Podcast and chill needs to have this kind of a segment every 3 months to give the chillers a review of South Africas current standing in politics, economical standing, arts and culture etc
Jan Moganwa is the smartest person on the table his understanding of South African politics, economics and society is unmatched. I mean this man was a CEO of old mutual, he was an executive at absa, standard bank, telkom and many big companies but his the one who speaks for the poor in a table where the is no one richer than him for zamas the guy with the cap to think he can debate Jan on economics with his micro understanding of economics was frustrating for me. Eugene didn't belong on this table his clueless on political issues. We needed a sizwe mphofu Welsh of SMWX to balance views. We could have got more from this discussion.
I'm disappointed in chillers days2 and only 53 likes... we need to get woke guyz ngeke. Eugene should have chaired, yes he seemed not that knowledgeable but he is strong opinionated with a good moral compass, Sol was too quite kanti we know he would have destroyed plus Jan Moganwa and Sizwe that would have been something else... way above the scope then Podcast's contents but extremely informative to the everyday chiller
Politics has different meanings to the privileged and lower class. The guy with the white hair understands. The rest of the panel is likely to worry about property taxes, rates, inflation and all, while the ordinary South African will worry if they will be having a meal that night.
Jan Moganwa is the only one possessed of clarity of thought. The podcast is a national treasure please invite people who care about the nation, particularly the black colonised.
I’m the first one, I’m so intrigued by politics now , and I personally feel like with the influence of social media , I am now invested in politics man , I don’t if vele is the influence or vele politics now is interesting 😅😅I love it man ❤
Black middle class is lost. These two, zimasa and Eugene, leaning towards white, they make noise, and are not telling full truth. Guys white need nothing, the first problem is with black people. Talk growth, economy jobs, but if dey can't close gap between black and white, problem will remain
I AGREE. ALL THESE GUYS ARE TALKING FROM A POINT OF PREVILEGE. HE IS THE ONLY 1 THAT IS SPEAKING FROM THE WORKING CLASS POINT OF VIEW. THE ECONOMY CAN GROW BUT NOT FOR EVERY1. OUR SALARIES ARE INCREASING AT A VERY LOW RATE EVEN WHN THE ECONOMY IS GOING THROUGH AN UPSWING.
The only SA politics panel that matters... There's no unnecessary biases here, just intellectuals speaking Facts! Danko Podcast and Chill and my crush, Dudu
Truly speaking, these two are intellectuals who want to say the right things without paying any attention to the reality. This white guy, represent white, Jan represents black and rightly so, the other two, are followers of white people, using their intellect to confuse many uneducated blacks
Ntate Jan Moganwa made much more sense in this panel discussion!!! This man understands SA's socio-economic landscape n how to solve it! And the more he speaks, the more it becomes apparent that the EFF is possibly the only political party with a great plan for our country! It's unfortunate that our people are very scared of change... Evidently...
Granted BUT the EFF has more than 10 years of hard work, consistency n political experience under its belt! It's dynamic n vibrant unlike the PA. Ths MK is still fresh so I can't say I fully trust it since it was also formed to mostly push Zuma's personal vendetta.
Jan Monangwa understand this country more than anyone on that table, we need more south Africans like him to move SA forward and I can't say much about the other two other than their havard English.
Zimasa, is softened. He is just pushing propaganda, much like Eugene, dey stand with the winners, a typical black middle class. Sham stand with white, Jan stand with blacks, Eugene and Zimasa are appeasers
Any black trying defend Ramaphosa, for choosing DA is a liar of note. Julius was de first one 2 say, dey r ready to talk, without any demand, DA never said that, actually dey negotiated in the background. Dey concluded de deal in de background, that s y Zille said, ANC can't bring any partner without into GNU without them approving, nor can dey make any cabinet appointment.
Zimasa always starts with saying ''let's look at the bigger picture '' u can't think big by being ordinary 🙌🏾🤞🏿I think that's where he is being misunderstood.
Eugene only got private high school English and he seems overly enthusiastic about nothing. Zimas, on the other hand, is a fool to think that we are equal to the masters and can negotiate with them. Mike is Renaldo with RUclips Channel and knows how to hold his temper.
Eugene is politically illiterate Zimasa is a white man trapped in black skin, he talks out of comfort This white man is just straight Biast white and HATES EFF with passion Only Ntate Jan is facing reality here and pointing out real issues for the whole nation irrespective of skin color
I don't care what anyone says, this podcast is world class. This panel was amazingly diverse in personality and view points, and very entertaining. Big ups Sol and MacG!!!
Thank you. I'm middle class who voted for EFF because it was not only about me but where I came from. From township to city does not mean I have to detached myself from reality of many
i seriously believe that this podcast would be more influential if they could host such an episode at least twice a month..... much love from namibia....i really enjoyed this one
I can listen to Jan Moganwa and Mike Sham all day... I don't agree with everything they say, but their way of simplifying an argument and articulate points without trying to sound smarter than the other guys.
In this conversation you hear a white guy with a few other middle class black guys who don't necessarily speak the language of poor black people ekasi "there's a missing voice in this table"
Agree. Let’s not patronise poor people in this by saying we are the business. The man ekasi who runs a business is not consulted on policy, the rich big businesses are.
We are blessed to have such platforms.I dont watch tv anymore cos the journalists are biased. I watch podcasts and Im learning a lot. Thank you guys for blessing us with such information for free.The only thing I do is to watch till the end, watch all the ads,click like and share. Shout out to Sol Phenduka,I love this guy ,and I watch & listen to anything with his name. I even play his music. Solomzi,you go boy! ! . The Panrl is great!!! We appreciate you guys ❤.
His mind is white washed .He thinks like them by thinking black people are stupid and how come they have wealth the reason why whites question every black person that moves into their neighbourhood.
Zimasa is the only one that was not backed by emotions, but facts. You talk about struggles of the black nation and unfortunately beings emotional is not gonna help those struggles. Facts are what we need.
Early in the video they really sound like middle class who gatekeep positions, even Natate Jan made a reference to that effect, really disappointing. Ntate Jan understands that only by uplifting each other can we win, but towards the end I heard their tone change a bit to be fair.
As a middle class black man it's actually shocking to me that middle class blacks still think like this I mean by now we all should be knowing that even this middle class status we think we have is just a fake front. We're the "Middle class" but we're drowning in debt and are slaves to our employers who at one mistake can easily pull the rugg from underneath our feet and it's right back to poverty 😢
I agree with Ntate Moganwa, regarding South Africans being immigrants of Zimbabwe in 10 years. If we do not change, things are going to be bad for us all.
This young boys the act so smart.i only hear one guy here nd the rest ayikhooona..can u please bring bo jj David matured conversation yazi.this young one
I was listening to this in my sleep, I honestly haven't heard anyone speak and frostan politics like this man on the right of Eugene. He said in relation to decision-making in the ANC: "Is management making decisions in the best interest of shareholders?"
I love the discussion on the table and different view. We need more of such conversations might not be weekly or monthly but once in a while, whethere high views or not
These are a certain class of the clever blacks, SMWX knows who to pick when coming to politics and black struggles. The guy with grey hair tried to shed a light but the twanging group was not grasping it!
When will you guys accept that life/politics is not a group work and everyone is allowed to have different opinions. Its like religion we Christians believe christianity is the real deal but you will still find other religions pushing their things . Stop calling people clever blacks
@@SA_CrimeWatchEveryone is entitled to their own opinions, yes! But we have to be intelligent with our thinking, a personal opinion does not make sense when speaking on broad issues. Eugene and the other guy in green are using their personal experiences to speak on politics and the economy hence their points are wayward in the South African sense.
Sad to see so many blacks on the table not challenging Mike Sham on his statement on black aspiration not being reflected in the EFF! Eugene Even snapping a finger saying "100%" sies! 5 ppl actually agreeing ya ya ya on the topic of politics? no ways i was expecting a debate and atleast those 5 guys challenging each other and expressing their real views not just sit there and enjoy platform on the Podcast. i am commenting this way because i respect that platform and my respect for it has always originated from the fact that u dont come to that podcast and talk rubbish n be just left like that, either MacG or Sol WILL grill you and have u explaining yourself including our chillers. I'm no politician but i can tell you now that even my 12 yr old son knows that the EFF Does have alot of black aspirations reflected in it and has a very strong desire of ensuring that the black youth of this country succeeds and progress as the white youth of this country!
It's really sad pro, it's like this show is sponsored by DA, I couldn't even finish watching this show, because they De-campaign EFF everytime they get.
@@shimidioke1895 money talks, DA and its funders have deep pockets. whats really sad is macg and sol pretend to be champions of blacks but the kak they catching on now is just crazy and anti black.
Funny thing is that these two young men can't talk and side with the black constituency, dey actually saying incorrect things through deliberate motive or gross ignorance
True , I was surprised when Zimasa said MK and EFF didn't do well with their negotiations for joining GNU , that time it's very obvious that Anc was never going to work with Mk or EFF even if they said the right things during negotiations , Why would Anc of ANCs president work with people who are against their agenda ??? Anc chose D.A because they have the same handlers it's that obvious and simple .....D.A and Anc coalition was decided way before elections its very clear to see & I fail to understand how people don't see it ......I mean it's no coincidence that all the parties funded by WMC just happen to be the ones accepted in GNU ( D.A , Anc , IFP)
Mr Jan Moganwa well done, don't worry they don't want to listen to you now, but history will judge them harshly as well. The status quo doesn't work for the majority of SAs yet they are comfortable with it. It's a pity they never understood Gadaffi's policies and administration, surely they only understood the western version of him.
The advantage of being a young democracy and a developing country with less infrastructure is that we do not need to tear down old to space for new, we go straight to current while preparing for future. So we need to learn from those 100,200 yr democracies and adjust to suite our situation now and forecast. So yes, we can compare for the sake of learning with the aim to implement a good solution.
To add on what the guy in the cap is saying about taxes and spending (When the businesses are failing they tend to increase prices for their goods and services to try and stay afloat to also afford high interests rates and rent'), SA doesn't do deflation. High prices remain even when the interest rates go down (fuel, mortgage and some' do go down). Imported goods tend to be cheaper that local products which is what kills our exportation.
Beautiful stuff. We need these types of conversations more often as youth. As much as Mac is overseas I think Sol is doing more justice to these type of topics more then Mac. Keep it up guys!!!
this conversation would be different had the GNU agreement was made public, we would have seen how the DA has the last say in the current government, the discussion is on the tangent
In a nutshellJan moganwa understands anarchy very well.... he can see it miles away Like Ricky said take care of the young ones Jan says take care of the poor, understand them .... They will rise¡!! Ignore them..... they will rip intestines to get to the key
1:02:02 yup! I’ve personally seen this effect in Zim during our GNU. Did some work for an arm of government and for the months l would come in… l realized the folks were very much the same
Okay now this was interesting to watch. We need to have an episode like this once a month towards the end of the month to have a recap of What is going on in our country. It hit me when the other guy said we don't know our ministers anymore because I'm guilty. I don't pay attention anymore.
Zimasa and Eugene have lost the plot, just speaking from a point of privilege. The white guy speaks from a point of view of a white person, the guy with white hair is on point. He understands politics and economics, the ANC never wanted to talk with the EFF and MK. DA said they won't work with both parties, so ANC aligning with the DA knew there is no chance of them adding the EFF and MK into that coalition. This GNU or Grand Coalition is only going to benefit big business and mostly rich people. The middle class will suffer while the poor will remain poor, capitalism is always aboit profits and never about maling the lives of the workers better.
43:44 yes economic growth is important but it does not mean reduced inequality! Reform policy’s such as progressive taxation, social safety nets and property reduction have to come with that economic growth.
Podcast and chill needs to have this kind of a segment every 3 months to give the chillers a review of South Africas current standing in politics, economical standing, arts and culture etc
True
Agreed
Agreed brother
Once a month
With Eugene presenting or analysing
Jan Moganwa made this conversation worthwhile. He is the kind of African elder we need for guidance.
Ntate Jan Morgan Moganwa was right this is a man who understands the dynamics of South Africa!! Speaking as a man from KZN
Hes speaking from wisdom and experience. Guy in the green speaks as a scholar using theory he crammed from books
Jan Moganwa is the smartest person on the table his understanding of South African politics, economics and society is unmatched. I mean this man was a CEO of old mutual, he was an executive at absa, standard bank, telkom and many big companies but his the one who speaks for the poor in a table where the is no one richer than him for zamas the guy with the cap to think he can debate Jan on economics with his micro understanding of economics was frustrating for me. Eugene didn't belong on this table his clueless on political issues. We needed a sizwe mphofu Welsh of SMWX to balance views. We could have got more from this discussion.
Sizwe was gonna eat them up
You just said exactly what i was thinking 😭
I'm disappointed in chillers days2 and only 53 likes... we need to get woke guyz ngeke.
Eugene should have chaired, yes he seemed not that knowledgeable but he is strong opinionated with a good moral compass, Sol was too quite kanti we know he would have destroyed plus Jan Moganwa and Sizwe that would have been something else... way above the scope then Podcast's contents but extremely informative to the everyday chiller
Politics has different meanings to the privileged and lower class. The guy with the white hair understands. The rest of the panel is likely to worry about property taxes, rates, inflation and all, while the ordinary South African will worry if they will be having a meal that night.
Say that again
I thought I noticed that too. They all think alike. There were no alternative opinions.
I felt like im looking at a bunch of clueless fellows and one professor(Political analyst(White hair brother)).
Guys, yes. The other two, are just sent agents to deflect real issues, only touching issues which will not anger white constituency.
Felt like I was watching multi-party charter campaign 😂
Jan Moganwa is the only one possessed of clarity of thought. The podcast is a national treasure please invite people who care about the nation, particularly the black colonised.
This guy is spot on
These influencer analytics are bad 😂
He is amazing, we need more of him
@@tsheponcamane2018 he really is….Astute in thought.
@@socoafrica9912 they are like the so called analysts who tell us nonsense on tv everyday.
Jan Mogwana, is a Gem 👌 so spot on.
Only one person who spoke for the ordinary people of South africa
Stop expecting politicians to be social activists who “talk” for the masses. We need economic geniuses who ACT for the masses.
@@vusimthethwa8031 you can ACT for the masses and also be sympathetic..
This platform is gonna make more young people interested in Politics.
I’m the first one, I’m so intrigued by politics now , and I personally feel like with the influence of social media , I am now invested in politics man , I don’t if vele is the influence or vele politics now is interesting 😅😅I love it man ❤
Yes I love this
Where is JJ Tabane to tell Mike he is extreme....that Jan Moganwa guy is fire 🔥🔥
Black middle class is lost. These two, zimasa and Eugene, leaning towards white, they make noise, and are not telling full truth. Guys white need nothing, the first problem is with black people. Talk growth, economy jobs, but if dey can't close gap between black and white, problem will remain
I AGREE. ALL THESE GUYS ARE TALKING FROM A POINT OF PREVILEGE. HE IS THE ONLY 1 THAT IS SPEAKING FROM THE WORKING CLASS POINT OF VIEW. THE ECONOMY CAN GROW BUT NOT FOR EVERY1. OUR SALARIES ARE INCREASING AT A VERY LOW RATE EVEN WHN THE ECONOMY IS GOING THROUGH AN UPSWING.
jj was left out intentionally. he was too hard on mike last time.
@@shaun1463 Maybe he was unavailable
I laughed at that 😅
Jan Moganwa spoke for the masses
They ignore his truth if we don't fix this South Africa is in trouble,you can't ignore the poor
Can we have another round table with people who are not that far detached from reality .
Yes, I hope Mcgee see that
Yes please
Lol ey because Eugene & Zimasa are miles away from reality in their complexes 😅😅
True, but Khoza said that they voted to keep their lifestyle 😂 damn all those poor people it's his problem basically.
@@phumelelomthimude8082 and he was so happy for saying that 👀.
This guy with grey hair is speaking for the poor.
And he is telling the true.
But I don't see anyone understanding him .
i like him
Iyhooooo!!! he is in touch with reality but the one next to him with all black is damn empty with good accent.
🕯🕯🕯For Lord JJ Tabane To Have A Show In Podcast and Chill Family 🕯🕯🕯
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🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️
You are right 🕯 🕯 🕎
Amen! It will happen,I pray for the same thing. 😊
i love how Jan Moganwa explains things
I love how the white hair guy always brings the conversation back to the ground.
Yahhh Sol was sleeping😂😂
“ They even Swallow the key” 🔥
His the smartest guy on this panel he has a broader understanding of South African politics, economics and society
Balance ewe
Absolutely
The only SA politics panel that matters... There's no unnecessary biases here, just intellectuals speaking Facts! Danko Podcast and Chill and my crush, Dudu
Truly speaking, these two are intellectuals who want to say the right things without paying any attention to the reality. This white guy, represent white, Jan represents black and rightly so, the other two, are followers of white people, using their intellect to confuse many uneducated blacks
I think it’s a rubbish panels only the Citizans guy is objective knowledgeable and well researched…
Ntate Jan Moganwa made much more sense in this panel discussion!!! This man understands SA's socio-economic landscape n how to solve it! And the more he speaks, the more it becomes apparent that the EFF is possibly the only political party with a great plan for our country! It's unfortunate that our people are very scared of change... Evidently...
Not EFF only. Mk,PAC, all leftist parties
Granted BUT the EFF has more than 10 years of hard work, consistency n political experience under its belt! It's dynamic n vibrant unlike the PA. Ths MK is still fresh so I can't say I fully trust it since it was also formed to mostly push Zuma's personal vendetta.
Jan Monangwa understand this country more than anyone on that table, we need more south Africans like him to move SA forward and I can't say much about the other two other than their havard English.
Lost ais zimasa and Eugene is clueless
They lack simplicity 😂😂@@CyrilMabela
Eugene, needs to live outside the Estate/ Complex in his reasoning
I agree with you eix
He didn't belong in this round table JJ should have been in his place
He had poor reasoning and opinions. What a disappointment
We really didn’t need him here.. he is saying a whole lot of nothing😂😂
Zimasa has his head firmly in the clouds, suspiciously so. But I'll leave it there.
Jan has the kind of mind we need in our government, in leadership.
I disagree with you on Zimasa....but i concur on Jan...👌
Zimasa, is softened. He is just pushing propaganda, much like Eugene, dey stand with the winners, a typical black middle class. Sham stand with white, Jan stand with blacks, Eugene and Zimasa are appeasers
Your statement on Zimasa is somewhat head firmly on the clouds Zimasa is just the kind of economic leadership we need in South Africa
Any black trying defend Ramaphosa, for choosing DA is a liar of note. Julius was de first one 2 say, dey r ready to talk, without any demand, DA never said that, actually dey negotiated in the background. Dey concluded de deal in de background, that s y Zille said, ANC can't bring any partner without into GNU without them approving, nor can dey make any cabinet appointment.
Zimasa always starts with saying ''let's look at the bigger picture '' u can't think big by being ordinary 🙌🏾🤞🏿I think that's where he is being misunderstood.
"If we keep ignoring serious issues, like land and minerals. They will catch up with us one day " 😢😢
The numbers might not do well on this episode but we need this content gents. Please don’t stop this segment… please guys
Zimasa is brains. He is well read and open minded. Mjita never stumbles no min e his words. Uyashelela. He is what I want to be in my field.
True that. But is always a deflecta too, only says things to please the markets and government.
@@CyrilMabela I don’t think so. He gives a multilayered answers, often seem like a deflection to a layman.
I disagree
@@confidencentombifuthi9977 That’s fine.
True but I disagree with some of his views here
Eugene only got private high school English and he seems overly enthusiastic about nothing. Zimas, on the other hand, is a fool to think that we are equal to the masters and can negotiate with them. Mike is Renaldo with RUclips Channel and knows how to hold his temper.
Eugene is politically illiterate
Zimasa is a white man trapped in black skin, he talks out of comfort
This white man is just straight Biast white and HATES EFF with passion
Only Ntate Jan is facing reality here and pointing out real issues for the whole nation irrespective of skin color
Summarized them well
Can't believe people tried to take Eugene to parliament.
Aaai some people should stay on their lane.. Eugene should stick to trying to be comedian
😂😂😂
I still would've loved to hear JJ's view!!!!!!
Me2❤
Eugene likes the sound of his own voice. hai... he says nothing with so much confidence
😂😂😂he says a lot without saying anything
Zero shame
@@ernestmajenge635clever blacks😂
His very clueless bra😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
a group of gents having a dope conversation
True 👍
I don't care what anyone says, this podcast is world class. This panel was amazingly diverse in personality and view points, and very entertaining. Big ups Sol and MacG!!!
Next time they should bring JJ and Sizwe Mpofu
Jan is on another level politically, not taking anything away from everyone 🤝
I wasn’t protecting my wealth as Eugene is saying. I voted EFF cause I believe we need socialism. And we need to make it work
Thank you. I'm middle class who voted for EFF because it was not only about me but where I came from. From township to city does not mean I have to detached myself from reality of many
@@DineoDinnyDee amen
i seriously believe that this podcast would be more influential if they could host such an episode at least twice a month..... much love from namibia....i really enjoyed this one
Naaah jiki jiki chillers will get tired of politicez
Chillers wanna hear about bums...not these serious topics.
Jan Mogwana is the one man that's thinking in this round table. 👌🏿🔥
I can listen to Jan Moganwa and Mike Sham all day... I don't agree with everything they say, but their way of simplifying an argument and articulate points without trying to sound smarter than the other guys.
Thank you for your comment!
In this conversation you hear a white guy with a few other middle class black guys who don't necessarily speak the language of poor black people ekasi "there's a missing voice in this table"
Agree. Let’s not patronise poor people in this by saying we are the business. The man ekasi who runs a business is not consulted on policy, the rich big businesses are.
Mr Jan tried to be the that vioce but he was outnumbered and easily dismissed each time he tried to raise valid points.
The grey hair havin guy makes more sense to me... The other guys i feel like they are speakin out of privilege
I love 💕 them all
True 🙌🏾
"How far is capital willing to share the profits?"
Ntate Moganwa asking the right questions.
Zimasa is literally talking jack.
Ntate Jan Moganwa what an intellectual.
Lela grootman neutralized le convo. Really stood up for the masses at every point
We are blessed to have such platforms.I dont watch tv anymore cos the journalists are biased. I watch podcasts and Im learning a lot. Thank you guys for blessing us with such information for free.The only thing I do is to watch till the end, watch all the ads,click like and share. Shout out to Sol Phenduka,I love this guy ,and I watch & listen to anything with his name. I even play his music. Solomzi,you go boy! ! . The Panrl is great!!! We appreciate you guys ❤.
Zimasa is such a tank man! Very knowledgeable and has a great way of explaining current affairs for the betterment of a person new to the topic
We need this on a six months time period, this is to reflect on whether progress is underway or not.
I would love to see Helen Zilla on the podcast being interviewed by Sol, now that will be
🔥🔥
He won't survive, that granny is handled by Clement and JJ
She has enough media press from her masters "stellenbosch mafia family" i don't why you want that racist on the show🙄
McG would still ask her when was the last time she got smashed.
That's the only epispde I will not watch.I don't like that racist gogo.
we don't need racist granny here
I think you should bring youth from the top 5 parties so have such conversations one time. ANC DA MK EFF IFP only the youth
Yes
Wow, I can't resist loving you big 5 guys ❤❤❤❤❤
I wish we could have episodes like this every month and not only when it is election season
Eugene Khoza never cared of the low class and he never hides it. I noticed when he questioned Skomota's shine to fame.
His mind is white washed .He thinks like them by thinking black people are stupid and how come they have wealth the reason why whites question every black person that moves into their neighbourhood.
zimasa is getting lost, the problem about middle rich black people tend to forget the real struggle of the black nation 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Elaborate
Recruited to white agenda
Zimasa is the only one that was not backed by emotions, but facts. You talk about struggles of the black nation and unfortunately beings emotional is not gonna help those struggles. Facts are what we need.
U r not wrong I'm with u on this one
💯 he gets everything wrong. Watch the 1st episode he was terrible in his predictions, and even now, his analysis is well off.
Thank you Jan Mogwana for representing the layman in the midst of Middle class centralist like Eugene.
Khoza and Zimasa are the voice of middle class, this is how they speak their contribution to SA's success is tax
Raising up their hands to be picked by whites.
And they have narrow views the guy with the cap frustrated me with his micro understanding of the economy
People wanted to send Khoza to parliament 😢 imagine this guy being our voice. He is a peek definition of Clever black
Early in the video they really sound like middle class who gatekeep positions, even Natate Jan made a reference to that effect, really disappointing. Ntate Jan understands that only by uplifting each other can we win, but towards the end I heard their tone change a bit to be fair.
As a middle class black man it's actually shocking to me that middle class blacks still think like this I mean by now we all should be knowing that even this middle class status we think we have is just a fake front. We're the "Middle class" but we're drowning in debt and are slaves to our employers who at one mistake can easily pull the rugg from underneath our feet and it's right back to poverty 😢
Jan Moganwa is great to listen to, I had to follow him on social media as well, what a man👌👌
I agree with Ntate Moganwa, regarding South Africans being immigrants of Zimbabwe in 10 years. If we do not change, things are going to be bad for us all.
They have been saying that for the past 15years . Stop scaring SAns and start building . Both Zim and SA can succeed at the same time
@@SA_CrimeWatch I think that we need to hear the opnions of Zims because based on what we read, it doesn't reflect his optimism
This young boys the act so smart.i only hear one guy here nd the rest ayikhooona..can u please bring bo jj David matured conversation yazi.this young one
I was listening to this in my sleep, I honestly haven't heard anyone speak and frostan politics like this man on the right of Eugene. He said in relation to decision-making in the ANC: "Is management making decisions in the best interest of shareholders?"
It’s actually good that Eugene didn’t go to parliament because what’s this 😮😮
The man is a non-thinker I'm so disappointed.
He is the weakest link on the table.
I love the discussion on the table and different view. We need more of such conversations might not be weekly or monthly but once in a while, whethere high views or not
These are a certain class of the clever blacks, SMWX knows who to pick when coming to politics and black struggles. The guy with grey hair tried to shed a light but the twanging group was not grasping it!
Clever blacks😂
56:22 - 59:44 should be made into a short video. It spoke volumes.
I would be surprised if Khoza voted for the DA
When will you guys accept that life/politics is not a group work and everyone is allowed to have different opinions. Its like religion we Christians believe christianity is the real deal but you will still find other religions pushing their things . Stop calling people clever blacks
@@SA_CrimeWatchEveryone is entitled to their own opinions, yes! But we have to be intelligent with our thinking, a personal opinion does not make sense when speaking on broad issues. Eugene and the other guy in green are using their personal experiences to speak on politics and the economy hence their points are wayward in the South African sense.
Please host another segment like this and make it a town hall discussion. Would really like to engage with these intellectuals
Sad to see so many blacks on the table not challenging Mike Sham on his statement on black aspiration not being reflected in the EFF! Eugene Even snapping a finger saying "100%" sies! 5 ppl actually agreeing ya ya ya on the topic of politics? no ways i was expecting a debate and atleast those 5 guys challenging each other and expressing their real views not just sit there and enjoy platform on the Podcast. i am commenting this way because i respect that platform and my respect for it has always originated from the fact that u dont come to that podcast and talk rubbish n be just left like that, either MacG or Sol WILL grill you and have u explaining yourself including our chillers. I'm no politician but i can tell you now that even my 12 yr old son knows that the EFF Does have alot of black aspirations reflected in it and has a very strong desire of ensuring that the black youth of this country succeeds and progress as the white youth of this country!
It's really sad pro, it's like this show is sponsored by DA, I couldn't even finish watching this show, because they De-campaign EFF everytime they get.
@@shimidioke1895 money talks, DA and its funders have deep pockets. whats really sad is macg and sol pretend to be champions of blacks but the kak they catching on now is just crazy and anti black.
Eugene should be omitted on the next sitting, he is just a passenger more so an empty vessel.
My Sol is steering the ship today!!!!🎉
Who ever mixed the Sound for this episode, Great job 👏🏾
This interview is more than what can Sol can handle.
😂😂😂😂 I saw that he was literally absorbing information kanti around Mac he's always having happy opinion
Yes today it was not about gossip hence he s lost today
Lies. He gave guests space which is good.
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Yeah..... Sadly the panelists are having a lose field day with him. Mac is a very good moderator. Sol is, unfortunately wanting in this seat.
This show should be hosted by "JJ" guys, the chillers needs this matured show to inform those that do not know much about politics
❤❤❤we love u Sol... Wish that one day I overcome my issues , u helped me deal with so much . More good things to you❤
LOVE A SOL HOSTED SHOW ❤
DA can mention who they want and who they don't want,but other parties can't, this ANC/DA major was long coming ever since Ramaphosa took over the ANC
Yep
Funny thing is that these two young men can't talk and side with the black constituency, dey actually saying incorrect things through deliberate motive or gross ignorance
True , I was surprised when Zimasa said MK and EFF didn't do well with their negotiations for joining GNU , that time it's very obvious that Anc was never going to work with Mk or EFF even if they said the right things during negotiations , Why would Anc of ANCs president work with people who are against their agenda ??? Anc chose D.A because they have the same handlers it's that obvious and simple .....D.A and Anc coalition was decided way before elections its very clear to see & I fail to understand how people don't see it ......I mean it's no coincidence that all the parties funded by WMC just happen to be the ones accepted in GNU ( D.A , Anc , IFP)
Black Studios is on another level 💯💯. Great show.
Eugene enjoys this Mike guy talking ill about EFF, iyoo
Ya those two hate the eff passionately
His DA
Eugene is stupid
Mike just hates the EFF even on his podcast he loves it when his guests bashes the EFF
Beautiful episode we need more of these 🎉
These types of conversations are very important,thank you guys.
Yah no i think they all got it wrong besides Jan Mogwana. You can feel the void left by JJ's absence in this episode. I enjoy these round tables
I'm on 57:44 and mr Mogwana just cooked😂
Mr Jan Moganwa well done, don't worry they don't want to listen to you now, but history will judge them harshly as well. The status quo doesn't work for the majority of SAs yet they are comfortable with it. It's a pity they never understood Gadaffi's policies and administration, surely they only understood the western version of him.
Soo true❤
The advantage of being a young democracy and a developing country with less infrastructure is that we do not need to tear down old to space for new, we go straight to current while preparing for future. So we need to learn from those 100,200 yr democracies and adjust to suite our situation now and forecast. So yes, we can compare for the sake of learning with the aim to implement a good solution.
Sol you did exceptionally well, you were amazing ….🥂❤️
Where is the idolo? Prof/DR JJ tabane 💔
Prof JJ Tabane* ❤❤❤
Ke sharp ka yena😢
Eugene is here for jokes, and bash the eff
Exactly he literally says nothing
I thought I was the only one here
Yerrrrrrr
He don't know anything about politics
He’s so annoying
That's what gave him podcast fame, bashing.
To add on what the guy in the cap is saying about taxes and spending (When the businesses are failing they tend to increase prices for their goods and services to try and stay afloat to also afford high interests rates and rent'), SA doesn't do deflation. High prices remain even when the interest rates go down (fuel, mortgage and some' do go down). Imported goods tend to be cheaper that local products which is what kills our exportation.
Eugene is singing for his supper, these comedians get good gigs from corporates.
Beautiful stuff. We need these types of conversations more often as youth.
As much as Mac is overseas I think Sol is doing more justice to these type of topics more then Mac.
Keep it up guys!!!
this conversation would be different had the GNU agreement was made public, we would have seen how the DA has the last say in the current government, the discussion is on the tangent
This guy's are missing it with EFF
It’s so sad
They're doing it deliberately
Eugene oh my word yesss....
Loved Jan Moganwa perspective on things. He really spoke for the people. It would also be nice to see more women in the panel
In a nutshellJan moganwa understands anarchy very well.... he can see it miles away
Like Ricky said take care of the young ones
Jan says take care of the poor, understand them .... They will rise¡!!
Ignore them..... they will rip intestines to get to the key
Malema said that if we don't have radical economic change in the near future we are going to have an unlead revolution.
1:02:02 yup! I’ve personally seen this effect in Zim during our GNU. Did some work for an arm of government and for the months l would come in… l realized the folks were very much the same
Well done Sol, you are really growing in hosting the shows alone ❤🎉
Jan was the only sound guy in this conversation in my opinion. Citizans has a good leader here.
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Imagine Ramaphosa Nd his ppl watching this episode in a boardroom table on a projector taking notes Nd having a great agreement on wat they should do
1:21:54 yup!!! The money with the land (and the supporting knowhow)
1 of the most important episodes of the year
Sol is a humble being♥
Am here for Khoza
He's saying a bunch of nothing ..
I definitely agree with you my brother on the Zimbabwe in the near future, you definitely know your history.
I'm19. But i won't lie this was so insightful and beautiful to watch. Now I have a more open mind regarding politics
48:22 😮Pure Economics wow
Sol and Eugene on 🔥🔥🔥 27:37
Okay now this was interesting to watch. We need to have an episode like this once a month towards the end of the month to have a recap of What is going on in our country.
It hit me when the other guy said we don't know our ministers anymore because I'm guilty. I don't pay attention anymore.
Zimasa and Eugene have lost the plot, just speaking from a point of privilege. The white guy speaks from a point of view of a white person, the guy with white hair is on point. He understands politics and economics, the ANC never wanted to talk with the EFF and MK. DA said they won't work with both parties, so ANC aligning with the DA knew there is no chance of them adding the EFF and MK into that coalition. This GNU or Grand Coalition is only going to benefit big business and mostly rich people. The middle class will suffer while the poor will remain poor, capitalism is always aboit profits and never about maling the lives of the workers better.
You are smart wena 👌💯🤝
Try explaining this to your imaginary middle class blacks… they make me sick in my stomach.
Fully agree.. this is the reality we need to face.. things will only get worse under DANC
Especially Eugene🙄
43:44 yes economic growth is important but it does not mean reduced inequality! Reform policy’s such as progressive taxation, social safety nets and property reduction have to come with that economic growth.
Eugene was not supposed to be on this conversation
Why
I agree
I agree, just blowing wind
He is not fit for such engagements
He's smart but not smart when it comes to these type of conversations