazine'. In this series we are using items from Hornby, Peco, West Hill Wagon Works and many other brands. We place adverts on all our 'free' content, such as an hour long video series, as these videos are costly and time consuming to produce.
Apologies @@hornbymag I assumed you were Hornby Model Railways
@@mehmeh6280 It's a common mistake that many people make 😊
With all due respect, what is the point of T Gauge? N is about half of 00. Why have something in between? As a returner to modelling I looked at the space available and how much I could fit in. N was the answer, even though I have beautiful BR Flying Scotsman and Brittania in 00. Z was a better prospect but not much stock out there. TT seems pointless.... Talented guys though
Pointless for you, perfect for others. Small for small homes, more robust for clumsy young fingers and larger for failing old eyes plus... it's real scale and guage so much closer to modelling real world
@@cuebj Rule 1, but why pay so much more than N prices for many less choices. I've recently returned to the hobby, wanted Z, took N, thought TT 120 is pointless and don't have the space for 00. No choice and too expensive but each to their own.
I’m afraid I did get fed up with seeing the base board go up and down 🥱