We should stop trying to be any type of “ist”, or identifying with any “isms”, and know God through simple faith in Jesus. The pressure of salvation is off of us, and the mystery of salvation and God’s omniscience is beyond us. The book of Job is a solemn reminder to stop trying to sort out the “how” and start honoring the Lord.
I’m a Christian who is saved by grace through believing God sent Jesus and died for my sins! I’m trying to figure out who is Calvin and what did he do for me or anyone to be called a Calvinist?….
Amen saved by faith and not following any dogmas any man cooked up but believing the simplicity of God's word where he says he died for ALL and chooses all . Not all will choose him.
I don't know who calvin is nor do i follow him or whatever that is but I know who Jesus Christ is. The Son of God who was set forth by God as a propitiation for my sins, and for the worlds sins, and was crucified on a cross as my sin offering. He was delivered onto death for our transgressions and was raised to life for our justification. There is redemption and forgiveness in the blood of Christ and I know that God has legally purchased my soul with the blood of Christ and has made me a slave to righteousness and freed me from sin. Jesus Christ is the Way.
Here’s how: admit that the truth lies in a proper balance of Calvinist and Arminian points: sovereignty AND free will. It’s an antinomy. We are not puppets on strings, and we are accountable, and we are free to walk away from our salvation if we so choose. Then… you’ll be more humble.
First: that puppet stuff is invented by Arminians Second: you are ALWAYS ACCOUNTABLE Third: free will to what? The Bible says we are slaves to sin and when born again we become slaves of Christ so, where's the freewill part? You either serve one or the Other. Period. And Fourth: Arminius was a heretic
I think Calvinism is that balance. No Calvinist (except the hyper-calvinist) actually believes we are puppets, and have no free will. And most assuredly Calvinists believe in God's sovereignty. The difference is simply in how we define that free will. The Calvinist would say that we are free creatures, but our own nature and desires control our will (or our faculty of choice), whereas the Arminian would say otherwise. And also, about you saying we walk away from our salvation, I do believe that every sinner, elect or not, has the choice to walk away from salvation. Of course we do. To say otherwise is redundant because it would destroy the idea of free will, even in the Calvinist sense. You see this when a sinner rejects the Gospel every time you proclaim it. Unless God changes our hearts, I do believe that everyone would slam the doors of hell shut in the face of God. That's why God must elect people to salvation (ie. To give them new hearts that love God, and choose Him). Correct me if I am wrong though. I am still new to all this. But this is my understanding of it.
Revelation 1:4-8( Greetings❤ and Doxology❤) "4 John 😊❤ to the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace❤ and peace❤ to you from the him❤😊 who❤ is❤, and who❤ was ❤, and who❤ is to come❤ and from the seven( 7❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ ) spiritd before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ( Jesus😊1st❤), who❤ is the faithful❤😊 witness, the first ❤born❤ from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him( Jesus😊1st❤) who loves us and has freed❤ us(❤❤❤❤❤❤❤) fron our sins by his( Jesus') blood❤, 6 and has made us to be kingdom❤ and priests❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ to serve❤ his God❤and Father- to him to be glory ❤ and power❤ for ever❤ and ever!❤ Amen. 7 Look, he( Jesus😊1st❤) is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those pierced him; and all the people of the earth wil mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. 8 " I am the Alpha and the Omega, say the Lord God😊1st❤, " who is❤,and who❤ was❤ and who❤ is to come❤ the Almighty❤."( Revelation 1:4-8 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and all parethesis parts and symbols are also in, for, and pro- Christ( Jesus😊1st❤) in Christ too.
Ephesians 2:8-9 Amen. When I said, "There is room for improvement." that means i continue keep myself humble in Christ( Philippians 2:1-11❤😊) and keep learning( endlessly )in Christ by faith 😊❤in Christ Jesus😊1st❤ in Christ. Revelation 1:9-20( One like a Son( Jesus😊1st❤) of Man) Revelation 1:9-11 " I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus ( :) 1st love to me too in Christ), was on the island of Patmos because of word of God and the testimony of Jesus( :) 1st love in Christ). 10 On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: " Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia (😊❤), and Laodicea."( Revelation 1:9-11 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) Yesterday, i was touched to ask a question in Christ. What do I have is not from God(😊100%❤)? All I have is belong to God( or Jesus( John 1:1-2) in Christ.❤
““The Lord brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up. The Lord sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts.” 1 Samuel 2:6-7
@@ImposterSam amen yes our posts can’t capture the breadth and depth of Gods word! Imagine being there in time and seeing it all occur as described ! Thankfully we have our own life experiences with the Lord , too
Absolutely not. Election and God's sovereignty doesn't absolve us from "working our salvation with fear and trembling because it is God who is at work within us".
How ironic that a segment on humility, has engendered comments from our synergist neighbors that fall short of being so. The Doctrines of Grace properly understood and applied will produce humility and thankfullness everytime. It's the Synergistic systems which are prone to boastfulness and pride because at their core is the belief: God couldn't save me without ME!
I’m attempting to understand this better, this isn’t me trying to be a skeptic, if God is truly providential in everything that happens, does he truly test us? How can he grade our actions and decisions if he is providential in our actions and he already knows the outcome beforehand? What purpose does it serve to God?
Read the book of Jonah, it shows the balance between free will and sovereignty. You always choose and God’s plan will prevail. You don’t know God’s plan, which is why you need to act, having faith that he is always sovereign. Despite some thinkings, God does not ordain every action in your life (like you smoking), but will indeed step in to fulfill His plan if needed (if you are not meant to die from it, he will make you quit sooner or later) (Step in like Joseph’s brother’s, like Jonah, like pharaoh)
For historical and scripture exposition, I'd recommend checking out 3 books. John Piper, Spectacular Sins... John Gill, The Cause of God and Truth Steven Lawson, Foundations of Grace (2 book series)
In your search for answers; start with the fundamentals of God and who he is. (The Torah) and then move to who Jesus is (the New Testament).. Everything else is what people have pulled out of their own understanding. These are all man made concepts. I’ll tell you this. When I’m speaking with someone about scripture and God; I can tell instantly if they have read the Bible or not. If 2 men with different mindsets read the Bible cover to cover, they will have the same general beliefs. It’s amazing. I have met people across the planet that has never heard of any of these “belief systems” and or domination… but yet, we understand each other completely.
John 14:6❤😊 " 6 Jesus answered, " I am the way ❤😊 and the truth ❤😊 and the life😊❤. No one comes to the Father( God, our Father in heaven ) except through me."( John 14:6😊❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible.Amen.). Amen.
Revelation 1:4-8( Greetings❤ and Doxology❤) "4 John 😊❤ to the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace❤ and peace❤ to you from the him❤😊 who❤ is❤, and who❤ was ❤, and who❤ is to come❤ and from the seven( 7❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ ) spiritd before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ( Jesus😊1st❤), who❤ is the faithful❤😊 witness, the first ❤born❤ from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him( Jesus😊1st❤) who loves us and has freed❤ us(❤❤❤❤❤❤❤) fron our sins by his( Jesus') blood❤, 6 and has made us to be kingdom❤ and priests❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ to serve❤ his God❤and Father- to him to be glory ❤ and power❤ for ever❤ and ever!❤ Amen. 7 Look, he( Jesus😊1st❤) is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those pierced him; and all the people of the earth wil mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. 8 " I am the Alpha and the Omega, say the Lord God😊1st❤, " who is❤,and who❤ was❤ and who❤ is to come❤ the Almighty❤."( Revelation 1:4-8 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and all parethesis parts and symbols are also in, for, and pro- Christ( Jesus😊1st❤) in Christ too.
Calvinism is not of God. It is an error and so it will only produce what error produces- PRIDE. The Pharisees were proud because the soil of their heart was prepared with their man- made traditions of their elders. So each time the truth was presented to them, in order to protect their traditions they grew in PRIDE. JESUS said to them, "you do err not knowing the scripture nor the power of God. You make void the power of God by your tradition". Calvinism fulfils this scripture perfectly Mark 7:13, it voids the power of God by the propagation of man made traditions. Calvinist churches are also void of DEMONSTRABLE POWER of God. The quotes of men are more valued or even revered alongside scripture. Calvinism lead to two ends - Absolute Fatalism and a Malevolent arbritarily unjust God. There's no 'cop out' if you follow that tradition to its logical conclusion, and I know this as I too was a Calvinist and wrestled with this thoughts daily. Thank God He delivered me from that deception. My heart never agreed with it even though I thought I saw reasons to it. No calvinist has peace knowing that the logical end of that doctrine is a very maligned character of a God that is meant to be Just and Holy. They know this, and can never answer it. They abdicate to the mystery of God. The secret things of God belong to God Deut 29:29, But salvation is not a secret thing of God, God has revealed it to us throughout scripture and finally in Christ. And revealed things are meant to be understood, not run away from. Even the last book of the bible is called THE REVELATION. Beloved God wants us to know Him for that is the true essence of eternal life. Shalom beloved. Stay away from Calvinism
some will say “if he is love then should have saved everyone” The love itself is shown with “He didn’t need to save any of us, but did save some without deserving it” There is no pride, the ones practicing boasting are in wrong. True Christian’s know well we deserved nothing but hell (either Calvinist or Arminian) I don’t know you, but I have seen people that were so against God, become a christian later on, people that I thought “that person will never believe” Rm 9:16 And I have seen people growing in faithful families and even pastors, step away from faith 1 JN 2:19
The issue isn't Calvinism, the issue is when the focus is on those elements instead of Christ. Those that just spend time focusing on arguing and only focusing on a set of doctrines can struggle. Often I see reformed is a better term, because it's clear in the Bible we have free will, but we are also depraved and are incapable of seeking God, he must call us. But this doesn't mean were robots.
Thanks for your comment. You know I used to think this too until I discovered that our Spirits are tripartite (Conscience, Intuition and Communion) and what was corrupted at the fall was communion. The part of us that we use to fellowhsip with God, for God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. We still have our conscience and our intuition as like a 'DIVINE RESIDUE'. This parts in our spirit are still of DIVINE ORIGIN so when God's WORD (which is of divine origin) is preached, they like a magnet are pulled towards each other, giving the hearer of the word an inner witness that 'This is true'. Even if they reject the truth, they know 'there's something about this thing I'm hearing'. This is why we preach to the hearts of people knowing that there's a foundation that every man who's scientient has an innate knowledge of God irrespective of culture, tribe or background. God's law is written in our hearts as proof. God did not leave man without a witness. YES we FELL, and from that point onwards is decay (because COMMUNION is severed and we are therefore separated from our source of life) but when we are born again COMMUNION is restored and you become like whom you fellowship with. Our consciences however damaged they are, at salvation begins to be set right, by our INTUITIONS (which an unbeliever calls, "gut feeling") we begin our walk with the Holy Spirit step by step, hearing His commands and obeying. The ark of the covenant that was in the HOLY OF HOLIES which was the seat of communion had two main things within the ARK. The tablets of 10 COMMANDMENTS (a type of our CONSCIENCE) and Aaron's Rod that Budded (a type of our Intuition). And the top of the Ark from where the Voice of God spoke to MOSES Numbers 7:89 (A type of our COMMUNION). This is also were the Blood had to be sprinkled "Mercy Seat" so that COMMUNION is restored year after year. Thank God for JESUS CHRIST who by His blood entered in ONCE into the Holy place to offer eternal redemption for sins. Continue in Christ brother@@joshuamaddrey19
Brother, thank you for your comment Since you brought up Romans 9. Were it possible also that Romans 9 is not talking about individual arbritrary election. I believe scripture is very clear that election has nothing to do with individual salvation, but uses those analogies of "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated" to paint to us a picture contrasting between the law and grace. For the Law came through Moses, Grace and truth came to Jesus Christ God is clearly demonstrating to us that His prefered method for saving people is through Grace not the law. Chronologically in time, the law came first, grace came later when Christ shed His blood. God gave us various picture of His preference was the 2nd not the 1st. This has and had nothing to do with ESAU OR JACOB it all had to do with God's eternal preference from eternity past on how He was going to bring about salvation. just as it says in Rom 9:11 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth it was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger". God is clearly describing here that it is not that THE LAW is bad or that GRACE is better, BEFORE the foundations of the earth He chose to save us by the latter not the former. Therefore Paul says the Law was our School master to bring us to CHRIST (Grace). The LAW served GRACE, not by any fault of the LAW by itself but because this is how God chose to reveal His Salvation. DIVINE ELECTION IS GOD CHOOSING TO EXTEND HIS SALVATION THROUGH THE AGENCY OF GRACE NOT LAW. The elder (chronologically) must serve the younger. The election of God can be seen in many examples from scripture that highlighted God's preference for the LATTER not the FORMER. I will list a few were the elder served the younger: Adam ---- Christ (Last Adam) Ishmael ---- Isaac Saul ----- David Moses ---- Joshua (YEHOSHUA) It is not a mistake that the one who took Israel into the Promised land was also called JESUS. Remember the Law came through Moses Vashti ---- Queen Esther Israel as a nation---- Zion (Body of Christ including Jew & Gentile) Thank you brother for your courteous response, maybe consider this interpretation of Election through prayer. God bless you @@aroB777
We know that God does all of this stuff but does that mean that he always does it. The original question still stands what is the point of trying to become more humber if God controls everything.
I only accepted the Calvinist view 25 years after my conversion because I didn't understand it.. But this doesn't give me a sense of pride, it's more like a sense of reverence...why me Lord? After all these years my family and friends remain unbelievers no matter how much I share the Gospel....so I stopped. This confirms that without divine intervention (Holy Spirit), they have zero chance of seeing Christ. Instead they hope their good deeds will surpass their evil deeds. Earned Grace is no longer Grace.
God simply chose those who would choose Him. Calvinism is basically no different than believing that people have free will to choose God, because in the end it was God who prophesized his believers.
Final Destiny: The Future Reign of the Servant Kings by Joseph Dillow. Both Armenian and Calvinist doctrine have truth in them and yet they are both wrong. The Lord is showing those who are diligently seeking Him that this is true.
I can’t stand theses questions regarding Calvinism,people take more pride calling themselves a Calvinist before a Christian ,he was a man a sinner like you and me become a humbler Christian instead
Is a theory based from John Calvin from the 1500's. Many don't agree. The primary opposing view is Aminianism... also not without its opposition. The best truth is the Bible
It’s an absolute waste of time theorised but a so called scholar when he was but a new Christian. It’s handy to understand it to be aware of the false nature of the teaching such as the cessation teaching that denies the gifts of The Holy Spirit are for today. Be blessed friend.
@@nickhybner8485 thanks for the reply, however, don’t understand your comment unfortunately🤔 I’ll just stick to the writings in the Bible, can’t go wrong with that😌🙏🏽 be blessed as well!
Let me help you here "How can I become a Humbler follower of Christ?" Well first off don't accept Calvinism, it's a false philosophy that worships a false view of God's sovereignty. God doesn't have to control all things to be sovereign, He is sovereign because He is the ultimate authority & He rules as He pleases. It pleases Him to give us the ability to choose Him or not. To be humble we must follow Christ example. Be kind, compassionate, stand up for truth & goodness, love everyone. This leads to humility
I would have never chosen God had it not been for Him to open eyes and ears. I was doomed not just eternally but also in this life. Why would I want full will in authority to reject the living, loving God that I know. I was conscripted for my good.
@@jessethomas3979The word Rapture…isn’t in the Bible either but 1 Thess 4:16 clearly describes the rapture event in the future. The word Trinity as you stated isn’t found either but many scriptures describe Father God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit!! 1 John 5:7 says there are 3 that bear witness in Heaven. The Father, The Word which is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit!! That definently describes the Trinity!!!!
Jesus died for ALL. Period. Would you as a parent be so callous as to bestow favor on certain of your children but shut out the rest of your offspring? Far be it from us to assign such nonsense to God. Multitudes of verses state he died for all, wants all to be saved, draws all men. Why draw all then refuse them? Of course not all will choose him. We do have free will! The TULIP of Calvinism is heresy.
Calvinism is NOT a "humbling doctrine." On the contrary, Calvinism leads to pride. Here is why: The subconscious fills in the gap as to the reason why God chose him/her, since surely, God is not arbitrary. The subconscious tells the self that there must be something good or righteousness in self for God to have chosen him/her. Calvinism creates ignoble people like Donald Trump. Unless we know the truth and understand that we have been chosen and given the grace for our humility (James 4:6-7; 1 Peter 5:5), we will not be set free. We will continue to be ruled by this subconscious pride and Satan. Humility is knowing your place. It is thinking of yourself not too high or hypocritically too low.
There's no gap to be filled. Why did God choose me every "Calvinist" knows He choose me fo his glory and that alone should be humbling because it's a privilege and not withstanding of what I do or where I stand HE get the Glory.
This is so good. God is so good and I am but a wretched sinner undeserving of mercy and yet He reached out and by His grace, I am saved! ❤️❤️
.... because you chose to accept the gift of grace
May the Lord bless everyone from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic! I love this episode!
help us to do your justice Lord, love your mercy, and walk humbly with our God!
There's only one thing I desire the most, to be known by The creator, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Amen!
We should stop trying to be any type of “ist”, or identifying with any “isms”, and know God through simple faith in Jesus. The pressure of salvation is off of us, and the mystery of salvation and God’s omniscience is beyond us. The book of Job is a solemn reminder to stop trying to sort out the “how” and start honoring the Lord.
I’m a Christian who is saved by grace through believing God sent Jesus and died for my sins! I’m trying to figure out who is Calvin and what did he do for me or anyone to be called a Calvinist?….
Amen saved by faith and not following any dogmas any man cooked up but believing the simplicity of God's word where he says he died for ALL and chooses all . Not all will choose him.
Amen 🙏
@@mikep3455I think it is just a general way of explaining a certain biblical view. When people use it as labels I think it is taken a little too far.
How beautifully stated👑
I needed this.
I don't know who calvin is nor do i follow him or whatever that is but I know who Jesus Christ is. The Son of God who was set forth by God as a propitiation for my sins, and for the worlds sins, and was crucified on a cross as my sin offering. He was delivered onto death for our transgressions and was raised to life for our justification. There is redemption and forgiveness in the blood of Christ and I know that God has legally purchased my soul with the blood of Christ and has made me a slave to righteousness and freed me from sin. Jesus Christ is the Way.
There we go!! Get Calvin out of here!! 😂 Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior!!! 💯
Amen
Hallellujah! Amen!
Don’t bother looking into Calvin or Calvanism as typically it simply brings division amongst Gods people.
Here’s how: admit that the truth lies in a proper balance of Calvinist and Arminian points: sovereignty AND free will. It’s an antinomy. We are not puppets on strings, and we are accountable, and we are free to walk away from our salvation if we so choose. Then… you’ll be more humble.
First: that puppet stuff is invented by Arminians
Second: you are ALWAYS ACCOUNTABLE
Third: free will to what? The Bible says we are slaves to sin and when born again we become slaves of Christ so, where's the freewill part? You either serve one or the Other. Period.
And Fourth: Arminius was a heretic
We have an inflated view of free will. Free will is prideful.
@marius-9333 all good arminians are closet calvinists.
@@sojourner2013 Bothe views risk Pride. Wouldn’t you say? The truth lies inna balance for the Bible says much about both
I think Calvinism is that balance. No Calvinist (except the hyper-calvinist) actually believes we are puppets, and have no free will. And most assuredly Calvinists believe in God's sovereignty. The difference is simply in how we define that free will. The Calvinist would say that we are free creatures, but our own nature and desires control our will (or our faculty of choice), whereas the Arminian would say otherwise.
And also, about you saying we walk away from our salvation, I do believe that every sinner, elect or not, has the choice to walk away from salvation. Of course we do. To say otherwise is redundant because it would destroy the idea of free will, even in the Calvinist sense. You see this when a sinner rejects the Gospel every time you proclaim it. Unless God changes our hearts, I do believe that everyone would slam the doors of hell shut in the face of God. That's why God must elect people to salvation (ie. To give them new hearts that love God, and choose Him).
Correct me if I am wrong though. I am still new to all this. But this is my understanding of it.
Amen
Philippians 2:1-11❤
Revelation 1:4-8( Greetings❤ and Doxology❤)
"4 John 😊❤
to the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace❤ and peace❤ to you from the him❤😊 who❤ is❤, and who❤ was ❤, and who❤ is to come❤ and from the seven( 7❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ ) spiritd before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ( Jesus😊1st❤), who❤ is the faithful❤😊 witness,
the first ❤born❤
from the dead,
and the ruler of the kings
of the earth.
To him( Jesus😊1st❤) who loves us and has freed❤ us(❤❤❤❤❤❤❤) fron our sins by his( Jesus') blood❤,
6 and has
made us
to be kingdom❤ and priests❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ to serve❤ his God❤and Father- to him to be glory ❤ and power❤ for ever❤ and ever!❤ Amen.
7 Look, he( Jesus😊1st❤) is coming
with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those pierced him;
and all the people of the earth wil mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.
8 " I am the Alpha and the Omega, say the Lord God😊1st❤, " who is❤,and who❤ was❤ and who❤ is to come❤ the Almighty❤."( Revelation 1:4-8 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and all parethesis parts and symbols are also in, for, and pro- Christ( Jesus😊1st❤) in Christ too.
Ephesians 2:8-9 Amen.
When I said, "There is room for improvement." that means i continue keep myself humble in Christ( Philippians 2:1-11❤😊) and keep learning( endlessly )in Christ by faith 😊❤in Christ Jesus😊1st❤ in Christ.
Revelation
1:9-20( One like a Son( Jesus😊1st❤) of Man)
Revelation 1:9-11
" I, John,
your brother and companion
in the suffering
and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus ( :) 1st love to me too in Christ), was on the island of Patmos because of word of God and the testimony of Jesus( :) 1st love in Christ).
10 On the Lord's Day
I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
11 which said: " Write on a scroll what you see and
send it to the seven churches:
to
Ephesus,
Smyrna,
Pergamum,
Thyatira,
Sardis,
Philadelphia (😊❤),
and Laodicea."( Revelation 1:9-11 Zondervan NIV Study Bible)
Yesterday, i was touched to ask a question in Christ.
What do I have is not from God(😊100%❤)?
All I have is belong to God( or Jesus( John 1:1-2) in Christ.❤
Philippians 2:1-11😊❤
Ephesians 2:8😊❤
John 14:6😊❤
Matthew 28:19-20😊❤
Surely under Calvanism its up to God whether you are humble or not
““The Lord brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up. The Lord sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts.”
1 Samuel 2:6-7
what an incredible section from 1-10
@@ImposterSam amen yes our posts can’t capture the breadth and depth of Gods word! Imagine being there in time and seeing it all occur as described ! Thankfully we have our own life experiences with the Lord , too
Absolutely not. Election and God's sovereignty doesn't absolve us from "working our salvation with fear and trembling because it is God who is at work within us".
@@PennySmartyes book of Jonah describes the perfect balance . We can’t will ourselves to follow Gods will but God can
How ironic that a segment on humility, has engendered comments from our synergist neighbors that fall short of being so.
The Doctrines of Grace properly understood and applied will produce humility and thankfullness everytime. It's the Synergistic systems which are prone to boastfulness and pride because at their core is the belief: God couldn't save me without ME!
Jesus said except ye repent
Ye Will perish
The message today is God loves you and accept Jesus
No mention of repentance!
I know. Perhaps say “I am not of Calvin”
See 1 Corinthians 3:4.
Sleep like a baby in election. Wake up and shout in the streets as an Arminian. Its a tension we have to accept.
Something I never read in the Scriptures, unless you can point to a passage that teaches a "tension."
So let me ask you this question. Can you persue righteousness and humility beyond what God has given you the grace to obtain...
I’m attempting to understand this better, this isn’t me trying to be a skeptic, if God is truly providential in everything that happens, does he truly test us? How can he grade our actions and decisions if he is providential in our actions and he already knows the outcome beforehand? What purpose does it serve to God?
Read the book of Jonah, it shows the balance between free will and sovereignty.
You always choose and God’s plan will prevail. You don’t know God’s plan, which is why you need to act, having faith that he is always sovereign.
Despite some thinkings, God does not ordain every action in your life (like you smoking), but will indeed step in to fulfill His plan if needed (if you are not meant to die from it, he will make you quit sooner or later)
(Step in like Joseph’s brother’s, like Jonah, like pharaoh)
For historical and scripture exposition, I'd recommend checking out 3 books.
John Piper, Spectacular Sins...
John Gill, The Cause of God and Truth
Steven Lawson, Foundations of Grace (2 book series)
In your search for answers; start with the fundamentals of God and who he is. (The Torah) and then move to who Jesus is (the New Testament)..
Everything else is what people have pulled out of their own understanding. These are all man made concepts. I’ll tell you this. When I’m speaking with someone about scripture and God; I can tell instantly if they have read the Bible or not. If 2 men with different mindsets read the Bible cover to cover, they will have the same general beliefs. It’s amazing. I have met people across the planet that has never heard of any of these “belief systems” and or domination… but yet, we understand each other completely.
John 14:6❤😊
" 6 Jesus answered,
" I am
the way ❤😊
and
the truth ❤😊
and
the life😊❤.
No one
comes
to the Father( God, our Father in heaven )
except
through me."( John 14:6😊❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible.Amen.). Amen.
Revelation 1:4-8( Greetings❤ and Doxology❤)
"4 John 😊❤
to the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace❤ and peace❤ to you from the him❤😊 who❤ is❤, and who❤ was ❤, and who❤ is to come❤ and from the seven( 7❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ ) spiritd before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ( Jesus😊1st❤), who❤ is the faithful❤😊 witness,
the first ❤born❤
from the dead,
and the ruler of the kings
of the earth.
To him( Jesus😊1st❤) who loves us and has freed❤ us(❤❤❤❤❤❤❤) fron our sins by his( Jesus') blood❤,
6 and has
made us
to be kingdom❤ and priests❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ to serve❤ his God❤and Father- to him to be glory ❤ and power❤ for ever❤ and ever!❤ Amen.
7 Look, he( Jesus😊1st❤) is coming
with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those pierced him;
and all the people of the earth wil mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.
8 " I am the Alpha and the Omega, say the Lord God😊1st❤, " who is❤,and who❤ was❤ and who❤ is to come❤ the Almighty❤."( Revelation 1:4-8 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and all parethesis parts and symbols are also in, for, and pro- Christ( Jesus😊1st❤) in Christ too.
Calvinism is not of God. It is an error and so it will only produce what error produces- PRIDE. The Pharisees were proud because the soil of their heart was prepared with their man- made traditions of their elders. So each time the truth was presented to them, in order to protect their traditions they grew in PRIDE. JESUS said to them, "you do err not knowing the scripture nor the power of God. You make void the power of God by your tradition". Calvinism fulfils this scripture perfectly Mark 7:13, it voids the power of God by the propagation of man made traditions. Calvinist churches are also void of DEMONSTRABLE POWER of God. The quotes of men are more valued or even revered alongside scripture.
Calvinism lead to two ends - Absolute Fatalism and a Malevolent arbritarily unjust God.
There's no 'cop out' if you follow that tradition to its logical conclusion, and I know this as I too was a Calvinist and wrestled with this thoughts daily. Thank God He delivered me from that deception. My heart never agreed with it even though I thought I saw reasons to it. No calvinist has peace knowing that the logical end of that doctrine is a very maligned character of a God that is meant to be Just and Holy. They know this, and can never answer it. They abdicate to the mystery of God. The secret things of God belong to God Deut 29:29, But salvation is not a secret thing of God, God has revealed it to us throughout scripture and finally in Christ. And revealed things are meant to be understood, not run away from. Even the last book of the bible is called THE REVELATION. Beloved God wants us to know Him for that is the true essence of eternal life.
Shalom beloved.
Stay away from Calvinism
some will say “if he is love then should have saved everyone”
The love itself is shown with “He didn’t need to save any of us, but did save some without deserving it”
There is no pride, the ones practicing boasting are in wrong.
True Christian’s know well we deserved nothing but hell (either Calvinist or Arminian)
I don’t know you, but I have seen people that were so against God, become a christian later on, people that I thought “that person will never believe” Rm 9:16
And I have seen people growing in faithful families and even pastors, step away from faith 1 JN 2:19
The issue isn't Calvinism, the issue is when the focus is on those elements instead of Christ. Those that just spend time focusing on arguing and only focusing on a set of doctrines can struggle. Often I see reformed is a better term, because it's clear in the Bible we have free will, but we are also depraved and are incapable of seeking God, he must call us. But this doesn't mean were robots.
Thanks for your comment. You know I used to think this too until I discovered that our Spirits are tripartite (Conscience, Intuition and Communion) and what was corrupted at the fall was communion. The part of us that we use to fellowhsip with God, for God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. We still have our conscience and our intuition as like a 'DIVINE RESIDUE'. This parts in our spirit are still of DIVINE ORIGIN so when God's WORD (which is of divine origin) is preached, they like a magnet are pulled towards each other, giving the hearer of the word an inner witness that 'This is true'. Even if they reject the truth, they know 'there's something about this thing I'm hearing'. This is why we preach to the hearts of people knowing that there's a foundation that every man who's scientient has an innate knowledge of God irrespective of culture, tribe or background. God's law is written in our hearts as proof. God did not leave man without a witness. YES we FELL, and from that point onwards is decay (because COMMUNION is severed and we are therefore separated from our source of life) but when we are born again COMMUNION is restored and you become like whom you fellowship with. Our consciences however damaged they are, at salvation begins to be set right, by our INTUITIONS (which an unbeliever calls, "gut feeling") we begin our walk with the Holy Spirit step by step, hearing His commands and obeying.
The ark of the covenant that was in the HOLY OF HOLIES which was the seat of communion had two main things within the ARK. The tablets of 10 COMMANDMENTS (a type of our CONSCIENCE) and Aaron's Rod that Budded (a type of our Intuition). And the top of the Ark from where the Voice of God spoke to MOSES Numbers 7:89 (A type of our COMMUNION). This is also were the Blood had to be sprinkled "Mercy Seat" so that COMMUNION is restored year after year. Thank God for JESUS CHRIST who by His blood entered in ONCE into the Holy place to offer eternal redemption for sins.
Continue in Christ brother@@joshuamaddrey19
Brother, thank you for your comment
Since you brought up Romans 9. Were it possible also that Romans 9 is not talking about individual arbritrary election. I believe scripture is very clear that election has nothing to do with individual salvation, but uses those analogies of "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated" to paint to us a picture contrasting between the law and grace.
For the Law came through Moses, Grace and truth came to Jesus Christ
God is clearly demonstrating to us that His prefered method for saving people is through Grace not the law. Chronologically in time, the law came first, grace came later when Christ shed His blood. God gave us various picture of His preference was the 2nd not the 1st. This has and had nothing to do with ESAU OR JACOB it all had to do with God's eternal preference from eternity past on how He was going to bring about salvation. just as it says in Rom 9:11 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth it was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger". God is clearly describing here that it is not that THE LAW is bad or that GRACE is better, BEFORE the foundations of the earth He chose to save us by the latter not the former. Therefore Paul says the Law was our School master to bring us to CHRIST (Grace). The LAW served GRACE, not by any fault of the LAW by itself but because this is how God chose to reveal His Salvation.
DIVINE ELECTION IS GOD CHOOSING TO EXTEND HIS SALVATION THROUGH THE AGENCY OF GRACE NOT LAW. The elder (chronologically) must serve the younger.
The election of God can be seen in many examples from scripture that highlighted God's preference for the LATTER not the FORMER. I will list a few were the elder served the younger:
Adam ---- Christ (Last Adam)
Ishmael ---- Isaac
Saul ----- David
Moses ---- Joshua (YEHOSHUA) It is not a mistake that the one who took Israel into the Promised land was also called JESUS. Remember the Law came through Moses
Vashti ---- Queen Esther
Israel as a nation---- Zion (Body of Christ including Jew & Gentile)
Thank you brother for your courteous response, maybe consider this interpretation of Election through prayer. God bless you @@aroB777
We know that God does all of this stuff but does that mean that he always does it. The original question still stands what is the point of trying to become more humber if God controls everything.
I only accepted the Calvinist view 25 years after my conversion because I didn't understand it..
But this doesn't give me a sense of pride, it's more like a sense of reverence...why me Lord?
After all these years my family and friends remain unbelievers no matter how much I share the Gospel....so I stopped.
This confirms that without divine intervention (Holy Spirit), they have zero chance of seeing Christ. Instead they hope their good deeds will surpass their evil deeds. Earned Grace is no longer Grace.
Impossible
God simply chose those who would choose Him. Calvinism is basically no different than believing that people have free will to choose God, because in the end it was God who prophesized his believers.
Final Destiny: The Future Reign of the Servant Kings by Joseph Dillow.
Both Armenian and Calvinist doctrine have truth in them and yet they are both wrong. The Lord is showing those who are diligently seeking Him that this is true.
I Agree to this
I can’t stand theses questions regarding Calvinism,people take more pride calling themselves a Calvinist before a Christian ,he was a man a sinner like you and me become a humbler Christian instead
What is Calvinism ???
Is a theory based from John Calvin from the 1500's. Many don't agree.
The primary opposing view is Aminianism... also not without its opposition.
The best truth is the Bible
It’s an absolute waste of time theorised but a so called scholar when he was but a new Christian. It’s handy to understand it to be aware of the false nature of the teaching such as the cessation teaching that denies the gifts of The Holy Spirit are for today. Be blessed friend.
@@nickhybner8485 thanks for the reply, however, don’t understand your comment unfortunately🤔 I’ll just stick to the writings in the Bible, can’t go wrong with that😌🙏🏽 be blessed as well!
Is God a Calvinist?
Is this what you guys at Desiring God believe? Calvinism?
Yes Pastor John and I think the whole Organisation hold reformed theology
@@freecookies4free440 Thank-you for telling me =)
Who is Calvin?..
Dude in the cartoon… hung out with a cool cat named Hobbes
Let me help you here "How can I become a Humbler follower of Christ?" Well first off don't accept Calvinism, it's a false philosophy that worships a false view of God's sovereignty. God doesn't have to control all things to be sovereign, He is sovereign because He is the ultimate authority & He rules as He pleases. It pleases Him to give us the ability to choose Him or not. To be humble we must follow Christ example. Be kind, compassionate, stand up for truth & goodness, love everyone. This leads to humility
I would have never chosen God had it not been for Him to open eyes and ears. I was doomed not just eternally but also in this life. Why would I want full will in authority to reject the living, loving God that I know. I was conscripted for my good.
quote the bible verse that mentions the word "Calvinist."
Where does the Bible mention the Trinity?
Islamic dawah level comment.
Quote the bible verse that mentions the word "christianism" or "Trinity" or 'theology"?
@@jessethomas3979The word Rapture…isn’t in the Bible either but 1 Thess 4:16 clearly describes the rapture event in the future. The word Trinity as you stated isn’t found either but many scriptures describe Father God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit!! 1 John 5:7 says there are 3 that bear witness in Heaven. The Father, The Word which is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit!! That definently describes the Trinity!!!!
No reference of any Calvin….in the Holy Bible!!
Faulty reasoning
Only way to become a humble Calvinist is to become an Arminian 😂
No no😂
Understanding scriptures is humbling enough because we're fundamentally proud
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Answer : repent of Calvinism!
Jesus died for ALL. Period.
Would you as a parent be so callous as to bestow favor on certain of your children but shut out the rest of your offspring? Far be it from us to assign such nonsense to God. Multitudes of verses state he died for all, wants all to be saved, draws all men. Why draw all then refuse them? Of course not all will choose him. We do have free will!
The TULIP of Calvinism is heresy.
Exactly, the problem doesn’t fall on God but man who chooses sin rather than Gods gift. So he calls people but chooses few
Start to be humble…stop classifying your faith. Calling yourself Calvinist? Sounds like idolatry to a sect to me.
Drop the labels
Calvinism is NOT a "humbling doctrine." On the contrary, Calvinism leads to pride. Here is why: The subconscious fills in the gap as to the reason why God chose him/her, since surely, God is not arbitrary. The subconscious tells the self that there must be something good or righteousness in self for God to have chosen him/her. Calvinism creates ignoble people like Donald Trump. Unless we know the truth and understand that we have been chosen and given the grace for our humility (James 4:6-7; 1 Peter 5:5), we will not be set free. We will continue to be ruled by this subconscious pride and Satan. Humility is knowing your place. It is thinking of yourself not too high or hypocritically too low.
There's no gap to be filled. Why did God choose me every "Calvinist" knows He choose me fo his glory and that alone should be humbling because it's a privilege and not withstanding of what I do or where I stand HE get the Glory.
Is this a serious topic really 😂😂??
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