Rathalos & Rathian, Rulers of Sky & Land | Monster Hunter Ecology
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:15 - Genus Overview
10:35 - Cooperative Behavior
16:15 - Regional Variation
21:30 - Ornate Raths
24:44 - Metal Raths
29:00 - Dread Raths
32:52 - Outro
33:52 - NEXT TIME ON MHE
34:21 - Patrons
Sources:
Hunter's Encyclopedia G, pgs 61, 85
Hunter's Encyclopedia 3, pgs 48 & 49
Monster Hunter World Complete Works,
pgs 239-241, 278-283
Dive to Monster Hunter Iceborne,
pgs 234-241
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[Timstamps, Sources, Phylogeny & Canonicity breakdown in this comment]
IMPORTANT: MHE will only cover main series monsters! So no Frontier, Explore or MHOnline exclusive content!
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:15 - Genus Overview
10:35 - Cooperative Behavior
16:15 - Regional Variation
21:30 - Ornate Raths
24:44 - Metal Raths
29:00 - Dread Raths
32:52 - Outro
33:52 - NEXT TIME ON MHE
34:21 - Patrons
Check out the Phylogenetic Tree used in this video series:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vr0ThfPbrzj87DinYiB-r6P2QFog8oyRDPGy7OlF9wk/edit?usp=sharing
Sources:
Hunter's Encyclopedia G, pgs 61, 85
Hunter's Encyclopedia 3, pgs 48 & 49
Monster Hunter World Complete Works,
pgs 239-241, 278-283
Monster Hunter Iceborne Complete Works,
pgs 234-241
Canonicity:
Everything stated in this video is directly taken or paraphrased from the canon sources listed above,
EXCEPT
- Species and Phylogenetic names. They are all made up by me.
- The name "Ornate Rath". Made up by me, the game simply calls them "Azure & Pink Raths"
- The difference in Venom Gland location between Old and New World Rathians. This difference is only noticeable in-game, and is never explicitly mentioned in writing.
- The mutation to the Metal Raths Flame Sac. While something is clearly different about it, no book has thus far described how and why their fire is different.
- Dreadking/Dreadqueen Gene Hypothesis. This is not a canon fact, but a theory borrowed from Monster Hunter Stories 2's post-game, where NPC dialogue muses on that maybe Rath Deviants are part of a royal lineage. Just as the video says, this is only a hypothesis and not accepted as true (canon) by the Guild (Capcom).
- Raths having low Juvenile Mortality. This is a guess on my part based on a) the large and healthy population of the species and b) the canon fact that Raths only lay 10 eggs at a time. Small clutches + high child mortality would make establishing and maintaining a large population rather difficult, so I went ahead and assumed that most Rath babies survive their youth.
You're awesome man 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
Do you have a genetic tree we could see? The moment I saw the scientific names I really wanted to see all the monsters together on the MH Tree of Life
@@lucasrios2089yeah its the phylogeny linked in the pinned comment! :D
I thought you would’ve talked bout unknown(the black rath thing from frontier) but then again nobody knows anything bout them fr in lore so it’s fine . Video was great tho !
So out of curiosity I have a question based on the criteria you mention here. Using Espinas as an example, would you only use information on it from Rise or would you then use info from Frontier then as well?
Oceaniz: “A flighted Rathalos has few equals”
Me: _FLASH BOMB_
_FLASH BOMB_
every IG main ever: "is that a CHALLENGE?"
Said equals: *psychopathic knife wielder and even more psychopathic flying toaster*
Every flagship in mainline games: am I a joke to you
Me after knocking a Rathalos out of the sky with a FLASH BOMB:
What about a grounded one who can’t see anything?
@@BobThePenguin.also the psychotic electric dragonfly
I really like this nature documentary-esque monster deep dive
I love how you explain why Rathian in the old world can still poison with it's tail even after it's severed
The true reason for the Raths’ success in life is L O V E
i guess that's what a power couple is.
@@jacktheomnithere2127the Rath couple’s combo attacks are vicious in the new games.You’ll be fighting one if them and get thrown by a fireball or a lawnmower attack.Or you’ll get thrown by the poison tail swing.
I feel so bad if I have the mission to kill them
@@Melody-yu9ueit's my next quest, i'm just too scared to do it 😅
@HaykInWonderland beating a Rath isn't hard all you need is confidence but still it hurts me every time I kill them so I normally kill them really quick
12:00 The pairing is actually explained. Rathalos have harems of rathians and patrol very large stretches of territory, moving from one rathian to the next. The rathians fight amongst themselves for who is top dog and gets the best territory, hunting grounds, and nesting locations. Top rathian also get the most attention from rathalos. Rathians who are on the bottom rung of the ladder are forced to nest in locations like deserts where prey is scarce and nests may be vulnerable.
That is from MHW Complete Works, correct? Because that book specifically speaks of New World Raths (which is why the harem stuff is mentioned later in the video). Is there any other source that mentions this behavior for Old World Raths as well? The old books all say "its unknown" and I havent checked the Rise book yet :D
@@Oceaniz Yeah I saw you mention it later in the video. What I'm mainly basing it on is that capcom has openly said the way the monsters look and act in world is the most accurate in the series. If they could've made the old world raths look and act like world's raths they would have. So I take that to mean the looks and behavior of world's rath is the default.
Another reason Rathian favors the ground is that she’s larger and heavier than Rathalos as she has to watch over the nest. This makes flight a more taxing process for them
Me and my pup sat down to watch this immediately. Very excited.
You and your pupper have such good taste.
Pup 🐶
If there is ever a petition for making an official monster hunter documentary,
I hope you are in it.
Outstanding work as always. I love the Raths. They are truly the mascots of monster hunter
4:13 that poor vespoid
Serves it right, I'd say!
I know right! I thought that was overkill.
No better way to start off this new docuessay series than with the King and Queen themselves.
I cannot state enough how in love I am with the docu approach you have with Monster Hunter content. It feeds multiple parts pf my nerd brain and heart.
This feels like we are living in the monster hunter universe and we are learning thing as a newbie Hunter from the guild
Something to note: Gold rathians uniquely have a much stronger poison likely adapted to because it is more easily seen.
I'm assuming that also applies to pink rathian, too, for exactly the same reason.
HELL YEAH
@@typeoddnamehere2362 Aye but not as devastatingly potent (in game it gives the chameleos poison status for gold rathians but not pink)
@@typeoddnamehere2362maybe not since pink’s are are mostly in the coral highlands where they would blend in well but maybe the old world pink’s have stronger venom
Your content’s goated dude. Not only is your scripting and voicing work getting progressively better and better, but your organization was very easy to follow and flowed very naturally. You’re really honing your craft.
At 20:08 I wonder if the Tail gland isn't the adaptation but rather the original location of the organ. Since Old World Raths have been interacting with Hunters for so long, and the New World Raths would have been isolated from the threat of their Tails being severed. Making the Base of the Tail the adaptation to continuing using their Venom
Holy crap, you might be onto something...
Your narration is soothing. Love the feeling, the atmosphere, just everything.
This was dope, love how in depth it all is and how each regional variation is noticable
Hyped to see more of these
It kinda feels like a david attenborough documentary, which is awesome.
What I could suggest about the rarity of deviant species is the challenges that come along with it. Having a dormant trait in your gene sequence that would cause you bodily harm can be extremely dangerous especially for the hatchlings.
For example, the expression of the deviant trait in a Rathalos could cause it to emit uncontrollable fires among the otherwise normal clutch of hatchlings. While they're immune to this fire, a lot of mother animals tend to separate newborns who they deem as "abnormal" or "sick" to avoid infecting the other newborns.
It is even more of a challenge for a young Rathian. The introduction of small doses of poison to the food of the newborns to get them immune to said poison (as mentioned in 7:08) suggests that they aren't naturally immune to it. Hence, the hatching of a deviant Rathian which constantly exhumes uncontrollable bursts of poison is dangerous to the batch of newborns and thus is more likely to be killed of or separated by its parent.
Their early lives aren't the only challenge. If they even manage to survive these, they are faced with the problem of procreation. While it is a natural drive for their species, their increased hormonal levels can further increase their aggression. This makes them view their mates as potential threats and would instead fight/fend/kill them rather than mating with them.
So deviant Raths are rare because of three reasons.
1. Their genetic expressions are rare enough.
2. They don't make it to adulthood.
3. They cannot procreate and thus cannot pass this now-activated dormant gene to their offsprings.
You and unnatural history channel both are doing a fantastic job of fleshing out and showcasing the ecology of this amazing world, keep up the great work
With how detailed this documentary is, I'm actually surprised the Apexes from Rise weren't included, despite them basically being Discount Dreads. Other than my nitpick, this was a great listen while doing some sketches. Amazing work as always.
Thank you! The Apexes will be excluded from the series intentionally because they are extremely boring to talk about imo. They all boil down to "Same as Deviant but caused by Ibushi" so I decided I'd rather spend that time on other stuff :D
Absolutely love this first Episode in what i hope is going to become a multi-season masterpiece of videogame lore documentaries!
Im glad taht you make these documentary style ecology videos on monster hunter, theres a surprisingly low amount of videos like this considering the large scale of world building along with its monsters that exist in the world of monster hunter. Keep up the good work brother man!
Just imagine how scary these Deviants are considering they are theoritically possible:
Dread Versions of the Ornate and Metal Raths
Silverwind Lucent Nargacuga
Dragonlord Zinogre
Black Bloodbath Diablos
Isn't black diablos a female diablos in heat not a subspecies
@@rafaelacielo3948yes
@rafaelacielo3948 i mean
The bloodbaths lore doesnt really block out it being a female or capable of being in heat
This is, as usual, incredibly interesting and super cool to watch, can't wait for the next video! Best of lucks for this new series, your channel truly is a gem in this fandom! 🙏🙏🙏
I honestly love this series already, the more detailed autonomy and even going into physical differences between Raths of different locations is nice to see as well as the sub/rare species and the deviants.
I do hope (when applicable) you can go into more regional variations of monsters, I just find it so interesting to see your thoughts on it.
Went back to heaven's mount recently. I forgot how horrifying egg aggression is on raths especially those loaded up with the frenzy virus as they essentially double their speed.
Even normally they are still a decent threat but by god that egg quest moritifies me it shows how dangerous a normal rathian and rathalos pair is when their muscles are unbounded essentially.
Nobody knows much about apex(non frenzy caused) individuals though they seem to be similar to deviants. but can be knocked out of their amped up state by irritating specific bodyparts.
Amazing work! I absolutely love learning about the biology and lore that supports the existence of the monsters in their universe; it really adds to the immersion. I can’t wait for more!
To say you're an amazing youtuber would be the understatement of the millenium! I honestly can't wait for what you do in the future, and all the opportunities the next game will bring!
I love these some much, honestly makes my day whenever I see a new one has dropped
As usual, love your stuff, every video of yours is amazing
The video was phenomenal! Amazing Research. I cant wait for the Video on Nargacuga!
I was just starting to crave another oceaniz video.
This is actually amazing! Good work as always! Looking forward to more!
Yo I’m excited!! This episode was awesome!! I’m excited to see what you do with other monsters!!!!
I can tell this new series will be great
Genuinely amazing documentary
Would love to see more
a splendid video! I can't even count all the times I went "ohhhh" or "no way" or "that's so cool". Thank you so much, keep up the good work!
This... This is a reboot of your original series isn't it? Amazing. Love the new aesthetic
Freaking love this style of video please keep making these!!!!
Havent played much of any of the games, but I am greatly enjoying the lore and creatures. Cant wait to learn more
Great video Pikachu deep dive was great start to the series
I got into Monster Hunter because of Stories 2, and I always loved the Raths! I had no Idea of Monster Hunter till I‘ve beaten the game and it was to this day the best Playthrough expirience I had. The main character/monster beeing a Rathalos Variation could possibly also have something to do with me loving them
I think the deviants could be related to the lack of interbreeding between subspecies. It could be like how ligers grow bigger than lions or tigers because they inherit a growth inducing gene from the father and they're supposed to inherit a gene from their mother that regulates it, but the gene just isn't there or isn't compatible with the father's inducing gene, so the offspring grows larger than either parent, potentially unsustainably so.
It could also be possible that the extra vented flame sack could be what causes the metal plated shells of the metal raths. They might have started out by using the extra heat to protect them from the metal contaminates in their environment by overworking normal flame sacks to melt down heavy metals in their systems and expel them through sweat glans or some analogous organs. The metal would then bod with the shell as it cooled.
I already liked rages lore videos but damm you out do yourself every time! Thank you for some of the best content I ever witnessed!
Can’t wait to see a video on the Pseudo-Wyverns in the future.
I love how in this documentary style you make it sound like you’re actually in the world and somethings are just unknown because of lack of research makes it feel so much more real.
I just rewatched unnatural history channel on these two and this vid is exactly what I needed today
Man I am grateful for you
Great Video with insane b roll footage, capcom gotta hire you do let more people know about there vast world and lore
Fun fact: Raths can Indeed be poisoned, they only resist pretty well the poison status, so they can be poisoned but it's pretty difficult to do so
I absolutely loved this, i can't wait to watch ones on diablos or zinogre in the future
This is very easily some of the best MH content on youtube - easy to listen to, easy to watch, and put together so well I could easily see it being real
Love this. Reminds me of Natgeo graphic days.
One thing you may have neglected to mention is that while the Regal and Ornate Raths are particularly susceptible to the mysterious Dragon element, the Metal Raths are completely immune to it. Perhaps something in their metallic hides shields the wyverns from Dragon element's baleful effects.
Maybe natural selection favored the Metal mutation in areas where Raths had more frequent run-ins with Elder Dragons or other monsters with Dragon affinity?
Wow i didn't know that rathian's chin spike is for feeding their young. That's actually so interesting Im glad i watched this amazing video.
The panning shots of the monsters would make for great wallpapers
learning a lot about monster hunter from these videos tbh
The David Attenborough of Monster Hunter
Love Your content man! It always makes my day!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
Great vid hope to see more
So good!❤
Never played any of these games but man this is fascinating
There's still technically two more subspecies. The Zerureusu and Unknown (Ra Ro). Two extremely powerful wyverns in Frontier.
They're also known as White Rathalos and Black Rathian
I don't think those are related that closely to the Raths to be part of the same genus, also Unknown despite looking like a Rathian, have individuals of both sexes.
I loved these monsters before the video, and I love them even more after.
0:29 never thought i would see a palico here
I love the Monster Hunter lore, i mean who doesn't? Your videos are great❤
I wish you talked a bit about conflegration rathian, from monster hunter online, wich is some sort of mutation where the individual have caracteristics from both rathalos and rathian
would love to see more!
So exited for this series. Ive been watching all your videos since the first 4 documentaries and im so glad to see so much detail and info for one species. Thank you for this
This was lovely
What an amazing video
Keep it going please ^^
These ecology videos have made me love mhwi so much more
You are amazing at this
Dont Rath harems sometimes cause forest fires because of the competition for mating?
These wyverns have always been my favorite and seeing a video like this was a childhood dream come true
Looking forward to more of these!
I’m so excited
Amazing video
My two favs. ❤💚
Amazing vid
Very quality content 👍👍👍👍
Ooooh? An ecology video dedicated to individual species?
Me likey!
Rathian is one of my favorite test weapons monsters
That one quest heaven & earth
Could you do a video sometime on endemic life or minor/secret monsters, like the one swimming in the lake of the Jurassic Frontier?
I did NOT expect to like this as much as I did, AMAZING work bro
I absolutely love all these videos for they are hypothetical but when you really start breaking down them like you have done in your videos and so to speak in terms even though it's made up like there are bio-analysis on different monsters from the series like a certain Selected Few but their own books that explain how they work operate and function
Sewing contrast I adore these videos and I really love them
Over half an hour of MH documentary? Just for one type of monster ? SIGN ME THE FUCK UP!
Had no idea that pink and azure raths are a complete different species. I just thought they were variants. That's literally insane
They are a sub species not a complete different one
@@LTDragoonIII Not really. The Royal Raths are a sub species of the species rath. When I said, "different species" I mean subspecies. For example a Northern white rhinoceros is different from a southern black rhinoceros. Both are rhinos but they are different species. That's what I'm trying to say
@@jikemusic8081 You started off with not really, then proceeded to say subspecies, the same thing I said.
Also your analogy of rhinos is wrong here. black/white rhino is A specific species of Rhino. (with White rhinos do have 2 sub species.)
Where as in monster hunter they are literally called a subspecies of the red/royal Rathalos and green/royal Rathian, not a separate species under the umbrella of rath. Or at least thats what the guides, and games say.
This videos great but it does get a few things wrong.
(For instance only the gold rathian gets more conductive from metal, the rathalos instead becomes weaker to water, with it's conduciveness unchanged).
@@LTDragoonIII Nope. That's scientifically not how subspecies and species work. A species would be something like a tiger or a star fish. A subspecies would be a Bengal tiger, or a crown of thorns star fish. The northern white rhinoceros and the southern white rhinoceros, yes are subspecies. But so is the northern black rhinoceros and the southern white rhinoceros. They are all subspecies of the species rhinoceros. Black rhinos and white rhinos are the same species because rhinos all come from the same species. What you're claiming is that the black rhinos and white rhinos come from the same family and not the same species, which is wrong. The regal raths are a subspecies of raths and so are the chromatic and metallic raths. Secondly, the raths are more conductive if they are coated in metal, however the gold rathian is more conductive due to golds high level of conductivity while the silver raths weakness is water due to rust. Iron rusts faster in water and gold conducts electricity better. Both conduct electricity however, so he's not wrong.
TLDR; There are families (mollusks) then species (starfish) and then subspecies (crown of thorns). For rhinos it would be family (whatever family rhinos are from) species (rhinoceros) and then subspecies (Northern White Rhinoceros). The White Rhinoceros is not a species, it is a subspecies. The northern white rhinoceros is just one type of subspecies. The black rhinoceros is also a subspecies. Same with tigers and all other animals.
Secondly, he got his facts right. Silver isn't as conductive as metal but it's still conductive. He didn't say both were weak to Thunder, he just said they could conduct electricity, which is true. Rathalos is just covered in iron which makes him weaker to water than thunder because Capcom couldn't make them have the same weakness (though iron should be just as weak but whatever). Mind you, all his videos are hard off scientific data from the real world applied to a fictional setting. You can't really nitpick about science because it is literally science.
@@jikemusic8081 I'm going to address your points from bottom to top.
Before I start, I just want to say, it's to debate science with someone who knows science.
First you can nitpick science that's how you make new changes and discoveries and as for his science nothing he said is a scientific law. As only laws can't be changed. A good example of nitpicking of science is atomic structures. There are 5 models, and when I went to college last year, they made me learn all 5 of them. To show us it was subject to change, outside of laws as we know them.
This is further proven when you are using science and talking about a video game's universe. You have to consider the science of that world. Your comment on iron kind of proves that point.
Also you are wrong about silver. It's more conductive then gold.
"Silver has the highest electrical conductivity of all metals. In fact, silver defines conductivity - all other metals are compared against it. On a scale of 0 to 100, silver ranks 100, with copper at 97 and gold at 76." - Lehigh University
(Gold is more used due to it's inert chemicals.) Both fe/male Raths base (royal) start off with 2 star in thunder. Which silvers stay with, but it's increased in the females. Now I wont get into what weakness they should have because...well you and I both know the game kinda follows it's own rules. However my point stands. He should mention that it's different for both. The video is 30+ minutes long. He can add in a few seconds.
(Side note I'm not sure where you are getting the iron part from either. I don't remember that mention in the video. Nor is it said in any sources, that i've found.)
That being said, on to your point about family's. I'm not claiming that at all. And you missed my point about the rhinos.
There is a black and white species. However, the white species has a subspecies, after it.
(Though that could be no longer canon as seen with world, and in fact there is a change they new models could be used if they return to the old world in future games invalidating the regional differences. )
To be honest it appears it ws a misscummication. You're exact words were
"Had no idea that pink and azure raths are a complete different species. I just thought they were variants. That's literally insane"
Which implies what you thought I was implying, "complete different species" implies that they are from the same family but different species.
Love the video and can’t wait for more! 1 question though, and I might sound dumb asking this but, is there a reason the Apex Raths are excluded?
Thank you!
Apex Monsters are extremely boring to discuss because they all have the same origin (Ibushis winds) and just recycle the abilities of the deviants to varying degrees.
Risen Dragons will be included though! (if the series gets that far lol)
@@Oceaniz Oh alright that makes sense, thanks for clarifying. And I can only hope you’ll get that far but good luck!
Truly, these two redefine “power couple”
Rath is a real Couples goal.
Given how Rathian uses its tail for defense, I think its venom is more adapted to be painful like a spitting cobra whereas the Rathalos venom is probably more for killing prey
if oceaniz and uhc colab it will be mega ecology series
Is it possible then to have sort of Dread-Metal raths? Also, they skipper straith to deviant state so what would possible simple Variant would be?
Fun fact: Deviants name in Italian are just Latin words (for Rathalos and Rathian it's "Rex" and "Imperatrix" respectively)
A NEXT TIME?! YEA HOO MORE MONSTERS!!!!
Makes me wish we could have seen baby Rath by now.
Ah Rathian, my most hunted in all the MH games I've played
Yes yes yes!
Would you cover all of Gen1/2 monster before moving to Eastern/Gen 3 and 4 and then to the New World/Gen5 monsters?
Time to get cosy with some MH lore :)