As a young boy born in sikh family in late 80’s , I heard so many stories from grand parents about muslims and specially some muslim rulers and what injustice they did , why sikh gurus went through all the trouble at that time, babar at 1st gurus time upto aauranzeb at 10th gurus time I heard so many stories in detail. How they used power and cruelty to convert non muslims, it surprised me as a child if they were like that why their footprints are all over our country, how nobody is talking about it , Because hindus suffered lot more then anyone else at those times but still nobody say anything . Now I understand people can’t do anything until their is a political will , i m not in favour of punishing today’s muslims for what mugals did , but it hurt when today’s muslims start defending them .
As a hindu, I will be always grateful for the support and lives given by sikh gurus and soldiers to save hindus when when no one was standing for hindus. We will always be sorry for what happened in '84.
Ye log apna jhutha narrative isi tarah build karte hain. They know there is difference between breaking and stealing but how conveniently she chose the world breaking than stealing.
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
मैडम, मूर्ति तोड़ना और मूर्ति को हटाकर दूसरी जगह स्थापित करना दोनों में आपको फर्क नज़र नहीं आता ? शब्द के चयन में इतनी छोटी सी सावधानी तो रखी जानी चाहिए। सौरभ, आपने उन्हें टोका क्यों नहीं, ये भी मेरी शंका है।
लाखों हिन्दू जो भारत में मुसलमान हुए हैं क्या वह किसी मन्दिर के मालिक नहीं थे? अगर थे तो मुसलमान होकर उन्होंने अपने मन्दिरों को मन्दिर नहीं बनाया होगा? ईश्वर हमें सद्बुद्धि दें। सत्यमेव जयते।
इस महिला ने कही कि मस्जिद को भी तोड़कर मंदिर भी बनवाया गया तो किसी एक मंदिर का नाम और स्थान बताएं कि कौन से मस्जिद को तोड़कर मंदिर बनाया गया था? जय श्री राम जी
Ruchika narrating Daulatabad episode is also whataboutary. Mosque was built by plundering hindu temples and same materials was used which is evident even now. So your choice of history expert is under question Lallantop team. This was happened in 1948 during police action on Nizam of Hyderabad. There had been a great deal of local pressure to reinstate temple. To avoid communal bais Govt installed bharatmata idol. Ruchika twisted whole story and tried to prove first Indian govt (of nehruji) communal or equal to auranjeb. Lalantop need to study and make correction on false claims made in best ever discussion program.
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Since I am from odisha, as odisha history have been taught to us the idol which have been stolen from odisha by vijay nagar king has been recovered by Gajpati Kapildev by attacking vijay nagar kingdom. Th idol never destroyed.
The perspective of then hindu rulers were different, they theft the idols for worship as they installed it in temple with a faith that it would increase the prosperity of their kingdom.
Ye sab political hi he jab se bjp ai ye Mandir masjid ki rajnity kar rahi he.supreme court ne keh diya tha k babar ne n masjid banai n koi mandir pehle tha jo toda gaya.ye ap historian suprime court ka judgement padh le.aur ye bhi supreme court ne ye bhi k ha k jis tarah se masjid todi gai woh bhi galat thi.aur un ko saza mil ni chaiye.mager akhir me astha k naam par un hi masjid todne walo ko masjid sonpi gai.un ko saza ke patra Mane gae mager un ko saza nahi di gai.
पिछले 12 वर्षों से मेरे परिवार को उत्तर प्रदेश पुलिस प्रशासन द्वारा मानसिक प्रताड़ना दिया जा रहा है । ruclips.net/video/pTlMhIT1t8o/видео.html मुख्यमंत्री कार्यालय उत्तर प्रदेश व पुलिस प्रशासन का कहना है कि यह सबकुछ मुख्यमंत्री श्री योगी आदित्यनाथ जी के आदेश पर हो रहा है । Please help my family to meet the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh Shree Yogi Adityanath Ji. My family wants to live please help us. 🙏🙏🙏
And the Buddha himself is hidden(no where now) in India. Context: how Buddha and buddhism and jainism and their temples have been destroyed is rarely debated in our times. And you who must have done that ;) (definitely not mughals)
@@sachinkhare1708 Definitely yes Mughals. Wtf are you on about? Except Pushyamitra Shunga no other Hindu ruler actively destroyed such structures. While Bakhtiyar Khilji destroyed the largest Buddhist and Hindu University & Library in the World. This one being one of thousands of such examples.
I am really thankful to lallantop for this wonderful episode, We have to learn from history in a positive way. But I wonder why some people angry on today’s Muslims, most of them are converted, they are not the one who did this. We have to work together for better future…..Hopefully our people will understand it ASAP😊😊😊
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Ultimately Prof. Kapil's point is proved throughout the debate. This is what I feel. I may be wrong. What he wanted to say was that First accept the history and then move on. There is no need to demonise today's Muslim on account of what Muslim rulers did in name of religion. Don't defend it or try to tone it down. However that's what Prof. Nadeem and Mrs. Ruchika are doing throughout the debate.
God help the students of Ruchika, her understanding I believe is only limited to the books she has partially read... Meguthi temple in karnataka even today is recognized as a Jain Basadi and is a unfinished temple... No hindu will install a idol in unfinished temples... Even if they had a motive to morph the basadi to shivalaya. Also untrue are the words she uses when she says that Lord Krishna idol was broken 'thodke' and installed as Vittala in another temple by Vijayanagara ruler Krishnadeva raya. Appears she has no knowledge of hindu rituals and of hindu temples... No way a broken idol will be installed/worshipped in any Hindu temple. She is a half baked eggg...
I think you shd read the history of vitthal ie vithoba ( as called in maharashtra), it is documented and claimed by the priests in Pandharpur that on few occasions they removed n hide the original murti of vithoba in fear to get destroyed by Muslims in war times and reinstalled it afterwards. Anyways let it be Muslim or Hindus or anyone shd accept the past, religion is found to be a main cause of human casualties in history, and most war fought by the name of religion n gods, now lets look at the present n future by throwing the radicalism/ fundamentalism away.
ruchika is nivedita menon new brand . inventing history out of thin air in disguised support for islamic jehaadis . classical communist/leftist hindu hater . appeal to the channel not to invite such hollow ,boasting shamelessly anti Hindu propagandists .
Professor Nadeem at the last did exactly what Professor Kapil was accusing him of. Prof. Nadeem at the end started saying that there is no written proof that a temple was demolished to build gyanvapi mosque.
I am not sure what he expected: A DPR (Detailed Project Report)? A tender for the demolition of the temple? A notice served to the temple administration?
@@sagaryadav3390"Masar E alamgiri " book written by historian in Aurangjeb administration time in his state....it explains when and how thish kashiwishanath temple was breaked down by order of King Aurangjeb....
@@faisalmuneerone insane argument is when u term punishment as wanting our prestigious temple of holiest place of hindus Kashi. If it's a attrocity in your thinking then kudos to your ideology
@@faisalmuneerone german except that hitler did wrong to jews dosent means everyone is punishing germans but its about ressetelling history so that people can live peacefully but if you say aurenzeb was good and prais himthen its automatic hindus will get angry
Prof Kapil has very valid reasoning backed with historical evidences. Prof Nadeem and Ruchita too have presented their views with a mindset which is quite obvious and needs to be kept in mind before arriving any conclusion.
Nice debate. Before Ruchika madam opened her mouth I was sure she is left winged. Jab Hindu raja ne Murti Tor di to phir apni mandir me kaise lagayi.First I thought it is slip of tongue but she repeated it many times.I learned a new terminology of reuse also. Prof. Nadeem agrees that temple was broken but doesn’t fail to glorify Aurangzeb
Wampanthin.... Maine dekhi nhi thi isase pahle.... Inki acting dekhne ka mja hi kuch aur hai jb ye kisi anyay ko chipane ke liye nukkad ki debate krne aati hn.... Iss nawtnkibaz aurat ke example to dekho.... 😀😀😀😀😀
This is for Ruchika Maam....destroying an idol and defacing it is different and taking an idol from one place to another is different(In respect of Krishnadevaraya)....so please do not mix the two things
@@aadityaranjan7310 Sorry but I don't subscribe to these kind of comments.... I am just stating what I understand about history in a parliamentary language
@@gauravaim1213 she never said its same, she just gave context what things used occur even before Mughals came in , she also gave examples about Jain Temples and how shaivaits converted those . How Hindus destroyed Buddhist Monuments.
Kapil is a example of how someone can have that clarity without any support of ecosystem, we can understand how many secrifices you must have given for this ideology. Mr. Nadeem put his points well. Ruchira is an example how a mediocre person can get good platform when associated to left ideology and ecosystem.
Bhai Saurabh aapka mai bhot bara fan tha aapka par aapka jo stand rhta h na aap neeutral baane ke chakkar me sachai se door jaake apno ko hi mar lete h bare bhai
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
When Ruchika was asked about the sense of injustice in Hindus for the demolition of their Religious monuments She simply didn't answer that but rant about Bharat Mata Mandir (despite that has not been constructed after any demolition) So people please understand this hypocrisy
Kapil ji ne kaha ki kyu Mandir k samne musjid bnayi gyi 😮 Mere point of view se musjid isliye bnyi gyi hogi ki dono dermoid k log ek saath ek jagh apne bhagwan ki pooja archna krenge or aapsi bhaichara bhdega ek saath ek jgh honge to 😊❤
Before Indepence there was a Jewish Molalla in mumbai. There were 3 Hindu temples there. But after Jewish migration after Israel became independent that area became a Muslim area. Those 3 temples have disappeared.
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Ruchika is a new generation hindu and said to be a historian.She does not know which word to use when you shift an idol from one place to another is not called idol breaking. Mr saurabh your choice is wrong as far as the young historian is concerned. Whatever she has said is about idol shifting by Hindus, what we are discussing is making of mosque on Hindu temple.
हिंदू धर्म में खंडित मूर्ति की पूजा नही की जाती है। लेकिन मैडम जी इतने बड़े राजा को ये करते हुए कहती है की वो मूर्ति तोड़ कर अपने यहां ले गए और अपने यहां की मंदिर में लगा दिए ये बात मेरे दिमाग ने एक्सेप्ट नही की अभी तक 🔥
प्रोफ़ेसर साहिबा उस मूर्ति को तोड़ा नहीं था उसे उठाकर अपने मंदिर में स्थापित कर लिया था क्योंकि वह बहुत ही पुरानी और दिव्य मूर्ति थी और मोती का तोड़ना और स्थापित करना अलग अलग बात है
Exactly .. Mai v yhi soch rha.... Puri kosis thi iss wampathin ke madhyam se ek narrative banane ki.... But sayd ab wo waqt nhi jb... Hm inke bewkufana debate sun ke apni ray bnaye...... Abey jb mandir tuta hai to hm kya napunsak hain jo shivlinga pe waju hote dekhe..... Court se lege ... Ladne k jarurt nhi... Krte raho debate
पिछले 12 वर्षों से मेरे परिवार को उत्तर प्रदेश पुलिस प्रशासन द्वारा मानसिक प्रताड़ना दिया जा रहा है । ruclips.net/video/pTlMhIT1t8o/видео.html मुख्यमंत्री कार्यालय उत्तर प्रदेश व पुलिस प्रशासन का कहना है कि यह सबकुछ मुख्यमंत्री श्री योगी आदित्यनाथ जी के आदेश पर हो रहा है । Please help my family to meet the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh Shree Yogi Adityanath Ji. My family wants to live please help us. 🙏🙏🙏
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
One good thing that started is, we have started learning our past more clearly. It's very important for us to learn our roots. Otherwise a lot of narrative has been fed to us to destroy our cultural value. And Narendra Modi advent in political space has caused this. He's the greatest leader we need.
Dear so called academic, the temple in Varanasi was not a normal Shiva temple. It may help you in realising the mob psychology that is simmering on the streets.
If any Hindu Buddhist or Jain ruler hurt any temples or stupa . It was due to ruler and not ideology . Same is not correct with Mughals and invaders . From first to last all destroyed temples . In Buddhist , Jains and Hindus , all rulers did not destroy temples . Maybe one two , in thag also murti was preserved . To compare both is completely false like Ruchika is doing . Very very wrong comparison .
God save the students of Prof. Ruchika. She is an eloquent example of how a historian of little knowledge can be oblivious of strong religious, social and historical facts and consequently put forth a distorted and biased analysis.
Ruchika is a perfect example of students are being manipulated in JNU and DU. You will find tons of Hindus who can easily questions Hindus past. But u will find most of the muslims scholars defending their past. Thats the difference.
Ruchika mam should have given numbers that how many temples were converted into mosques and visa vera. She didn't answer the last question in regards to the faith of the people.
I want to say in the context of Ms Ruchika Sharma that although the vaishnbites or shaibaites in earlier eras had demolished jainite temples,but they had not desecreted those idols ,but they converted the idols to lord Shiva or lord Vishnu and worshipped them.But in Gnanabspi temple,the muslims are deliberately desecreting lord shiva' idol.
What is the mentality behind breaking idols 1.there is no god but allah 2.don't marry polythiest women untill she convert into islam its better to marry your maid,cook or anyone else 3.those who humiliates allah and his messengers they will be punished here and hereafter.
कपिल सर की बातों में बेबागपन है। इतिहास जनता की भाषा मे लिखी पुस्तको से देखी जानी चाहिए। ना कि शासको के पिछलग्गू लेखको के लिखी बातों से। नदीम सर् का Closing remark भी काफी सराहनीय है।
1. Ruchika madam, Agar Hinduo ne Hinduo ka temple toda to uss se Religious identity khatam nahi hoti hai. But different religion me yeh applicable hai. Sai deepak sir ko bulaiye Ruchika ki hypocrisy ki dhagiya uda denge.
57:00 loved the way saurav kept them on point. 1:15 Ruchika's comparison is just comparing apple with oranges there. On one hand there is Birthplace Temples on other hand there is Mosque which is just another structure of prayer which can be transfer. If Bharat Mata temple would have been imposed on Mecca or Medina then it would have been a balanced argument.
Dear Saurabh thanks for organizing such a beautiful debate , there are three people representing Ancient , Medieval and Present periods. Most of the people doesn't like quarrelling among themselves. They want peace in their present competitive world , where one need hard to earn bread and butter. HISTORY IS TO TAKE LESSON FROM THE PAST , NOT TO REPEAT.
जब आप इतने विद्वानों को बिना किसी बहस और हो हल्ला किये बिना सुनते हैं तो आप स्पष्ट रूप से अपनी राय बना सकते हैं धन्यवाद lalntop इतनी अच्छी debate के लिए👍👍
Prof. Kapil and Prof. Nadim have logically deliberated the issue with different prospective. Madam Sharma' effort to oppose the popular fact based narrative about religious intent of Sultanate & Moghuls by highlighting a rare example , clearly indicates her inclination to left ideology. Vijaynagar empire case may be one of the rare case, but concealing of fact regarding intent of these attackers to demolish hindu culture and civilisation to prove superiority of Islam; is unjustifiable.
Also he didn't break temple. He just shifted the idol to his kingdom. Different from breaking temple. Lot of temples were changed in ancient and mediaeval time. No doubt about it. But example given of Vijayanagar was not good enough.
She is a Leftist and Agenda driven, is proved by her words "Broke" the idols she spoke more than once. She clearly says the winner king broke the idol and took it to his kingdom and established it in his temple because he too was a Krishna devotee. How can a hindu devotee break the idol? Khandit Murti is never worshipped but immersed. This proves that the winner king took the idol without breaking it to his temple. This lady intentionally telling lies by using the word 'broke' more than once to draw similarity with the destruction of thousands of temple by Muslim invaders and justifies them as normal act of that time.
All difficult y is with the thought of grabbing the others property .uff tired off all this headache no doute outsiders has came and destroy our pease . nobody knows when this controversy will over .only all mighty can .
Dear Saurabh , good that you invited Ms Ruchika for the debate. Two things - interpretation and analysis of history & facts should be scientific and with same base unit of mearements. Here she compared the Karnataka temple with incident with Mughals. This is the flaw of the Arts faculties run in the universities by non rational intellectuals.
DU and JNU have historian like ruchika.ask her any question.... She will answer the question in a way she always wanted to answer according to her ideology. Ruchika..... Sucks
Ruchika should use correct words...the veera Shivait Lingayats you were referring to as a "cult", is a sect of Hinduism. You said you have done an MPhil in Bijapur so you must know better than calling Lingayat samaj a "cult".
We are proud on Ahiliya bai holkar who rebuild India Temple Without any blood She used 90% of her revenue in restoration of temple distroyed by Mugals and invaders She herself used to sleep in Simple house but Rebuild whole india temple . They Are proud on Aurenjeb Who was UZBEK who killed thousand indian Converted The forefather of who defend them today Tey looted 1000 temples of india . WE ARE NOT SAME
Koi Muslim Saltanat ho ya Moghal Dynesty , sabne Hindu Community pe Atrocities he kee kisi na kam kisi ne Jaroorat se jada , Leepapoti aur generalised karne ki koshish use less hai . 100 % agreed with opinion of Prof. Kapil Kumar .
Breaking Idols of any religion has never been part of Hindu preaching. But in Islam, breaking Idols of other religions have been integral part of Islam.
I have recently visited jogulamba temple complex in telangana... The scale of devastation of temples is beyond one's thoughts... Why sooo much hatred... Not understandable...
This girl is so biased... Really... Saurabh ne last me puchha Mekka Madina jaise muslim ke liye vaise hi Krishn janm bhumi hindu ke liye hai.. Isliye wo iski demand kr rahe... Par ye kuch aur hi bata rahi
हिंदुस्तान मे ऐसा इंसान कभी महान या सम्मानीय नही हो सकता जिसने धर्म के नाम पर ज़बरदस्ती एवंं अपने धर्म का वर्चस्व साबित करने के लिये दूसरों पर ज़बरदस्ती की हो।
I have renewed respect for Lallantop's erudite discussions in a respectable manner. I was initially biased against this Channel as I watched Rajdeep Sardesai often. However, I started watching this with open mind, when I saw Vivek Agnihotri of Urban Naxal fame here and his treatment with due regards by Saurabh Ji.
@@kaiwalyaghotkar832 pls share any valid ASI report or study published by esteemed institutions on this matter, we will definitely be okay if Buddhists come forward 😊.
Did any Brahmin massacred Buddhists. The answer is NO. In fact, no Hindu, Jain, Buddhists, and Sikh dharma kings or common people ever massacred innocent people.
I feel the Ma'am reference was completely obsolete to the last question asked by Saurabh. Professor Kapil I mustsay I became your fan like last week Prof Maakhanlaal his knowledge and clarity of thought is of next level. Wish to see a debate of Prof Kapil and Prof Aditya Mukherjee. It would be a great debate to watchout for.
Example bhi hindu rajoo kaa he Mila is koo.ye nahi samja ke wo ladai bhagwan koo sirf ek sthan se dusre sthan par rakh diya.dusri jagah jakar apman nahi kiya.
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE" THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY. SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Both the other historians using sects of Hinduism to their advantage - Shivaite and Vaishnavite. There is no conflict between the two - both are complementary to each other. Please study Rameshwaram for better understanding!
One more comment. I totally agree with Satyavrat Mishra that "आज तक एक भी ऐसा मुस्लिम इतिहासकार नही सुना जिसने बर्बरता को समर्थन न किया हो । सबका एक ही एजेंडा होता है ".
Ruchika Sharma’s opinion is illogical. When Hindu temples were destroyed, it was attack on civilisations. Crores were killed, raped in the same temple premises. Statues were broken to break the moral of Hindu society. Temples were used as toilets. This plunder can’t be compared with earlier wars. The invaders attack was so brutal that thousands of women burned themselves alive in the fear of rape. Such history is not associated with Virashaiva or Buddhist armies. There were rules for battle but medieval invaders believed only in religious conflicts based on loot and brutality.
मैं खुद भी भूगोल ,राजनीती विज्ञानं और इतिहास का सामान्य सा विद्यार्थी रहा हूँ ।मुझे आप द्वारा इस प्रकार के प्रोग्राम से भारत और विश्व के इतिहास का ज्ञान, मेरे स्वयं के ज्ञान में बढ़ोतरी करते हैं ।इससे मालूम भी होता है कि जिस ज्ञान का हमारे जीवन पर यदि अच्छा प्रभाव पड़ता है उसे और भी ज़्यादा विश्लेषित और परिष्कृत करना चाहिए । इतिहास को नही बदला जा सकता ,जो हो चूका वोह चूका ।क्यों हुआ ,कैसे हुआ और उसका परिणाम क्या हुआ ? इन इतिहासिक जानकारी से आज के मानवीय जीवन और उसके मुल्यो को ज़्यादा परिष्कृत करने की आवश्यकता है ना कि अस्वाभाविक और असंभावित इतिहास को बदलने की ।।
@@Gauravpandey-yo7tm जैसी रब की इच्छा ,जो होगा अच्छा ही होगा । क्या मंदिर और क्या मस्जिद ,जिस किसी को खोज करने की प्रवृत्ति को अपने लिए फ़र्ज़ कर लेता है ,तो उसे हर तरह की खुशियों से नवाज़ दिया जाता है।
I don't know why the lady is so so biased ... I request saurav bhai not to bring such biased person in the debate... She is definitely read the Marxists history and nothing
With respect to Prof. Nadeem and this 'some ruchika from somewhere', have they ever read the full ayodhya judgement? how on earth can they/anybody contest this judgement!?????
Correct Reading the "unanimous" judgment on the Ayodhya title suit in a packed courtroom on Saturday, CJI Ranjan Gogoi there is clear evidence that Hindus believe Lord Ram was born at the disputed site. "Babri Masjid was not constructed on vacant land. There was a structure underlying the disputed structure. The underlying structure was not an Islamic structure," the bench said.
Itna hi nhi bhai,mughal ko shi bola jaa rha hai or hindu ko hindu k khilaaf lrwa diya..ye communist ideology hai..is lrki ne mughal k bare me ek word nhi bola,isne hindu k khilaf bola or hindu ko hindu k khilaaf lrwa diya..isne to bhut baar masjid totke mandir bana diya..ye communist hi hai,mai isko historian kv nhi manta😠😠koi hindu hokr hindu temple ka kaise mjak bnate hai😠😠😠
गजब सौरभजी।आपने तो औरंगजेब को महान सिद्ध करने के लिए दो महान वक्ताओं को बुलाया। आप दोनों के अनुसार तो औरंगजेब ने मंदिर को हिन्दूओं के भले के लिए थोड़ा गया था ( अजब गजब तर्क)। रूचिता जी को आपने इसलिए ही बुलाया था कि वह आज के हिंदूओं का जीभर कर अपमान करें।उनका सारे तर्क की दिशा एक ही थी ,औरंगजेब व ज्ञानवापी मंदिर को भुला दो और आज के मुसलमानों के सामने शर्मिंदा हो जाओ। मैने पहले भी यही कहा था इस देश को झुकाने के लिए आक्रांता की जरूरत नहीं,हमारे करीब आप जैसे लोग मौजूद हैं। चंद पैसों के लिए अपना जमीर चमकीले कपड़े में बेचनेवाले हैं ना।भारत में भारतवासी अपनी आस्था न जिंदा रखे,ये तर्क आपको ही समझ आ सकता है। खैर आप तो पहले भी कह चुके हैं कि मंदिर और आस्था की बात को भूल जाईये और महंगाई याद रखिये।👏👏👏👏👏👏 मध्यप्रदेश तो तालिबान बन चुका है ,माफ कीजिए रूचिताजी तालिबानी तो अच्छे लोग हैं। आप लोग देश से उपर उठकर चुके लोग हैं जो हम हिंदू देशवासियों की बेइज्जती करने में कोई कसर नहीं छोड़ते।मान गये सौरभजी आपकी निष्पक्षता को।
Mere pyare Bhai Nikhil bhai sourabh bhai ke student hai Agar tum nikhil ko gaali de rahe ho toh tum sath me sourabh diwedi k student ko bhi gaali de rahe ho Appreciate the hard work brothers ❤️
As an IT student I have to warn you guys never ever trust Wikipedia/Internet blindly anyone can share there own narrative without any facts. To get some real knowledge of depth of subjects always refer authentic Books.
Simple question , if today with video and real time , “shivling” is called fountain . Then in their hands you can understand why history is so distorted . Product of that history is people like Ruchika who it is very scary is teaching history , so more children will be brainwashed.
Pls make a wise choice historians avoid calling ruchika sharma who can't even no the difference of damaging and shifting of idol.her views were very keen to defend the demolition done by mughals references given by her were not enough to defend
As a young boy born in sikh family in late 80’s , I heard so many stories from grand parents about muslims and specially some muslim rulers and what injustice they did , why sikh gurus went through all the trouble at that time, babar at 1st gurus time upto aauranzeb at 10th gurus time I heard so many stories in detail. How they used power and cruelty to convert non muslims, it surprised me as a child if they were like that why their footprints are all over our country, how nobody is talking about it , Because hindus suffered lot more then anyone else at those times but still nobody say anything . Now I understand people can’t do anything until their is a political will , i m not in favour of punishing today’s muslims for what mugals did , but it hurt when today’s muslims start defending them .
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As a hindu, I will be always grateful for the support and lives given by sikh gurus and soldiers to save hindus when when no one was standing for hindus. We will always be sorry for what happened in '84.
Ruchika Ma'am ! Destroying temple is different and taking away idol from one temple to another is different.
Ye log apna jhutha narrative isi tarah build karte hain. They know there is difference between breaking and stealing but how conveniently she chose the world breaking than stealing.
She is not learning history
She does not deserve to be called Ma"am but I respect your choice of words!
Leftist history padh ke historian bache ruchika ji jaise hi honge
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
मैडम, मूर्ति तोड़ना और मूर्ति को हटाकर दूसरी जगह स्थापित करना दोनों में आपको फर्क नज़र नहीं आता ? शब्द के चयन में इतनी छोटी सी सावधानी तो रखी जानी चाहिए। सौरभ, आपने उन्हें टोका क्यों नहीं, ये भी मेरी शंका है।
I have same exact view
Sahi bat bole bro
Ye log apna jhutha narrative isi tarah banate hain.
Madam videshi sharab pi ke ayi hain....mandir todna uske liye ordinary event hain....
Tokta kesay akhir saurab hay to noker he jo iska malik bolayga vesa he to program banayga
लाखों हिन्दू जो भारत में मुसलमान हुए हैं क्या वह किसी मन्दिर के मालिक नहीं थे? अगर थे तो मुसलमान होकर उन्होंने अपने मन्दिरों को मन्दिर नहीं बनाया होगा? ईश्वर हमें सद्बुद्धि दें। सत्यमेव जयते।
इस महिला ने कही कि मस्जिद को भी तोड़कर मंदिर भी बनवाया गया तो किसी एक मंदिर का नाम और स्थान बताएं कि कौन से मस्जिद को तोड़कर मंदिर बनाया गया था? जय श्री राम जी
Ruchika narrating Daulatabad episode is also whataboutary. Mosque was built by plundering hindu temples and same materials was used which is evident even now. So your choice of history expert is under question Lallantop team.
This was happened in 1948 during police action on Nizam of Hyderabad. There had been a great deal of local pressure to reinstate temple. To avoid communal bais Govt installed bharatmata idol.
Ruchika twisted whole story and tried to prove first Indian govt (of nehruji) communal or equal to auranjeb.
Lalantop need to study and make correction on false claims made in best ever discussion program.
Lallan top always play mischief shamelessly..
The lady is quite ignorant..does not have indepth knowledge.I pity her students.
The problem with muslim scholars is that they dont have d guts to admit d wrong done by mughals...
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Since I am from odisha, as odisha history have been taught to us the idol which have been stolen from odisha by vijay nagar king has been recovered by Gajpati Kapildev by attacking vijay nagar kingdom. Th idol never destroyed.
But i think prataprudra dev was the king when krushnadev attacked odisha and prataprudra was the last gajapati ruler
The perspective of then hindu rulers were different, they theft the idols for worship as they installed it in temple with a faith that it would increase the prosperity of their kingdom.
And they missed the point that though they stole the idol but respected and didn't break with hatred...is there any comparison with what mughals did?
How will u define Stolen and damaged?
Ye sab political hi he jab se bjp ai ye Mandir masjid ki rajnity kar rahi he.supreme court ne keh diya tha k babar ne n masjid banai n koi mandir pehle tha jo toda gaya.ye ap historian suprime court ka judgement padh le.aur ye bhi supreme court ne ye bhi k ha k jis tarah se masjid todi gai woh bhi galat thi.aur un ko saza mil ni chaiye.mager akhir me astha k naam par un hi masjid todne walo ko masjid sonpi gai.un ko saza ke patra Mane gae mager un ko saza nahi di gai.
"The Sun, The Moon And The Truth Can't Be Hidden For a Long Time".
~ Gautam Buddha
पिछले 12 वर्षों से मेरे परिवार को उत्तर प्रदेश पुलिस प्रशासन द्वारा मानसिक प्रताड़ना दिया जा रहा है ।
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मुख्यमंत्री कार्यालय उत्तर प्रदेश व पुलिस प्रशासन का कहना है कि यह सबकुछ मुख्यमंत्री श्री योगी आदित्यनाथ जी के आदेश पर हो रहा है ।
Please help my family to meet the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh Shree Yogi Adityanath Ji. My family wants to live please help us. 🙏🙏🙏
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And the Buddha himself is hidden(no where now) in India.
Context: how Buddha and buddhism and jainism and their temples have been destroyed is rarely debated in our times. And you who must have done that ;) (definitely not mughals)
@@sachinkhare1708 Definitely yes Mughals. Wtf are you on about? Except Pushyamitra Shunga no other Hindu ruler actively destroyed such structures. While Bakhtiyar Khilji destroyed the largest Buddhist and Hindu University & Library in the World. This one being one of thousands of such examples.
I am really thankful to lallantop for this wonderful episode, We have to learn from history in a positive way. But I wonder why some people angry on today’s Muslims, most of them are converted, they are not the one who did this. We have to work together for better future…..Hopefully our people will understand it ASAP😊😊😊
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Ultimately Prof. Kapil's point is proved throughout the debate. This is what I feel. I may be wrong.
What he wanted to say was that First accept the history and then move on. There is no need to demonise today's Muslim on account of what Muslim rulers did in name of religion. Don't defend it or try to tone it down. However that's what Prof. Nadeem and Mrs. Ruchika are doing throughout the debate.
God help the students of Ruchika, her understanding I believe is only limited to the books she has partially read... Meguthi temple in karnataka even today is recognized as a Jain Basadi and is a unfinished temple... No hindu will install a idol in unfinished temples... Even if they had a motive to morph the basadi to shivalaya. Also untrue are the words she uses when she says that Lord Krishna idol was broken 'thodke' and installed as Vittala in another temple by Vijayanagara ruler Krishnadeva raya. Appears she has no knowledge of hindu rituals and of hindu temples... No way a broken idol will be installed/worshipped in any Hindu temple. She is a half baked eggg...
I think you shd read the history of vitthal ie vithoba ( as called in maharashtra), it is documented and claimed by the priests in Pandharpur that on few occasions they removed n hide the original murti of vithoba in fear to get destroyed by Muslims in war times and reinstalled it afterwards.
Anyways let it be Muslim or Hindus or anyone shd accept the past, religion is found to be a main cause of human casualties in history, and most war fought by the name of religion n gods, now lets look at the present n future by throwing the radicalism/ fundamentalism away.
She is Half Rotten egg
ruchika is nivedita menon new brand .
inventing history out of thin air in disguised support for islamic jehaadis .
classical communist/leftist hindu hater .
appeal to the channel not to invite such hollow ,boasting shamelessly anti Hindu propagandists .
I agree with you on consecration of broken idols.
I agree with you especially when you mention ruchika is a half baked egg.
Professor Nadeem at the last did exactly what Professor Kapil was accusing him of. Prof. Nadeem at the end started saying that there is no written proof that a temple was demolished to build gyanvapi mosque.
Wahi toh inke paas 800 AD me koi jain yaa buddist mandir todkar hindu banaya uske saboot he lekin Kashi aur Gyanvapi kankuch nahi he
babar hindustani tha ? khlji hindustani tha ?? but pakisan hindustan tha bharat tha
Yes yes ek dum sahi Taliban never destroyed badiyam Buddhists idol ...we are fake secular ...prof was right 😅😂🤣
I am not sure what he expected: A DPR (Detailed Project Report)? A tender for the demolition of the temple? A notice served to the temple administration?
@@sagaryadav3390"Masar E alamgiri " book written by historian in Aurangjeb administration time in his state....it explains when and how thish kashiwishanath temple was breaked down by order of King Aurangjeb....
Any Acknowledgement of Atrocities by Muslim Community is next to impossible.
I am Muslim.. and i acknowledged they did.. but is it fair to punish someone who was not born then. 🤷 What kind of insane argument is that.
@@faisalmuneerone If it is insane argument then what is the purpose in Acknowledgement.Moreover there is no question of punishment.
@@faisalmuneerone insane argument is when u term punishment as wanting our prestigious temple of holiest place of hindus Kashi. If it's a attrocity in your thinking then kudos to your ideology
@@faisalmuneerone is rebuilding temple punishment? No . killing of someone bcz of their religion is.which should nt happen
@@faisalmuneerone german except that hitler did wrong to jews dosent means everyone is punishing germans but its about ressetelling history so that people can live peacefully
but if you say aurenzeb was good and prais himthen its automatic hindus will get angry
Madam is definitely going to be a frontline historian of India in future.👍👍👍
Prof Kapil has very valid reasoning backed with historical evidences. Prof Nadeem and Ruchita too have presented their views with a mindset which is quite obvious and needs to be kept in mind before arriving any conclusion.
Nice debate. Before Ruchika madam opened her mouth I was sure she is left winged. Jab Hindu raja ne Murti Tor di to phir apni mandir me kaise lagayi.First I thought it is slip of tongue but she repeated it many times.I learned a new terminology of reuse also.
Prof. Nadeem agrees that temple was broken but doesn’t fail to glorify Aurangzeb
Nhi bhai,itna hi nhiis lrki ne hindu ko lrwa diya,isne kv mughal k bare me kuch nhi bola...ab samajh jao
What is your definition of leftist??
@@umairahmad2911 what is the defination of chuslam?what is ola hu uber??
Wampanthin.... Maine dekhi nhi thi isase pahle.... Inki acting dekhne ka mja hi kuch aur hai jb ye kisi anyay ko chipane ke liye nukkad ki debate krne aati hn.... Iss nawtnkibaz aurat ke example to dekho.... 😀😀😀😀😀
This is for Ruchika Maam....destroying an idol and defacing it is different and taking an idol from one place to another is different(In respect of Krishnadevaraya)....so please do not mix the two things
Isne to mughal k bare me ek v word nhi bola,isko koi mulla leta hoga😠😠isko mai historian kv nhi manta or ye communist ideology hai😠😠
@@aadityaranjan7310 Sorry but I don't subscribe to these kind of comments....
I am just stating what I understand about history in a parliamentary language
Lalantop namakharam wampanti channel hai hindhu virodhe
@@gauravaim1213 she never said its same, she just gave context what things used occur even before Mughals came in , she also gave examples about Jain Temples and how shaivaits converted those . How Hindus destroyed Buddhist Monuments.
Yes because they both are Hindus 👏😆🤭
Kapil is a example of how someone can have that clarity without any support of ecosystem, we can understand how many secrifices you must have given for this ideology. Mr. Nadeem put his points well. Ruchira is an example how a mediocre person can get good platform when associated to left ideology and ecosystem.
Bhai Saurabh aapka mai bhot bara fan tha aapka par aapka jo stand rhta h na aap neeutral baane ke chakkar me sachai se door jaake apno ko hi mar lete h bare bhai
Very well written Ashish ji.
And everyone will be 100% agree on last point
Wampanth ka asar patrakarita pe na ho to western prize nhi milta bhai...
Thanks
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
When Ruchika was asked about the sense of injustice in Hindus for the demolition of their Religious monuments
She simply didn't answer that but rant about Bharat Mata Mandir (despite that has not been constructed after any demolition)
So people please understand this hypocrisy
Kapil ji ne kaha ki kyu Mandir k samne musjid bnayi gyi 😮
Mere point of view se musjid isliye bnyi gyi hogi ki dono dermoid k log ek saath ek jagh apne bhagwan ki pooja archna krenge or aapsi bhaichara bhdega ek saath ek jgh honge to 😊❤
Before Indepence there was a Jewish Molalla in mumbai. There were 3 Hindu temples there. But after Jewish migration after Israel became independent that area became a Muslim area. Those 3 temples have disappeared.
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Where in Mumbai ?
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Where was they there is still juvish temple existed
@@binoyjaniye Chapti ZAMEEN kaha hy 😅😅
Ruchika is a new generation hindu and said to be a historian.She does not know which word to use when you shift an idol from one place to another is not called idol breaking. Mr saurabh your choice is wrong as far as the young historian is concerned. Whatever she has said is about idol shifting by Hindus, what we are discussing is making of mosque on Hindu temple.
She needs to read more authentic history
रुचिका मूर्ख है
Swara bhaskar ki kaum ki hindu hai ye. Honorary musalmaan
Absolutely wrong choice of a "young historian"
हिंदू धर्म में खंडित मूर्ति की पूजा नही की जाती है। लेकिन मैडम जी इतने बड़े राजा को ये करते हुए कहती है की वो मूर्ति तोड़ कर अपने यहां ले गए और अपने यहां की मंदिर में लगा दिए ये बात मेरे दिमाग ने एक्सेप्ट नही की अभी तक 🔥
She leftist
History aisi hi hoti he.mind me aaye ya na aaye.
Ae medam Jehadiyo ki tulna
🕉 hindu Raja che karti he
Didi chutiya bana rahi hai😂
Murti agar akshat absstha me uthaya ja sata hai toh uss murti ka pujan ki koi badha nehi hai.
प्रोफ़ेसर साहिबा उस मूर्ति को तोड़ा नहीं था उसे उठाकर अपने मंदिर में स्थापित कर लिया था क्योंकि वह बहुत ही पुरानी और दिव्य मूर्ति थी और मोती का तोड़ना और स्थापित करना अलग अलग बात है
Tremendous amout of respect for Professor Kapil. I've bee watching his shows and am a huge fan of his.
The anchor probably knew from the beginning that the muslim case is weak. Therefore he invited 2 speakers on their side to counter 1 Kapilsir.
Exactly
.. Mai v yhi soch rha.... Puri kosis thi iss wampathin ke madhyam se ek narrative banane ki.... But sayd ab wo waqt nhi jb... Hm inke bewkufana debate sun ke apni ray bnaye...... Abey jb mandir tuta hai to hm kya napunsak hain jo shivlinga pe waju hote dekhe..... Court se lege
... Ladne k jarurt nhi... Krte raho debate
Yes bilkul sahi bola aap ne actually lallantop NDTV ka he dusra roop hay
Ye total Biased debate tha. Pura agenda aurangzeb ko defend karne ka lag raha tha.
Yeah
Right because he is from JNU and we already know their mentality
It's clearly 2 vs 1 😂 but he rocks 🔥
Prof. Kapil is right about historical facts given by him from Nizami and Habib, Barni, Abul Fazl etc.
पिछले 12 वर्षों से मेरे परिवार को उत्तर प्रदेश पुलिस प्रशासन द्वारा मानसिक प्रताड़ना दिया जा रहा है ।
ruclips.net/video/pTlMhIT1t8o/видео.html
मुख्यमंत्री कार्यालय उत्तर प्रदेश व पुलिस प्रशासन का कहना है कि यह सबकुछ मुख्यमंत्री श्री योगी आदित्यनाथ जी के आदेश पर हो रहा है ।
Please help my family to meet the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh Shree Yogi Adityanath Ji. My family wants to live please help us. 🙏🙏🙏
😂😂😂😂😂
Aise hi kapil ghatiya prof.
Hinduu ko musalmano k issue bna k gobar bna rahe hai...
@@oummati7997 tu punture Bana, yaha kya karra....tere level ki baatein nahi h ye sab ...
@@oummati7997 Hawala toh Muslim Historians ka hi de raha hai moorkh? Isse behtar suboot toh Allah Miyan hi de paayenge.
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
प्रो नदीम ने सिद्ध कर दिया कि मुसलमान कितना भी पढ़ ले लेकिन वह विद्वान या सैकुलर कभी नहीं बन सकता....वह केवल और केवल मुसलमान ही रहता है.....
Smells of Hindutva is there.
One good thing that started is, we have started learning our past more clearly. It's very important for us to learn our roots. Otherwise a lot of narrative has been fed to us to destroy our cultural value. And Narendra Modi advent in political space has caused this. He's the greatest leader we need.
Dear so called academic, the temple in Varanasi was not a normal Shiva temple. It may help you in realising the mob psychology that is simmering on the streets.
Desh Bjp ka
Pradesh bjp ka.. kisne roka hai bhai Tod lo na... Lekin ni todenge bjp wale 2024 tk.. kyu ki election jeetna h
mob mat bol lawde!! Hindu bol
Ruchika knowledge is really shallow, she is comparing different entities she is marxist pseudo liberal but love ❤kapil sir
If any Hindu Buddhist or Jain ruler hurt any temples or stupa . It was due to ruler and not ideology . Same is not correct with Mughals and invaders . From first to last all destroyed temples . In Buddhist , Jains and Hindus , all rulers did not destroy temples . Maybe one two , in thag also murti was preserved . To compare both is completely false like Ruchika is doing . Very very wrong comparison .
U r right
God save the students of Prof. Ruchika. She is an eloquent example of how a historian of little knowledge can be oblivious of strong religious, social and historical facts and consequently put forth a distorted and biased analysis.
Ruchika is a perfect example of students are being manipulated in JNU and DU. You will find tons of Hindus who can easily questions Hindus past. But u will find most of the muslims scholars defending their past. Thats the difference.
Murti todkar dusre mandir mei sthapit karna is not comparable to demolishing and breaking an idol and changing the character of the worship place..
Ruchika mam should have given numbers that how many temples were converted into mosques and visa vera. She didn't answer the last question in regards to the faith of the people.
True.
Saurabh ji ने Krishna Janmbhumi सवाल पूछा लेकिन रुचिका हिंदुओं द्वारा मस्जिद तोड़ने तक अपनी बात सीमित रखी ।
I want to say in the context of Ms Ruchika Sharma that although the vaishnbites or shaibaites in earlier eras had demolished jainite temples,but they had not desecreted those idols ,but they converted the idols to lord Shiva or lord Vishnu and worshipped them.But in Gnanabspi temple,the muslims are deliberately desecreting lord shiva' idol.
What is the mentality behind breaking idols
1.there is no god but allah
2.don't marry polythiest women untill she convert into islam its better to marry your maid,cook or anyone else
3.those who humiliates allah and his messengers they will be punished here and hereafter.
कपिल सर की बातों में बेबागपन है।
इतिहास जनता की भाषा मे लिखी पुस्तको से देखी जानी चाहिए। ना कि शासको के पिछलग्गू लेखको के लिखी बातों से।
नदीम सर् का Closing remark भी काफी सराहनीय है।
1. Ruchika madam, Agar Hinduo ne Hinduo ka temple toda to uss se Religious identity khatam nahi hoti hai. But different religion me yeh applicable hai.
Sai deepak sir ko bulaiye Ruchika ki hypocrisy ki dhagiya uda denge.
what about jain temples converted to hindu temples/ churches / mosques . Jains are not hindus
प्रो. कपिल के तर्क तथ्यों पर आधारित होते हैं । उनके तथ्यों को काट पाना मुश्किल होता है । उनका चयन विषय पर सही रोशनी डालेगी ।
Did u watch it
Madam Ruchika Sharma is definitely UNBIASED HISTORIAN.👌😊
Factual,Calm& Proper way of Discussion that we rarely watch, specially in Media nowadays.
57:00 loved the way saurav kept them on point.
1:15 Ruchika's comparison is just comparing apple with oranges there. On one hand there is Birthplace Temples on other hand there is Mosque which is just another structure of prayer which can be transfer. If Bharat Mata temple would have been imposed on Mecca or Medina then it would have been a balanced argument.
Ruchika is below average in her thoughts...
Not worthwhile to be a part of this debate...
Ruchika nam ki ak hindi book aati thi school mai bari bekar book thi
Absolutely agree with you
Leftist history padh ke historian bache ruchika ji jaise hi honge
Sir bible me likha hai Abraham k samaya me sare biswa me murti puja tha ,esse o nahi chahatethe av unke Anuyai v nahi chahatethe hain
आज तक एक भी ऐसा मुस्लिम इतिहासकार नही सुना जिसने बर्बरता को समर्थन न किया हो । सबका एक ही एजेंडा होता है ।
Kapil ji is very good, talking with facts and logical viewpoint..
रुचिका शर्मा का ज्ञान थोड़ा कम है इसने शायद मांडू देखा नहीं है देखा होता तो ऐसी बात ना करती।
Pro. Ruchika gave new angle to see history
Prof Kapil has got a new fan today!
Good to see prof like Kapil...very good debate.
रुचिका अगर इस पैनल मे नहीं होती तो ज्यादा अच्छी debate हो पाती... फ़िज़ूल के logic and reference दिए जा रही है मैडम 🤦♂️
"Fijul" logic & reference😅😅😅
रुचिका ही निष्पक्ष बोल रहीं हैं।
पॉलिटिकल नजरिए से देखे तो भी आक्रांताओ का कोई भी निशान आजाद मुल्क में होना नहीं चाहिए। सबका अपने धर्म संस्कृति के अनुसार पुनः निर्मित करना चाहिए।
Dear Saurabh thanks for organizing such a beautiful debate , there are three people representing Ancient , Medieval and Present periods. Most of the people doesn't like quarrelling among themselves. They want peace in their present competitive world , where one need hard to earn bread and butter. HISTORY IS TO TAKE LESSON FROM THE PAST , NOT TO REPEAT.
Isn't Islamic Invaders your heroes ?
बहुत सुंदर प्रोफेसर कपिल सर
जब आप इतने विद्वानों को बिना किसी बहस और हो हल्ला किये बिना सुनते हैं तो आप स्पष्ट रूप से अपनी राय बना सकते हैं धन्यवाद lalntop इतनी अच्छी debate के लिए👍👍
Prof. Kapil and Prof. Nadim have logically deliberated the issue with different prospective. Madam Sharma' effort to oppose the popular fact based narrative about religious intent of Sultanate & Moghuls by highlighting a rare example , clearly indicates her inclination to left ideology. Vijaynagar empire case may be one of the rare case, but concealing of fact regarding intent of these attackers to demolish hindu culture and civilisation to prove superiority of Islam; is unjustifiable.
Even in that case idol was respectfully kept.
Also he didn't break temple. He just shifted the idol to his kingdom. Different from breaking temple. Lot of temples were changed in ancient and mediaeval time. No doubt about it. But example given of Vijayanagar was not good enough.
She is a Leftist and Agenda driven, is proved by her words "Broke" the idols she spoke more than once. She clearly says the winner king broke the idol and took it to his kingdom and established it in his temple because he too was a Krishna devotee. How can a hindu devotee break the idol? Khandit Murti is never worshipped but immersed. This proves that the winner king took the idol without breaking it to his temple. This lady intentionally telling lies by using the word 'broke' more than once to draw similarity with the destruction of thousands of temple by Muslim invaders and justifies them as normal act of that time.
Rare example? She gave like 10 examples in 20 minutes. 🤦♂️
All difficult y is with the thought of grabbing the others property .uff tired off all this headache no doute outsiders has came and destroy our pease . nobody knows when this controversy will over .only all mighty can .
HINDU ❌😎❌ MUSALMAN 😎
AYODHYA.....❌ MAKKA ❌ ARAB ❌ ME
MATHURA...❌ MADINA
KASHI......... ❌ KABA ❌ DEKHO 😎
Dear Saurabh , good that you invited Ms Ruchika for the debate. Two things - interpretation and analysis of history & facts should be scientific and with same base unit of mearements. Here she compared the Karnataka temple with incident with Mughals. This is the flaw of the Arts faculties run in the universities by non rational intellectuals.
DU and JNU have historian like ruchika.ask her any question.... She will answer the question in a way she always wanted to answer according to her ideology. Ruchika..... Sucks
Perfect 😂
Ruchika should use correct words...the veera Shivait Lingayats you were referring to as a "cult", is a sect of Hinduism. You said you have done an MPhil in Bijapur so you must know better than calling Lingayat samaj a "cult".
She is totally influenced by left ideology she even doesn't know how to respect idols . Very arrogant .😡
We are proud on Ahiliya bai holkar who rebuild India Temple Without any blood She used 90% of her revenue in restoration of temple distroyed by Mugals and invaders She herself used to sleep in Simple house but Rebuild whole india temple .
They Are proud on Aurenjeb Who was UZBEK who killed thousand indian Converted The forefather of who defend them today Tey looted 1000 temples of india .
WE ARE NOT SAME
Koi Muslim Saltanat ho ya Moghal Dynesty , sabne Hindu Community pe Atrocities he kee kisi na kam kisi ne Jaroorat se jada ,
Leepapoti aur generalised karne ki koshish use less hai .
100 % agreed with opinion of Prof. Kapil Kumar .
Breaking Idols of any religion has never been part of Hindu preaching. But in Islam, breaking Idols of other religions have been integral part of Islam.
I have recently visited jogulamba temple complex in telangana...
The scale of devastation of temples is beyond one's thoughts...
Why sooo much hatred... Not understandable...
Idol hatred is the reason. They hate idol worshippers as taught in their book
Watched a video on how new mosque has been installed in ancient shaktipeeth courtyard. Are the locals fighting back?
This girl is so biased... Really... Saurabh ne last me puchha Mekka Madina jaise muslim ke liye vaise hi Krishn janm bhumi hindu ke liye hai.. Isliye wo iski demand kr rahe... Par ye kuch aur hi bata rahi
Question का jawab hi nahi diya
Kahi or hi nikal gayi...
हिंदुस्तान मे ऐसा इंसान कभी महान या सम्मानीय नही हो सकता जिसने धर्म के नाम पर ज़बरदस्ती एवंं अपने धर्म का वर्चस्व साबित करने के लिये दूसरों पर ज़बरदस्ती की हो।
I have renewed respect for Lallantop's erudite discussions in a respectable manner. I was initially biased against this Channel as I watched Rajdeep Sardesai often. However, I started watching this with open mind, when I saw Vivek Agnihotri of Urban Naxal fame here and his treatment with due regards by Saurabh Ji.
I strongly agreed with respected kapil ji
साधुवाद भाई सौरभ आपको कि बीच 'बहस' में हल्ला-गुल्ला करने से वक्ताओं को रोककर एक अच्छा उदाहरण पेश करते हैं ।
Lots of love to Prof. Kapil ❤
We have to reclaim glory without any if and but.
What about Buddhist monuments and Jain Monuments which were destroyed by Hindu kings.
@@kaiwalyaghotkar832 pls share any valid ASI report or study published by esteemed institutions on this matter, we will definitely be okay if Buddhists come forward 😊.
We will do together for all dharmic religion
@@kaiwalyaghotkar832 no problem let’s do subway and Hindus will help rebuild hain and Buddhist temples. We are open heartened
@@kaiwalyaghotkar832 hindu, dalit, buddhist, jain, sikh, shaivaite, etc. Are not different. They all are sanatani
feeling much interested in knowing the factual history after listening to the historians
Did any Brahmin massacred Buddhists. The answer is NO. In fact, no Hindu, Jain, Buddhists, and Sikh dharma kings or common people ever massacred innocent people.
I feel the Ma'am reference was completely obsolete to the last question asked by Saurabh. Professor Kapil I mustsay I became your fan like last week Prof Maakhanlaal his knowledge and clarity of thought is of next level. Wish to see a debate of Prof Kapil and Prof Aditya Mukherjee. It would be a great debate to watchout for.
Example bhi hindu rajoo kaa he Mila is koo.ye nahi samja ke wo ladai bhagwan koo sirf ek sthan se dusre sthan par rakh diya.dusri jagah jakar apman nahi kiya.
If one says that in history demolitions was there before mugal, then then present time also one day will become history,, so then let it be continue,, NOW PRESENT TIME IS FROM MASJID TO TEMPLE,,, , " LET THE HISTORY TO BE CONTINUE"
THIS PRESENT PROCESS ALSO ONE DAY WILL BE CALLED HISTORY.
SO SUPPORT HISTORY AND ENJOY.
Prof. Kapil explained very well while other person is explaining Akbernama, somehow history had been distroyed by mugal.
He gave reference of contemporary Hindu writers too🤷🏼♂️
Both the other historians using sects of Hinduism to their advantage - Shivaite and Vaishnavite. There is no conflict between the two - both are complementary to each other. Please study Rameshwaram for better understanding!
No, shaivate and vaishnavite even had wars, its documented.
It was in later times that the movements to unite Hari-Har emgered.
@@MM-ue4ol yeah those were for the kingdom and extension of their rule, not for diminishing or destroying other faith! That's the basic difference.
@@MM-ue4ol war kingdom ke bich hoti thi aur kabhi bhi koi apne idols ko dusre pe thopne ke liye yuddh kiya ho aisa suna nai mene
One more comment. I totally agree with Satyavrat Mishra that "आज तक एक भी ऐसा मुस्लिम इतिहासकार नही सुना जिसने बर्बरता को समर्थन न किया हो । सबका एक ही एजेंडा होता है ".
Ruchika Sharma’s opinion is illogical. When Hindu temples were destroyed, it was attack on civilisations. Crores were killed, raped in the same temple premises. Statues were broken to break the moral of Hindu society. Temples were used as toilets. This plunder can’t be compared with earlier wars. The invaders attack was so brutal that thousands of women burned themselves alive in the fear of rape. Such history is not associated with Virashaiva or Buddhist armies. There were rules for battle but medieval invaders believed only in religious conflicts based on loot and brutality.
मैं खुद भी भूगोल ,राजनीती विज्ञानं और इतिहास का सामान्य सा विद्यार्थी रहा हूँ ।मुझे आप द्वारा इस प्रकार के प्रोग्राम से भारत और विश्व के इतिहास का ज्ञान, मेरे स्वयं के ज्ञान में बढ़ोतरी करते हैं ।इससे मालूम भी होता है कि जिस ज्ञान का हमारे जीवन पर यदि अच्छा प्रभाव पड़ता है उसे और भी ज़्यादा विश्लेषित और परिष्कृत करना चाहिए ।
इतिहास को नही बदला जा सकता ,जो हो चूका वोह चूका ।क्यों हुआ ,कैसे हुआ और उसका परिणाम क्या हुआ ?
इन इतिहासिक जानकारी से आज के मानवीय जीवन और उसके मुल्यो को ज़्यादा परिष्कृत करने की आवश्यकता है ना कि अस्वाभाविक और असंभावित इतिहास को बदलने की ।।
@@Gauravpandey-yo7tm जैसी रब की इच्छा ,जो होगा अच्छा ही होगा ।
क्या मंदिर और क्या मस्जिद ,जिस किसी को खोज करने की प्रवृत्ति को अपने लिए फ़र्ज़ कर लेता है ,तो उसे हर तरह की खुशियों से नवाज़ दिया जाता है।
I don't know why the lady is so so biased ... I request saurav bhai not to bring such biased person in the debate... She is definitely read the Marxists history and nothing
Many professors of Delhi University and JNU are biased like this lady. No wonder.
She is from JNU
With respect to Prof. Nadeem and this 'some ruchika from somewhere', have they ever read the full ayodhya judgement? how on earth can they/anybody contest this judgement!?????
Correct
Reading the "unanimous" judgment on the Ayodhya title suit in a packed courtroom on Saturday, CJI Ranjan Gogoi there is clear evidence that Hindus believe Lord Ram was born at the disputed site. "Babri Masjid was not constructed on vacant land. There was a structure underlying the disputed structure. The underlying structure was not an Islamic structure," the bench said.
This Prof is candid enough
Ruchika ji aap ne bohat sahi aur saaf baat ki hai
इस बातचीत से पता चलता है की हिंदुस्तान में औरंगजेब के चाहने वाले अभी भी बहुत भारी संख्या में है!
Itna hi nhi bhai,mughal ko shi bola jaa rha hai or hindu ko hindu k khilaaf lrwa diya..ye communist ideology hai..is lrki ne mughal k bare me ek word nhi bola,isne hindu k khilaf bola or hindu ko hindu k khilaaf lrwa diya..isne to bhut baar masjid totke mandir bana diya..ye communist hi hai,mai isko historian kv nhi manta😠😠koi hindu hokr hindu temple ka kaise mjak bnate hai😠😠😠
हर शासक में अच्छे-बुरे दोनों पक्ष,गुंड़ होते हैं और दोनों पक्षों के आधार पर मूल्यांकन कर उसका बखान किया जाता है।
गजब सौरभजी।आपने तो औरंगजेब को महान सिद्ध करने के लिए दो महान वक्ताओं को बुलाया। आप दोनों के अनुसार तो औरंगजेब ने मंदिर को हिन्दूओं के भले के लिए थोड़ा गया था ( अजब गजब तर्क)। रूचिता जी को आपने इसलिए ही बुलाया था कि वह आज के हिंदूओं का जीभर कर अपमान करें।उनका सारे तर्क की दिशा एक ही थी ,औरंगजेब व ज्ञानवापी मंदिर को भुला दो और आज के मुसलमानों के सामने शर्मिंदा हो जाओ। मैने पहले भी यही कहा था इस देश को झुकाने के लिए आक्रांता की जरूरत नहीं,हमारे करीब आप जैसे लोग मौजूद हैं। चंद पैसों के लिए अपना जमीर चमकीले कपड़े में बेचनेवाले हैं ना।भारत में भारतवासी अपनी आस्था न जिंदा रखे,ये तर्क आपको ही समझ आ सकता है। खैर आप तो पहले भी कह चुके हैं कि मंदिर और आस्था की बात को भूल जाईये और महंगाई याद रखिये।👏👏👏👏👏👏
मध्यप्रदेश तो तालिबान बन चुका है ,माफ कीजिए रूचिताजी तालिबानी तो अच्छे लोग हैं। आप लोग देश से उपर उठकर चुके लोग हैं जो हम हिंदू देशवासियों की बेइज्जती करने में कोई कसर नहीं छोड़ते।मान गये सौरभजी आपकी निष्पक्षता को।
रुचिका जैसी वामपंथी औरतें नाम की हिंदू हैं भीतर से तुर्किन है।
एक मंदिर और मूर्ति तोड़ना दूसरा दूसरे की मूर्ति सम्मान सहित खुद के बनाए मंदिर में स्तपित करने में बहुत अंतर है
One Like only for Kapil Sir
Bahut sundar tarike se history ko samjhaya gaya hai
Just imagine how this beautiful debate will get fucked up if Nikhil will conduct this debate.
Thanks Saurabh for giving your time and this debate.
If Nikhil conduct this debate or nikhil photo on thumbnail I never click and watch this video..
सौरभ जी की सुनने की कला निराली हैं, पूरी बातों को इत्मीनान से सुन कर वो जवाब देते हैं या फिर कोई सवाल करते हैं।
Mere pyare Bhai
Nikhil bhai sourabh bhai ke student hai
Agar tum nikhil ko gaali de rahe ho toh tum sath me sourabh diwedi k student ko bhi gaali de rahe ho
Appreciate the hard work brothers ❤️
Bilkul sahi keh rahe ho bhai, Nikhil to pura biased hai... I don't take interest in his episodes.
The lady talked about Rudra Mahalaya Temple, and told, temple was built after destroying Mosque.
But in internet/wiki the story was other way around.
Yaaass bhai 🙏 me b sala vahi socha ki sali kaha se leke aee hum dekhe juth bolati hai false narrative historian kisne bulaye isko
As an IT student I have to warn you guys never ever trust Wikipedia/Internet blindly anyone can share there own narrative without any facts. To get some real knowledge of depth of subjects always refer authentic Books.
Because these are leftist urban naxal
Simple question , if today with video and real time , “shivling” is called fountain . Then in their hands you can understand why history is so distorted . Product of that history is people like Ruchika who it is very scary is teaching history , so more children will be brainwashed.
Thanks Lallan top to bring such intellectual opinions to us and help us to vanish out the misconceptions to build our India great.
Good and ilmi guftugu. All participants are appreciated including anker
*Karseva ki karo taiyari*
*Bula rahe hain Tripurari 🔱🔱*
*Jai Bholenath Jai Shiv* 🔱🔱
*Jai Kashi Vishwanath 🔱🔱🔱*
Pls make a wise choice historians avoid calling ruchika sharma who can't even no the difference of damaging and shifting of idol.her views were very keen to defend the demolition done by mughals references given by her were not enough to defend
बहुत ही बढ़िया जानकारी दी गई कपिल जी के द्वारा बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद
Love ❤️ you Nadeem sahab
Real good