@@Ki11ersix in that case I'll stick to borderlands 1 or the pre-sequel. Atleast then I'll get the weapon drop rates like Borderlands 2 and 3 without losing my mind
@Evil Chameleon You gotta be kidding... gameplay is AMAZING. There's some really good weapons. Arguably more VIABLE endgame legendary items in this than on BL2
Spoiler What about the story? They will continue to push ava down our throats. Everyone stays a siren (ellie will probably a new one) unless they start all over again after 2 or find a way to ressurect maya, ill doubt they can save the story.
They called Wonderlands a massive success along with a financial success. To them this is what we want, so they'll just copy and paste Wonderlands and slap a #2 on the end. Unfortunately I don't think they'll learn anything. Wonderlands 2 will just be Woke Culture shoved into our faces x2.
One thing that would probably reduce frustration for most players is,because of the dual class system,they should Weigh class mods for your class(es) more. With the dual class system,it doubles possible classes to make mods for and it makes it that much more frustrating to farm,on top of the stat rolls AND skill rolls.
I myself was thinking they could reintroduce TVHM and let you choose a 3rd class when you get to the point when you'd normally have a second class in the first playthrough.
@Oh crap! well,here's another issue for that, that would need them to give you more levels and skill points,which is,itself,a slippery slope that would bring up issues by itself because balancing in the game is balanced on two trees. But,it also means people are also going to expect the mods to get a third variable for maximum power. I think weighing loot a particular way would be a better option. Though, TVHM would definitely be appreciated.
I agree what they should do is have 4 main classes that forcus on what kind of action skill you use Like Shield bubble Drones Invincibility And support classes is what you want to major in aka Damage Tanking Elements Movement speed
Still don't understand why they never made another season pass with actual campaign dlc's. Like BL as a series is WELL known for top tier dlc content, from Knoxx to Bounty of Blood. Wonderlands' gameplay is so fun, it just needs more than the chaos chamber
If I'm remembering right, someone at Gearbox (could've been Randy, I'm not exactly sure) said that the reception of Wonderlands was better than they thought it was gonna be, so they confirmed to be expanding on it. Wether it is with another season pass or a second game, I'm not exactly sure
For me wonderlands never failed, i love this game sooo much. The maps, the classes, the spells, the endgame, the lootluck, the bosses and sooo much more things i love Since this game came out i never played bl3, i played the game to 100% with 5 characters
Looks like you got your wish. The amount of hate this game gets is totally unjustified. Yes, it has flaws (seriously why are chaos levels not account wide?!) but it's generally a much better designed game than BL3. It also has the best theorycrafting and most build diversity out of any Borderlands game.
i wish gb would at least do one last update on the following: - increase dedicated drop rates - slightly decrease chaos chamber drop rates to adjust for dedicated rate increase - take chaos levels back down to 20 or maybe even 10 - adjust scaling and chaos rarity drop rates accordingly - the dlcs serve as takedowns but there are no proper raid bosses, so add at least three of those - make armor guaranteed to drop with at least one of the classes of a player in the game (so you wont get stabbo blight armor as a brrzerker clawbringer etc)
Dedicated drop rates were the one reason I quit tbh. Playing the chambers over and over again to get loot from the barf bunies was so tedious and boring after a while. It was fun while it lasted though
The base game of wonderlands was incredible. A little short but still super fun. Honestly my favorite after Bl2. But they just decided to absolute fuck the fan base over with the dlc and it gave the whole game a bad name
@@teomcnasty I guess the thing is it’s not borderlands so you aren’t a vault hunter to begin with, you’re just a character in a d&d style board game so tvhm would be out of place in this circumstance
I went back to WL a few weeks ago to update my old build for Blightcaller/C100 and while I enjoyed it my biggest takeaway from the whole experience was that I wish my favorite guns from that game were in BL3
As far as being mechanically sound, this game is peak Borderlands action. I wish farming would be more approachable but honestly the overall looting expiernce is still good enough to never really feel without proper gear
Every Borderlands installment has good and bad qualities, so i feel like gearbox can make a great game if they just analyze what makes each one great, and what each game did wrong, and borderlands 4 can be really strong
The issue is they're dead set on making the whole 'post game levelling system that just raises numbers on loot' thing work, even though it's the worst part of the game every time.
They need to reduce so much inventory management. It really incredibly tedious to spend 10 minutes at the end of every run waiting for everyone else to finish spending their crystals and sorting through loot to try and figure out what's actually an upgrade. Also the math in the game seemed jacked. I'd sometimes have a green spell that was inexplicably OP that would melt everything for like 40 levels, then find purples and legendaries with completely better stats and they wouldn't do shit. It felt like they had some bugs in the math in the background because some items were just super OP and it was hard to tell why just looking at the raw stats. Some items with similar stats would feel wildly different from each other.
yep they need to use the best things from all 3 games, then add new idea's as long as it isn't game breaking stuff that makes the game worse or boring, there is nothing wrong with trail and error if you have a good foundation.
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands is a great experience if you can pick it up on sale. It's not worth the $60 price, as it feels more like a $30-$40 game. If it had actual replayability or a better post-game, it would be much better. The base gameplay is great, it's just too short of a main game unless you go all-out on 100%ing each area.
I’ve recently got back into playing wonderlands. It has so much potential but I’m at chaos 85 and at this point want to target farm certain items for my build which doesn’t exist in this game.
This is true but at the same time why. I understand why people like target farming but at the same I find target farming to be ridiculous with how many parts that in the game that it still would not be better.
@@TheBlakamon15 Because if I can go to one enemy who has the drop in their loot pool it's better than running a 10 to 20 minute chamber run and HOPING the Barf Bunnies drop the item you want.
I really enjoy Tiny Tina's in small bursts and for what it is. I completely agree with others that gear farming is always a bit too flexible with the number of variations to feel like you are meaningfully progressing towards your build etc.!
My ideal Borderlands game formula would be Borderlands 2/3 loot system, Wonderlands level story quality and entertainment value (because nothing is going to top Handsome Jack in my book), and Borderlands 1 item balancing. What I mean by that is that I don't want to rely on having all the best gear to do work in stuff like raid bossing or takedowns, like how a Double Anarchy can carry you for at least like 5 levels until you get another one. Borderlands 2, 3 and Wonderlands also gave me the feeling that if I wasn't constantly healing or negating damage some other way I was going to die instantly, in Borderlands 1 you had way more survivability if you didn't kill everything within the 1st 5 seconds of encountering a group of enemies.
I realize this is a year too late, but as someone who didn't care for the game on release, I just recently tried getting back into it. I'm really enjoying the game now. I think looking at the game as a spinoff instead of a true Borderlands game has really helped my perspective on it. The DLCs are very disappointing, especially for their price. If they were cheaper, I think they would've been received better. The story is fantastic, and the gameplay is my favorite so far. I understand the criticism behind the chaos chambers, but as someone who enjoys the grind. I actually enjoy them. Pushing the higher levels and testing the limits of the builds I can come up with is so sastisfying. It feels like a natural progression to push players to find min maxes for their build and help them understand the deeper mechanics behind their class. When I first started playing the Borderlands series, I never really thought too much about what skills I speced into and how it would affect my play. Wonderlands helped me push past that kind of casual mindset of the games and has reignited my love for the series yet again. (Although I never really lost it and always found myself going back to the older games just for the experience and for some of the fun and satisfying farms for good drops.)
I've been playing Wonderlands solidly for a few weeks now (Dec '23 Jan '24) and thoroughly enjoyed it. Really looking forward to BL4 too. I just hope they focus more on the writing this time
I really want to love Wonderlands. I adore its theme, it has some really, really fun guns and spells and combining two classes together is really fun and the game is in my opinion way more gorgeous than any other Borderlands game. But like you said in the video, farming is one of the biggest reasons why I cannot bring myself to like it as much as I want to. I also do not find it as funny as the original Tiny Tina DLC in BL2, most of the jokes are pretty big misses for me. Thanks for playing the game to help me alleviate the itch to boot the game, play it for an hour and then close it for six months!
The dropchance in borderlands for the sham for example was only 3,3% while it was 0,3% to drop the best version of it. In general the drop chanced for the best items per slot is way higher in wonderlands.
I think what Wonderlands needs is more content and better loot RNG, with that maybe the game will be saved, and just when Borderlands 4 comes up, they need to learn from their big mistakes
Better loot rng? For dedicated drops maybe but I can litterly do one chaos run and get a lot of gear pretty easy since there is not that many legendary weapons in the loot pool. The problem is different parts and armor being difficult to get. They need to solve that problem first before they mess with loot rng as a whole.
Is it weird that I've had a lot of fun just enjoying... random legendary drops? I know most people like to turn their brain off in BL now, run the same boring route to get their one specific item for 'muh build' and because the endgame balance is probably still borked as heck, that IS the only legitimate way to play that stuff. But like. I honestly liked it way more when in BL1 I could just have reasonable legendary drops, not know what I would get, and actually being able to WORK with more than the few select quirky interactions my weird build turns into infinite damage potential. I know this is probably very cynical, and I'm pretty much the only person in the world who's tired of "target farm legendary from same 2 minute loop" but well. I'd enjoy it back to random but workable.
I've recently gone deep into BL3 with my daughter on PS5, been super fun. Daughter is not digging the grind of end game, so I picked up Tiny Tina's as I just can't with BL/BL2 lol We are only around lvl 12ish, and I'm not really sold on it. I don't know, the gun play feels very awarded, I'm hoping once we get higher level it will feel better. Also trying to play this game coop on PS5 is a freaking nightmare. How in the world did the screw up the UI so badly for split screen.
one year in... it was a bit rough. 2 years in it was god tier. Took Time. HOWEVER... remember it took THREE YEARS for BL2 to fix their drop rates (used to be 3% for dedicated drops at launch)
@Ki11er Six Yeah, you're right K6, but it feels like this game has been abandoned since September. I don't think we'll get quality of life updates like that in Wonderlands
I feel like when people play this game they don’t look at it as it’s own game can’t play a diff game and expect it to be the same as the last just enjoy it for what it is
The only thing holding this game back, in my opinion, is the insane amount of farming required for specific items, making world drops the only real viable way to get what you're looking for.. oh and the "DLCs"
So my best guess, is borderlands 4 is a create your own vault hunter game. It's time for the war that was promised. You give players like 9 classes, and let plays pick three to have skill trees in. Genius
I farmed the x3 ice shotgun frommm the one pirate boss, ended up getting it, found a video that said in that setup its like 0.00000016% drop, ain nobody got time for that
Gotta be honest. I think BL needs a reroll system for everything not just anoits. And I feel the best way to do that is to make it cost other variations of the item. Wanna reroll the prefix of your victory rush? Lose another victory rush for it. The skills on you seein dead aren’t to your liking? Use another one to reroll. That way it keeps the farm true. So to get a perfect item you still need to farm that item. That way it feels like progress whenever you get it. And farming for gear feels doable. Also read only farming (or something similar) and resetting farms without loosing your coop partners needs to be a thing built into the game. Other than that I‘m pretty happy with BL3 for the most part. And even wonderlands (besides the dlc). Though I dislike the dependency on lootluck for dedicated. For worlddrops it’s fine I think.
Yeah, I think it was the BL2Fix mod that gave the option to reroll mission rewards for Eridium. I like that idea. I'm fine with hunting Legendary items as is and not rerolling those... as long as the balancing stays good like in BL3 and Wonderlands, that way you don't HAVE to have perfect parts.
@@Ki11ersix i don‘t know. Feels kinda unfinished. A bit of a perfectionist in that regard. Also depends on the item. Been trying to get myself a decend elem projector white elephant. Looking at the 0.057% dropchance as dedicated (without looking at passives) made me lose motivation. It doesn‘t feel like progress, it feels like hitting your head against a wall.
The thing Bl3 got right to make me want to replay is thr class mods. I've decided to make a character for each class mod ans honestly making a barrier build for the cold warrior is amazingly fun
This video is more about Killer Six grinding and farming a particular weapon than what the title suggests, I'm considering trying Wonderlands again at some point because I've played all the Borderlands games so far and because there is no Borderlands 4 yet its probably the only other option is to play this again
Not even dlcs, theyre "PLC"s now. And remember, this whole game was based on TTAoDK, a fantastic DLC. What a total step back from that masterpiece to this cashgrab
Until they add story dlc expansions, raid bosses with dedicated drops, Ng+ and endgame then there’s no point in even playing while BL1/2/3/PreSequel exist
I platinumed this game already on PSN, I ain’t ever touching it again. BL2 and BL3 just brought more content wise. Wonderlands just brought a wet fart.
With the complete lack of content they dropped on wonderlands it just makes me wish all that time was put into more borderlands 3 content wonderlands isn’t a bad game at all but I dropped it as fast a pre sequel because there’s just not much to do once you beat the game and I’m not willing to go chaos 100 with all 10 of my characters
About the drop: not to mention a lot of gears don't have a dedicated source, so if you have an idea of a build, when you finally randomly get the gears you need, you are so sick of the game you just want to quit.
I did like the game. Its was fresh and new. The part I didn't like was the forced dungeon things. And the lack of good dlc. And the chaos chamber. I prefer either mayhem mode or op mode.
I'm still disappointed that you don't get two action skills. The trailer said dual class :s Also a big lack of actual skills that are not + X % on stat Y.
i genuinely think they need to shed some of the old borderlands stuff. keep its theme/look the same but the humor and mechanics need to change. also the writing... its so bad.
You want a complete tonal change in the story? Borderlands is childish humor, over the top action, guns guns guns and crazy action skills. NPCs are crazy because it’s a crazy universe this game exists in.
I´m still considering buying this game, right now on Steam the sale is 50%, I think I´ll wait when the sale reachs 65% and lets pray for Gearbox give us another 10lv for endgame, I mean lv40? really? That´s sad, few options on skill tree 😥
Now with everything released is this game worth getting? It's on sale for super cheap (10 Pounds for the chaotic great edition) and wanted to know if it's worth getting.
@@Ki11ersixBought the game pretty much as soon as you said it was worth it, can say I’ve had more fun so far in this game then the entirety of BL3 (probably a hot take) but the style, the weapons and the story just feel better in my opinion. Thank you for the recommendation, this game’s relit my love for the franchise!
The community is not to blame for VERY short, repetitive DLCs and Endgame being just chaos chambers. The community also isn't to blame for Named enemies not respawing on their maps and for dedicated drops being abysmal.
@@Ki11ersix Then why asre you saying it isnt bad when you clearly still hate it? The entire game has a whole is better then bl2 and i will die on this hill. Choas chambers is more fun then any end game bl2 had
@@Ki11ersix say it with me: Wonderlands isn’t Borderlands. It’s an $80 pet project spin-off piggybacking on the lukewarm success of 3 and the highly acclaimed DLC of 2. It’s a little less than a year old. The community can eat itself alive for all I care. Wonderlands is fun as hell.
No, the issue was the endgame. Instead of adding new endgame content, geatbox decided to add more boring grinding. Chaos 20 was perfect, chaos 35 is eh, and chaos 50 is just a bore
Hey K6 I bought the deluxe edition of Wonderlands when it launched but when I went to do a new play through I didn’t have any of the new classes. Was there another DLC that isn’t part of the season pass? Or am I missing something?
It feels as though they gave heart and effort at first but after they got their money they didn't give a rats ass anymore. Like most productions lately. It feels like a lot of mistakes they have made could be quickly fixed. Maybe they could give out some free content (like how bl3 did) or add a fantastic dlc that goes with the first pass. Ik free stuff is impossible but we should be given something even more so for the people who bought the 100 dollar version (my poor dad)
The only thing i find annoying is this game is when my companions dont do nothing im a spore warden/clawbringer and my whole setup involves needing my companions to do something which isnt good when my wyvern glitches in the sky and also the fact u gotta buy the dlcs like 🗿
Just picked this up today for 17.99 for the ultimate edition..so far having a good time only made it to level 13 today . But needed a break from BL3. I went back to 2 for a while .. but wanted to try this, and for the price, it's pretty good . I think endgame will be fun ..
Picked it up half-off last week, been enjoying it so far. Not too concerned about the endgame being meh, after four years of Destiny 2 I'm pretty burned out on endgame grind anyway.... Not too confident in the future of the Borderlands series with the Embracer group owning Gearbox now. Guessing the monetization to actual content ratio is only going to get worse.
This was a great 20-30hr main story game, but that's the extent of it. The menu's look like they're a long lost BL1 alpha, and the Luck stat just doesn't gel with BL eng-game loot grind. 6/10 Waiting on Bl4 +18mo when the bugs are fixed and weapons are balanced, lol
I mean the honesty in the beginning was refreshing...... At least admitting to the crazy helps... Thanks for the Vod K6!! I enjoyed playing through this game but the DLC's and the Endgame like people have been saying are super lacking, it could have been SO GOOD.
Is the game any good now or should I keep it deleted for a little bit longer?
Depends on what you want from these games. Story and playthrough is great. Endgame is lacking. Farming is pain. DLCs are meh
@@Ki11ersix in that case I'll stick to borderlands 1 or the pre-sequel. Atleast then I'll get the weapon drop rates like Borderlands 2 and 3 without losing my mind
Possibly a video on this build Mr 6?
@@bignath250688 you don’t like borderlands 2 and 3 ? You prefer 1 and the pre sequel ?
@Evil Chameleon You gotta be kidding... gameplay is AMAZING. There's some really good weapons. Arguably more VIABLE endgame legendary items in this than on BL2
At least Wonderlands is a good reminder to make a great Borderlands 4 to learn from it's mistakes... Right Gearbox?
Dude I would kill those expectations immediately modern gaming is basically a scam for broken releases
Probably won't happen under the new ownership.
Spoiler
What about the story? They will continue to push ava down our throats. Everyone stays a siren (ellie will probably a new one) unless they start all over again after 2 or find a way to ressurect maya, ill doubt they can save the story.
They called Wonderlands a massive success along with a financial success. To them this is what we want, so they'll just copy and paste Wonderlands and slap a #2 on the end. Unfortunately I don't think they'll learn anything.
Wonderlands 2 will just be Woke Culture shoved into our faces x2.
@@Ave_Echidna there's no "new ownership"
One thing that would probably reduce frustration for most players is,because of the dual class system,they should Weigh class mods for your class(es) more. With the dual class system,it doubles possible classes to make mods for and it makes it that much more frustrating to farm,on top of the stat rolls AND skill rolls.
I myself was thinking they could reintroduce TVHM and let you choose a 3rd class when you get to the point when you'd normally have a second class in the first playthrough.
@Oh crap! well,here's another issue for that, that would need them to give you more levels and skill points,which is,itself,a slippery slope that would bring up issues by itself because balancing in the game is balanced on two trees. But,it also means people are also going to expect the mods to get a third variable for maximum power. I think weighing loot a particular way would be a better option. Though, TVHM would definitely be appreciated.
I agree what they should do is have 4 main classes that forcus on what kind of action skill you use
Like
Shield bubble
Drones
Invincibility
And support classes is what you want to major in aka
Damage
Tanking
Elements
Movement speed
Still don't understand why they never made another season pass with actual campaign dlc's. Like BL as a series is WELL known for top tier dlc content, from Knoxx to Bounty of Blood. Wonderlands' gameplay is so fun, it just needs more than the chaos chamber
Exactly that’s weird if they woudl have added a story season pass and fix the endgame the game could have been top tier
If I'm remembering right, someone at Gearbox (could've been Randy, I'm not exactly sure) said that the reception of Wonderlands was better than they thought it was gonna be, so they confirmed to be expanding on it. Wether it is with another season pass or a second game, I'm not exactly sure
For me wonderlands never failed, i love this game sooo much.
The maps, the classes, the spells, the endgame, the lootluck, the bosses and sooo much more things i love
Since this game came out i never played bl3, i played the game to 100% with 5 characters
Best game in the series after BL2, imo. I also love BL1 still but that game had to walk so BL2 could run.
I know a lot of people seem to not like Wonderlands, but I really hope they make a sequel that improves this style, because I really like this game
I really don't understand the "this one particular item isn't dropping so this is a bad game" mentality.
Looks like you got your wish.
The amount of hate this game gets is totally unjustified. Yes, it has flaws (seriously why are chaos levels not account wide?!) but it's generally a much better designed game than BL3. It also has the best theorycrafting and most build diversity out of any Borderlands game.
i wish gb would at least do one last update on the following:
- increase dedicated drop rates
- slightly decrease chaos chamber drop rates to adjust for dedicated rate increase
- take chaos levels back down to 20 or maybe even 10
- adjust scaling and chaos rarity drop rates accordingly
- the dlcs serve as takedowns but there are no proper raid bosses, so add at least three of those
- make armor guaranteed to drop with at least one of the classes of a player in the game (so you wont get stabbo blight armor as a brrzerker clawbringer etc)
Dedicated drop rates were the one reason I quit tbh. Playing the chambers over and over again to get loot from the barf bunies was so tedious and boring after a while. It was fun while it lasted though
This game is PreSequel V2
Worth playing every once in a while...
The base game of wonderlands was incredible. A little short but still super fun. Honestly my favorite after Bl2. But they just decided to absolute fuck the fan base over with the dlc and it gave the whole game a bad name
Agreed I enjoyed it until I realized what endgame was and I gave up..
I will never understand why there is no TVHM. Like it's actually, unironically incomprehensible. Please tell me they added it, after a year.
@@teomcnasty I wish I could dude
@@teomcnasty I guess the thing is it’s not borderlands so you aren’t a vault hunter to begin with, you’re just a character in a d&d style board game so tvhm would be out of place in this circumstance
dlc are for dum kid ! always
I went back to WL a few weeks ago to update my old build for Blightcaller/C100 and while I enjoyed it my biggest takeaway from the whole experience was that I wish my favorite guns from that game were in BL3
I just made a Blightcaller. What build you playing with?
I think wonderlands should have been a DLC for BL3, adding 1 new raid boss and the chamber to level 20 that would have been a great DLC
As far as being mechanically sound, this game is peak Borderlands action. I wish farming would be more approachable but honestly the overall looting expiernce is still good enough to never really feel without proper gear
Every Borderlands installment has good and bad qualities, so i feel like gearbox can make a great game if they just analyze what makes each one great, and what each game did wrong, and borderlands 4 can be really strong
The issue is they're dead set on making the whole 'post game levelling system that just raises numbers on loot' thing work, even though it's the worst part of the game every time.
@@mimictear6788 right
They need to reduce so much inventory management. It really incredibly tedious to spend 10 minutes at the end of every run waiting for everyone else to finish spending their crystals and sorting through loot to try and figure out what's actually an upgrade.
Also the math in the game seemed jacked. I'd sometimes have a green spell that was inexplicably OP that would melt everything for like 40 levels, then find purples and legendaries with completely better stats and they wouldn't do shit. It felt like they had some bugs in the math in the background because some items were just super OP and it was hard to tell why just looking at the raw stats. Some items with similar stats would feel wildly different from each other.
@@mimictear6788What would you like to see as endgame content then?
Just endless campaigns?
yep they need to use the best things from all 3 games, then add new idea's as long as it isn't game breaking stuff that makes the game worse or boring, there is nothing wrong with trail and error if you have a good foundation.
Tiny Tina's Wonderlands is a great experience if you can pick it up on sale. It's not worth the $60 price, as it feels more like a $30-$40 game. If it had actual replayability or a better post-game, it would be much better. The base gameplay is great, it's just too short of a main game unless you go all-out on 100%ing each area.
I got it for $18
@@PeachiiWubsnice I got it pre order for 90$💀
It’s fun but endgame is boring unlike bl3, pre, or bl2
even 100% is only 40 to 45 hour's max, BL3 takes around 75 hours to 100%, and BL2 took about 120 Hours to 100% the game.
I’ve recently got back into playing wonderlands. It has so much potential but I’m at chaos 85 and at this point want to target farm certain items for my build which doesn’t exist in this game.
This is true but at the same time why. I understand why people like target farming but at the same I find target farming to be ridiculous with how many parts that in the game that it still would not be better.
@@TheBlakamon15 Because if I can go to one enemy who has the drop in their loot pool it's better than running a 10 to 20 minute chamber run and HOPING the Barf Bunnies drop the item you want.
@@TheBlakamon15 Dedicated loot drops are 1000x better than pulling a slot machine handle 2 or 3 times every 20 minutes.
I really enjoy Tiny Tina's in small bursts and for what it is. I completely agree with others that gear farming is always a bit too flexible with the number of variations to feel like you are meaningfully progressing towards your build etc.!
My ideal Borderlands game formula would be Borderlands 2/3 loot system, Wonderlands level story quality and entertainment value (because nothing is going to top Handsome Jack in my book), and Borderlands 1 item balancing. What I mean by that is that I don't want to rely on having all the best gear to do work in stuff like raid bossing or takedowns, like how a Double Anarchy can carry you for at least like 5 levels until you get another one. Borderlands 2, 3 and Wonderlands also gave me the feeling that if I wasn't constantly healing or negating damage some other way I was going to die instantly, in Borderlands 1 you had way more survivability if you didn't kill everything within the 1st 5 seconds of encountering a group of enemies.
Wonderlands is pre-sequel all over again
I realize this is a year too late, but as someone who didn't care for the game on release, I just recently tried getting back into it. I'm really enjoying the game now. I think looking at the game as a spinoff instead of a true Borderlands game has really helped my perspective on it. The DLCs are very disappointing, especially for their price. If they were cheaper, I think they would've been received better. The story is fantastic, and the gameplay is my favorite so far. I understand the criticism behind the chaos chambers, but as someone who enjoys the grind. I actually enjoy them. Pushing the higher levels and testing the limits of the builds I can come up with is so sastisfying. It feels like a natural progression to push players to find min maxes for their build and help them understand the deeper mechanics behind their class. When I first started playing the Borderlands series, I never really thought too much about what skills I speced into and how it would affect my play. Wonderlands helped me push past that kind of casual mindset of the games and has reignited my love for the series yet again. (Although I never really lost it and always found myself going back to the older games just for the experience and for some of the fun and satisfying farms for good drops.)
I've been playing Wonderlands solidly for a few weeks now (Dec '23 Jan '24) and thoroughly enjoyed it. Really looking forward to BL4 too. I just hope they focus more on the writing this time
Same dude. Same.
I really want to love Wonderlands. I adore its theme, it has some really, really fun guns and spells and combining two classes together is really fun and the game is in my opinion way more gorgeous than any other Borderlands game. But like you said in the video, farming is one of the biggest reasons why I cannot bring myself to like it as much as I want to. I also do not find it as funny as the original Tiny Tina DLC in BL2, most of the jokes are pretty big misses for me. Thanks for playing the game to help me alleviate the itch to boot the game, play it for an hour and then close it for six months!
I liked TTW. It lacked in end game, certainly.
But in regards to dude, get your toon to 100. You'll have more than enough gear to scratch your itch!
The dropchance in borderlands for the sham for example was only 3,3% while it was 0,3% to drop the best version of it. In general the drop chanced for the best items per slot is way higher in wonderlands.
Still cannot believe this game doesn’t have a new game plus
I think what Wonderlands needs is more content and better loot RNG, with that maybe the game will be saved, and just when Borderlands 4 comes up, they need to learn from their big mistakes
Better loot rng? For dedicated drops maybe but I can litterly do one chaos run and get a lot of gear pretty easy since there is not that many legendary weapons in the loot pool. The problem is different parts and armor being difficult to get. They need to solve that problem first before they mess with loot rng as a whole.
Is it weird that I've had a lot of fun just enjoying... random legendary drops? I know most people like to turn their brain off in BL now, run the same boring route to get their one specific item for 'muh build' and because the endgame balance is probably still borked as heck, that IS the only legitimate way to play that stuff.
But like. I honestly liked it way more when in BL1 I could just have reasonable legendary drops, not know what I would get, and actually being able to WORK with more than the few select quirky interactions my weird build turns into infinite damage potential. I know this is probably very cynical, and I'm pretty much the only person in the world who's tired of "target farm legendary from same 2 minute loop" but well. I'd enjoy it back to random but workable.
K6, I just wanted to tell you that I got a world drop Linoge when playing Borderlands 3 today. That's all.
I've recently gone deep into BL3 with my daughter on PS5, been super fun. Daughter is not digging the grind of end game, so I picked up Tiny Tina's as I just can't with BL/BL2 lol We are only around lvl 12ish, and I'm not really sold on it. I don't know, the gun play feels very awarded, I'm hoping once we get higher level it will feel better. Also trying to play this game coop on PS5 is a freaking nightmare. How in the world did the screw up the UI so badly for split screen.
Yeah I’ve heard split screen is terrible. Sorry
Were the drop rates in Tiny Tina's a direct result of all the complaints that drop rates were too good in BL3?
That's probably why they implemented loot luck as well.
I would guess so, but they went about it all wrong.
@@Ki11ersix I agree, Tina's was still really fun tho and I cant wait till BL4.
I REALLY hope to the gods and R&NGebus that they DON'T put loot luck in Borderlands 4.
got this a week ago and im having fun, i just kept in mind that this isnt borderlands
Remember BL3 was still thriving at this point in its life
one year in... it was a bit rough. 2 years in it was god tier. Took Time. HOWEVER... remember it took THREE YEARS for BL2 to fix their drop rates (used to be 3% for dedicated drops at launch)
@Ki11er Six Yeah, you're right K6, but it feels like this game has been abandoned since September. I don't think we'll get quality of life updates like that in Wonderlands
1% dosent change much about the loot
I feel like when people play this game they don’t look at it as it’s own game can’t play a diff game and expect it to be the same as the last just enjoy it for what it is
Ill never understand why gearbox gave up on this game so fast. Like for real 4 months after launch and they moved on..
Big same
I think the writing is some of the best of all time in wonderlands
The only thing holding this game back, in my opinion, is the insane amount of farming required for specific items, making world drops the only real viable way to get what you're looking for.. oh and the "DLCs"
Well the best farming spot in my eyes are the chaos chambers. massive loot in the end and my bladecaller just walks through chaos 100 runs.
So my best guess, is borderlands 4 is a create your own vault hunter game. It's time for the war that was promised. You give players like 9 classes, and let plays pick three to have skill trees in. Genius
I farmed the x3 ice shotgun frommm the one pirate boss, ended up getting it, found a video that said in that setup its like 0.00000016% drop, ain nobody got time for that
Bought it a few days ago. No regrets so far. Enjoying everything. I just hope I can find an unkempt sir Harold If there is one. No spoilers please 😊
I absolutely love the blightcaller class, I have a chaos 100 build and can nuke every boss.
Gotta be honest. I think BL needs a reroll system for everything not just anoits. And I feel the best way to do that is to make it cost other variations of the item.
Wanna reroll the prefix of your victory rush? Lose another victory rush for it. The skills on you seein dead aren’t to your liking? Use another one to reroll. That way it keeps the farm true. So to get a perfect item you still need to farm that item. That way it feels like progress whenever you get it. And farming for gear feels doable.
Also read only farming (or something similar) and resetting farms without loosing your coop partners needs to be a thing built into the game. Other than that I‘m pretty happy with BL3 for the most part. And even wonderlands (besides the dlc). Though I dislike the dependency on lootluck for dedicated. For worlddrops it’s fine I think.
Yeah, I think it was the BL2Fix mod that gave the option to reroll mission rewards for Eridium. I like that idea. I'm fine with hunting Legendary items as is and not rerolling those... as long as the balancing stays good like in BL3 and Wonderlands, that way you don't HAVE to have perfect parts.
@@Ki11ersix i don‘t know. Feels kinda unfinished. A bit of a perfectionist in that regard. Also depends on the item. Been trying to get myself a decend elem projector white elephant. Looking at the 0.057% dropchance as dedicated (without looking at passives) made me lose motivation. It doesn‘t feel like progress, it feels like hitting your head against a wall.
You are succumbing to madness with each video
shadowfire is mvp of this episode
The thing Bl3 got right to make me want to replay is thr class mods. I've decided to make a character for each class mod ans honestly making a barrier build for the cold warrior is amazingly fun
This video is more about Killer Six grinding and farming a particular weapon than what the title suggests, I'm considering trying Wonderlands again at some point because I've played all the Borderlands games so far and because there is no Borderlands 4 yet its probably the only other option is to play this again
Wonderlands is worth playing, beating and 100%-ing.
The DLCS are disgusting, when they released that is when I quit.
DLC 3 is great. DLC 4 has the Blightcaller which is awesome. But otherwise full agreement from me.
Not even dlcs, theyre "PLC"s now. And remember, this whole game was based on TTAoDK, a fantastic DLC. What a total step back from that masterpiece to this cashgrab
Until they add story dlc expansions, raid bosses with dedicated drops, Ng+ and endgame then there’s no point in even playing while BL1/2/3/PreSequel exist
I platinumed this game already on PSN, I ain’t ever touching it again. BL2 and BL3 just brought more content wise. Wonderlands just brought a wet fart.
so you said "throw stuff until they die"?
I hope to learn these builds and get as far as this guy. The damage on those chaos bosses are flat out insane after seeing you killem in seconds.
With the complete lack of content they dropped on wonderlands it just makes me wish all that time was put into more borderlands 3 content wonderlands isn’t a bad game at all but I dropped it as fast a pre sequel because there’s just not much to do once you beat the game and I’m not willing to go chaos 100 with all 10 of my characters
Disagree.
Great base game. Sub par support after release. But I love the leveling up new characters and playing the story.
The hatred in his voice playing this game Lmao the passive aggressive I can feel it
The loot problems is what happens when everyone bitches about the loot in bl3. The loot drops were PERFECT in bl3
About the drop: not to mention a lot of gears don't have a dedicated source, so if you have an idea of a build, when you finally randomly get the gears you need, you are so sick of the game you just want to quit.
im on the fence with how drop rates are. i felt spoiled with borderlands 3 rates. these drop rates make it feel good to finally get it
Invisible sucking you say?
Listen…
I did like the game. Its was fresh and new. The part I didn't like was the forced dungeon things. And the lack of good dlc. And the chaos chamber. I prefer either mayhem mode or op mode.
I feel like this game could have been so much better
So how much endgame/viable weapons and builds are there? Base game anyways (I know there's chaos chambers)
Endgame viable about 10 or so. So… technically more than BL2
@@Ki11ersix I'll stick to bl3 till this is like 10 bucks then lol
Thank you k6 😊
I'm still disappointed that you don't get two action skills. The trailer said dual class :s
Also a big lack of actual skills that are not + X % on stat Y.
Do you need a dlcs to have two skill trees or is it just progression in the main story?
Progression of story
Love the blaster w the vivid explosive colorful scenes, this viedo was a blast,with once again helpful guide and tips
I know im kind of late but what class is the character you are using in the video
I don’t care about drop rate. I just care about dedicated drops and something to actually do other chambers/mirrors which are just more chambers
i genuinely think they need to shed some of the old borderlands stuff. keep its theme/look the same but the humor and mechanics need to change. also the writing... its so bad.
You want a complete tonal change in the story? Borderlands is childish humor, over the top action, guns guns guns and crazy action skills. NPCs are crazy because it’s a crazy universe this game exists in.
I´m still considering buying this game, right now on Steam the sale is 50%, I think I´ll wait when the sale reachs 65% and lets pray for Gearbox give us another 10lv for endgame, I mean lv40? really? That´s sad, few options on skill tree 😥
If you can find it cheap it's worth the buy. Not a bad game. I just had to get used to the spells and how the gear correlation with each character
What build do you have?
I show it in the final episode of this batch of videos on Wonderlands
I think wonderlands' story is the best of all gearbox games
Agreed
If you get to fight plc2 boss in difficulty 3 and 4, you can unlock the miasmic mail for even more elemental damage and status chance?
Now with everything released is this game worth getting? It's on sale for super cheap (10 Pounds for the chaotic great edition) and wanted to know if it's worth getting.
It's worth a playthrough, but it lacks endgame and DLC content.
@@Ki11ersixBought the game pretty much as soon as you said it was worth it, can say I’ve had more fun so far in this game then the entirety of BL3 (probably a hot take) but the style, the weapons and the story just feel better in my opinion. Thank you for the recommendation, this game’s relit my love for the franchise!
Wonderlands was never bad, the issue was the comminity.
I agree. The hairsplitting is unnecessary.
The community is not to blame for VERY short, repetitive DLCs and Endgame being just chaos chambers. The community also isn't to blame for Named enemies not respawing on their maps and for dedicated drops being abysmal.
@@Ki11ersix Then why asre you saying it isnt bad when you clearly still hate it? The entire game has a whole is better then bl2 and i will die on this hill. Choas chambers is more fun then any end game bl2 had
@@Ki11ersix say it with me: Wonderlands isn’t Borderlands. It’s an $80 pet project spin-off piggybacking on the lukewarm success of 3 and the highly acclaimed DLC of 2. It’s a little less than a year old. The community can eat itself alive for all I care. Wonderlands is fun as hell.
No, the issue was the endgame. Instead of adding new endgame content, geatbox decided to add more boring grinding. Chaos 20 was perfect, chaos 35 is eh, and chaos 50 is just a bore
Do you still have to grind through every chaos level, or does it go up by 5? I don't know that stuff because end game was just a pain
Goes by 5 up to 50 then 1 level at a time after that.
@@Ki11ersix thats good to know, makes early chaos levels somewhat bearable then
Are we going to get a build video? Please?!
Hey K6. Any chance you will do some Manufacturer playthroughs of TTWL? I am currently toing a Stoker Stabb/Spore
Maybe. I dunno. I have no desire to do 60 Chaos Chamber runs to hit max level
@@Ki11ersix Still tons of opportunity for humorous content
Hey K6 I bought the deluxe edition of Wonderlands when it launched but when I went to do a new play through I didn’t have any of the new classes. Was there another DLC that isn’t part of the season pass? Or am I missing something?
4th DLC has the Blightcaller class.
It feels as though they gave heart and effort at first but after they got their money they didn't give a rats ass anymore. Like most productions lately. It feels like a lot of mistakes they have made could be quickly fixed. Maybe they could give out some free content (like how bl3 did) or add a fantastic dlc that goes with the first pass. Ik free stuff is impossible but we should be given something even more so for the people who bought the 100 dollar version (my poor dad)
The only thing i find annoying is this game is when my companions dont do nothing im a spore warden/clawbringer and my whole setup involves needing my companions to do something which isnt good when my wyvern glitches in the sky and also the fact u gotta buy the dlcs like 🗿
Tiny Tina, is a great game! Loads of fun, this is my second time playing, went back to it after 12 months and love it!!
Just picked this up today for 17.99 for the ultimate edition..so far having a good time only made it to level 13 today . But needed a break from BL3. I went back to 2 for a while .. but wanted to try this, and for the price, it's pretty good . I think endgame will be fun ..
I'm glad I never purchased this game. It's rare I get to avoid buyers' remorse
What’s the name of the song you used in the beginning?
Captain Haunts theme from BL3
Picked it up half-off last week, been enjoying it so far. Not too concerned about the endgame being meh, after four years of Destiny 2 I'm pretty burned out on endgame grind anyway.... Not too confident in the future of the Borderlands series with the Embracer group owning Gearbox now. Guessing the monetization to actual content ratio is only going to get worse.
This was a great 20-30hr main story game, but that's the extent of it. The menu's look like they're a long lost BL1 alpha, and the Luck stat just doesn't gel with BL eng-game loot grind. 6/10
Waiting on Bl4 +18mo when the bugs are fixed and weapons are balanced, lol
If I bought it at release but never really played it should I install and play with my Gf is it worth?
It’s absolutely worth playing through. Just the DLCs aren’t very good
@@Ki11ersix okay thanks
What is the build for your character
I show off the final skill tree and hero points in todays video
With the terrible ui continuing from bl3 into wonderlands and lack of support i dont know how hype I am for bl4.
What's wrong with the ui?
@@rejd24 it's brutal on mouse and keyboard
@Ki11er Six Ok yeah I can see where he is coming from now. I do believe for console it's good.
Your viedos r always great and never bad, love the vivid colorful explɔding scenes with what looks like laser lights, another overall awesome viedo
“Massive step back” but he compares it to one of the most broken farms across all borderlands games.
How is Savage Lee a broken farm? 10% drop rate
@@Ki11ersix ikr took me about an hour and a half just to get an unkempt harold on one of my runs
He compared it to Savage Lee.... not a perfect Grounded Hide farm
@@captainspaulding5963 savage lee drops the harold tho ?>
He was making a joke
What would be the drop rate if you have 0 in lootluck?
0 drop rates don’t even start till you have nearly 4K
@@modernyin6275I don’t understand what that means.
Ribula can TECHNICALLY drop one of his drops on your first run, but the ods are probably like 1 or 2%
It was never a bad game just lacks replayability and the dlc are trash
Exactly
Don't think of it as a Borderlands game and its fantastic.
Fair.
Isnt Max chaos rank 100 now?
Yep
I mean the honesty in the beginning was refreshing...... At least admitting to the crazy helps... Thanks for the Vod K6!! I enjoyed playing through this game but the DLC's and the Endgame like people have been saying are super lacking, it could have been SO GOOD.
what type of anti aliasing do you use K6?
Temporal I think?
I've bought this game recently and I love it game wise but there just isn't enough new loot for me. But I love the game
Currently enjoying this game, but yeah, loot drop rate is terrible.
Wonderlands Pros and Cons
Pros: Gameplay, Story, Sidequests, Overworld, Skills, Weapons and Spells, Locations
Cons: DLCs, the WORST in any BL game
should i play wonderlands again ? i never beat it , i got to the part where the water like disappears i guess
I think the base game is absolutely great for a playthrough, but the endgame and DLCs are lacking.
@@Ki11ersix okay i’ll give it another shot