This video should be the opening sequence when you lauch the game :D , can't stress this enough how good some of those setups are and how important driving is, great video Aris :)
I think one of the biggest things that watching Aris.Drives videos have done is to make me think harder and longer and be more methodical in making set up changes and really spending more time lapping and testing to see the results of those changes. One thing I have found is to only make 1 change at a time and run a minimum number of laps to see the results of that change. That even goes for the simple getting your air pressures right as well, if you change your brake pad type, your brake duct openings or your tires air pressure only do one at a time and run 4 or more laps to see the results. As each individual change will affect the temps on your brakes and tires see what change is actually doing what. After you get where you think you need to be then start lengthening your number of laps in testing to see how the car is going to react on a full run with those settings. I have found for me I enjoy seeing how I can improve a car and the extra track time is also a plus in getting a better understanding of a car and track combination. I am also one that picks and drives the car I actually like regardless if it the fastest in the class or at that track and usually stick with that one car for a pretty decent time span. This makes adjusting to a new track easier as over time I learn and understand the general quirks with the car itself. Then my goal is first to be the highest finishing car of that make and second to finish in front of some of the "faster" models through consistency. You do not always have to cross the finish line first to feel as if you registered a win!
Hi Aris! I love your work and these videos. It’s so nice to feel the depth of something and then later hear about all the work and care that went into it. Satisfying feedback loop! About setups - I have a perspective from a newbie’s point of view. I think the reason a lot of people obsessing about setups (like me) sound like they don’t understand what makes a good lap time is because they don’t understand what makes a good lap time yet ;) I mean to say - setups can be most important to help people who don’t know how to race yet, don’t know how to build slowly and are at risk of rage quitting after hitting that wall for the 20th time. Setups might give a trained driver 10ths, but to me when I started out, (one in particular) kept me from deleting the game. Maybe they’re can play a role like training wheels. Pretty much useless once you know how to ride but can keep a kid from giving up and eventually becoming an amazing cyclist. Love your work and passion! (Ps - the setup that saved me was for the Porsche 991 GT3 R in career mode. I could not get it past T1 at Zolder in the aggressive, stock, or safe setups. Like not even once in 4hrs... it was humiliating. But kept trying then found a few setups online, one eventually started to click and I started to get around the track. That struggle was as intensely frustrating as it was later satisfying. Trial by fire perhaps. But I regret nothing :)
I absolutely agree on this. I often discover that, after modifying the setup in the tentative to make the car faster even with the aid of telemetry software, reverting back to aggressive setup doesn't make me any slower or faster. The driving style is all.
Thank you Aris, since I started to watch your videos I completely switched my approach and I started to focus on driving and I started to improve overall. Many Thanks!!
Started driving in a league last Saturday. 90 min. race at Spa 30 cars. Before the race I practiced and could drive average lap times of 2.21. Then I downloaded a setup and felt that this setup was faster but more unstable for me. With some added rear wing and rollbar adjustments my laptimes went down to 2.20. But the biggest gains in time was by looking at the other drivers with the same car. What gear they use, where they brake and so on. During the race I got to the low 2.20's and even 2.19's at the end of the stint. Just by driving different lines and gears I gained more than 1 second and with setup maybe .5 of a second
Aggressive setup are good but not with all the cars and tracks and they are more hard to controll and hard to the comfort , some cars with Aggressive setup allow me to go fast but with others I don't feel in my comfort and I'm slower and I need to change the setup , the comfort in your car in the most important thing
@@namesii1880 As dejw_d said, if you are 5 seconds off, then the problem is located somewhere between the seat and the steering wheel. 5 seconds is ages, if you were 1.5-2 seconds off then sure, finding a better setup might be able to click with your driving style better and make you faster. But with 5 seconds loss the problem is with your driving. Practice more mate, nothing else can help.
In my experience, the Audi can very easily oversteer on turn in on some tracks with the default aggressive setup. Sometimes it's borderline undrivable(at least for me). So on some tracks i needed to tweak the setup quite a lot to set fast laps.
Mostly agree that people need to stop worrying about setups... but only if you have a good base setup, which ACC obviously offers pre-adjusted for each track - and have adjusted pressures to the conditions. In a situation like AC1, or let's say a GTE team in real life, you have to choose the right aero kit, gearing set, etc. from track to track or you will lose seconds no matter how good the driving. Btw. I kinda miss the adjustable gear sets from AC, too bad current GT3 in real life have to have fixed (and often really long) gearing for cost reasons.
i have just driven a race with Aris setup in PR, its just fantastic to drive, stable and fast also with 0 wing. The aggr. setup is a good *base for the Nissan, but take the AMG 2020, thats another story. Thats unstable, unpredictable and to slow, no fun in it. So it may depend a little bit on the specific car setup. Btw, I agree that practicing (a lot) is making you better ;)
Once upon a time, I was in the Audi evo at Spa with base agressive, and spin like 10x on eau rouge (2:19.2) then I saw a guy sharing a stable setup and I went to 2:17.8... just because I couldnt keep the car on the track, but maybe the Aliens could :D
What about safe setup vs aggressive? How long should a new driver stick to the safe ones? I'm kind of afraid i accustom myself to some bad behaviour, which the safe setups don't punish
Hm I always wonder if the "Setup doesnt make you faster"-thing only applies to ppl already good at driving. From my noob experience of about 60h now I can say that the setup made a huge difference. That was mainly because it stabilized the car, made it more predictable, improved turn-in and bumps etc. This allowed me to push the car harder, feel more comfortable, resulting in 1-2s slower laptimes consistantly. If I go onto the standard aggro setup I have to be much more careful, the car just breaks out sometimes because I do a slight mistake or whatever and because I have to go more careful, I am slower. I think people already so good at the game dont feel much of a difference indeed, but beginners can profit highly. I know it from myself: I have about 15 years of competitive Quake under my belt and now I can play with basicly any settings on any hardware about the same level. But having a beginner upgrade from a bad mouse+mousepad and from a 60hz to 144+hz monitor I often saw rapid improvements. As much as playing is key, I feel like the setup can make the road to improvement more even or more bumpy so to say.
The safe Setups are, as Aris also said, for beginner drivers or pad drivers. I am pretty sure on some cars that doesn't matter all too much, but they are generally slower and very understeery.
@@Schnezler I understand that the safe preset is for beginners / pad users. Would be interesting as a comparison. Same driver, same car, same track, same temperatures etc. Just to see how much slower the safe preset is.
Well, but in this test you basically did the time with tires at their peak qualifying performance, while in race you where doing them well after their peak performance. You showed us several times one would need to do at least 5 laps until the fronts have settled to their normal race performance to start with dialing in the race setup. So are these times really comparable?
Yes, it's about confidence. Setups won't really change the limits of the car much (unless you're really going wrong), they're just increasing your confidence in the car's potential - thus bringing you closer to fulfil said potential...
Similar situations. In the race I did 1.56s low with 100lt and fresh tyres. 1.55.8s with around 70lt and older tyres and the best laptimes at 1.55.5s where with 20lt and worn tyres. Fuel load makes a big deal in Paul Ricard, more than fresh tyres. I've chosen around 90lt and fresh tyres to see how I could do, wasn't expecting to instantly do 55 highs right away. I'm pretty sure I could have done 56flats with 100lts
@@urgoing21134 firstly you can see the FF bar going red, secondly you find the FFB dulling a bit like understeer, if it’s doing it in the corners it can effect your feel in the corner
@@urgoing21134 well you are seeing the game giving this information based on the gain setting in game but I certainly noticed I could increase my gain when I had a different base and rim installed, so am unsure if it takes information from the wheel also but either way clipping effects the ffb. I reduce my gain if I’m seeing it and have better feeling
This video should be the opening sequence when you lauch the game :D , can't stress this enough how good some of those setups are and how important driving is, great video Aris :)
Thanks m8!
Does that count for the Honda too? Yes im new, but i cant do 2 valid laps in a row with this aggressive setup
I think one of the biggest things that watching Aris.Drives videos have done is to make me think harder and longer and be more methodical in making set up changes and really spending more time lapping and testing to see the results of those changes.
One thing I have found is to only make 1 change at a time and run a minimum number of laps to see the results of that change. That even goes for the simple getting your air pressures right as well, if you change your brake pad type, your brake duct openings or your tires air pressure only do one at a time and run 4 or more laps to see the results. As each individual change will affect the temps on your brakes and tires see what change is actually doing what.
After you get where you think you need to be then start lengthening your number of laps in testing to see how the car is going to react on a full run with those settings.
I have found for me I enjoy seeing how I can improve a car and the extra track time is also a plus in getting a better understanding of a car and track combination.
I am also one that picks and drives the car I actually like regardless if it the fastest in the class or at that track and usually stick with that one car for a pretty decent time span.
This makes adjusting to a new track easier as over time I learn and understand the general quirks with the car itself.
Then my goal is first to be the highest finishing car of that make and second to finish in front of some of the "faster" models through consistency.
You do not always have to cross the finish line first to feel as if you registered a win!
Hi Aris! I love your work and these videos. It’s so nice to feel the depth of something and then later hear about all the work and care that went into it. Satisfying feedback loop!
About setups - I have a perspective from a newbie’s point of view. I think the reason a lot of people obsessing about setups (like me) sound like they don’t understand what makes a good lap time is because they don’t understand what makes a good lap time yet ;) I mean to say - setups can be most important to help people who don’t know how to race yet, don’t know how to build slowly and are at risk of rage quitting after hitting that wall for the 20th time.
Setups might give a trained driver 10ths, but to me when I started out, (one in particular) kept me from deleting the game. Maybe they’re can play a role like training wheels. Pretty much useless once you know how to ride but can keep a kid from giving up and eventually becoming an amazing cyclist.
Love your work and passion!
(Ps - the setup that saved me was for the Porsche 991 GT3 R in career mode. I could not get it past T1 at Zolder in the aggressive, stock, or safe setups. Like not even once in 4hrs... it was humiliating. But kept trying then found a few setups online, one eventually started to click and I started to get around the track. That struggle was as intensely frustrating as it was later satisfying. Trial by fire perhaps. But I regret nothing :)
I absolutely agree on this. I often discover that, after modifying the setup in the tentative to make the car faster even with the aid of telemetry software, reverting back to aggressive setup doesn't make me any slower or faster. The driving style is all.
Thank you Aris, since I started to watch your videos I completely switched my approach and I started to focus on driving and I started to improve overall. Many Thanks!!
Started driving in a league last Saturday. 90 min. race at Spa 30 cars. Before the race I practiced and could drive average lap times of 2.21. Then I downloaded a setup and felt that this setup was faster but more unstable for me. With some added rear wing and rollbar adjustments my laptimes went down to 2.20. But the biggest gains in time was by looking at the other drivers with the same car. What gear they use, where they brake and so on. During the race I got to the low 2.20's and even 2.19's at the end of the stint. Just by driving different lines and gears I gained more than 1 second and with setup maybe .5 of a second
If someone thinks the agressive setups are slow, they should watch Torrtellini's videos...
Hey i'm 5 seconds off the pace with the aggressive setups and i think they are holding me back. Can i get some setup tips?
Aggressive setup are good but not with all the cars and tracks and they are more hard to controll and hard to the comfort , some cars with Aggressive setup allow me to go fast but with others I don't feel in my comfort and I'm slower and I need to change the setup , the comfort in your car in the most important thing
@@namesii1880 if you are 5 seconds off, setups are not your issue.
@@namesii1880 As dejw_d said, if you are 5 seconds off, then the problem is located somewhere between the seat and the steering wheel.
5 seconds is ages, if you were 1.5-2 seconds off then sure, finding a better setup might be able to click with your driving style better and make you faster. But with 5 seconds loss the problem is with your driving. Practice more mate, nothing else can help.
Aproved :D
In my experience, the Audi can very easily oversteer on turn in on some tracks with the default aggressive setup. Sometimes it's borderline undrivable(at least for me). So on some tracks i needed to tweak the setup quite a lot to set fast laps.
I just absolutely love the premise of this video, Aris! Thank you for continuing to create awesome ACC content for all of us. Stay safe, stay fast!
Glad you enjoy it! Stay safe!
We can learn that you do that for a living hahaha :P Thank you for another interesting short cut!
Mostly agree that people need to stop worrying about setups... but only if you have a good base setup, which ACC obviously offers pre-adjusted for each track - and have adjusted pressures to the conditions. In a situation like AC1, or let's say a GTE team in real life, you have to choose the right aero kit, gearing set, etc. from track to track or you will lose seconds no matter how good the driving. Btw. I kinda miss the adjustable gear sets from AC, too bad current GT3 in real life have to have fixed (and often really long) gearing for cost reasons.
i have just driven a race with Aris setup in PR, its just fantastic to drive, stable and fast also with 0 wing. The aggr. setup is a good *base for the Nissan, but take the AMG 2020, thats another story. Thats unstable, unpredictable and to slow, no fun in it. So it may depend a little bit on the specific car setup. Btw, I agree that practicing (a lot) is making you better ;)
The sound of gtr is amazing
Our man Aris spitting straight facts again
Very interesting video. Thanks Aris !!
Once upon a time, I was in the Audi evo at Spa with base agressive, and spin like 10x on eau rouge (2:19.2) then I saw a guy sharing a stable setup and I went to 2:17.8... just because I couldnt keep the car on the track, but maybe the Aliens could :D
Snaps !! I'm not on point I keep missing you. 😎
What about safe setup vs aggressive? How long should a new driver stick to the safe ones? I'm kind of afraid i accustom myself to some bad behaviour, which the safe setups don't punish
And even after listening to these words... There will always be someone who will say: "Yeah, but... If I had a better setup..." LOOOL
could you please explain grain and blister Aris
I love the way you said "fuck setups" haha
Hm I always wonder if the "Setup doesnt make you faster"-thing only applies to ppl already good at driving. From my noob experience of about 60h now I can say that the setup made a huge difference. That was mainly because it stabilized the car, made it more predictable, improved turn-in and bumps etc. This allowed me to push the car harder, feel more comfortable, resulting in 1-2s slower laptimes consistantly. If I go onto the standard aggro setup I have to be much more careful, the car just breaks out sometimes because I do a slight mistake or whatever and because I have to go more careful, I am slower. I think people already so good at the game dont feel much of a difference indeed, but beginners can profit highly. I know it from myself: I have about 15 years of competitive Quake under my belt and now I can play with basicly any settings on any hardware about the same level. But having a beginner upgrade from a bad mouse+mousepad and from a 60hz to 144+hz monitor I often saw rapid improvements. As much as playing is key, I feel like the setup can make the road to improvement more even or more bumpy so to say.
Would be interesting to see you re-create this video using the “Safe Set-up”
Great video though, and I completely agree it’s down to the driver....
The safe Setups are, as Aris also said, for beginner drivers or pad drivers. I am pretty sure on some cars that doesn't matter all too much, but they are generally slower and very understeery.
@@Schnezler I understand that the safe preset is for beginners / pad users. Would be interesting as a comparison.
Same driver, same car, same track, same temperatures etc.
Just to see how much slower the safe preset is.
Well, but in this test you basically did the time with tires at their peak qualifying performance, while in race you where doing them well after their peak performance. You showed us several times one would need to do at least 5 laps until the fronts have settled to their normal race performance to start with dialing in the race setup. So are these times really comparable?
I would say first but I guess RUclips is just trippin. Nice vid!
Think it’s about making the car more predictable, consistent for your driving style. Which in turn will make you faster..
Yes, it's about confidence. Setups won't really change the limits of the car much (unless you're really going wrong), they're just increasing your confidence in the car's potential - thus bringing you closer to fulfil said potential...
its all about confidence
But in the race how many laps had the tires ?
Similar situations. In the race I did 1.56s low with 100lt and fresh tyres. 1.55.8s with around 70lt and older tyres and the best laptimes at 1.55.5s where with 20lt and worn tyres.
Fuel load makes a big deal in Paul Ricard, more than fresh tyres.
I've chosen around 90lt and fresh tyres to see how I could do, wasn't expecting to instantly do 55 highs right away. I'm pretty sure I could have done 56flats with 100lts
@@ArisDrives ohh, got it. Nevermind then :D thanks for the explanation
anyone else notice how much ffb clipping is happening
How would you perceive FFB clipping?
@@urgoing21134 firstly you can see the FF bar going red, secondly you find the FFB dulling a bit like understeer, if it’s doing it in the corners it can effect your feel in the corner
@@DHedges2009 Wouldn't that red just be the max output that ACC can send to the wheel? A source signal cannot clip.
@@urgoing21134 well you are seeing the game giving this information based on the gain setting in game but I certainly noticed I could increase my gain when I had a different base and rim installed, so am unsure if it takes information from the wheel also but either way clipping effects the ffb. I reduce my gain if I’m seeing it and have better feeling
Ok now do it on an xbox one. 🤣🤣🤣 I generally lose focus and my eyes feel like someone kicked sand in em. Turns out erratic 30fps ain't great.
Ummmm ... no.