Why Andretti Cadillac approval creates F1's worst-case scenario
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- F1’s another step closer to getting an 11th team after Andretti Cadillac’s entry won FIA approval, but it’s also diving head first into the worst case scenario.
The search for a potential new F1 team has rumbled on for the whole of 2023, with a pretty contentious backstory before then as well.
Andretti’s been chosen as the only successful bid put forward by the FIA to the final stage of the application process, which is to have “commercial discussions” with F1 itself.
However, this is likely to be the most complicated yet. It essentially boils down to whether Andretti can convince the commercial rights holder to drop an objection it has had for a very long time.
00:00 Collision course
04:32 Can F1 say no?
07:34 What comes next
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Looking forward to the my team mode in F1 24 where you spend your first two seasons trying to convince the other teams to let you race.
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It's about process, right? 😂
Absolutely dying.
Harsh. True, but still harsh 🙂
And when they do approve you start 700 million in debt.
It's not Andretti's fault that the existing teams are acting like a cartel protecting thier prize money. I miss the old days when if you had the resources to build a car you could race and you succeed or fail on merit.
Imo, the whole monetary argument is moot, since we have the cost cap, and certainly the front-running teams can, if they don't already, make a profit on their F1 operations.
You've got to take into account that mamy of the lower tier teams have not been financially viable during the 2010s and 2020s. It's understandable that they're wary of splitting their cut. F1 is still rigged as Ferrari gets the most money out of it by just participating.
agreed
The big teams spend a lot less money now than they ever did and still they dont want to lose a bit of price money. It is just becoming a show of money grabbing and has less and less to do with the sport itself
For you to remember drivers and teams in f1 on merits should make you at least 103 years old
Imagine a world where a feeder team and 3 back markers who have openly tanked years for "development" are more valuable than a new team with a manufacturer backing.
Don’t forget about being funded by selling machines to Russian arms manufacturers in violation of international sanctions.
Pool the resources together and take it to the big boys. The "HaasMeoTauriams" F1 team would dominate. Or at least cost A LOT less to haul around the world.
@@veryevilpersonfromillumina5893 fair, but the sport isn't the same as it was back then. Andretti has a history of competing in Motorsport, and backed by a giant like GM it should be much more competitive than the likes of Haas, AT, Williams and current Sauber.
The fact that redbull has 2 teams is absolutely mind boggling to me.
Look how well that turned out for HAAS and AT too lol
@@patrickbellinger7122 haas is a poorly funded customer team? At is a feeder team..? Not sure what you're getting at?
F1 has made it clear they do not want an 11th team under any circumstances. 600 million entry fee is absolutely absurd, its 3 times the annual budget of the biggest F1 teams. Hell, it beats Mercedes' 450 million dollar budget they had back before the cost cap regulations. Those that came in because "costs are out of control." Hell, even the 200million fee is already ridiculous, it's more that the cost cap!
"We want to ensure they'll be competitive" rings completely hollow when they are trying to remove all their resources to be competitive right off the bat. That fee is literally a "fuck off" amount that's only being called to increase when the teams realized that oh no, Andretti does have big enough coffers to clear it.
??? Even the worst F1 teams are worth around 1 billion (Audi buying majority Sauber proves this) so for a team to pay 200 million and then around 200 more million for operations, so 400 million to enter F1 and automatically become worth around 1 billion is crazy. Use your brain
F1 Teams: You have to pay several times the annual budget to enter.
New team: *pays the fee and competes the first year under the cost cap*
F1 Teams: 😡 They broke the cost cap, because the entry fee pushed them over the cap in the first year!!! 😡
@@contra03 There's a difference between value, revenue and capital. When you say a team is worth 1 billion (which, btw, the worst F1 teams aren't), all that means is that this is their their estimated sales price. It doesn't mean they have 1 billion in the bank, or that they are making 1 billion a year in revenue. If you were to buy an F1 team for 1 billion tomorrow, it would take time for you to recoup your investment - and there's not even a guarantee that you would (things can always go sour in business). For example: Aston Martin has just posted a negative financial statement for 2022 - they lost money (some due to them making investments - but still).
You might want to use your brain yourself.
Toto Wolff, one of the biggest proponents against Andretti Cadillac, said he would have accepted Audi as the 11th team should they want to join as one. This is either about keeping small teams from entering F1 or it’s about protecting European pride. Perhaps it’s even some combination of both. Because I guarantee you: if Cadillac made some shady under the table deal with F1 to steal Andretti’s F1 project and instead enter it as their own, they’d be welcome in with flying colors
@@contra03 the teams themselves aren't worth that much. you surely are including sponsor money. a billion dollars? you must have an exhaust leak into the cockpit.
I feel a new team would be good. It gives an f2 champion more chances to enter f1.
Or goatifi a return
Just add third car and the worst driver in points loses his seat and the best F2 + other series drivers rise to them.
@@turbo_brianwe don’t want that
@@jarigustafsson7620 I would be happy with that, more drivers on the grid = more fun to watch.
@@jarigustafsson7620 3rd driver = 2nd supporting driver. Ridiculous
Imagine a situation where the FIA actually looks like the good guys
Thats why they did it this way. They need a PR win and this is it. They approve Andretti and if F1 rejects them the FIA get to say "Its not our fault"
@@bipolarminddroppings Yeah I agree. Just playing "good cop" to FOMs "bad cop"
@KR1736 - "FIA actually looks like the good guys" -- That is not a thing. That combination of letters is unable to happen in this reality.
F1 does not need FIA, Please F1...Cut out the cancer asap.
there's no good guys
there's andretti... a moron crybaby.
the people who follow him... moron netflix brigade
FiA who looked at his finances and said ye they tick the boxes.
ANd Formula 1 who will laugh at moron andretti and say NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
As they should.
But no good guys except the F1 fans who where here before the netflix idiots joined. They are probably the good guys.
A situation that'll never happen
It’s a worst-case scenario for F1, but best-case for FIA. This is straight-up organizational politics. There’s no reasonable doubt that Andretti/Cadillac are capable of building a competitive car and team. FIA wants to expand, and at least some teams in F1 do not. If this was all behind closed doors, F1 could kill it without much backlash. But FIA has made it very difficult for F1 to say no.
Funny, how the FIA, who used to be all about closed doors stuff themselves, is actually being the most transparent here.
There is plenty of doubt about Andretti being competitive, at least, if you follow F1. Trying to make a deal with Renault for the engines, the worst possible engine since the start of the hybrid era, should tell you everything you need to know.
A team who have never designed and built a car entering with a customer power unit from the weakest supplier? And trying to do it on the opposite side of the world from all proven F1 talent and suppliers?
I think there is ONLY reasonable doubt that they can be competetive.
It's like building a space shuttle in London - you could try it, but it will be a poor attempt and it will bankrupt you trying to do it.
Haas saw that iceberg.
Nah, it's about money, they are seriously unlikely to be competitive
At least for me, when GM announced their partnership with Andretti, it made headlines. My friends, my father, who don't follow F1 asked me about it
Imagine that worst-case scenario where Andretti race but aren't recognised by F1, the TV race order would be like P1 VER P2 HAM P3 REDACTED P4 SAINZ 😂
That’s like giving your younger sibling an unplugged controller lmao
Thats hilarious and so true… P3 REDACTED 😂😂
There's no way that Andretti is getting anywhere near the podium.
They'd be lucky to get points
They would never be top 10, never mind podium positions
@@ronbelanger4113 how long have you watched f1 for?..
what baffles me the most about a "valuable contribution" to F1 is the existance of the Red Bull sister team, a team which literally isn't allowed to compete with the bigger team. Is the competition factor really what's "valuable"?
The valuable contribution is money. Redbull brings insane amounts of money in, and they saved a team that was already on the grid. They didn’t add another team. It’s not about the competition
@@loganparker4001 So wouldn't it better to have a truly independent team? What if Red Bull owned half of the grid? Would you regard that as a competitive formula? (of course, not going to happen, but just think about it)
@@loganparker4001 but whats Alpha Tauri bringing to F1? They're giving drivers to RB but what actual value for F1? Nothing
They’re grandfathered in that’s about incoming teams
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168tell me the name of any team that has given chance to drivers purely on merit in recent years and I'll wait. Alpha tauri is the only f1 team encouraging merit giving chances to even non redbull drivers. Williams haas alfa romeo will only bring new drivers with sponsors and big teams are not interested in new talent.
With WEC, IMSA, GTWC all providing amazing racing these days and an outlook that only seems like it's going to get better, I think adding a new team is the only move F1 has to help maintain its viewership
Yeah, when it comes to the actual racing F1 is D tier at best. The more teams in the development race the more interesting it will be.
@@Flatworlderpeople talk about train racing one of the last monacos I watched only like 4 to 5 passes entire race.
@@devonmangiarelli3886 Fans have never watched Monaco for the overtaking. It's prestige comes from the challenge of the circuit.
Complaining Monaco has no overtaking is like complaining a chocolate cake contains chocolate. Its kind of the whole point of that stage of the competition.
@@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 it had overtaking before the cars became extra light land cruise ships
Actually excited by the idea that F1 will have to lay bare it's utter greed and contempt for its fans in declining Andretti's bid. They won't get to hide behind "sport opens up doors/shines a light on despotic regimes" like they do when they allow Grand Prix weekends to take place in unsavory places.
Hold on, so in theory Andretti could now officially compete in the FIA competition "Formula 1 World Championship" - they could turn up to the track and participate in the races, officially win the championship and get absolutely no money, being cut out of the broadcasts?
No, the FIA approved. Now the 10 teams have to agree.
Yes, I think that's what I understood from the video.
NO!
F1 is an FIA reconised championship, and run to FIA "rules" .
BUT the FIA don't own it, it's up to the commercial rights holder and the Teams to say who is allowed to compete.
@@kevinshort3943 to be precise, FIA does own it (naming rights etc), but is not running it. 🤓
It's a possible worst case scenario from legal fights. It's not automatic if there is no agreement. I think it's a long shot.
If they reject Andretti at this point it would violate EU antitrust laws.
That's honestly a good point
I hope the EU isn't incompetent either...
The Andretti name carries an incredible legacy. I think it's a name more Americans can identify with, as well as Cadillac, of course. It hardly gets more American than that. I think in a few years time, team Andretti could bring in enough extra revenue to offset the 11th piece of pie. They'd only need to grow the brand by 10% to do that.
damn straight. anyone who thinks we wont see a 11th team on the grid is delusional. Andretti will win against these greedy idiots in court
@@GuessMonster-SPthey need to prove that Cadillac is more than a sponsor
This is not the worst case scenario. This is the best case scenario. If F1 is gonna say no, I wanna know it was them and not the FIA. I wanna know it was for commercial reasons and not for sporting reasons. The first full season I watched of F1 had 24 cars, only the first six cars got points, Minardi was on the grid, thee was no cost cap, and yet all teams got championship points.
Today's regulations make it far more suitable for one or two new teams to join F1.
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The FIA director made his decision, announced it, and then started the process.
Let's not try to pretend it is all as clean as all that.
@@yt.personal.identification yet he didn't have the same reaction to other prospects who wanted to join. Andretti meets requirements clearly
This is only the worsst case scenario if you DON'T want a new team. All F1 has to do is quit their Eurobullshit and say Y E S to America, and everything will go fine.
If Andretti fails they can say told you so, and if not they'll be too busy swimming in greenbacks to say much of anything.
That's not going to happen for awhile. Amerrica is here to stay for the time being.
The only nation in danger of eclipsing the US as a market is China, and if you've read anything about their internal debt crisis they're trying desperately to pretend we don't already know everything about, that's not happening either.
let's just say that Belt and Road was a massive boondoggle that blew their liquidity to hell and back due to corrupt 3rd world kleptocrats taking the money and running, because of course they did, or simply not being able to pay China b ack on their terms, because of course they weren't. They turned all their liquidity into credit they can't quickly liquidate and it's devastated Chinese economic power projection for years to come.
Other than them who's left? Europe's already pretty much all in as far as F1 is concerned, so who else? Russia? India? Africa? BraziLOOLOLOLOL (sorry couldn't keep a straight face)
America is the only viable axis of expansion for Formua 1. @@alias19
I love the idea of having a race where one team would have to be blurred out
The race has some bad opinions on this one, dragging the process out gives transparency as to who is responsible, Toto and Horner can’t say it was the fia we wanted them
Well the Race Shills for their contacts in the paddock. FIA isn't giving them any access, so its an easy call for them to carry Toto's water and shit on the FIA for this mess.
Doesn't matter, as if they would be too embarrassed so that they change their mind.
Fix your damn car
No YOU fix your car
Pumpernickle
Honey, Im not riding Bottas.
The disagreement between the FIA and F1 on this matter has been very much public knowledge since the first statement of intent from Andretti. Through some stroke of apocalyptic luck the FIA got something right and recognised the Andretti bid to be a fair and just prospect and that Andretti joining F1 would have more benefits than drawbacks. The current F1 circus has become so closed off to the outside world it sees any potential change as a threat to its existence, and has been making some rather rash decisions as commercial rights holder. Previously new teams were vetted together by both the FIA and Formula 1 management but as the tension between the two organisations are already fractious they were never going to do that. Previous new entries were sometimes vetted by the FIA before getting F1 approval however everything would have been kept confidential until everything was finished. Now that the F1 and FIA relationship is already strained, the FIA is doing its own thing, and hoping to show F1 up for being the gatekeepers spoiled child it is behaving like.
Whilst this is worst case for PR and for confusion, I do not think the FIA could our would have handled the situation any differently without being at loggerheads with F1 already.
Completely agree, moaning for the first 3 minutes that its "messy"... who cares, get it done however you can.
I can only speak for myself, but having 1 or 2 more teams in F1 is something I welcome with open arms and it will definitely increase my interest in the sport even further. That will also open 2 to 4 new driving spots. F1 has had 12 and even 13 teams in the past and during those times (90's early 2000's) the sport was at its peak. Its not just up to Andretti to ensure growth of the sport so that everyone's slice of the pie gets bigger, that should be a joint effort between F1, FIA and all the other teams.
Personally I'd love to see Hyundai make a bid. They've grown enormously over the last 20 years and they're probably strong enough now to step into the racing circuits. Love to have them in F1.
How would you feel if both new teams were as off the pace as the last new entrants were?
Would you still appreciate teams that were so far off the back they were essentially in a separate class?
It just strikes me everyone thinks they want new teams but then disown Haas and decry the last three genuine new entrants.
@@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 Its not ideal but its always been the case in F1, 1-2 teams competing at the front,, majority is midfield and 1-2 at the back. It wouldnt change how I feel if they were worse than Haas, at the very least new driver spots will be opened up. Obviously best case scenario is every team to be competitive at the front, but chances of that ever happening are pretty slim.
@@E_Clip no, of courses you're right there - but we're talking a much, much greater gap between new teams and the rest of the field than between Red Bull and the second fastest team on a given weekend.
I remember the last new teams, and the very clear need for the 107% rule, then recall that this is the narrowest field spread we've ever had and just cannot see how an outfit that's never even built a less complex car has any chance of anything but embarrassing themselves and the sport. Especially when constrained by a cost cap on their development to catch up.
That's not a slight on Andretti - big name, great operation, mighty pedigree... but in profoundly different disciplines.
They wouldn't be the first motorsport powerhouse to bankrupt themselves with an F1 entry, and this is the sort of investment that even in the best realistic conditions is going to a massive debt to clear for perhaps decades.
Toto Wolff was right when he said it would take, at least, one billion dollars to start and operate an F1 team for just the first few years. Its not chump change.
And for all the the talk of the American market, teams have never brought in fans with the odd exception of the magic that is Ferrari. And when I think how quickly fans turned their back on Haas, when they had the perfectly reasonable thought 'Hey, we don't actually know how to build this car and everyone who does is in Europe and for decades have refused to leave, maybe we can't do it at our US Facility and not embarrass ourselves' - I'm not confident Andretti fans will be any more reliable when the team shows up and is continually off the pace for a good few years.
It's a cliché but Americans famously like to win and they like winners. Thats not going to be Andretti.
@@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 I think the points you're raising which are of financial nature arent a concern for F1 as a sport. Lots of big names have come and gone in the sport over the decades. Andretti or anyone for that matter has to make their own financial decisions.
If some team invests a billion over a few years that money wont go all to waste. They can sell the team and even make a profit. Even Haas with all their investments since 2016 and assuming they've been operating at a net loss, can probably sell the team and make some profit. On the flipside you have teams like Brawn for instance, won the championship on their first year then sold to Mercedes for a lot of money.
This is the problem with participant owned sport franchises. Everyone will want to pull up the ladder from under them.
Yeah but Motorsport isnt like football, you cant have a promotion and relegation system.
And you cant just allow anyone to enter or we would have 20 cars one year and 40 cars the next, then 26 the year after that (which we used to have way back when, and it was bad for the sport)
... I don't see the issue. Audi wanted in, so they bought a team. Lawrence Stroll wanted his son in, so he bought a team.
Williams is openly for sale by Donnington Capital. Alpine is lowkey for sale too, and Alpha Tauri has always been rumored to be for sale especially now that Dieter Mateschitz is dead.
So if Andretti wants in so badly, why not purchase one of the spots openly asking to be bought? Why does a 10 piece pie need to be split 11 ways when 3 pieces are for sale? That's just dumb.
@@Mebsuta 1. Andretti has "fuck you" money and a lot of it. 2. they have the pedigree to compete with the best. 3. its not dumb at all. Andretti will bring tons of North American viewership to F1, in a time where F1 recently lost a large chunk of their American viewership to Red Bull's dominance. So the prospect of adding a potentially podium competing team to juicy to the FIA. F1 and the teams are just gatekeeping at this point because of imo fear.
@@FBIsecurityVAN so you've literally just strengthened my argument. Andretti has the money to buy any of the teams that are for sale, but refuses to do so on a whim that north americans have collectively decided to share.
That's not true of any actual franchised sports. Maybe check the expansion history before you comment.
FIA pulled a good one. Basically, forcing the F1 and teams in the corner. They have only two options; 1) Agree that Andretti is coming and the money has to be split among 11 teams. 2) If F1 denies the entry, that proves to audiences which instance is actually running the F1 and risking on losing lots of sponsor money and fans alongside
Agreed; by being both vocal and public in their approval statement, the FIA effectively painted F1 in a corner where the only two plausible outcomes are either to (a) admit Andretti F1 into the series and have 11 teams or (b) deny them the entry and effectively blow up interest in the sport in the U.S.
The knock-on effects could be huge and long-lasting.
If F1 rejects Andretti Cadillac, it'll seem like they're rejecting new teams in general. I can't think of many better examples for a new F1 entry than one of the most famous names in Motorsport (among other things, an F1 world champion) and one of the biggest car companies, GM
I think if Toyota wanted to join as a new team, they wouldn't have the balls to reject.
@@Metis1337 the allure of the return of Jarno Trulli would be too strong
@@Metis1337almost certainly. I’ve been saying this for months that GM should have been the one propose the team. Including a guarantee the GM would produce and engine from day one.
I'm getting the feeling that the current teams are trying to find any excuse to deny any team from joining, no matter how good they are.
@@Appletank8Oh they're, but I wonder what they'll say to their hundreds of employees that are being denied additional opportunities to get a promotion and/or higher wages.
Haven't we just completely lost the plot here? If the team has the credentials to enter F1 as determined by the FIA, then that's that. They should be allowed in. This is a sport at the end of the day, and the prize money being diluted a bit from a new entrant is part of the risk the teams take by entering the sport in the first place. The existing teams and FOM should have no say in the matter whatsoever.
Also, this quote... "Good luck explaining that to people who will just see F1 turning down an American team with proven motorsport pedigree which also has the backing of a major car maker behind it." Congrats, you just explained exactly what it would be. It would be as ridiculous as it sounds if it happens.
You're right, this talk makes me way less interested in F1 as a legitimate sport.
Why do you want a pie split 10 ways be split 11 ways, when there's 3 pieces openly for sale? Audi wanted in, they bought Sauber. Lawrence Stroll wanted his son in, he bought Force India. So why can't Andretti buy Williams? Hell, I heard Andretti has a stake on Alpine... Why not buy them outright since Renault says they're bleeding money? And isn't Alpha Tauri also for sale? If he wants in so badly: he can buy a team.
. @Mebsuta Because Andretti talked to all the teams and no one was interested in selling
@@steves259so instead the madlad did it the hard way and talked General Motors into it.
Call it what it is, a power play by Ben sulliam. This whole process has been him trying to put liberty in their place.
that will never happen. It helps when Liberty owns 100% of F1.
I don't think it's him putting Liberty in their place.....it's him putting FOCA in their place. Liberty have been pretty upfront about wanting another American team.
@@robertfrost1683 Liberty only own the commercial rights to F1. The FIA owns the name and championship.
It’s less a power play and more a skirts up display to the world about how pathetic Liberty are being
If F1 does not accept the 11th team, then it should a 5 team race as what have Haas, Alpha, Alfa, William and the Frenchy's done in the last 5 years
Oh, i don't know, they were there back when F1 wasn't that hot. What will Andretti do for F1? They won't be much more than those teams, so Andretti will do f all for F1 as a whole. I can fully see why the other teams aren't all that interested.
Yeah the bottom 5 should run right before the main race and call it Formula 1.5 or Formula B
They make good bollards
I don't expect F1 to present a concord agreement contract to Andretti as long as the teams have to be in agreement upon their entry. Even if there is a 12-team agreement. The anti-dilution fee is going to complicate matters even further, due to the fact that teams aren't going to agree on how much is owed by Andretti. I think it's going to result in a deadlock between Andretti and the FIA and F1 and the teams. This going to be an embarrassment and highly unprofessional.
The pool dilation is absolute BS excuse, now that there's a budget cap
It sure will. However much one disagrees with the business model Liberty created for F1 with the last Concorde Agreement, the fact is it was signed and agreed by all parties - including the FIA, if the statement on their web site is correct. The teams have every right to exercise the terms of the contract.
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 It's so ridiculous. I totally agree
disagree, the growth in the US market is going to well offset any profit issues.
They will present the contract, once they are done negotiating the new Concorde agreement. The one that has the anti-dilution fee that is over half a billion slated to come into action starting 2026. That is the one Andretti will get to sign, not the older one they have now.
Quite miss the 'chaotic' period of F1 in late 80's and early 90's, where there were various of backmarker teams and cars driven by unknown drivers and trying their best to just pass the qualifying, in order to race in the next day 😅
Indeed. It made it feel like F1 was a place people actually WANTED to be and had to fight to get into, rather than a fenced off medieval castle full of exactly 10 peasants.
The field spread between Verstappen and Latifi in Q1 last year at Japan was smaller than the gap between pole and third place at Japan 98.
We think we want these things, but we don't. Not really.
I honestly feel like Andretti should bring this before the European Commission as this feels like on the verge of violating anti-competition laws
Whatever it takes to get this 11th team onto the Grid, we can't allow a system where a few rich people are going to defy the will of millions of fans and the majority of the employees that work for the existing teams.
@@acegarcia3719 Why would employees of the established teams care for Andretti, i think they don't GAF about him. And as fans we have very little to say, we are there to STFU and give our money to see the races.
This was a tremendous video today. As an American, my biggest fear is that F1 wants our money, but wants no part of us within its system (much like European football). They've already shown that with their disdain of Indy Car in their points system, with keeping Colton Herta out, and with the current treatment of Logan Sargeant. Andretti and GM are major parts of the American motor sport scene. I might just be one fan, but I've been an F1 fan for over 20 years and not bringing Andretti on-board would entirely turn me off to the circuit. As you stated, this looks like protectionism at its worst.
I pretty much feel the same way. if F1 doesn't want Americans they can go ahead and not have Americans, but the consequences of that is that they also won't have America and its huge market. It's one or the other.
Haas on its own will never unlock the full potential of the USA for F1. It takes more than that.
As an American and motorsports fanatic for many decades, I couldn’t agree with you more. They have to understand that the F1 growth in America has baked in our expectation to participate beyond an American owning a Ferrari customer team based out of England or the occasional American driver with a back marker team. When Americans realize our money is more than welcome to watch, but not good enough to participate, it’s the Bud Light story for F1 in America.
@@hagamapama Since you don't care for Haas apparently, would you care for Andretti if they go down the same path? After all, Andretti is trying to get a deal for Renault engines, the worst engine since the hybrid regs came in. If that goes through, Andretti will be no better than Haas, probably worse.
sorry but, i didnt get the idea, why usa needs an second dissapointment? there is nothing indicate to success for andretti. espescially team doesnt have any factory for producing chasis and some other factories etc.
maybe you didnt get the requirements. andretti, if the things goes very well for them, may be they became an mid section team in next 5 years. there is some examples for this. toyota spend countless amount of money for nothing, mercedes bought brawn gp and spend billions until team became competitive.
f1 is not and hopefully never became american style (standart chasis, standart engine, standart engineering etc) motorsport. success neither reachable nor boughtable. only things andretti added to f1, more cheeseburgers more celebirty and commercials.
@@EntropicExergy I'll file that one under, "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it."
Being an American I want Andretti/Cadillac. HAAS isn't American except in "name" only. Everything about HAAS is European. At least with Andretti/Cadillac we'll get an American team with an American engine supplier and hopefully American drivers with some skills (Logan... it hurts to see him fall so hard)
by rebadging a Renault engine?
@@GamezGuru1and adding to it.
Plus Haas bent for the Russians before the whole Ukraine crisis
And all the F1 engineers will be Europeans anyway ^^
GM and Andretti said that they won't necessarily make a PU
Andretti, the most well known racing name in the USA.......FIA "Are you capable of racing?"
If Andretti (a giant in motor racing by the way) won't actually be admitted into F1 after all this and despite fans' desire to have an 11th team, no new F1 team will ever be admitted probably for the next decade at least. If anything, maybe an entire country needs to submit an F1 bid as a country just to get in at this point.
And now I’m thinking of the Jamaican bobsled team…
Wow! The entitlement is strong in this one.
Andretti has repeatedly shown they do not have the resources to compete in Formula 1 and the GM/Cadillac sponsorship is an empty promise. IMO the money would be better spent buying sponsorship space on one of the currently struggling teams.
Public Investment Fund and City Football Group rubbing their hands together
What the hell are you talking about? How can they possibly have shown this when they're literally nnot allowed?@@cell172
If teams are so “worried” about diluting the revenue, make it so only the top 10 teams in the WCC get any money.
That ensures new teams are confident in their ability to be somewhat competitive, or at least confident they have enough backing to climb their way up the rankings.
And if the teams are still “worried” about that, then they are simply saying they aren’t confident in themselves to the point they think a brand new team can knock them out of the top 10.
they need to drop the "sister teams" system
These kinds of "team" aren't really there to compete nor are there to add any commercial value.
"they are there to support their more dominant "sister" up the grid.
I agree
With the current system, we could have 10 (maybe 11) teams with the same budget, all with the potential to battle for wins
In 2026, there will be 6 teams with a prime motor-deal ! 6 !!
That put the other 4 (or maybe 3 if we excluded McLaren) so : McLaren, AlphaTauri, Haas and Williams in a situation of... F1.5
And so, F1 should at least ask to Haas and Alpha to have a better project for themselves in the future.
@@vincesalamander5980McLaren prove you don't need to be a works team to be successful
@@vincesalamander5980 Haas will become Audi
sorry i am being thick, Alfa will become Audi
@@daboy12s No, it's Sauber
If Andretti is rejected without a full and detailed explanation, simply tells Americans we are happy to take your money but we will not let those NASCAR hicks into our European gentlemens club.
Indeed and it’s even more amusing when Andretti has never owned a NASCAR team and the last member of the Andretti family to race in NASCAR retired from NASCAR in 2010 and isn’t involved in Andretti Global now because of the minor issue that he’s not alive.
Andretti is indycar not nascar bro
Boy do i have a story for you about a man named Gene and Stewart-Haas Racing!
@@stinkyroadhog1347 I doubt any American considers them an American representative, they're shills for Italians & sell outs to Russians.
You do know the name, Andretti, is ingrained in F1’s past right?
All the good reasons you gave why F1 shouldn't allow And/Cad just sounds like Protectionism and Greed.
European aristocracy
And all the good reasons And/Cad should be allowed sounds like Opportunism and Greed... For nearly a decade the 10 current teams have kept F1 afloat, and no-one wanted to join. Teams have even been for sale and no-one batted an eye. And now that there's money to be had teams are suddenly lining up for a piece of the pie? Piss off...
@raycodv267
Got it, F1 is happy to rake in money from the new popularity in the U.S. market, but has no intention to allow real U.S. representation. I feel HAAS exemplifies the point you're trying to make. The race pedigree of Andretti and GM has a legitimate place on the grid.
@raycodv267 They reworked the rules to be sustainable, affordable and attractive for new teams to invest, then get angry when new teams want to invest.
Make it make sense
@@kuroshine the new engine rules suckkkk so much
The mafi...teams dont want to share the prize money.
2010 - Lotus, HRT and Virgin? 3 new teams in F1. I don’t remember any of the teams opposing new entrants then. Some of them couldn’t hit 107% qualifying. Something about the last couple of Concorde deals. Suspicious it’s now a closed shop
That’s because the financial crisis of 2008-9 killed several teams. F1 wasn’t in the position to reject any one. Now f1 is the most profitable it’s ever been.
@@rexthewolf3149 I only had a passing interest in f1 until 2010. Sorry I messed that up. Still think even if new team is willing to pay the 200+ to get in. So with the budget cap, do some of the ‘historic’ and top teams earn more now than they spend? Ie RB, Merc, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams or has this all changed?
Forget Williams. Old/Historic, but they’ve had a couple of seasons of paid drivers
@@MoanTheCelts teams are now profitable for the first time due to the cost cap. So yeah it’s just greed.
After seeing the interview with F1 CEO Stepheno Dominicali conducted by the F1 official podcast, I think he will refuse their entry regardless of how legitimate their bid is. Stephano only cares about there being an exciting race for the win. Outside of that, he says he couldn't care less how many teams are on the grid. And that is a huge problem for a sport that should be willing to have teams come and go as the money is there for it. If F1 denies Andretti Cadillac, then Stephano Dominicali needs to resign.
Stephano should have never become CEO to begin with. The guy has 0 managerial skills.
In order for him to resign, there will need to be significant outside pressure for resignation, and not just from the likes of us, either.
He will not be the decision maker - John Malone will be.
Exactly if you have the money to build the cars you should be allowed on the grid. F1 doesn't belong to Merc, Red bull or any teams most fans are excited by Andretti joining but does that count for anything
@@davidcarroll5701 F1 might not belong to the top teams, it will be over pretty soon should they ever decide to leave. Since FOM does not want that to happen to their cash cow, FOM is more likely to listen to those teams than some outsider like Andretti.
The other F1 teams will try to squeeze as money as possible out of this situation, and they will come up with the most shady and disgusting arguments why Andretti should not join.
In general all those F1 teams should have no say in that what so ever.
Why as their future, money and prestige relies on the good running of the F1 machine... instead of Liberty Media's drive for US domination and its bank balance... and how would 22 cars on the grid be better than 20 ? !
I counter, teams like Ferrari made f1 f1, there is a reason why gt championships are not as big as f1, they have the right to speak when some new guy just decides to come in when things are good like Toyota did
@@mehakmehak7342 All Toyota did was spend money for little reward. Any sport with manufacturer support is always going to attract companies and lose them on a regular basis. Honda have been in and out of F1 several times and Renault never seems to know what it's doing (I think that was the reason Alonso left them after he won the two championships with them).
I think while the teams that would be affected most by a new team is not the top teams but the midfield and back of the grid teams where (assuming Andretti is a midfield team at the least) there will be less chance to get into the points which will generate income in the Constructor's Championship.
@mehakmehak7342 and Ferrari definitely doesn't want another team to potentially knock them farther down the grid because "Ferrari made F1 F1" and therefore deserves to be at the top regardless of how they actually perform. Hell, Enzo himself didn't want ford on the la mans race because it was for his company not some American company.
Why would spectators want to see competition among the teams when they should want Ferrari and those other teams only.
I think F1 and the teams are panicking a bit now. They set a bunch of insane hurdles, believing nobody could ever make it through them all. But now Andretti shows up, gets the FIA's approval, and has GM backing. Now F1 doesn't know what to do, now all those fees and resource requirements are pocket change because they're dealing with a company as big as GM.
F1 is the kind of sport where an energy drink company can have two teams, but a team with actual racing pedigree can barely secure a spot on the grid.
Clown world we live in
Energy drink champions
There were no one stopping Andretti or GM from making a bid to buy Minardi from under the nose of Red Bull.
@@bardust if you remember, Andretti/GM has offered to buy quite a few teams and where wholly rejected
@@zaynkhan136 probably because with Minardi in 2005 was the last time a team owner considered it worthwhile to sell a team. You cannot expect Andretti to be able to buy a team simply because they want to, that's pretty arrogant behaviour. Also with Sauber and Audi, there were heaps of discussions of terms for how to run the team after aquisition and compromises to meet both parties' demands. If no set of conditions were sufficient for either Andretti or any given team on the grid - no sale. Same with Marussia F1 in 2014 and Honda F1 in 2010, Andretti had chances to buy a team then.
I personally support the idea of having 11th team on the grid for two reasons - the more competition the more fun and its gonna save a couple more seasons for Danny Ric on the grid
I support "the more the merrier", but that's not what you have at present. What you now have is 5 teams and their 5 sub-teams. Me thinks it's time to break up this nepotistic mish-mash and have 10, 11, 12, however many can afford it teams on the grid. I might go as far as to suggest 20 one car teams, then you wouldn't have two team drivers taking each other out of a race, no team orders, just 20 guys going balls to the wall to win.
@@dennissheridan1550agree well said😊😊
While F1 can say "add value etc", this runs very close to anti-competitive laws. F1 will want to avoid looking like a closed cartel because the EU has been very actively involved in anti competitive practices. Indeed any new entrant can claim - "it is not my job to increase the value of other teams or the sport in general. My job is to win races and make a profit as a business". F1 can say it is "safeguarding the interest of the sport" but with the FIA saying that Andretti meets the sanctioning body criteria, it might have a hard time passing EU scrutiny if the sole or main reason for turning down Andretti is "the rest of us make less money". That is the ENTIRE point of competition and the very heart of anti-competitive laws.
I hope they do deny Andretti, So that EU can come down hard on them with anti competition laws And set a precedent going forward that basically forces f1 to accept new teams if they're deemed competitive and viable
@@Gleepglurp how many teams even have factories in EU? All in UK. Idk if this law effects them, maybe they all moved outside EU for that reason
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Ferrari, Haas and Alpha Tauri have at least some of their facilities in Italy (though Alpha Tauri seems to be moving to the UK soon), though Alpine's factory is in the UK its Renault engines are built in France, and while Sauber is currently set up in Switzerland it will move to Germany when Audi takes over. So it may affect up to half the grid in some way.
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 lol try again, ever heard of Ferrari?
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168UK still adheres to EU competition laws.
I will dislike F1 slightly less if Andretti gets in.
If Red Bull is allowed two teams then there's no reason for F1 to deny Andretti
They’re grandfathered in, we are talking about incoming teams. Which is completely different.
Red Bull bought two already existing teams for them to have 2
Great example of a non-sequitur you just posted there.
I wonder at what point do the European Commission get involved and start looking into F1 and it being a closed shop? Okay the teams are based largely in Britain but we have similar laws here. However the FIA is French, and it makes me wonder if anyone in Brussels is watching this closely. The EU is going after big monopolies on all fronts recently, after all so...
Makes me also wonder if it'll dissuae any new teams from jumping in having seen what, publically, Andretti has been put through
it's a private racing event. That's like saying European Commission should investigate Taylor Swift's ticket prices.
@@Incomprehensiblue ? A "private racing event" is a group of friends renting a track for a day. F1 is a business and subject to more regulation as such.
I get the teams complaints, but I think all the fans would agree a new team that is bringing real potential is positive. It will be messy if the teams shut this down in respect to the fans IMO.
I don't see how adding a new team adds anything of value to F1.
@@OmegaGamingNetworkadds more racing and more storylines
@@OmegaGamingNetwork”I don’t see how adding content adds content to F1”
The cars now are so big it would just cause more clutter and will make it harder to overtake cause the lack of space.
There is no good American drivers and Cadillac won't be able to compete in engineering with the European teams.i don't see how this would benefit the fans ar all. Another back marker team
@@Celta88"more teams= more seats= more drivers get a chance.
Can someone explain to me exactly what value Haas brings to the table?
Buying the absolute maximum of parts they are allowed to while not pushing any boundaries and not even giving rookies a chance.
They stuck in there during the tough times.
@@kevinshort3943 What tough times? They joined in 2016 lmao
I have largely given up on F1 currently. Adding this team would be a step to renewing my faith.
I suspect that all opposed are fully aware that people with the skill, historic track record in motorsports worldwide and public profile of the Andretti family , have the potential in tandem with GM to do a very good job. My interest always used to be in new teams arriving and progressing (or not!). The attitude of the present closed shop f1 appears to be ‘if I can’t win then I’m not playing’. I would love to see Andretti and others destroy the present order.
Now you need a video on all the potential legal issues. Is this going to come under the EU's aegis for example, is it going to be in the American Courts because of Liberty Media? Or might it even come under the London courts. Let's face it, the potential legal battles will be much more exciting than the on-track action this year.
Just let them in FFS. The sport needs more teams
You can't compare Williams to the other Red Bull team or Haas. William's part of the Fabric of the sport
I agree. They're currently nothing like they used to be, but they do have a long history in F1.
So was the Nordschleife. So were cigarette ads. So were the V10s. But those things are gone and everyone moved on. The same will happen with Williams within the decade.
@@cell172 If Williams keeps the current trajectory going I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to last past a decade. The budgetcap + Williams recent influx of good cash via good backing + gaining popularity of F1 and total worth of the sport, it would be an insane dumb move for Williams to sell their team. Even if they would be dead last every year it's still worth it as a brand to be in F1 in the current era. Some things would have to be adjusted probably and they should do more brand stuff but they could very well easily survive.
As a fan located on the Andretti side of the pond, I really want to see Andretti F1. A team back by Andretti won't be at the back of the field for very long if ever.
You don't always get what you want in life. And yes, Andretti will stay at the back for several years, that rebadged Renault engine won't do much for them.
They would always be back markers. GM has never made a F1 power plant, they are just trying to get in to bolster his failing bottom line.
The problem was never really with the FIA or even Andretti in the first place. There has always been a fundamental battle between FOM/Liberty Media and the teams about who's gonna chip in on the diminished price money bill. Because if it's up to the teams, Liberty Media might end up compensating out of their own personal F1 income if necessary to make sure the price money per team stays equal. Whereas Liberty Media wants the teams to bear some of the burden if it comes down to it. Of course, neither the teams nor Liberty Media speak loudly about this looming conflict because Plan A for both still is to have Andretti pay all of it.
Imagine the "Pinnacle of Motorsport" being unable to fill it's grid for 28 years... oh, there is no need to imagine this, it's what's happened.
Frankly the tracks and broadcasters should sue F1/FIA for not providing the whole F1 grid, they pay a lot of money to host the races, seems only fair they get the whole thing, not just most of it.
this one is the most controversial since january to now which is october 🤯
Remember when people used to rock up with a Ford V8 in the back of something they made in a lockup? They turned up to go racing, sometimes without sponsors. Bring value? You mean make us more money. The sport part of this died a long time ago
Fia : ur good 👍
F1 teams- “we want to race and have competition”
*new team tries to enter*
F1 teams - “noooo please noooo”
Hear me out. This could absolutly be the key to fully blowing the sport up in the US if Andretti gets in. Which means a lot more possible sponsors, veiwers, and maybe even future drivers.
What if Andretti/Cadillac gets in and in 5 years they are fighting with the back markers? Won't Cadillac pull out and leave Andretti to go at it alone? The only way would be to oblige Cadillac to stay in at least 10 seasons, but that might mean that they are less interested in taking the risk
F1 does not need local national sponsors. This is not Laughcar.
No one needs more americans lmao. It will only bring down the sport's legitimacy.
@@ronbelanger4113It may not be what F1 needs, but it is certainly what F1 wants. Why else do we have 3 US GPs?
@@ronbelanger4113 is that why there's a new US gp every year for last 2 years?
If Andretti gets rejected by the FOM it'll be a case of a few rich guys defying the will of the vast majority of fans and the employees that work for them. That is a proposition unacceptable for a functioning sport and therefore everything has to be done including legally if necessary to get this 11th team onto the Grand Prix Grid.
Very good video and very good arguments. I look forward to upcoming tough questions to the powers that be in the future.
How can you deny a team from a country they now have 3 races in?
I wonder why Andretti is the only one that has been accepted by FIA? :D
well yes
they have to prove they are a serious beneficial addition, along with lots more. Cadillac is a huge car manufacturer and on top an American one at that, and seeing as there's 3 American races this year it makes sense why they'd favor them.
I think it's smart becouse if 10 teams & f1 says no it will ruin thier images, while others teams are just gimmick in first place which can't be that competative
Because they have money, layed out plans and a development timeline in place for their 2025 entry and beyond, the other ones probably failed in one of these aspects
Fia also takes bribes.
I hope f1 don't reject Andretti. If they do that, they will make the sport look terrible
F1 teams agree any new team has to pay $200 million to enter.
A new team comes and pays the 200$ million.
F1 teams: 😧, no, it has to be higher.
Well, Andretti has not pay it, but they know it can.
Current teams trying to stop new applicants is rich considering at one point they also had to be new entrants
most of them bought teams that sucked.
@@1rbdfl but those bad teams also had to be a new entrant at some point
I get that teams are not happy about new teams entering but why would they sign the concorde agreement outlining ways on how teams can join and then not honor it? Then don't even have a "pay X amount and provide a good business case" clause if you don't want people to take you up on the offer.
I think they need the delusion of being the "best race" with the "best cars". If it's not open, then it's only their opinion. It's the difference between MLS and Champions league. If you keep winning, you can get into the champions league starting from Serie D in Italy (or lower, I forget what the lowest division is). You still need money, but there isn't a test of how much money you have or bring.
At this point im getting more and more annoyed by teams such as Haas, Alfa Romeo and Tauri who are looking hopeless...
The field spread today, between first and last place - is on occasion smaller than the the gap between first and third was in the nineties.
None of these teams are useless, none.
And new teams should be very, very careful what they wish for.
Love how the teams don't want to honor a contract that they all agreed to.
They do want to honour it, they just want to change the contract since circumstances have changed. Happens all the time in business.
@EntropicExergy true I get it. But how mad can they be when someone wants to follow the rules that they agreed to. Either way I think andretti will add a lot of value to the sport. And they can make a Netflix season about andrettis first year to market it. Just seems like f1 wants the American market/money while also saying screw you to the American public
@@pepperenis95 Those rules were agreed upon in 2020/2021 and things have changed quite a bit since then. Can't fault the teams to try and update said rules to fit those changes. And if the Americans see that as a screw you, then that is simple misinterpretation. From a business POV, it makes perfect sense that they do. They are in it not only for the sport, money is what makes the world go round at the end of the day.
@EntropicExergy yeah I agree with you. It just seems like the other teams are greedy and I know the sport has gained lots of popularity, but they were willing to let anyone in before without a thought. Look at manor and virgin. But an f1 champion name like andretti you would think would be a shoe in but it's like they don't want him in. I like the idea of him getting in because it's more seats for new drivers
@@pepperenis95 And ever since that debacle they learnt from it. By doing so, they now want to gauge how serious any entrants are by having a buy-in of over half a billion. And don't think Andretti isn't greedy, that's his very motivation too. He was nowhere near interested when F1 wasn't as profitable, which means he does not care much about F1 as a sport contrary to the current teams who stuck around ever since.
This will make Americans actually able to have a team to support that isn't trash. They could be podium contenders unlike Haas
Lets not get ahead of ourselves, especially with a new drivetrain. In the long term, absolutely. I haven't seen a brand new drive train introduced to F1 that didn't have significant teething troubles so the first few seasons might be... more storied than glorious.
Interesting question for me is how Haas responds to the new American drive trains (both Cadillac, and nominally Ford RBPT) and whether American-ness is enough for Gene to walk away from Ferrari.
You can't predict the future, though I do think Andretti would end up being more successful than Hass that gets 2nd grade Ferrari engines and parts.
Ford Cosworth 1965@@hagamapama
@@steves259 So you have to go back 55 years to find the exception?
Wouldn't Repco Brabham qualify? That was only 54 years ago ;)
It's not that Haas is trash being the reason why Americans don't like Haas. It's because Haas is just Ferrari's B team. They don't feel like OUR team as Americans. We want a team run by Americans, backed by Americans, and who doesn't answer to someone like Ferrari.
Instead to bring another team, F1 should evaluate the permanence of Haas, Alpha Tauri or Williams, those teams don’t bring nothing to the competition
How does Williams not contribute to the competition when they've risen several spots in the championship compared to last season and regularly challenge for points?
Sorry to the Williams fans, but the team the last five years have not performed well, in any sport if a team is not performing well, loss the category
Let's see how far will the likes of Stefano, Toto, and Horner move the goalpost
Editing was fun in this one, nice job!
More teams, more variance in the mix
This feels like protectionism with greed as the excuse. With 7 teams having some base in the UK and all in Europe, they just don't want a purely American team. They want F1 to be a globally viewed sport, but owned by the UK/Europe. They have no intention of F1 being a truly global sport, which is why Sulayem was more than happy to put them in this position and expose the elitism
The race really really doesnt want andretti does it which seems strange
I don't get why.
Aramco sponsor - sponsor of Aston Martin - Aston Martin doesn't want a new team
Commas are an important part of making a comprehensible sentence.
They've run out of reasons to be angry at Verstappen, so they're scratching the bottom to find something else to get riled up about.
you must've been watching a different video
Honestly, everything else aside, Andretti Cadillac would be an excellent addition to the F1 grid. Being a US based team, with two names beloved by the American auto fans part of the team, it would draw more viewership to the sport from the country, not to mention would also be good for Liberty Media (a US based company). There would be enough of a value add that the prize pool would expand enough to make the split in revenue negligible at best
Since Andretti will not be anywhere near being competitive for wins or the championships, their attempts at getting a Renault deal heavily points towards it, no American will be interested apart from the ones that already are. Since that means no growth, Andretti has no added value. So why is Andretti such an excellent addition, because i see no reason for such a statement at all.
@@EntropicExergy idk what you mean, just having an American driver in F1 on a non American team brought a lot of people to watch. Imagine a US team, and F1 needs to capitalize on the recent trending growth of F1 in America
@@procharliee5575 Since i posted this in English, that is a you problem. No, it did not, Sargeant hasn't brought all that much. Indycar and even Nascar are bigger than F1 in the U.S., you clearly do not understand the sports culture in the U.S.. But hey, we European fans of F1 don't care much for F1 growing in the U.S. if it means we get less of that cringe stuff like the opening ceremony in Miami this year with that ridiculous driver presentation.
I have a feeling that I should enjoy my fandom while I can. If Andretti doesn't get in, I am out. Such a shame, as I only began watching in 2021 and have fallen in love with it. But, if F1 does F1 things, I will walk away.
It clearly reflects Domenicali's attitude. Dude can't make the right choices thru his career.
With the cost cap being a thing, teams shouldn't be feeling that pressured by another team giving it a go. If they're gonna keep it to 10 teams, then at least throw out the ones that just don't work. Haas for example.
Williams too
It only makes sense for a new addition of an American team with the push for extra races in the USA
Given how much F1 team values have ballooned in recent years I wonder what would have become of Manor had it somehow soldiered through 2017 and 2018 to reach the DTS-era.
Let's not pretend competition is a concern for F1.. they will resist competition around every corner, especially if it's American.. especially if it's GM.. They don't want anyone messing up the order of their parade.
Ben Sulayem started this whole thing as an FU to the 10 teams because they are resisting him. All this started from Abu Dhabi 2021.
All the reasons youve suggest F1 could turn down andretti are definitely in a grey area in terms of legallity.
Two more seats it would be great for f2 drivers to get a chance in F1. Unfortunately even the Champions are struggling to get a seat
It is undeniable that there is vast room to expand America's F1 footprint. Denying the US a second team when Great Britain arguably has 4 (Williams, Aston, McLaren, and for all intents and purposes Mercedes) would be a terrible look.
I think it's pretty clear that Cadillac has already started work on Andretti's drive train and will push to get that accepted regardless of what happens to Andretti itself, simply in a bid to recoup their investment. Also Ford now owns the RBPT motor. Denying America 2 teams when they have 2 competing drive train manufacturers would be absolutely silly.
Bottom line, this is a battle that F1 would be very wise to choose not to fight. But with the amount of bullheaded Brits running things in F1, expect them to do the exact opposite for the worst and most blatantly selfish reason.
FOM really getting annoying now
It's insane to me to think bringing a new team in, especially one named Andretti/Cadillac wouldn't bring in a ton more eyes and therefore money. Also year after year the revenue has to be increasing significantly... With the addition of Miami and Vegas more eyes, especially in America, are on the sport than ever. This would only add to it... None of this is down to profit imo... I believe Toto and Christian don't want more competition... Also, I don't understand what's "owed to Alpha Tauri, Haas, or Williams... They're in at the best time in F1 history monetarily.
Andretti a lot more deserving than many currently on the grid.
With 3 US races, another American team will only help solidify F1's popularity in the US.
Andretti and Cadillac will move the needle in the US. My father and grandfather both perked up at this news, just pulling in a fraction of Indy and NASCAR fans is a huge win. With 3 races In the US they already know the potential. A red White and Blue car and GM marketing would be enormous to the demographic they want. Along with GM comes the other sponsors. Turning it down would also sour the fan base they have started to build.
the last red white and blue "american" car was dressed in russian colors (HAAS). turned out super well for everyone involved.
The Andrettis are open wheel racing royalty in the US and GM is a hell of a car company. They shouldn't say no just to keep it Euro Centric.
The value of all the current teams is a lot lower if a new one can be added. The whole thing is a massive fight over which stakeholders matter most.
It's just soo funny watching F1 push into the US yet can't make an exception for a truly US team, not to mention why they wouldn't have a team named after one of it's WDC.
Didn't know Renault were US?
Rejecting Andretti is proof enough that F1 is a circus and not a sport. With the cost cap in place, it's the first real time in F1 where the teams can be profitable and not just a break even enterprise, and I think that's why there's push back. Andretti and Cadillac have shown they're committed and I can't think of a clear reason to reject other than the teams looking at a threatened bottom line.
You mean a circus, like Indycar or Nascar, where crashes provide all of the entertainment and the winner is decided like it is in a lottery, not the best man/team winning. Trying to make a deal with the worst engine manufacturer in F1 since the hybrid regs is not commitment, it shows all the signs of a moneygrab. Trying to cash in on the current success and jump ship quickly as the results aren't as expected. Because i can tell you one thing, Alpine isn't going to win anything with that shitty Renault they run, neither will Andretti.
I know there’s more to it but when a new driver doesn’t compete against other drivers very well in their first ten races we expect their future to be in question but a constructor underperforms against other constructors for a decade and that’s no problem.
I’ve always looked at it one way-find the best drivers to sit in the best race cars. Maybe it’s time to find the best teams to provide those race cars to the best drivers in the world.
Just a thought: add another team or two -- four cars, let's say -- and then what sort of "traffic jams" do you get in Q1, with cars jockeying for position for that final flying lap at the very end, when the track's at its best? They might want to think about reducing the size of the cars.
It's in their best interest. The other teams are being literal children. They get prize money but they literally cannot use it all in a season.
That is known as profit. It happens in most business endeavors. It is THE GOAL of all business endeavors. They can spend it any way they want aside of their limited budget per F1 rules.
But in this case, it's pure greed and protectionism.
Remember when F1 had to run pre-qualification every weekend because it had too many teams trying to get on the grid. That was a healthy championship.
What era was that?
@@Mububban23 Pre-1992
The race and the use of the word “inevitable” is a true love story.
I would bet the reason the FIA made this announcement is to nudge the teams to approve the expansion. If it fails, everyone has egg on their face but if they approve it is water under the bridge.
The rules state that there are 12 teams MAX. There are ten. Andretti has the funds, has the name, the other teams should eat cake, and Andretti let in per the rules.