Who knew the N64 could look this good? - Nintendo 64 HD Setup with EON Super 64 | Nintendrew
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2019
- In this video, we’ll check out the Super 64 from EON Gaming, and push it to its limits to determine the ultimate HD setup for Nintendo 64. Thanks for watching!
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1:49 Correction: I've been informed that the RetroTINK 2X can also accept S-video input from N64, but I don't have any S-video cables on-hand to add that option to this comparison. Might eventually have to revisit the HD daisy chain down the road with more options! 😉 Cheers.
Hi!
You don't have s video cables for Nintendo 64 either? Come on nintendrew! I have the monster purple s video cables, those are great.
Official Nintendo S cables are pretty rare. I was lucky to have one from the SNES era. And since they fit the N64, and GameCube win win 😊
Kind of an unfair comparison, since most reviewers seem to agree that the the Retrotink with S-Video generates fairly similar results to the Eon (which is also more expensive and less versatile compared to the Retrotink). I'm also surprised you'd buy a Retrotink and not know to use the S-Video input, that seems like a huge oversight if you were interested enough to spend that much money to improve the image quality in the first place.
@@marthmarthmarth Same here. Still looks great on my CRT, and I haven't really upgraded my classic systems to an all digital solution yet.
Rumor has it if you stack a 3rd device, your N64 can run Crysis. 😄
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If you stack 1000 you can run Cyberpunk 2077
Ust use the DS expansion pack
I have an N64, can confirm I stacked the mysterious "3rd device" it ran crysis.
I KNOW NAME OF THIS THIRD DEVICE BUT I WONT TELL YOU
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When I started collecting, I saw a single vid from this guy, and then I was hooked. I have a good collection now thanks to Nintendrew, thanks dude.
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Well color me impressed! I did not expect quite *that* big of a difference. Just goes to show how far scaling technology has come over the years. Great video as usual man! Can't wait to see the separate video you do on the Marseille mClassic!
Backwards long jumping in HD! Just what I always wanted!
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who was the 1 guy who gave this 65 likes?
Project 64: Am I a joke to you?
Wii U VC: Am I a joke to you?
That Perfect Dark footage was particularly mind-blowing. Good video man. Thank you.
Seeing OOT this clear reminds me of how it looks on GC when they ported it. I was so impressed I went ahead and beat it all over again back in the day.
Time to use this for it's ultimate application: Playing Pokémon Yellow in 1080p at 3x speed via Pokémon Stadium's Dodrio Game Boy Tower
1440p if you do it right!
The oldest (mainseries, i just realized pokemon stadium one is probably older) pokemon game I still have is actually Silver (the internal battery is still good, last time i checked). I don’t have Stadium 2.
Best review on this so far. I would be glad to have this but not for more than $50. All these reviewers received theirs for free though so it is hard to trust their judgement on these.
Appreciate it! I definitely couldn't justify $150 for it myself, but it might be a viable option for real enthusiasts/speedrunners, etc. The mClassic, though, I absolutely love. :P Will have more on that in a week or so.
I am excited to see that review. You are my favorite RUclipsr and I look forward to and trust your reviews the most!
That's the thing, though. Enthusiasts would never buy this over the UltraHDMI, which costs only $10 more and provides actual HDMI-quality video. I feel like the Super 64 was made just to prey on people who don't know any better.
@@Nintendrew Speedrunners will never use this as it for sure introduces lag. Additionally, like you said, the price is just too high. If you buy a retrotink and an svideo cable you'll be off cheaper and with more versatility. Eon just seems to enjoy the momentum of the gchd and wants to stay relevant? Gchd is the best quality out of a cube. This thing is just a good looking plug and play. You can get better for botg cheaper and more expensive.
@@Nintendrew Where is the link for the mClassic?
Amazing set-up, you always come up with great things to show us Drew. Love it!
Great review. Thank you for making this. I loved the stacked adapters quality!
I wish we got a side-by-side of Slick Mode with and without the mClassic.
ALSO, IMO, the Slick Mode+mClassic combination works WONDERS for polygons and CERTAIN UI elements, but IMO for some text and textures, the smoothing algorithm might be a SMIDGE too aggressive and it can almost look like the edges were "smeared" rather than smoothed, giving an almost painted look. The best showing of this is the comparison highlight reel near the end of the video, the Nintendo copyright on the Zelda title screen, and all the text in the StarFox section.
Yeah the painted look isn't good.
When it costs more then the console you're plugging it into, there's a problem.
Eh, not really, as a bare N64 can be had for under $50.
Sometimes a good, original N64 controller with a tight stick can cost as much as the console itself as well, it's all offer and demand.
I got my n64 with every cable and a slight wobbly controller for 40usd in a game store
Buy an old CRT TV, and it looks almost as good
Try getting a translucent n64 or Pikachu edition. Cost more than the standard grey n64 obviously.
Now, but not when the 64 was new lol.
Woah! This is like, totally rad bro! I never knew you could have such an image without modding the system! I might have to buy these!
that looks bloody amazing, there's definitely a noticeable improvement over there!
Great work on the video! Only miss step would be the omission of S-video as a viable option as well.
This looks terrific! I bought an older TV just the 64, but this’ll be a great tool
I gotta admit, the resolution/format changers like this don't usually impress me, but the super64 and masielle piece working together had my jaw on the floor! Can't believe you got something that good out of an n64!
you have both?
I love that the "ultimate setup" for N64 visuals looks so ridiculous. It's like the meme of all those old adapters connecting through from USB to Serial or something 😂😂
I watched that entire video before I realized what was happening lol😂😂😂
I got a billion videos in my sub feed about this thing. But if Nintendrew makes a video about it, it's a must watch.
I'd need a loan from a small country to buy both of those 😩
Excellent review! I really appreciate the variety of games shown.
hey Nintendrew!
i really love all your N64 Hardware Videos! and the N64 is my all time Favourite Console! i still play a lot today, so i want to have the best experience!
This EON N64 Adapter just blew my mind! Thank you so much for this Video!!! Unfortunately i have to wait for the PAL Version, but i will buy this thing :)
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Best video by far on this product and what a surprise with that cable I’ve never heard about! How is lag though because that’s my biggest personal issue with stuff like this?
Thats sooo awesome i need both devices , nice video !!!
I like how I look up thia exact topic and you uploaded what I need the same day
"The Super 64 aims to provide the best possible image from an unmodified N64."
This is mostly true, but it's important to note that it has to rely on the S-Video output of the console, since that's the best (analog) signal that an unmodded N64 can provide.
If a stock N64 could output RGB, then that would definitely be the preferred analog connection of choice.
(and I'm not sure any of them do, even though most NTSC versions have an RGB-capable DAC that's not wired up to the AV port for some bizarre reason. I think all stock PAL N64s only output Composite and S-Video, with no RGB-capable DAC.)
So the Super 64 is essentially a converter from analog to digital, and not a true digital HDMI solution, like the UltraHDMI.
Sure, the UltraHDMI costs more in total if you have to hire an installer, but it offers a true pixel-perfect noise-free digital connection, VI Deblur, width / height / overscan options, "retro" mode" / scanlines, upscaling to 720p or 1080p, and many other options.
I have a strong hunch that the Super 64 is actually using the exact same chips as the RetroTink 2X, with the "Slick Mode" on the former being the same thing as the "Smoothing" option on the latter.
The RetroTink 2X only costs $99 in comparison, it does accept S-Video, Composite AND Component, and can be used with many other retro consoles / computers for 480p / 576p output via HDMI.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the convenience of "plug n play" solutions like the Super 64, but the price seems high for what it offers.
Even if you include a decent N64 S-Video cable with the RetroTink 2X, it still works out less, can be used with other machines, and offers a Component input (which can be used with the OG Xbox, PS2 etc.).
Some french PAL consoles did hace RGB. You then have to use a SCART cable. But only certain models did have the RGB compatibility.
@@lionatwork8763 On those PAL FRA, RGB is achieved only after adding the missing components on the motherboard.
That is insane, I never thought image quality for the N64 could be so good looking on the original hardware. Sure it's pricey but damn it's like they doubled the resolution.
hi drew love the content you inspired me to start my own nintendo collection keep up the great content
Thanks for this review! I snagged a Super 64 along with the M Classic and have been rebuilding my N64 collection.
7:36 Saria needs to get them eyes checked...
MY EYE SIGHT IS BAD TOO. THE PS4 GAME IM PLAYING AT PRESENT HAS TERRIBLY SMALL PRINT DQ11 AND I HAVE TO KEEP SQUINTING TO READ THE WRITING GRRRRR.
I might buy both of these adapters in tbe near future along with a new third party N64 controller.
I bought this and have never regretted it.
Once I started playing Paper Mario with that smoothing feature, there was no going back.
5:50 5:53 Nintendrew knew what he was doing! Best resolution I ever saw in my life, take it from me who has both collaborated on my Nintendo 64! Absolutely amazing! ❤
It just shows how good n64 was that 25 yrs later they're still producing hardware for it
N64 is top 3 all time in consoles
Great video, when I saw this product released I was hoping to see a review by you!
Not a review this is an ad
that looks amazing
It sounds like this is exactly what I needed! Awesome video. Have a sub and a like! 🖖
Finally! I can see links triangle nose
*In HD!!!*
Who else wanted him to show footage of the “L is real” fountain?
That would be interesting. I guess.
That's a texture‚ it won't change scale
I just got both and I am very happy looks amazing
I've been looking closely at the comparisons and I've noticed that at some point the display from the Super64 + mClassic freezes a little bit. This is more noticeable at the minute 7:43 when the logo starts disappearing in which the lag on the left can be clearly seen.
For those like me who think it's too expensive, you can get a rad2x cable which essentially does the same thing for less than half the price. No lag, region free, rgb support, no external power, works on n64, snes and gamecube.
Unfortunately Eon has marketed this product as the best you can get and many people have fallen into that trap. Most “reviews” of this product are blatant ads, the only actual review I’ve seen is Digital Foundry’s. Plus the Retrotink 5x makes composite video look better than this adapter due to its amazing composite comb filter.
@@fluffisaurus7090 The only reason you consider the Digital Foundry video more legitimate is because they had more criticisms than other videos. If you look at comparisons like John Hancock did, you'll see that the Super 64 is essentially the best middle ground between a lower end device and the HDMI mod in terms of both colors and picture quality. It does a better job at upscaling, and without input lag on top of it.
It's important to remember that Digital Foundry is constantly exposed to differing levels of video quality across dozens of platforms. It's natural they won't be impressed by something so standard. But the average consumer will likely be blown away by the difference.
You'll get more bang for your buck if you get an S-Video cable and and upscaler like the Retro Tink 2X instead of the Super 64 which is only meant for N64
Great game footage to compare side by side.
Perfect Dark with the S64+mC looks awesome!
Good that there's a middle of the road options between composite upscaling and Ultra HDMI
Fantastic review. Unfortunately this item is extremely pricey. I am lucky enough to enjoy my N64 on a CRT with S-video and that's all I need.
Yes you don't need all those pricey adapters when you have a CRT! My N64 is connected to my 14" Sony Trinitron via composite and it looks pretty good!
Edit : I now have a 21" Trinitron and it's even more amazing!
same here, mate.
That is a great setup indeed Kevin.
I play it on a flat screen CRT haha :D
Kevin Nunes then the image looks worse on your TV then a non-flat, so I wouldn’t brag about that
Can you please test the mcable with Retrotink 2x on N64 in a future video? With and withouth smoothing. I'm using s-video with Retrotink 2x.
Metal Jesus did a comparison with the retrotink, ultra HDMI n64 and that new adapter.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!! I just started playing Perfect dark on my N64 with my 4K tv. The blurs really bother me. Sometimes it is hard to see the enemies. So happy you let me know about this product I am going got buy it!
Hello Did u buy it if so how is it
This video is awesome Drew!
Everybody has their own preference and there is no one "right" way. For my own preference, we have a 27 inch Trinitron and output the N64 to it with s-video. I much prefer that to any kind of modern display, adapter, or the like. These consoles and games were made with CRTs in mind and I really feel that older consoles always look their best on a CRT for that reason. Basically PS2, Gamecube, and older -> CRT with best input option available. Original Xbox and newer -> Upscaled, HDTV, emulator, etc. That's my preference.
That said the Perfect Dark footage at the end did legitimately impress, so for those who don't want to deal with a giant CRT or prefer this kind of look, I can definitely see it as an option. Too bad it's so expensive though!
my preference is, everything before 7th generation CRT only, 7th Generation works on both CRT and HDTV, however Wii is best on a CRT.
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Just bought a EON Super 64, soon I'll buy an mClassic. Thanks for the discount! Hope this supports your channel!
A little unfair how you didn’t test svideo with the smoothing option of retro tink, it should be the same if not better quality.
He didn't have the S-Video cables.
Beach Please if he didn’t have svideo, he should not have reviewed this product
@@penisboy97 Yeah Agreed you got a point there.
Finally sucked it up and bought this, along with the mclassic! A little pricey, sure. But I'm looking forward to what those two things can do! Especially when combined like you showed! #retroforlife much love and respect from Canada bud!
How did it work?where did you purchase ?
5:00 Thats quite alot of detail from just those low res UI Elements! Truly some wizardry here.
I was really hoping for some F-Zero footage. Ah well. This still looks amazing and basically gives you the nostalgic feel of what these games felt like when we first played them.
I'm curious what the mClassic would be like plugged into a framemeister. S-Video cables into a framemeister is how I currently play the N64. One day I'd like to grab another system and put the Ultra HDMI into it. But my current method actually looks really good to me.
Stop wasting money
@@BavarianM no
I finally found a way to play the N64 with HD, I was going to get the HDMI Mod, but with the EON 64 and the mCable, it's a don deal lol
Just keep in mind unless you want the image stretched you will want to get the mclassic instead of an mcable. It has the option to toggle to 4:3 aspect ratio, the mcable doesn't.
@@excessmaterial ok
if you use an emulator youll be able to pull internal hd wth higher framerate, for free
I know this video is a bit old, there's something called a Level Hike HDMI upscaler. And from what I've seen of the device, it can produce an image that's close to emulation quality. Several people who has seen gameplay that's using the Level Hike on an SNES, N64, and Gamecube couldn't tell that it was being played on an actual console. You should check that out and see if it matches or does better than the devices that you've reviewed already. I think you might be surprised by it's quality.
N64 RGB modded + Framemeister + mClassic + Cinema edition, that´s the combination I use, great video 10/10 :-)
Just to let you know. The xrgb framemeister accepts composite, S, component, DVI and RGB cables directly from the console. Not just composite.
The Retrotink does component video and S-video too, plus it’s supposed to be a less expensive more beginner friendly scaler.
6:18 Hey guys Drew has Footage of Sword and shield
Oh wait
Oh man this comment is gonna piss off some mindless fanboys
Thank you! I just ordered both!
I just got both! I love them. Yes, it was expensive, but it's worth it! I have my 64 on a projector that puts out a screen size of around 108". On the original cables it's horrible. Made me not even want to play. Using a cheap HDMI adapter isn't much of an improvement. With both plugged in (I have the m-classic plugged into the output of my receiver going to my projector so all my systems go through it) the picture looks amazing especially at that large of a size! I feel content with the purchase because it makes me feel satisfied that I am playing at the best possible visual option and not just "rigging it up " to work through HDMI.
I wish there was a comparison of S-Video and the Super 64. It doesn't really matter for me since I have an Ultra HDMI, but for the other people that don't and already have S-Video (or for my other N64's that don't have Ultra HDMI) it woulda been nice. :P
I don't have any experience with s-video cables, but would definitely consider revisiting it if there's any discernible difference in quality! Thanks for watching.
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Great video!
WOW! Simple WOW! I bet Rogue Squadron would look amazing with your set up.
Its a neat toy, sure, but its not worth over 100 bucks.
For someone who wants really good footage for youtube out of the console without having to resort to using an emulator or a daisy chain of upscalers, it may be downright essential.
@@v-nus7718 Path of least resistance dictates if someone is getting RUclips footage and owns the games, they'll just emulate it. After all, free is much less expensive than $150 - $240.
@@v-nus7718 UltraHDMI sounds like the best solution. This thing is stupid expensive for what it is
50$ maybe
Oh yes... yes it is.
Since this has been out for a while now, surely the price has gone dow-
*NOPE!*
Thank you for showing this. The N64 is one of my favorite consoles of all time, and I had almost given up hope playing mine on my TV since I'm not willing to spend $400 on a modded console, or carefully look for a working official S-video cable to use in conjunction with my Retrotink. While the Super 64-mClassic combo is still pricy. I'm still willing to spend my money for the convenience of it.
You could buy a RetroTiNK 2x and a custom S-video cable, and you'd be getting just as good of a picture while saving at least $30. Not only can you use the RetroTiNK 2x with the N64 but you can also use it with other systems as well. The EON is still only using the S-video signal.
*Oh this bundle is a HUGE BUY for me. N64 is my favorite console of all time and I still play it today like it's new. Now it will finally look good on my HDTV... WOOT!*
can i ask everyone a question? does anyone know what is the best capture card I can use for my PS2 or N64 to capture gameplay? Thanks!
clutchpromo Depends on your setup. If you have a Frameiester, something like an AverMedia LiveGamer HD or an Elgato GameCapture HD60. If you have an OSSC instead, you may need something with better compatibility to deal with the off-spec signal. If you have nothing, then a card capable of accepting 240p natively and interpreting it correctly.
@@justanotheryoutubechannel Hi thank you so much for the very informative and helpful reply! My setup is using the physical consoles with cartridges/CDs, do these still apply? Think 15 years ago when I last recorded gameplay, I used something called Dazzle. Thanks again!!
Our solution was that we keep an older television in the spare room for our older consoles... Definitely not a crystal clear picture, but it adds an extra level of nostalgia to boot up an older television 📺
Cheap tube TV/monitor that will work with all older consoles vs expensive mod/cable for each console (and there still may be input lag)...hmm....tough choice.
Yep, me too. My classic consoles are attached to my Tube tv
Love your videos man
This may be the first time I've ever used a code from youtube. Was looking for review on just the super 64, see if it was worth it, and your video convinced me to get the bundle. With your discount code it was only 30 bucks more than just the super :) thank you!
Me, in PAL region, still using a 20 year old CRT:
*Laughs in euroscart uncomfortably
CRT TV's are what Retro Consoles are designed for.
Why bring them in a HD Flat Screen TV? Of Course it would look bad.
Don't worry use SCART if you can use it there or even Standard Composite Cables.
It would look nice there since CRT's supports rest of the Retro Consoles heck even from Consoles today coz I saw someone uses PS5 on it and PS5 Games looks good.
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@@Senorjalapeno26 I got a noti saying he hearted the comment and I see the heart
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Since the super Nintendo and GameCube use the same video connector what happens if you plug this thing into them
Another great vid! Always come to your channel for my N64 needs. Where did you get your shelf for the N64 games? I'm having storage issues with my collection.
Won't this all extremely depend on your TV'S ability to scale 480p? I tried component in my Wii and it was just suuuuper blurry.
Yes, very much so.
Just Use CRT's and forget about this whatever he's selling to us.
Huh. Rerez and Drew uploading a video on the same exact topic on the same day.
And spawnwave
A lot of people got this to review, but they weren’t allowed to release the video until a certain date.
@@43bigsteve That makes more sense.
Amazing. I love the old graphics, but I love the clean look. 😍
Wow that perfect dark clip makes me want this set up
Neglected to mention that it isn't compatible with PAL n64s.
A pal version is coming but id recommend getting a Rad2x for $100 less
@@ians_parks - RAD2X is great - I own one and use it on my Modded N64. I would not use the RAD2X on a stock console.
You have to have an RGB Modded N64 to get the best out of the RAD2X. - If you use it on a stock N64 you only get upsampled Composite video. I do not know why Mike Chi did not implement S-Video into the circuitry ( The Retrotink can pull S-video and the RAD2X is based on same tech - so why was it left out? )
The EON Super64 is the best solution for a stock NTSC N64.
@@albey1816 Mike Chi most likely left it out to keep the cost down. Also i could never justify nor recommend spending $150 on an adapter that only works on the n64 and only draws svideo. For that price it better support rgb, svideo, and composite and work on all nintendo consoles with the multiout connector. Eon needs to cut it out with these premium prices.
Why is it not compatible with Pal?
I play SM64 on my beautiful WiiU it is HDMI and the Pro Controller is great.
I like how it looks it’s authentic doesn’t need upscale
Wow! This is a must buy for Nintendo 64 fans!!! Thank you so much! Nintendrew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When the retrotink 2x mini comes out the super 64 will be useless
Yep and Eon is still selling the damn thing for $150, when the 2x mini is $70, does the same thing, and also can be used on other consoles.
As much as I want this upscaler to be good, the fact that it has the bare minimum and still costs $150 is a hard pass from me. Maybe I'll buy it on a black friday sale or something, but compared to the GCHD (different console, I know, but it's from the same company) it just doesn't seem as impressive.
Well done. Your a pro!
Great review man. Slick mode looks like a comic book app filters though ... de-blur with the component mod is the way to go but do like the attention this type of stuff is getting.
mClassic plus Super64 makes it look like the N64 outputs at a native 1080p! incredible!
Pasta Rhythm it’s not even out yet ...?
but theres s-video cable! you forgot about that?
I don't have any experience with s-video cables, but would definitely consider revisiting it if there's any discernible difference in quality! Thanks for watching.
Great review
Wow it's hard to believe that Perfect Dark footage was running on original hardware!
I've always used the S-Video method to get the best possible output on my N64, buf there definitely seems to be a new king in town!