They stopped making decent jeeps in 2010. My 2007 4.7 Grand Cherokee has 170,000 miles on it and has been bullet proof. I just changed the spark plugs yesterday for the first time not because I had too but because I really felt I should. Other than that its had a new alternator and a new windshield and a couple of very minor part changes that I did myself it still drives like it's brand new. Oh and I bought it for $16,000 with 21,000 miles on it in about 2010 when gas was last at $5 per gallon here in CA.
@utoob7361 this is probably one of their biggest issues. They can make the exterior and interior look pretty, but if the guts of these cars are unreliable junk, they're not worth regular prices and especially not the housing levels $100k+ prices.
Gotta fix your house too, but I get your point. A car loses its value whereas investment in a home makes economical and practical sense. A used 5k car can get you from point A to point B too, just as quickly as a new 50k car.
I am rebuilding 1 owner 2004 toyota 4runner that has 80 k miles ,from rim refinishing to replacing mechanical items to under body repair cleaning and fully rustproofing I have something that can drive for the next decade or more, the main difference the older ones are way better built than new ones that have so many issues, but best off all ,no car payments ,with all the work at 20% of the cost
It depends on knowing what to look for, having mechanical knowledge of when a particular used car will be good,not some of the buy here pay here places
I refuse to pay more for a vehicle than what I paid for my first house. Auto executives need to get a clue. They are so out of touch with normal people.
@@williamcricket7931 NO average jo vehicle should cost over 40k canadian IMO....these prices now days 50-80k for a PICKUP TRUCK that is made for a working person is the definition of insaine....HELL the new Kona is 34k CANADIAN!!!!!! FOR A SMALL CRAP BOX CUV!!!! LIKE HELL!
I've made over 300 a year for many years and my first house was 75k in 1995. The most I've ever spent on a car was my 2005 Audi S4 at $48k. Cars have statistically gone up very little. Trucks and SUV's have gone stupid. I bought a 1997 Audi A4 for 28.5k. I can buy a comparable Subaru Crosstrek for about the same money. The Crosstrek is a little larger with about the same equipment. I bought a 1984 GMC Sonoma for 14k losded. The Canyon equivalent is now 44k.@@williamcricket7931
I had a Jeep Cherokee. Bought it brand new and loved it for about a month. THAN nothing but problems. Transmission, computer, shifting etc.... A NIGHTMARE!!! Do not buy a Jeep at no cost it will give you sleepless nights and break your bank after the warranty.
I had the same problems with my wife's Grand Cherokee. It became a running joke in our household as to what would break next on that thing. Total garbage wagon. I wouldn't own another one at any price point. This company is going to go under.
Their biggest problem is the poor quality and reliability. I think most people have a problem with paying those high prices for something that’s gonna be breaking down all the time and fall apart in a couple of years
They need to offer a 10 year 100000 mile warranty on the existing vehicles and offer great deals on them. After you move that product, they have to improve the quality on them...
I am in the process of restoring a 71 GMC pickup. It proved itself over 20 years of rough use, and is now getting a makeover. Total cost, including engine, transmission, body parts, and paint, is under $20k. Good for another 53 years.
It would be so nice if they could just make something reasonable & reliable they cant do any right now .I think they could, but the pressure from the government & and stockholders' corrupt ceo's ,etc. will ruin the auto industry & It's stupid .
That’s the issue I have with them. I’m willing to pay a little more if I get something for that money like better reliability, fuel economy, build quality, warranty, lower depreciation, etc. Jeep just doesn’t offer any advantage over competitors while always being more expensive.
Stellantis’ business model is unsustainable. As a value proposition, their vehicles simply aren’t worth it. Prices are too high, too many undesirable models, and the quality is not there. They will be out of North America in five years unless they figure something out.
People don't have money for food, they certainly aren't going to be spending $50K+ for a vehicle that is built like crap and drop in value the instant it comes off of the dealer's lot!!!
Lower the damn prices! Anyone who knows vehicles knows these are poor quality vehicles and they trying to compete with Audi and Mercedes pricing. At least the public thinks the last two are high end but Stellantis! What a joke…the three stooges of auto making! These cars should be at best half of their list prices period!
@@wagyu_killerI don’t get what’s wrong with turbo engines. The turbo engine going in the 4runner is the same one used in the taco, highlander, RX, and TX. Idk of those cars have had issues with those turbo engines. It’s just Jeep and Stellantis don’t know how to build any modern engine, frankly.
Forty seven thousand for a Jeep Compass come on now really. Dodge is really trippin. Hell thats on the price level of a new 2025 Toyota 4 Runner which is worlds better then that little Jeep Crap good lord 👎👎👎👎
@@KubanKevin My main point is that theJeep Compass is not worth the price. I just used Toyota as a place holder of any other SUV that is better than the compass with a forty seven thousand + Price tag!
I’ve always loved the looks of the wrangler. Test drove a Sahara today - $60,000. Loved it but can’t get past the 19mpg and the poor reliability reputation.
So, a guy I know who isn't in a very high-income bracket told me he got a hell of a deal on a new Jeep SUV. $ 102,000.00 96-month loan payment $ 1560.00/month. WTF
WTF, there's a 96 month finance option now?!?!? I bought my last new car with a 60 month finance plan of $300/month. I can comfortably afford it and paying it off early, but even I think that's cutting it close.
@@MrCaribe65 Tbh, Fiat has been just the brand for years now. They disappeared inside Stellantis, and engineering or manufacturing is completely american. Still not a compliment, of course.
The Hornet isn't selling. That foodstamp Tonale nobody wants it. Stellantis is going to bankrupt Dodge. The Tofu Charger isn't going to sell. A Tesla will beat it all day.
One of the other problems in this market today are these fools who can afford it and continue to buy when they don't need to. They're just continuing to contribute to the problem of this market today that's hurting our middle class. The problem with owning these over teched vehicles is not only the upfront cost, but the cost to maintain and the increased cost to insure these over priced vehicles. Buying a new vehicle on a middle class income in this market today is a recipe to financial disaster.
I agree, there are some people with extra. Cash, buying just because and it hurts the plight of those who are trying to make it happen but may not have the extra cash
The other manufacturers are NOT doing anything abt their prices either. I checked out a 2024 Toyota Corolla Cross L FWD. It's a nice average compact Suv. MSRP in Canada is $27,650. Toyota says the price for this vehicle is $30,715.08. $ 3000. worth of crap from the dealer has been added. Then there is Ontario sales tax of 13% and the new price becomes $ 34,708.04. That price is WITHOUT ANY ACCESSORIES added in. It's the basic vehicle. It includes junk, I do NOT want like heated front seats, cruise control, front and rear assist grips ( apparently ppl don't know how to get in and out of a car without an assist). , front and rear splash guards. Now I know some people want some of these things and that's fine, but it should be MY CHOICE as to whether I want them or not ! That $34,708.04 is if you are paying cash only. If you are going to use the dealers 6 year financing program at 6.99%, then at the end of the 6 years you will have paid $42,539.64 for a car with an MSRP at $27,650. Plus, remember that it does NOT come with any accessories I might want. It also only comes in a choice of three colors, B,W, and Silver at this time of year. DON"T BUY NOW ❗ WAIT 'TIL JUNE OR DEC ❗
@@markholubetz Even 27.000$ it too much :)... It should not be more than 25.000$ on the road for that car... Who want to pay a mortgage for that car he is welcome :)
You don't want to pay for cruise control but complain about it not having accessories and then complain about sales tax and the cost of financing it because you actually don't have money and can't afford to finance something that you couldn't afford anyways? Priceless 😂😂😂😂 My friend bought this car for $30,000 and loves it.
@@melissasmess2773 - I did NOT complain about it not having accessories. I said it has accessories that are INCLUDED in the price and I want to have the choice to CHOOSE which accessories I want. To assume I can't afford this vehicle ( WRONG) is pretty lame on your part. Let me guess. You are a RUDE, IGNORANT tRUMP supporter. We can always spot you guys. CRASS and NO CLASS !
In my neck of the woods in the Northeast US, the Wrangler 4XE's are now being discounted by about $7,000--similar to what you saw when the dealers were trying to unload all the 2023 Gladiators.
The people who can afford a Jeep product are not the people who buy Jeep products. These people have priced themselves out of the market in their greed.
Jeep was alway rugged simplicity. I owned a 1966 Gladiator and kept it running for many years because of the way it was made. Stellantis thinks sophisticated is better - clearly out of touch with customers. The 4XE is the thinking that will keep customers away. The small turbo engines will keep them away, the electronics in the Grand Wagoneer will keep them away.
It's because of all these preening, snobby housewives who badger their husbands relentlessly to buy "sanitized" Jeeps and the like because they are so incredibly gullible from advertising. So just like other things in this country, Jeeps and everything else were ruined thanks to "girl power." We are marching ourselves straight into oblivion.
Our last 2 jeeps a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon-Fully loaded cost $57,000. Our 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk cost $51,000 loaded s well. We financed at 3.49%. Now, for a 2024 lowest rate 6.23% and the prices went up $5-7000 more!! To make matters worse the dealers have really cut trade in value!! We've checked 3 different dealer lots and they are not selling many. The dodge Hornets are just sitting there gathering dust!!
I purchased mine Jeep Grand cherokee 2020 loved it at first. To do a new lease, they increase the monthly note 700 to 800. I was only paying 357 prior. that's a hell of an increase. So i purchased mine instead of a new lease. Worst decision i made now, they telling me my engine needs replaced. Jeeps are not well-built cars. The prices they are charging are ridiculous
Today i pulled the engine out of my 2009 Subaru Forester, 2.5L SOHC non-turbo. New head gaskets, all new seals, gaskets, hoses, it’s going to drive like new. As a mechanical engineer (HVAC and plumbing not automotive) I love a simple car thats easy to diagnose and repair. Im going to get another 10 years out of my forester. I can afford a new car, just don’t want to especially at these prices
I stop driving my 2001 Outback when it gets in the 90's, otherwise it's head gaskets are hanging in there, 190,000 miles. One of many old vehicles I own, 35 years as a mechanic 😅
I am happy with my 07 Tundra i bought it brand new in all this years just replace brake pads. Tires , and a starter . regular fluids service that truck runs like new
You make a great comment about back in high school you could buy a cheap Jeep Wrangler. Jeeps back then were hardcore no options (maybe AC) but Jeep kept pleasing the masses with all the options. Now we are here at everything is basically $75k now
The prices of these new vehicles reminds me that my 23 year old vehicle with 270k miles was probably the best bang for the buck I could get. It really helps to know a fair amount about turning wrenches on old cars. I really would like to see what a 60-80k$ vehicle is like after 150k miles and 10+years old.
Yes prices are crazy.I remember back in the day that $85K gets you in a Range Rover sport or a Porsche Cayenne. Not a Jeep wrangler with cloth seats. 😅 Dealers think that people wanted the most dressed up and fully capable vehicles financed at 5-6% not including the forced add-ons. they are crazy. Now, everyone is rushing to dealers trying to get the cheapest cars with the least amount of options. Now they have a shortage of that. Many dealers now have shortages of base model vehicles. I can’t believe that normal people would finance these new cars at 9-12% or more with average credit. Unbelievable.
My 2016 Wrangler 2 Dr. was $23,500 and has 41,000 miles on it. I will drive it until the wheels fall off. The new Sport Wrangler 2 Dr is $33,500. Screw that.
So my 21 Jeep Grand Cherokee's lease is up. I got it new in 2021 fully loaded with navigation, sunroof, tow package etc. to replace it with a 2024 same options is 58 grand plus tax tag and title, plus double or more interest rate. NO Fing WAY. So today I brought the lease out for 21 grand and it has 19000 miles on it and a payment of $396 a month. These new ones are just way out of control way too much money too high on the interest rates I don't see them selling a single one. I for sure will not buy another car for another two or three years or until this market adjusts to the way it should be
Drive through my local Ford lot tonight and it had crazy huge amounts of inventory. Rows and rows of everything. Probably 35 full size broncos. Mass amounts of Explorers. Just packed with every model.
Within Jeep brand the Wrangler has been the cash cow. So the price has risen something like 45% in a time when inflation accounts for less than 25%. I bought a loaded 22 Gladiator in early 22 for MSRP ($64K). Jeep over produced the 23 Gladiators then dumped the price to the point I could have bought the same 23 for less than $50K thus killing the resale on the older Gladiators. It's a good thing thing that my wife and I love our Gladiator because we're basically stuck with it. I hate what Stellantis (and before them FCA) has done to the brand but I still love Jeeps.
Maybe because the Renegade is built in Melfi, Italy with the designation BU/520, alongside the related Fiat 500X; Goiana, Brazil with the designation B1 (alongside Jeep Compass and Fiat Toro); and in Guangzhou, China codenamed BQ. Jeep has Fiat stink all over it! What happened to building these in Toledo?
I have a 2012 Jeep Unlimited fully upgraded at the dealership from a local custom 4x4 shop with everything, leather, tires, wheels, suspension..ect and I paid 39.5K for it. (2012) I was thinking about looking into a new one and did some local dealership searches and stop in's and anything new that comes close with upgrades would be 75K+ easily. Are you kidding me, in 12 years almost 85% price increase. I only have 46K miles on it, so it looks like I'm going to keep it for a very long time.
I have a Jeep Wrangler. Like it for what it is but it also has more defects than all my previous and current vehicles by German and Japanese manufacturers COMBINED!!!
I wanted to get into a Ram 3500, but I honestly don't make the grip to afford it. And $80K on a jeep? No way. So I went out and got a $250.00 2000 Subaru Forester. Man, that's all I can afford right now. So sad seeing all those trucks, but they're simply out of reach. Now I'm gonna run this Forester until the wheels fall off, cause I'm out of the market.
I'm not broke, and I wanted to buy another Jeep Grand Cherokee buy I refuse to support greed in anyway. I do miss my 1980's CJ-7, and it cost me $10,500,00.
From Bedford NS. Apr 13-24. For as long as I can remember there have been 3 Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep dealerships in the Halifax area. As my wife and I have an Grand Caravan we have been informed one of these are closing very shortly. I think this is a sing of no selection available at a reasonable price, people will go elsewhere
I photograph six Jeep compasses for one dealership in a day none of them. None had a consistent sounding motor. They all shook and sounded like a lawn mowers.
I've had my renegade since 2019. 65000 miles and not a problem with it yet, God willing it stays that way. I'd like a Wrangler to go off roading but at this rate that probably won't happen.
I couldn't imagine paying what they're asking ...I mean, the Queen drove a Land Rover - so it goes without saying, you're gonna pay for the privilege of having it in the shop every other week. BUT when I think Jeep, I think something that you can set it and forget it. We had a Jeepster Commando when I was growing up ... also had a rare J-10 pickup that took our family across country. When I grew up, I bought a used Grand Cherokee 5.9 ZJ - it was a thirsty monster with the modern styling from a Renault Fuego (not a bad thing mind you). But today's Jeeps are priced like toys for the rich & famous with little pay-off. A Jeep is suppose to be a simple, durable vehicle - not a finicky Fiat. All that said, IF there was a reasonably priced Gladiator PHEV ... I would put it on my list (but I know when it comes out in 2025 - it wont be reasonable).
Talking as a Brazillian, Stellantis is rocking here. Jeeps such as Renegade and Compass are a huge success. Eventhough the minimum wage here is way lower and these cars are more expensive here 😅 Just bought my second jeep btw
I bought a 1998 TJ new for LESS THAN 20K. Still have it,runs great, easy to fix. Unless things change dramatically I will never consider buying another Jeep
In my case I can`t afford a 20,000 dollars car, not to mention a 120,000 $$$ my mortgage, utilities, groceries, taxes, inflation, insurance, gas, HOA are eating up all my pay check, and I pray everyday my car do not breaks down cause a mechanic shop is a rip off. And I think millions of working people like me are in the same predicament or worse.
Wouldn't mind the new Grand Cherokee Hybrid but when they are pushing $80k and the only good incentive is for FCA lease trade-ins there is no reason to get one right now.
The harder you make something for people to reach the harder people will make efforts to own something. Heck the system wants you all on a credit controlled system.
Subaru seems to have no trouble selling. Similar market niche, higher quality and longevity, comfortable cars. Went snowboarding today. The parking lots were full of Subarus, just like they have been for 20+ years. Even if I had the cash and were in the market, I would get a GX for that money, not a Fiat-Jeep. Or the Land Cruiser for less (I'm not really enamored with "luxury" in my off roaders). I wouldn't even look at Jeep right now. And that's from a Jeep guy, for my whole adult life.
I can’t say North American cars are worth the purchase especially when competing brands have a much better quality and response on their recalls. Besides was it not discovered that the metals the big three used were cheaper which caused them to rust much faster than before. Many can’t afford and / don’t want to spend $40k on a car let alone $80k. Your car & insurance payment will be a mortgage payment combined. No thanks.. A lot of us would rather throw money at something more affordable and still be able to have a roof over my head with food in my bellies.
They used to be the cheaper alternative but then they continued building lower quality products but the. Matched orices with the better brands. Simply not worth it
JEEP (Just Everyone Else's Problems) really is a reality. Sadly same goes for Dodge products I own one. Most Dodges dodge everything but the repair shop
The problem is that people lack common sense nowadays, they are focused on monthly payments not prices, lots of idiots are driving dealership prices up🤷🏻♂️
I would literally walk before buying anything from this company, had a customer in my shop for check engine light on a 2020 jeep and upon plugging in my 6k dollar scan tool in guess what the manufacturer has put a security gateway in place so its dealer only serviceable or l pay them a ransom so l can acsess the computer in the customer's vehicle
Right now Duncan Imports in Virginia has a JDM RAV4 for about $17,000 that looks new with less than 9,000 miles. It's a super cool right hand drive. Now it will probably do 200,000 plus miles with regular maintenance. Need I say more?
I’m living their stupid nightmare…… tried to buy my 3rd Jeep Wrangler. 7 dealers in 3 states-none would order the Willys I wanted that should have come in @ about $48 out the door. In stock….. high % of 4xe, which serve no real purpose and tricked out high end units all $68 plus….. Ordered a Bronco…. built in 7 weeks. Delivered in another 3 weeks. $2500 below MSRP. Really wanted the 3rd Jeep….. idiocy in my book. Fall of a great auto company….. I grew up as a MOPAR Guy….
I had 2 manual TJ’s and I loved them. They were cheap and it didn’t bother me to bash it up in the woods. But then things went completely sideways and look what happened, Wranglers became the choice ride for D-bags! It got to the point that they’d drown themselves in debt to have something that drives like crap just because they looked a certain way. Bring back the cheap Jeep!
Those tax increases over the years, along with the registration fees and other BS hits hard when you spend $50k or more these days. I can't believe the pricing on vehicles these days...out of control and unaffordable for 1/2 the country. BTW...Stelantis CEO pay is $40M yr.
I bought a used 2017 Jeep Renegade Limited back in 2022 4x4 , love it and it was in my price range & Budget.. But holy crap these new vehicles are way overpriced .My Renegade will definitely be my last vehicle purchase -ill pay myself first before making payment to a lender for a new one...
I bought a new Wrangler Rubicon 8 years and I think it was about $42k. It’s a great vehicle for that price, but not twice that price. If Stellantis wants to go upmarket with Ram and Jeep, they can’t do it with the same vehicles they’ve always sold. And certainly not with the pervasive material and build quality issues they haven’t been able to overcome. Unless they have a host of new, much better models in the pipeline that can justify the price, they are going to fail with this direction. That said, the people willing to pay these prices aren’t necessarily looking for a Jeep - even if its build equaled its price.
It is a simple lesson! Take care of your customers. Give them a quality product at a fair price and your customers will take care of you! However, if you take advantage of your customers and and mark the prices up and call it market adjustments your customers will find a different supplier.
Very simply, people are living beyond their means when you look at the average take home pay. When applying the cost of living to differing parts of the country, inflation dilemma and with that rising APR's it is simply not sustainable. Those that are smart simply scale back and cut/reduce measures that do not matter. At the end of the day for most people a vehicle is a means of transportation from point A to B and lug around some groceries. The used car market is indicative of a country's economy and boy do we have an issue. Two days ago I went to a Toyota & Subaru dealership to get a feeler for pricing on a Rav4/Forester, new or used. Toyota had no new or last year models and the Subaru dealership only had two new vehicles out of their entire car portfolio. Used prices for either of those vehicles for a 3-4yr model with 70k KM was in the 50-60k range. Subaru dealership was still blaming supply chain delays ect but they don't care, they'll simply markup the cost on the base MSRP.
They slapped these together during Covid and jacked up the prices. These Covid Chrysler products are now falling apart and people who got fleeced with their high prices who were loyal to the brand are all gone.
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Today's jeeps bear no resemblance to their namesake. They are crap .
Exactly, the older, more honest Wranglers are the real deal, now everything is a lot more glossed over
never were
Today's Jeeps are Fiats
They stopped making decent jeeps in 2010. My 2007 4.7 Grand Cherokee has 170,000 miles on it and has been bullet proof. I just changed the spark plugs yesterday for the first time not because I had too but because I really felt I should. Other than that its had a new alternator and a new windshield and a couple of very minor part changes that I did myself it still drives like it's brand new. Oh and I bought it for $16,000 with 21,000 miles on it in about 2010 when gas was last at $5 per gallon here in CA.
@utoob7361 this is probably one of their biggest issues. They can make the exterior and interior look pretty, but if the guts of these cars are unreliable junk, they're not worth regular prices and especially not the housing levels $100k+ prices.
Nope. It's a car not a house. I'm rebuilding my old one. It's paid for
Especially for these prices
Gotta fix your house too, but I get your point. A car loses its value whereas investment in a home makes economical and practical sense. A used 5k car can get you from point A to point B too, just as quickly as a new 50k car.
No, the $5000 car will definitely get you there,the $50000 POS will leave you sitting on the side of the road or parking lot
I am rebuilding 1 owner 2004 toyota 4runner that has 80 k miles ,from rim refinishing to replacing mechanical items to under body repair cleaning and fully rustproofing I have something that can drive for the next decade or more, the main difference the older ones are way better built than new ones that have so many issues, but best off all ,no car payments ,with all the work at 20% of the cost
It depends on knowing what to look for, having mechanical knowledge of when a particular used car will be good,not some of the buy here pay here places
I refuse to pay more for a vehicle than what I paid for my first house. Auto executives need to get a clue. They are so out of touch with normal people.
I understand you, but you can't expect a new car to cost less than what you paid for your first house in 1975 or something.
My first house was $38,500. My most expensive vehicle was a 1995 Ram Cummins I bought used in 1999 for the new MSRP of $18,000, I still own it. 😂
@@williamcricket7931 NO average jo vehicle should cost over 40k canadian IMO....these prices now days 50-80k for a PICKUP TRUCK that is made for a working person is the definition of insaine....HELL the new Kona is 34k CANADIAN!!!!!! FOR A SMALL CRAP BOX CUV!!!! LIKE HELL!
Me happy. Don't need one, don't want one. 😊
I've made over 300 a year for many years and my first house was 75k in 1995. The most I've ever spent on a car was my 2005 Audi S4 at $48k. Cars have statistically gone up very little. Trucks and SUV's have gone stupid. I bought a 1997 Audi A4 for 28.5k. I can buy a comparable Subaru Crosstrek for about the same money. The Crosstrek is a little larger with about the same equipment. I bought a 1984 GMC Sonoma for 14k losded. The Canyon equivalent is now 44k.@@williamcricket7931
I'm still driving my 97 Sahara that I paid $20,000 for new. Great vehicle. Straight 6 with a 5 speed manual. Bullet-proof.
I wish I kept my old 4.0 too
I had a 95 Sahara bought new. Like you said, it was bullet proof. Only reason I sold it was my wife was pregnant with our third child.
4.0 if maintained will last forever.
Oh lord. I still had teeth. Back then. And my old dog,too
I had a Jeep Cherokee. Bought it brand new and loved it for about a month. THAN nothing but problems. Transmission, computer, shifting etc.... A NIGHTMARE!!! Do not buy a Jeep at no cost it will give you sleepless nights and break your bank after the warranty.
I had the same problems with my wife's Grand Cherokee. It became a running joke in our household as to what would break next on that thing. Total garbage wagon. I wouldn't own another one at any price point. This company is going to go under.
I'm having issues now. Engine acting up an my car not even 5 years old
THEN, that is all.
Their biggest problem is the poor quality and reliability. I think most people have a problem with paying those high prices for something that’s gonna be breaking down all the time and fall apart in a couple of years
They need to offer a 10 year 100000 mile warranty on the existing vehicles and offer great deals on them. After you move that product, they have to improve the quality on them...
I am in the process of restoring a 71 GMC pickup. It proved itself over 20 years of rough use, and is now getting a makeover. Total cost, including engine, transmission, body parts, and paint, is under $20k. Good for another 53 years.
It would be so nice if they could just make something reasonable & reliable they cant do any right now .I think they could, but the pressure from the government & and stockholders' corrupt ceo's ,etc. will ruin the auto industry & It's stupid .
That’s the issue I have with them. I’m willing to pay a little more if I get something for that money like better reliability, fuel economy, build quality, warranty, lower depreciation, etc.
Jeep just doesn’t offer any advantage over competitors while always being more expensive.
Stellantis’ business model is unsustainable. As a value proposition, their vehicles simply aren’t worth it. Prices are too high, too many undesirable models, and the quality is not there.
They will be out of North America in five years unless they figure something out.
Might be their plan…remember when it was Daimler, they drained dodges coffers and then sold it.
@@toddprater14Daimler at least improved the quality of the brand.
@@melissasmess2773lest you forget, Daimler offered us the PT Cruiser. . . And Crossfire.
I’ll buy a house before I buy a Jeep at these prices lol
A house will retain its value. Spend 80k on a jeep and in 10 years it may be worth 15k.
I deed
People don't have money for food, they certainly aren't going to be spending $50K+ for a vehicle that is built like crap and drop in value the instant it comes off of the dealer's lot!!!
Lower the damn prices! Anyone who knows vehicles knows these are poor quality vehicles and they trying to compete with Audi and Mercedes pricing. At least the public thinks the last two are high end but Stellantis! What a joke…the three stooges of auto making! These cars should be at best half of their list prices period!
Toyota 4runner looks like better value and at least it has some reputation even though now it has a turbo engine
That’s really the bottom line
@@wagyu_killerI don’t get what’s wrong with turbo engines. The turbo engine going in the 4runner is the same one used in the taco, highlander, RX, and TX. Idk of those cars have had issues with those turbo engines. It’s just Jeep and Stellantis don’t know how to build any modern engine, frankly.
Forty seven thousand for a Jeep Compass come on now really. Dodge is really trippin. Hell thats on the price level of a new 2025 Toyota 4 Runner which is worlds better then that little Jeep Crap good lord 👎👎👎👎
I’d be careful with that new 4 runner if I were you. Toyota QC has been in the toilet lately
I would take a forerunner all day long way before it. Take any crappy cheap that’s gonna be breaking down.
@@KubanKevin My main point is that theJeep Compass is not worth the price. I just used Toyota as a place holder of any other SUV that is better than the compass with a forty seven thousand + Price tag!
Msrp on A compass in 2017 16k lol
I can buy Japanese FJ that originally build in Japan that last longer (not much cheaper) than the junks they made now.
I’ve always loved the looks of the wrangler. Test drove a Sahara today - $60,000. Loved it but can’t get past the 19mpg and the poor reliability reputation.
Nice
Smart choice
Won’t improve on the mileage, but in every other category you’re better off getting a few years old 4Runner.
I get 10-12 mpg on my 2014 Jeep Wrangler. You will get way less than 19 mpg.
So, a guy I know who isn't in a very high-income bracket told me he got a hell of a deal on a new Jeep SUV. $ 102,000.00 96-month loan payment $ 1560.00/month. WTF
Haha….sorry. That’s gotta hurt
WTF, there's a 96 month finance option now?!?!? I bought my last new car with a 60 month finance plan of $300/month. I can comfortably afford it and paying it off early, but even I think that's cutting it close.
You are a fool if you buy a jeep for 86k😂😂😂
Agreed
You are a fool if you buy a Jeep.
@fattymatty5380
You misspelled "Fiat". 😊
@@MrCaribe65 Tbh, Fiat has been just the brand for years now. They disappeared inside Stellantis, and engineering or manufacturing is completely american. Still not a compliment, of course.
The Hornet isn't selling. That foodstamp Tonale nobody wants it. Stellantis is going to bankrupt Dodge. The Tofu Charger isn't going to sell. A Tesla will beat it all day.
A tesla is also GARBAGE. INTERNAL COMBUSTION FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dodge is going to bankrupt Dodge. Stellantis may just be expediting it.
One of the other problems in this market today are these fools who can afford it and continue to buy when they don't need to. They're just continuing to contribute to the problem of this market today that's hurting our middle class. The problem with owning these over teched vehicles is not only the upfront cost, but the cost to maintain and the increased cost to insure these over priced vehicles. Buying a new vehicle on a middle class income in this market today is a recipe to financial disaster.
I agree, there are some people with extra. Cash, buying just because and it hurts the plight of those who are trying to make it happen but may not have the extra cash
The other manufacturers are NOT doing anything abt their prices either. I checked out a 2024 Toyota Corolla Cross L FWD. It's a nice average compact Suv.
MSRP in Canada is $27,650. Toyota says the price for this vehicle is $30,715.08. $ 3000. worth of crap from the dealer has been added. Then there is Ontario sales tax of 13% and the new price becomes $ 34,708.04. That price is WITHOUT ANY ACCESSORIES added in. It's the basic vehicle. It includes junk, I do NOT want like heated front seats, cruise control, front and rear assist grips ( apparently ppl don't know how to get in and out of a car without an assist). , front and rear splash guards. Now I know some people want some of these things and that's fine, but it should be MY CHOICE as to whether I want them or not ! That $34,708.04 is if you are paying cash only. If you are going to use the dealers 6 year financing program at 6.99%, then at the end of the 6 years you will have paid $42,539.64 for a car with an MSRP at $27,650. Plus, remember that it does NOT come with any accessories I might want. It also only comes in a choice of three colors, B,W, and Silver at this time of year. DON"T BUY NOW ❗ WAIT 'TIL JUNE OR DEC ❗
Its all those extras that start to add up something fierce
@@markholubetz Even 27.000$ it too much :)...
It should not be more than 25.000$ on the road for that car...
Who want to pay a mortgage for that car he is welcome :)
Sorry u live in commie Canada
You don't want to pay for cruise control but complain about it not having accessories and then complain about sales tax and the cost of financing it because you actually don't have money and can't afford to finance something that you couldn't afford anyways? Priceless 😂😂😂😂 My friend bought this car for $30,000 and loves it.
@@melissasmess2773 - I did NOT complain about it not having accessories. I said it has accessories that are INCLUDED in the price and I want to have the choice to CHOOSE which accessories I want. To assume I can't afford this vehicle ( WRONG) is pretty lame on your part. Let me guess. You are a RUDE, IGNORANT tRUMP supporter. We can always spot you guys. CRASS and NO CLASS !
In my neck of the woods in the Northeast US, the Wrangler 4XE's are now being discounted by about $7,000--similar to what you saw when the dealers were trying to unload all the 2023 Gladiators.
Well maybe eventually we will get to a reasonable spot on prices
Exactly
They are rotting on the lots in NH!
I’m hanging on to my 2007 Liberty. I bought it used and it is a gem…very strong v6 and has less than 100,000 miles. New jeeps are way too expensive.
Exactly drive what ya got until prices ideally start to recede
The people who can afford a Jeep product are not the people who buy Jeep products. These people have priced themselves out of the market in their greed.
Jeep was alway rugged simplicity. I owned a 1966 Gladiator and kept it running for many years because of the way it was made. Stellantis thinks sophisticated is better - clearly out of touch with customers. The 4XE is the thinking that will keep customers away. The small turbo engines will keep them away, the electronics in the Grand Wagoneer will keep them away.
You nailed it quality sucks
It's because of all these preening, snobby housewives who badger their husbands relentlessly to buy "sanitized" Jeeps and the like because they are so incredibly gullible from advertising. So just like other things in this country, Jeeps and everything else were ruined thanks to "girl power." We are marching ourselves straight into oblivion.
They tried to turn a offroad brand built for ruggedness into a luxury brand and has failed.
Our last 2 jeeps a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon-Fully loaded cost $57,000. Our 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk cost $51,000 loaded s well. We financed at 3.49%. Now, for a 2024 lowest rate 6.23% and the prices went up $5-7000 more!! To make matters worse the dealers have really cut trade in value!! We've checked 3 different dealer lots and they are not selling many. The dodge Hornets are just sitting there gathering dust!!
I purchased mine Jeep Grand cherokee 2020 loved it at first. To do a new lease, they increase the monthly note 700 to 800. I was only paying 357 prior. that's a hell of an increase. So i purchased mine instead of a new lease. Worst decision i made now, they telling me my engine needs replaced. Jeeps are not well-built cars. The prices they are charging are ridiculous
Folks are walking away from the hose guys. I've had 4 jeeps kept my last one and went to toyota Tacoma
Better choice with the last one for sure
Today i pulled the engine out of my 2009 Subaru Forester, 2.5L SOHC non-turbo. New head gaskets, all new seals, gaskets, hoses, it’s going to drive like new. As a mechanical engineer (HVAC and plumbing not automotive) I love a simple car thats easy to diagnose and repair. Im going to get another 10 years out of my forester. I can afford a new car, just don’t want to especially at these prices
I stop driving my 2001 Outback when it gets in the 90's, otherwise it's head gaskets are hanging in there, 190,000 miles. One of many old vehicles I own, 35 years as a mechanic 😅
I am happy with my 07 Tundra i bought it brand new in all this years just replace brake pads. Tires , and a starter . regular fluids service that truck runs like new
Cheers
Bought a new diesel jeep in 2014. Brand new, antifreeze internal leak. 2 $20,000 catalytic converter’s, needed a third under 50 K when sold.
Yep! Next is to return the product. Times aren't getting better.
Indeed
Well said.. i definitely agree in what is being said.. great video.👍💯
I appreciate that!
You make a great comment about back in high school you could buy a cheap Jeep Wrangler. Jeeps back then were hardcore no options (maybe AC) but Jeep kept pleasing the masses with all the options. Now we are here at everything is basically $75k now
It truly was an affordable ride back in the day. Now, forget about it.
Last proper jeep was in '06
Not a goto vehicle because Jeep is notoriously horrible for reliability. I don't want to beg friends for help when my Jeep won't start.
Same
The prices of these new vehicles reminds me that my 23 year old vehicle with 270k miles was probably the best bang for the buck I could get. It really helps to know a fair amount about turning wrenches on old cars. I really would like to see what a 60-80k$ vehicle is like after 150k miles and 10+years old.
It will cost you another 120k for just for maintenance :)
No problem to sell them for the right price.....about $28 t0 $30K.
indeed
Still to high
Don’t have a problem paying some high prices. It’s just the dependability just sucks too bad.
Yes prices are crazy.I remember back in the day that $85K gets you in a Range Rover sport or a Porsche Cayenne. Not a Jeep wrangler with cloth seats. 😅 Dealers think that people wanted the most dressed up and fully capable vehicles financed at 5-6% not including the forced add-ons. they are crazy. Now, everyone is rushing to dealers trying to get the cheapest cars with the least amount of options. Now they have a shortage of that. Many dealers now have shortages of base model vehicles. I can’t believe that normal people would finance these new cars at 9-12% or more with average credit. Unbelievable.
My 2016 Wrangler 2 Dr. was $23,500 and has 41,000 miles on it. I will drive it until the wheels fall off. The new Sport Wrangler 2 Dr is $33,500. Screw that.
imply not worth the new prices these days
So my 21 Jeep Grand Cherokee's lease is up. I got it new in 2021 fully loaded with navigation, sunroof, tow package etc. to replace it with a 2024 same options is 58 grand plus tax tag and title, plus double or more interest rate. NO Fing WAY. So today I brought the lease out for 21 grand and it has 19000 miles on it and a payment of $396 a month. These new ones are just way out of control way too much money too high on the interest rates I don't see them selling a single one. I for sure will not buy another car for another two or three years or until this market adjusts to the way it should be
Drive through my local Ford lot tonight and it had crazy huge amounts of inventory. Rows and rows of everything. Probably 35 full size broncos. Mass amounts of Explorers. Just packed with every model.
Within Jeep brand the Wrangler has been the cash cow. So the price has risen something like 45% in a time when inflation accounts for less than 25%. I bought a loaded 22 Gladiator in early 22 for MSRP ($64K). Jeep over produced the 23 Gladiators then dumped the price to the point I could have bought the same 23 for less than $50K thus killing the resale on the older Gladiators. It's a good thing thing that my wife and I love our Gladiator because we're basically stuck with it. I hate what Stellantis (and before them FCA) has done to the brand but I still love Jeeps.
Finance one for 5 years a $47k Jeep can cost you over $70k.
Brutal finance option
Who keeps one of these for 5 years?
I'm not paying over $3000 a month in payments. Prices are too high. The Company that can build a decent car for under $30K will clean up!
Exactly
GM has a few
Yes, people are broke. It’s not so much a matter of choice as it is a matter of possibility. Many can no longer get the financing.
Anyone who pays those prices for those vehicles shouldn't be allowed to spend money unsupervised.
Maybe because the Renegade is built in Melfi, Italy with the designation BU/520, alongside the related Fiat 500X; Goiana, Brazil with the designation B1 (alongside Jeep Compass and Fiat Toro); and in Guangzhou, China codenamed BQ. Jeep has Fiat stink all over it! What happened to building these in Toledo?
Every vehicle on that lot is absolutely filthy
True
I have a 2012 Jeep Unlimited fully upgraded at the dealership from a local custom 4x4 shop with everything, leather, tires, wheels, suspension..ect and I paid 39.5K for it. (2012) I was thinking about looking into a new one and did some local dealership searches and stop in's and anything new that comes close with upgrades would be 75K+ easily. Are you kidding me, in 12 years almost 85% price increase. I only have 46K miles on it, so it looks like I'm going to keep it for a very long time.
I have a Jeep Wrangler. Like it for what it is but it also has more defects than all my previous and current vehicles by German and Japanese manufacturers COMBINED!!!
I wanted to get into a Ram 3500, but I honestly don't make the grip to afford it. And $80K on a jeep? No way. So I went out and got a $250.00 2000 Subaru Forester. Man, that's all I can afford right now. So sad seeing all those trucks, but they're simply out of reach. Now I'm gonna run this Forester until the wheels fall off, cause I'm out of the market.
I'm 55 years old and I have never bought a Jeep of any model. I never like the look of them.
I like the hardtop wrangler, but never owned one due to the price.
I owned a 1976 CJ-5 for several years. 2 doors. Doors and top were canvas. I sold it when I gave up off roading.
who cares?
I'm not broke, and I wanted to buy another Jeep Grand Cherokee buy I refuse to support greed in anyway. I do miss my 1980's CJ-7, and it cost me $10,500,00.
Yes the oldies but goodies
Don’t worry,shorty they will be sold at auction for the real price 😂. definitely they are top vehicles for recalls 😢😂
Yes they are
Me with my $25k Corolla Hatchback
"I'll just hold onto this forever."
From Bedford NS. Apr 13-24. For as long as I can remember there have been 3 Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep dealerships in the Halifax area. As my wife and I have an Grand Caravan we have been informed one of these are closing very shortly. I think this is a sing of no selection available at a reasonable price, people will go elsewhere
I owned a Dodge once.
Smart. Learned your lesson!
Brand new crew cab diesel pickups with heated seats and an Allison transmission used to cost less than they want for a fricken jeep compass😂🤦♂️
I photograph six Jeep compasses for one dealership in a day none of them. None had a consistent sounding motor. They all shook and sounded like a lawn mowers.
I've had my renegade since 2019. 65000 miles and not a problem with it yet, God willing it stays that way. I'd like a Wrangler to go off roading but at this rate that probably won't happen.
Nice
Just got a 2012 wrangler today .. y’all can keep the new ones !
nice
I am not overspending for junk cars.
They cannot survive their own price gouging.
Absolutely no
I couldn't imagine paying what they're asking ...I mean, the Queen drove a Land Rover - so it goes without saying, you're gonna pay for the privilege of having it in the shop every other week. BUT when I think Jeep, I think something that you can set it and forget it. We had a Jeepster Commando when I was growing up ... also had a rare J-10 pickup that took our family across country. When I grew up, I bought a used Grand Cherokee 5.9 ZJ - it was a thirsty monster with the modern styling from a Renault Fuego (not a bad thing mind you). But today's Jeeps are priced like toys for the rich & famous with little pay-off. A Jeep is suppose to be a simple, durable vehicle - not a finicky Fiat. All that said, IF there was a reasonably priced Gladiator PHEV ... I would put it on my list (but I know when it comes out in 2025 - it wont be reasonable).
"You will own nothing and be happy"
Klaus Schwab
Seems to be
Expand thé brand across Europe 😂😂😂😂😂. Good luck with that one .
Talking as a Brazillian, Stellantis is rocking here. Jeeps such as Renegade and Compass are a huge success. Eventhough the minimum wage here is way lower and these cars are more expensive here 😅
Just bought my second jeep btw
Nailed it!
They thought they could raise the price forever?
I think they actually believed it
I bought my last American car in the mid 80's. Toyota 4 Runners rock.
They are true work horses
Wrangler sales are over last and Wrangler is killing the failing Bronco in sales!
Absolutely ridiculous af
Yes yes
I bought a 1998 TJ new for LESS THAN 20K. Still have it,runs great, easy to fix. Unless things change dramatically I will never consider buying another Jeep
For that kind of cash you can buy a BMW X5… fully tricked out.
In my case I can`t afford a 20,000 dollars car, not to mention a 120,000 $$$
my mortgage, utilities, groceries, taxes, inflation, insurance, gas, HOA are eating up all my pay check, and I pray everyday my car do not breaks down cause a mechanic shop is a rip off. And I think millions of working people like me are in the same predicament or worse.
Cheers
I’m keeping my two 2015s.A Camry and a F150 XLT.Both are paid off.
Wouldn't mind the new Grand Cherokee Hybrid but when they are pushing $80k and the only good incentive is for FCA lease trade-ins there is no reason to get one right now.
$40K for a $20K compass! LOL
The harder you make something for people to reach the harder people will make efforts to own something. Heck the system wants you all on a credit controlled system.
I can see that. Once ypu have the money in hand, ypu no onger want to spend it on a new vehicle
Subaru seems to have no trouble selling. Similar market niche, higher quality and longevity, comfortable cars.
Went snowboarding today. The parking lots were full of Subarus, just like they have been for 20+ years.
Even if I had the cash and were in the market, I would get a GX for that money, not a Fiat-Jeep. Or the Land Cruiser for less (I'm not really enamored with "luxury" in my off roaders). I wouldn't even look at Jeep right now.
And that's from a Jeep guy, for my whole adult life.
Buyer wages don’t reflect new car prices.
They really dont
Me happy. Don't need one, don't want one.
Cheers
imagine that, you keep making a shitty product and people start catching on
Best solution is to reduce prices dramatically. BUT also MUST concentrate on quality. No bugs. No defects. Reasonable prices are required.
That’s fair
I can’t say North American cars are worth the purchase especially when competing brands have a much better quality and response on their recalls. Besides was it not discovered that the metals the big three used were cheaper which caused them to rust much faster than before.
Many can’t afford and / don’t want to spend $40k on a car let alone $80k. Your car & insurance payment will be a mortgage payment combined. No thanks.. A lot of us would rather throw money at something more affordable and still be able to have a roof over my head with food in my bellies.
They used to be the cheaper alternative but then they continued building lower quality products but the. Matched orices with the better brands. Simply not worth it
JEEP (Just Everyone Else's Problems) really is a reality. Sadly same goes for Dodge products I own one. Most Dodges dodge everything but the repair shop
Haha, indeed
The problem is that people lack common sense nowadays, they are focused on monthly payments not prices, lots of idiots are driving dealership prices up🤷🏻♂️
Those stupid environmentalist nut cases are partially to blame
The environmentalist nutcases are partially to blame
The enviromontalists nutcases are partially to blame
Whoever keeps deleting my comments read the first sentence of the us constitution
I would literally walk before buying anything from this company, had a customer in my shop for check engine light on a 2020 jeep and upon plugging in my 6k dollar scan tool in guess what the manufacturer has put a security gateway in place so its dealer only serviceable or l pay them a ransom so l can acsess the computer in the customer's vehicle
Been a mechanic for thirty five years, that's just criminal, should be a violation of the Right To Repair laws!
I have a 2016 that I bought for 28000 5 years ago and it looks great and I will continue to buy used new prices are a ripoff
Right now Duncan Imports in Virginia has a JDM RAV4 for about $17,000 that looks new with less than 9,000 miles. It's a super cool right hand drive. Now it will probably do 200,000 plus miles with regular maintenance. Need I say more?
Right hand drive is very expensive to insure.
I’m living their stupid nightmare…… tried to buy my 3rd Jeep Wrangler. 7 dealers in 3 states-none would order the Willys I wanted that should have come in @ about $48 out the door. In stock….. high % of 4xe, which serve no real purpose and tricked out high end units all $68 plus…..
Ordered a Bronco…. built in 7 weeks. Delivered in another 3 weeks. $2500 below MSRP.
Really wanted the 3rd Jeep….. idiocy in my book. Fall of a great auto company….. I grew up as a MOPAR Guy….
My hybrid wrangler is a dream 🔥
All their vehicles are $20,000 too much across the board😅
Yes, drop these prices and people will roll back in to buy
$86k for a Jeep…i just paid £86k in the uk for a 2017 McLaren 570gt 6000miles one owner. Even had original tyres on…new car prices are insane.
I had 2 manual TJ’s and I loved them. They were cheap and it didn’t bother me to bash it up in the woods. But then things went completely sideways and look what happened, Wranglers became the choice ride for D-bags! It got to the point that they’d drown themselves in debt to have something that drives like crap just because they looked a certain way. Bring back the cheap Jeep!
Those tax increases over the years, along with the registration fees and other BS hits hard when you spend $50k or more these days. I can't believe the pricing on vehicles these days...out of control and unaffordable for 1/2 the country. BTW...Stelantis CEO pay is $40M yr.
Man couple of years ago not talking about 10 but just 4 years ago these vehicles were selling for 20k-30k. But Stellatis really failing.
I bought a used 2017 Jeep Renegade Limited back in 2022 4x4 , love it and it was in my price range & Budget.. But holy crap these new vehicles are way overpriced .My Renegade will definitely be my last vehicle purchase -ill pay myself first before making payment to a lender for a new one...
I might be considering buying another dodge ram if the price for a stl Laramie for $39,567
I bought a new Wrangler Rubicon 8 years and I think it was about $42k. It’s a great vehicle for that price, but not twice that price. If Stellantis wants to go upmarket with Ram and Jeep, they can’t do it with the same vehicles they’ve always sold. And certainly not with the pervasive material and build quality issues they haven’t been able to overcome. Unless they have a host of new, much better models in the pipeline that can justify the price, they are going to fail with this direction. That said, the people willing to pay these prices aren’t necessarily looking for a Jeep - even if its build equaled its price.
It is a simple lesson! Take care of your customers. Give them a quality product at a fair price and your customers will take care of you! However, if you take advantage of your customers and and mark the prices up and call it market adjustments your customers will find a different supplier.
How people can afford these vehicles is beyond me, I don't get it
Neither do I. Honestly I would say few people actually can but out themselves under water. Gotta find vehicles within a persons means
Absolutely man
Very simply, people are living beyond their means when you look at the average take home pay. When applying the cost of living to differing parts of the country, inflation dilemma and with that rising APR's it is simply not sustainable. Those that are smart simply scale back and cut/reduce measures that do not matter. At the end of the day for most people a vehicle is a means of transportation from point A to B and lug around some groceries. The used car market is indicative of a country's economy and boy do we have an issue.
Two days ago I went to a Toyota & Subaru dealership to get a feeler for pricing on a Rav4/Forester, new or used. Toyota had no new or last year models and the Subaru dealership only had two new vehicles out of their entire car portfolio. Used prices for either of those vehicles for a 3-4yr model with 70k KM was in the 50-60k range. Subaru dealership was still blaming supply chain delays ect but they don't care, they'll simply markup the cost on the base MSRP.
They slapped these together during Covid and jacked up the prices. These Covid Chrysler products are now falling apart and people who got fleeced with their high prices who were loyal to the brand are all gone.