Tulsa hospital shooter targeted surgeon he blamed for pain, police say
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- A gunman who killed his surgeon and three other people at a Tulsa medical office blamed the doctor for his continuing pain after a recent back operation and bought an AR-style rifle just hours before the rampage, police said Thursday. www.fox4news.c...
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I have chronic pain. It can make you suicidal if you don’t take authority over your mind.
You can treat it with Ayurveda medicine . Thank me later
We should be asking why this is happening not just saying it’s the guns fault
I used to work rental cars, a man missed his flight and we had no cars late at night near closing.
He told me he wanted to blow up the train station and shoot me for not giving him a car.
This is how yall sound justifying this deranged demen.
It doesn't justify the killings. I've had 3 surgeries in recent years and the lack pain management is terrifying every time I've had to have a surgery. After care is awful.
Pain will make one crazy.
MsPuggles I agree! I had a total knee replacement and the pain meds were not tolerated by my body.
I asked for help and was offered Tylenol and Tramadol both of which do not help the pain of a metal knee inserted in my body.
3 months of pain and non sleep. Just awful.
there are never excuses, but there are always explanations
Pain is tolerable. Grow some balls. Not worth killing innocent ppl.
@@NaTasha-nh4nm pain varies, and back pain is debilitating. there is no excuse for this, but there are explanations
I have had the same thing happen to me. If people are honest their are millions that have chronic pain for the rest of their life from failed back surgery. It’s been 8 years for me of daily horrible pain. I never thought it would still be with me, but it is. I would never want to kill anyone but I would not recommend him to anyone.
wait same doctor?
I have seen ppl lay on a hospital floor cause of spinal pain is so bad, with nasty attitude nurses and doctors complaining to security to remove person from hospital. The most dangerous person is the one, with a grudge, who believes you ate the cause and doesn't have anything to lose.
They coated my blood to my back to stop the pain. Morphine didn't help for two days. It was terrible.
No back surgery is or any surgery really, but particularly back surgery is guaranteed to cure the problem. It can be a miracle or it can not work at all. Pain can make people do crazy thing. Also i dont think weeks is enough time to call it failed. More recovery is needed
Best wishes for you Mary. I've had one back surgery. I got second opinions and it's agreed not to do another one because it could turn out bad. Spinal cord stimulator and pain meds keep it pretty well under control. I know what you're going through. That pain is damn near unbearable.
I suffer from a chronic pain problem and my doctor will not give me anything for it. They are more concerned about their carreers than your health.
You are an addict. Learn how to manage pain through therapy.
Find another pain management Dr. Your surgeon did it.
@@NaTasha-nh4nm How dare you. If you are in pain pain pills do not give you any kind of high. They just take the edge off the pain.
@@NaTasha-nh4nm You are misinformed. It literally says in the CDC documentation "Equianalgesic dose conversions are only estimates and cannot account for individual variability in genetics and pharmacokinetics." This translates over to "Not every medication will affect every person the same way." in layman's terms.
@@JShdwstar Don't pay attention to good'ol Natasha, she/he/it is a troll.
If he was in so much pain how did he manage that rampage.
That’s what I was just thinking!!
adrenaline??
Guns make killing someone as easy as pulling a trigger.
He managed the rampage by knowing that he wouldn't have to endure the pain for much longer.
Have you experienced fits of rage...your body becomes numb to everything
doctors don't prescribe pain meds anymore. if you have enough pain you can lose your mind. its a shame this happened
Then you never had a mind to begin with
@@NaTasha-nh4nm spoken like someone who never had surgery
@@cloudymaro 3 c sections, a blood transfusion, a spinal tap. Try again. Some ppl have a stronger mind and tolerance. You have obviously never been in a predicament where tolerance is your only option.
I'm kind of going through a similar situation right now I'm going nuts over this pain I'm losing faith
okay just dont shoot any of us plz lol
What happened to you?
Have you tried cannabis? Not saying it’s a cure all, just curious. Some people say it helps and it’s better because you don’t get horribly addicted.
@@catheriney6209 I had my MM card for 3 years. It's not a fix all cure all that everyone believes it is. It helped with my migraines but it doesn't do anything for spinal damage. Also, it does cause addiction. I was having crazy withdraws from it.
@@JShdwstar I get withdrawals because I smoke everyday so when I stop, the body is used to having it. It doesn't make me scratch my chin and feen for it. Your body just readjust. IMO it's not addictive, the person using it is the issue. You might be prone to addiction.
When a patient complains that they are in pain, listen to them!
Doctor aren't magicians. They don't make pain go away. They only give you meds to help. Maybe you should go to a magician next time???
You have obviously never dealt with patients through an opioid epidemic. Pain is part of life and healing
Sounds like he was in real pain and the doctor didn’t take care of it
@@NaTasha-nh4nm What are you doing on here?
The killer wanted more drugs. Only he knows whether he actually NEEDED more drugs, but I'm inclined to say that anyone who was well enough to run around arming himself to KILL the person who wouldn't give them to him might not be the best person to "listen to."
Y'all, you're going to have pain after surgery.
Unless the doctor like did something wrong or left something in there, pain is normal which is why you get pain and anti-inflammatory medications.
And for anyone about to say doctors won't give necessary pain medication, I don't know where you are from, but around here people who I know who have had surgery always get quality pain medication.
From C-Sections to back surgery and everything in between.
Are you a surgeon? How do you know?
thats not CHRONIC PAIN ,it means LONG TERM PAIN ,their the ones thats been cut off !
@@EDD519 And you know this how? I've had horrible, post-surgical, inadequately treated pain and I know doctors woefully undertreat it because they are afraid of getting in legal trouble, The laws in Oklahoma are particularly restrictive in this regard. (Personally, I think legislators are practicing medicine without a license when they decide what my doctor can and cannot prescribe for me.) And why should people in chronic pain be cut off? Do you believe that pain somehow isn't real?
He killed the Dr because he blamed him for the pain or because he could not get pain medication?
Meds can only do so much. Sometime it doesn't help with pain. Deal with it. Doctors aren't magician. They don't make pain go away.
They completely skipped over that part.
It's because of opioid addicts overdose deaths that we can't get the opioid pain relief that us patients truly need.
To hell with drug addicts, give us our pain relief NOW.
Both. Back surgery is never indicated it's just a cash cow. Likelihood is greater that u well end up worse off. Do stretching for back pain not sx.
@@prestonpreston9108 I was saying essentially the same thing. I agree. People need pain relief. Don't convict doctors for prescribing what patients need. If some OD, then they brought it on themselves.
Back pain is unlike any other. I had a back problem for about 1 week and it drove me to distraction. Pain pills had no effect, might as well been eating popcorn. Only relief, temporary, was to jackknife myself over a chair, lasted maybe 10 minutes. Fixed problem when I got an inversion device that would hold me upside down by my ankles. Never want to go through that again.
Even tho I used to work for a huge ortho clinic (a few floors up from Dr. Phillips!), I am now a FIRM believer in chiropractors. They have helped me several times with back pain. But yes, inversion is good! I'm an RN, BSN btw.
Yes, I have a zero gravity recliner. These things decompress the spine, so the nerves are not being crushed.
What a coward he had so much pain but went to buy a gun he carried it and killed innocent people that’s pain that won’t heal 😢
Lmfao
Not a "random" act of violence it was deliberate he had his target , call it what it was REVENGE !!!!
Not revenge, because that would imply the Doctor meant to cause the pain. It was aggravated assault.
@@axx012 are you psychic and can talk to the dead now?)/* Hey, at least he got his surgeon..)/* Cheers to that guy!
@@axx012 it is REVENGE because the doctor caused it and then refused to treat it appropriately , you cause it you fix it , quite simple !!
@@axx012 it was revenge because the doctor refused to give the man pain meds. Thats what sent dude over the edge.
I've worked in a hospital. I've seen ppl in such pain they've asked if anyone could cut off the limb causing the pain. Back surgeries have a nasty fail rate. It's better to do anything but any surgeries.
"fail rate"???? They are all contra indicated!!!!! but we know why they are performed.
I was blessed to have a back surgeon tell me how much pain I would be in if I had the surgery and that it could fail. I chose to not have the surgery thank God. I do take low dose of Pain meds but I never escalate to where it became a problem for the Dr. or me. I am so grateful the surgeon told me the truth. I live with managable pain.
@@loverofcalifornia3619 U r unbelievably blessed to have an honest doctor. "One back surgery presages another" !!!! It's a slippery slope. In addition to low dose meds or ibuprofen do the correct!!! back stretches every time your back starts to act up. Knowing the correct back stretches requires a consult w a knowledgeable!! and honest PT. Took me w while to find one as most don't know what they are talking about.
There’s no excuse for what he did but I understand him. I also suffered pain after my foot surgery. The doctor only gave me 10 pills 💊 for severe pain. Really? Just 10 😡. I was so pissed off that he told me if they would give me more , he could lose his license. I had to go to another country to get medicine.
If you would go to another country for that then you need an intervention
@@NaTasha-nh4nm if you can't wrap your brain around the idea that the pain was so bad that she had to travel to another country to get pain killers for relief, you need an IQ bump of about 180 points.
@@steelsteez6118 the person is a troll
@@steelsteez6118 it is unreasonably inconvenient to travel instead of finding something over the counter to fill the pain not eradicate it. Did you not expect any discomfort to be associated with a foot surgery🙃
@@NaTasha-nh4nm That's one example of how "expectation" and "reality" are, uh... different. You don't know this person's perspective. Begone lol
Who cares where he got the gun, treat people who have had surgery with pain medication. Stop assuming everyone is an addict and give them the medication they need!
Maybe doctors are hesitant to prescribe pain meds because many people abuse them and take too much, leading to ODs. Then the doctors are sentenced to prison.
Maybe they did. Maybe he was the kind of guy who wanted pain meds for any discomfort he felt, no matter how minor, maybe he didn't follow the prescription, and overused the meds he had (if any) before the appropriate time for them to run out, popping them in like candy.
Strange others had this happen. I wanted to jump out of a window to stop the pain.
Pretty sad both ways. Something must have been wrong because there was a follow up appointment and the patient still didn’t get help?
Give people the pain medicine that they need.
Dude killed a caregiver and this is your response. Do better
How about NOT giving people the guns they DON'T need!
@@pricklypear7516 How about not to allow doctors to perform surgeries if the doctors are incompetent?
@@thomaskim5008 They aren’t incompetent. They went to school and earned a degree to help people. They go into surgery with the goal to heal. He had only had surgery less than two weeks ago… healing takes time. And even still it is not the doctor’s fault. Sometimes it’s just how the body works- and spinal issues are not an easy recovery process either. It’s a very sensitive and delicate area.
He can’t allow the patient to stuff himself with addicting pain meds and risk his health that way either.
Nothing justified the death of this doctor nor the other victims. Nothing.
@@Beanbean45 Then, why did the doctor not offer any pain management? By the way, just because he went to a medical school does not mean he is a competent surgeon. Not all surgeons are competent.
Two weeks after surgery of course he would be in pain. Rest in peace the medical crew 🙏🏽
How long wtf I’ve hit my ankle and had 2 weeks of pain!!!
Don't forget to pray for the guy who was in pain but was neglected to have his pain addressed by his Dr
If America had decent healthcare this might have been avoided.
If Dr. N society want to reduce paine n suffering then they should reconsider death with dignity because No one should suffer from a debilitating medical issues in my opinion.
That dude died with some dignity.. he got the surgeon !)/* Sad about the others, but it sounds like the surgeon had it coming..)
@@andretokayuk8100 agreed 👍
I've had two major back surgerys, I now have 4 Pins that looks like bolt's and screws, this was the most painful ordeal I ever had to go through, but I had plenty of pain meds, to get me through it, my Doctor was awesome, so sorry for the family's may God strengthen you all and give you comfort,
Chronic pain is crippling and it can become all you think about. For people already on the edge, it can drive them over like it did here. Yes, opiod abuse is a crisis, but doctors need to listen to their patients and allow pain killers when there is true pain.
It’s not that easy to determine who’s hurting and who’s not brotha. There is never an excuse for something like this
@@firepainter862 the first person with logical thinking.
Why didnt they mention the doctor refusing to perscribe pain meds??
@@firepainter862 its easy to say theres no excuse when its not you in the situation. Also the guy killed himself so i really dont see the point in saying theres no excuse for this.
@@vice2versa they said he suggested something different than what the shooter wanted, try to keep up.
All because he couldn't get pain medicine 💔 just think how different it could have been if the Dr treated his pain instead of adding to his suffering.
You know, here you say the Dr. should have treated his pain instead of adding to his suffering - and on the other side the federal government is prosecuting for overprescribing pain medications "the opioid epidemic".
We doctors need to hit that 'razor-thin sweet spot' or risk being prosecuted or being shot.
Unfortunately doctors are in fear of losing their licensure for prescribing pain medication.
@@Cave_Canem_the_Perro Just a victim of the US and how many doctors will prioritize many other issues before the patient themselves. Not all situations will be a razor thin sweet spot and the fact that you see it that way says a lot.
In reading the dumpster fire masquerading as a comment section for this video I find it amazing that people with no knowledge of this man's medical history's 1st response to this horrific shooting is to blame the victim for his horrific murder. So the doctor's 2 choices are to:
1. Overprescribe opioids as the man wanted and risk his career and his freedom.
2. Face brutal execution at the hands of a maniac with a gun.
I am thankful to the universe for your brain sir 🙏🏽
Your i doctor or i relative of one arent you?
It's ok.. just like we have cop-suckers, we have doc-suckers..)/* You two should get a room.. just don't make any babies I have to put through school with my tax slavery.
You have no idea what overprescribing in this case would be. How do you know? I know Drs. that do not give adequate pain relief and it is very possible he could have presribed more without it being oversubscribing. Then the man would have gotten adequate pain relief and the Drs. would be alive.
@@lobo-uh2tb I am not. I have lost ppl due to opioid addictions, I have worked for surgeons that would give all their dedication to patients, I have treated patients that were cruel and some who were amazing, I see that 4 ppl died today and it was uncalled for an inexcusable. I stand for them.
Gun people be like: that's why they need to lift gun laws. That's why every single hospital needs every employee with a gun. Every school teacher needs a gun. Every walmart employee needs a gun. Every kindergarten needs a gun. Every anger management needs a gun. Every dog needs a gun. Because if every cat had a gun then this wouldn't have happened.
Anti gun people. If we just passed more laws, criminals wouldn't break the law and kill people anymore!
If evil ever shows up on your "doorstep", what do you want in your hand? A phone for calling the government begging for help to save your life,. Or a gun?
You clowns live in a fantasy world.
Many people have back pain. Surgery doesn't always cure it. Weight management, exercise, stretching , massage and chiropractic should always be tried first.
Thank you!!!
He would be in pain, possibly still severe after back surgery. I know because I looked into it myself. And how do you know he did not try what you suggest first? U don't.
@@loverofcalifornia3619 people love to assume people who kill themselves or others for whatever reason had simple salutions to their problems that they didnt try first.
When monsters torture you, you fight back...
My prayers are with the victims family. And co workers Peace and strength during these difficult moments.0
We should be asking why this is happening not just saying it’s the guns fault
People need pain relief. Don't convict doctors for prescribing what patients need. If some OD, then they brought it on themselves by not following the set dosage.
This is so sad. I will be the first to say if others in my field have not chimed in. I am licensed to practice Physical Therapy. It is very common for patients to be unrealistic after medical procedures. Very few surgeries will clear your pain outright. Your body just does not heal like that. It takes significant time for soft tissues and surrounding bone and muscle to heal properly. You will have pain after surgery and it is often controlled post operatively pretty well with narcotics. This gentleman more than likely did not adhere to medical instruction after his procedure and therefore wanted to blame his doctor for his pain. Let's not forget medicine in itself is actually a form of art. This is explained to you in pre op by your doctor before you even get the anesthesia. You sign paperwork that explains this in depth. I see back patients all the time after surgery and this is the most extreme thing I have ever heard of. We generally want to help all patients feel better and move on with life and recover however you have to be realistic here.
Doctors have stopped prescribing pain meds period. They are giving iv Tylenol and motrin oh and gabapentin. That's not opioid pain mess and does not treat pain. At all. It's cruel to not treat pain because you have a misplace fear of someone becoming addicted to opioids. The chance of becoming addicted to opioids from a prescription is very very low in reality but PROP has done an excellent job with their proproganda work within the CDC which is why we have these dumb 90mme guidelines. And with the DEA prosecuting doctors, they choose their license over their patients. Doctors are becoming draconian in their opioid prescribing. The pain community has said this for years and now it's effecting everyone not just us in the pain community. There will be more carnage on the govts hands because people don't like to be cut open and left in severe pain like a lab rat. The medical community is shameful. We are back in the 1700s.
While certainly true, there are some unique types of pain (or maybe "nerve reactions" would be a better term, since I would say akathisia and some manifestations of peripheral neuropathy fall under this umbrella) that can literally drive people insane. However, since people who experience a severe mental decline from those sorts of reactions tend to kill only themselves, it doesn't make news in the same way.
That to say: it may not be that he mismanaged his expectations or sabotaged his aftercare; it's possible that something during his surgery triggered a new pain that actually affected his mental stability. _Of_ _course_ that wouldn't make what he did good, or acceptable--it would only be a reason, not an excuse. It would, however, definitely be a wise thing to train healthcare workers on, so they have additional questions they can ask to help identify who may need psychological support (or intervention) when presented with a patient who is complaining of intense chronic pain.
It sounds like they refused to give him pain medication.
Wow, got a gun in a few hours? That has to stop!
Civility is going down the shitter. People are solving their problems with violence more and more now and days… *our culture is shifting…*
People only think of themselves...😡
Prescribe adequate pain medicine after surgeries and this wouldnt happen. If he wasnt in pain, this wouldnt of happened.
I can walk into a home depot, buy a hammer, and go crack craniums but guns are faster and efficient. Blame the person not the tool
Room full of 100 ppl
You have an AR15 and are there for 5 mins, all of those ppl are going to die.
If you bring a hammer in a room full of 100 people,you may hit one but all of them will survive and you will be pulverized especially if they restrained you, cause i wouldn't stop kicking your head in.
@@kidfriendly2647 so by your logic those same 100 individuals won't attempt to disarm 1 person with a rifle because?
It's so sad what happened here , blessings to all involved.
I hope doctors understand pain from such dangerous operation is real .
Are you blaming the doctor???
@@Bookthoughts92
Sometimes, certain Doctors don't think we know our bodies, and the pain we are in .
In Australia, many Doctors, think there God's
It's sad all the way round
No blame just unfortunate.
And he got a gun that day no background check and a semi automatic at that but we don’t want to talk about gun control smh
There was certainly a background check. However, he had no prior violent history. So, what then? What is your answer? How would you have prevented this from happening?
Any where that sells guns does background checks
@@AllHopeIsLost1134 That already happened...
Van, I understand your issue. I have stage 4 degeneration in both hips and protruding discs in my lower spine. I've been in a wheelchair for 1.5 years. I don't trust the AMA(aks: American Murder Association) anymore. My dad have hip surgery and for years kept going back to the Drs. complaining of pain. They ignored him, except when he said "I guess I'll have to go to my witch Dr.", they wrote in his medical records that he believed in Witch Drs. being too dense to understand his frustration with them. Moving forward several years he received a call stating that his hip replacement had to be redone as they had installed a defected hip part. He found what he thought was the correct Dr. (only did work on prior messed up knee and hip replacements), scheduled early in the am, and was home early afternoon. The nurse came the next day and had him sent back to the hospital for over a week as his entire leg was infected. Several years later he was told on the first Wed of Aug 2008 that he had a brain tumor and would be dead in 3-4 months. That weekend he had a ruptured intestine and the same hospital wanted to operate. He refused. Went home a week later, on morphine, and died Sept. 1, 2008.
how old are you?
There are too many incompetent doctors who should not be practicing any medicine.
:(
Wow.. good reason I avoid hospitals like the plague.. never even had a "checkup".. I'll live as long as I do and f@ck the establishment..
I'm sorry for everything your dad went through ☹
Omg this is why they need RED flag laws! And at least a 3 day pause on getting guns! Getting a gun and using it the same day! Holding the gun sellers responsible too!
do your jobs and stop treating us like cattle!
So. I’m tired of hearing the bullying, mental health, and video game violence excuses. ALL gun attacks we’ve been experiencing from the past few days and even last month are not because of mentally deranged people. These are people who WENT to locations WITH THE INTENT to hurt someone!!! The Buffalo shooting, Uvalde shooting, and now this. All of these MURDERERS that are fueled by anger and hate premeditated these attacks without regard for how other people would be affected. You cannot tell me something is wrong here. Especially after something as horrible as the Uvalde shooting… how did this man not think about how horrible the affects of gun violence are- how brutal and destructive they are- not only to the victims but to their families and the community? THEY DONT CARE… they are just selfish. And I’m tired of this.
Do you even know what mental illness is??? There are like dozens of mental illnessess that have nothing to do with insanity. The people with mental illness who commit these crimes is because of frustration at society for making their mental health worse.
End the War on Drugs and stop restricting pain medication for people who really need it, while legalizing all recreational drugs and selling them at state run recreational pharmacies.
This is why i call on God for my healings. This is so sad 😞 🙏🏾
How's that working out for ya?
How did he get into the hospital with a long gun. Aren't there cops at the front check in desk?
Dr. Phillips is to blame for this. I'm sorry to say this. But u don't deny people pain medicine after surgery.
The problem is he would've been given meds when released from hospital after surgery.. standard is 7-10days worth of doses.not sure if different for spine patients . But his surgery was about 2wks ago.. so he either went thru his set meds or he abused them then got mad because they wouldn't refill his script. I had surgery, they had to put my ankle back together.. I was given 9 days worth.upon my release. I had to stay in hospital 3 days. to this day I experience pain but I'm able to walk again.i have to use a cane, and it's unknown if I'll ever be able to return to work . .
not every surgery works or is a complete success!! All risks , and possible outcomes were discussed with him before hand.. whether he listened or not we may never know because he murdered the man that might've been able to tell us..
Isn't there a mandatory 72hr wait period, for this exact same reason?
Or are they purposefully wording this wrong?
I get doctors mess up, but the majority of people on these comments sound like the killings were a good thing. Yall need serious help.
Some people just hate doctors.
Don't blame, he was probably set back years and years financially for a failed surgery
This is NOT a mental health issue this is a frustration issue. Everybody knows customer service and quality is in the toilet and telehealth is frustrating as hell. A lot of times doctors are dismissive of your pain which is infuriating. Let alone the huge bill you have to pay for the terrible service you often get. As horrible as this event is I understand how it can happen. Unless ppl choose drugs to manage their pain in this post covid telehealth automated service world, sadly, I expect this type of event to happen more and more.
Wow 4 ppl lost their lives. You just sided with the perp 🤦🏽♀️
@@NaTasha-nh4nm no I didn’t I’m just objective. If you think that’s the case you’re free to be wrong
@@NaTasha-nh4nm Maybe you b!tch a$$ doctors will have a little more respect for the patient.. same thing needs to happen to crooked cops, so they get the picture too.. and we've got an unprecedented excess of parasitic government whores as well.. wake up, parasite state.. the stove is on high.
Jesus Christ, this ain't it 🤦.
@@NaTasha-nh4nm who cares??? People in the healthcare business dont deserve sympathy. F' them!!!!
Sad ..wish he have given the man some pain meds.. He was apparently in much much pain..he saw Doctor on Tuesday.. Wednesday. Doctor dead . My Lord
Of you can’t get pain meds, go to a buprenorphine doctor and get that instead but keep your dose at no more than 2 mg per day and you will have full pain relief, if you go over that dose it will start to block itself and won’t help pain at all.
2 weeks of pain after back surgery should be normal, right? I had hip surgery and I had pain for bout a month or 2 afterwards. Its gone now
I love how everyone is blaming the doctor but not the shooter or laws that allowed him to arm himself just hours before committing homicide
"our job is to help and heal"
"And bankrupt you"
Also anyone who reads this I'm not kidding in the least bit. I filed chapter 7 back in February because medical debt. Before my operation I had a 750 credit score and was in the process of buying a house. I now live in constant pain from a shoulder surgery. I didn't have insurance and I sttempted to go through a financial hardship plan at the hospital which performed the surgery. They wrote off $5,000 dollars on a $65,000 dollar surgery lol.
I feel like how this country is built and just statistics, this is a situation that can happen easily. Look at how many people can share a similar story about their own pain or even losing a family member to poor quality of health service, and imagine how much worse it gets for those on the poverty line. To the number of innocent people killed by poor treatment I'm surprised its not as frequent tbh
that means you go on a shooting spree
The US has the most modern best equipped hospitals and best doctors. Theres a good reason if people want urgent or professional care they go to the US from all over the world while Americans mainly only go abroad for cheaper medicine. Theres also a good reason the US leads the world BY FAR in medical innovation, medical investment and disease survival rates.
This shooting had nothing to do with "how the US is built". A lot of people who had surgery are in pain afterwards all over the world.
@@DesertStateInEU
And, the majority of people can't afford any of it.
@@danni1993 Incorrect. The majority of Americans are perfectly fine with their healthcare. The only ones screeching are the people that decided not to buy health insurance because they'd rather spend their money on weed because "its medicine", and also because their marxist professors convinced them not to buy healthcare to "fight the evil greedy capitalists" and because its a "right". Then they end up needing real healthcare and they become horror stories for the world to see.
@@DesertStateInEU
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Sad what happens when doctors stop treating pain. This is all on the govt. The CDC and DEA are prosecuting doctors for prescribing opioids over a fake prescription drug crisis. Really its illegal street drugs killing addicts not prescriptions. So now when you have surgery they send you home with Tylenol that doesn't help with pain. This man was begging for help and doctors ignored him and he snapped. I'm a irretractable pain patient. The only reason I'm still here is because I have minor children. I was on opioids that gave me my life ans career back after breaking my back. In 2017 doctors took my pain meds away and I've need living in horrific pain. I've been suicidal and on psych drugs. I've been homeless because I can't work. Doctors are ruining people's lives. So while I feel bad this man snapped, I completely understand. This blood is on the DEA and CDC guideline of 2016 and PROP. They did this.
WOW! I've had back surgery. Yes it hurts quite a bit for a few weeks. This guy had surgery like two WEEKS AGO! Unbelievable. It would have gotten much better in a week maybe two. SMH
Maybe he had a complication? Maybe the doctor screwed up? All people don't have the same tolerance to pain, what's 'painful' to you, may be excruciating to others.
I had to have a spinal tap and a bone marrow biopsy, everyone told me a bone marrow biopsy was the most painful thing ever...I didn't feel a thing.
What a baby, I got pain in my right side from my mother passing me norcos but u don't see me killing her or other ppl....
Lol ok.... whatever
Praying and watching from Altoona, PA.
I bet it was that the Doctor refused to right him a scrip for more pain meds.
that makes more sense.
Like a guy who is pissed that he cant get his Fix.
Bru another shooting it’s literally like a shooting every week
They have a database for mass shootings in the USA it pretty much is every day. For 1 to 3 shootings it is everyday, America is a nut place and it's oy like 50 percent of ppl thag have all the guns.
2 weeks? Jeez he expected not to have pain after 2 weeks????
No, he expected his post surgical pain after two weeks to be treated. It's unconscionable not to do something about a patient's pain after only two weeks.
Ummm after my ankle was put back together the pain didn't ease til about 2months.. that was around the time they had me starting to walk on it again.. sounds to me like this guy expected a miracle cure, then got pissed that after he used up his post opt meds got enraged!!!
@@Ellie49 they didn't release him after surgery without pain meds!!! He underwent back surgery and for some reason expected his back to not hurt only 2 wks later. Back surgery s are one of the hardest to do and most don't give the results you want.. he would've be told that.. from what I got out of this is he used up his script, and got pissed because he was still experiencing some pain, which would be normal.. but instead of using his adult brain/mouth to returning to the surgeon and even talk with his primary about the issue.. instead goes on a rage demanding meds. Yeah their gonna refuse him if he's acting like a drug crazy madman. Do you realize just how common people fake/ cause a scene or act out to try and force doc to give meds.. many of those people are abusing their meds.. and docs can't read minds.. they can lose their jobs if they give in to every person tantrums for meds.. and we don't know if he did abuse his meds?? We may never know.. but if the system the doc has to work in orders them to not just hand out addictive meds to people .. how is that his fault. He didn't deserve to die for following the rules he's been ordered to follow or lose his licence or his freedom.
How did he get in with a rifle to the 2nd floor?
Time to Legalize; this aint Mayberry folks
Curious if the doctor had any previous complaints 🤔
Chronic intense pain can drive you insane and now every state has made it harder to get strong pain pills saying they are addictive---well so is chronic pain! You don't sleep, you can't live a life worth living--no excuse for what this guy did...he should have just killed himself first and not the others. I have rare extreme arachnoiditis where all the nerves of my spine have clumped together and no disks left to protect nerves from the pressure of vertebrates so yeah it hurts all the time. My only option now is to try a nerve pain stimulator installed in my spine and if that doesn't work? Thankfully I have insurance and a pain management doctor and a neurological surgeon, was able to see 3 spine specialists, get x-rays & cat scans & MRI---but what if I couldn't?
Hey DEA and PROP, your 2016 guidlines for opiates are working really well. Everyones mad in this country for their own legitimate and founded reasons and we need to start caring about each other again. Make America empathetic again.
Agree completely!
I can understand his pain after 3 surgerys, last one being botched by a uncaring surgeon. Killing innocent people is not the answer, even if surgeon was a bum.
Nurses and medical employees are dealing with employee shortages just like every other profession, we sacrificed so many lives to COVID and still are showing up for work when millions got to work from home. Ppl dealing with pain are not being ignored but screened properly. The doctor did advise him how to manage the pain but he wanted an opioid. Do not only are medical heroes being targeted but also criticized. Ppl can be so ungrateful and self centered. I pray that one day Americans get off the recliner and have to serve the general public while ppl act like employees are just the help. Pain can be debilitating in case by case but a doctor can easily analyze what is reasonable and when a patient is over reacting. I will definitely honor the 4 lives lost bc Medical workers are not given proper credit or value.
You have to have an opioid for that kind of back pain; that kind of surgery! I am a retired nurse who has chronic back pain that my job caused! Are you really that ignorant? He WAS given opioid for pain relief following the surgery! What are U talking about?
No one knows the details of the case. Yet there are opinions on this thread supporting the shooter, which is sad. Back surgeons do provide pain medications after surgery but some pain is expected especially during the rehabilitation process, despite the medications provided. People have unrealistic expectations after surgery that their pain will magically go away- the man cut open your spine and likely placed rods and screws in the bones of your spine- why would you not expect pain post operatively?!
Have not read the title I'm pretty sure they are going to say that hey used a AR-15
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Pain can make you crazy….
Beware doctors, maybe you ought to consider prescribing something REAL for our pain besides extra strength ibuprofen. GOT IT?.
And there are some of us who can’t take anti-inflammatory drugs because our kidneys will fail.
Yeah send you home with 800ml.
Beware or what?
So, the firearms were purchased legally (BACKGROUND CHECKS DON'T WORK) I wonder why the gun free zone no weapons allowed sign didn't stop him.
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I am suffering great pain and I understand and sympathy for the guy , doctors need to understand what pain we are suffering it's horrible, doctors need to prescribe enough pain medicine for us to be relieved, I understand why the guy did this, I couldn't do something so horrible. I can hardly walk and the medicine they used to give me they won't give now , it's bull crap. 😤
32F, I had ankle surgery 2 days after Christmas.. it was necessary, I wouldn't ever walk again without it.. they're doing the best they can for me right now, but I'm limited in my ability to walk, I use a cane.. I had issues during surgery, I ended up staying 3 days in hospital instead of 3hrs.. they were limited in the amount of pain killers they could give me, mainly due to I stopped breathing and almost died.. but also to prevent further damage to my liver. To this day I'm in some pain.. I can't go back to work still? may not ever to be able to .. but compared to the agony I was in pre surgery.. I'm in a better place.. I wouldn't dream of harming my surgeon or the nurses that held my hand when I woke up 8hrs after surgery on a ventilator, finding out my mom had to leave me.. I would've wanted her to see me like that.. but that's no excuse to attack our healthcare workers . Before undergoing surgery we're told their could be issues or that it may not be a full success!! Pain will happen.. this man would've been informed of this especially surgery involving the back/spine.. I'm wondering just how much suffering he was going thru if he could go hunt down a gun, then return to the hospital to kill those innocent people.. the first 2months after my surgery, I was lucky to reach to 🚽 , or 🧽 bathe myself.. let alone hunt down doctors and nurses after finding a gun.. it's not the docs fault if some bad eggs ruined the pain management system, because pill heads wanted to get high or sell them . We all have to go thru pain.. and be limited on amount of pain meds we can get..
Doctors cover up their mistakes with dirt.
Back pain painkillers make u do crazy things
Love suffereth long and is kind love is not easily provoked.
And what did that have to do with me?
The mayor, city council, DA, police chief, and all city employees, should turn in their guns as an example for us all to follow.
medical mishap could caused big knife purchase for
We should be asking why this is happening not just saying it’s the guns fault
His picture ???
For anyone who is in pain and can't get what they need because of the 2016 laws.. Kratom extract really works! It also cures withdrawal as it's a natural opioid from a plant. It's a bit expensive, but legal at your local headshop in most states.
Wtf people...mad mad world.
There were around 100,300 drug overdose deaths in the US in the 12 month period ending April 30, 2021.[5] From 1999 to 2020, nearly 841,000 people died from drug overdoses,[6] with prescription and illicit opioids being responsible for more than 500,000 of those deaths, up to 2019.[7] In 2017 alone, there were 70,237 recorded drug overdose deaths, and of those deaths, 47,600 involved an opioid.[8][9] A report from December 2017 estimated 130 people every day in the United States die from an opioid-related drug overdose.[10]
Those addicted to opioids, both legal and illegal, are increasingly young, white, and female, with 1.2 million women addicted compared to 0.9 million men in 2015. The problem is significantly worse in rural areas, where social and economic variables, health behaviors, and accessibility to health care resources are responsible for a higher death rate.[11] Teen use of opioids has been noticeably increasing, using prescription drugs more than any illicit drug except cannabis; more than cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine combined.[12]
Stop lying. You don't know if this is true. Our government has been lying to us for decades. And you believe those statistics? Sad!
@@georgedapatioguy3156 that’s medical records Ctfu go sit in the patio, this is above you.
Bought the rifle just hours before
Damn that reporter is Fine!!!!!
Sad sad
At lest they know why even though they could not stop the shooter no matter his reason !...
*-What did the Smith Mundt modernization act of 2012 do?*
*-What was Operation Mockingbird?*
*-What was Operation Northwoods?*
I was wondering how long it would take for the tin foil hats to come out.
I know that pain. A Dr messed up on me. The pain is so bad.
It doesn’t justify killing people
So bad you would kill someone?
But, were doors involved?
Damn America just can’t get a break
Terrible 😔
I take Keppra, 1,000 milligrams daily, for violent epileptic seazures.
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