Thank you for this timely reminder of the close relationship our two countries have always had. Canadians don't always agree with our big tough cousins, but when the chips are down, Canadians will always have American's backs.
As an American, I have a new appreciation of the complexities between allies and interestingly neighbors during times of war. Great show Tim and Woody! Thanks!
Having read Tim Cook's "The Fight for History", I expected this show to also be excellent, and it was. The primary message that comes through to me from both of these books, is that if Canadians don't want to be marginal or non-existent in the telling of World War 2 history, then we have to do a much better job of telling our own story. The trend in universities is troubling, but perhaps that will be reversed once they realize Canadian Military History is a subject that the young generation have a strong interest in. Interestingly, I was contacted last week by the grandson of a vet, interested in learning more about his grandfather's service based on the work that I have done. There is hope.
Just watching on catch up Tims presentation, it was brilliant so much I have learnt about Canada’s contribution to WW2 in materials, men and its production. Also the relationship to the USA. Thanks Tim and Woody a master class.
King was at first cautious about the scheme and what might be required of the Canadian government. But he later saw the benefits of the program after Parliament declared war against Nazi Germany in 1939. After the BCATP agreement was reached on 17 December 1939, King was proud, believing his government had secured a critical role for Canada in the war, which did not require supplying a large land army. Canadian Encyclopedia British Commonwealth Air Training Plan
While Canada did punch above its weight during the Second World War in Europe, Canada did not do much punching in the Pacific. While the Tribal class destroyers had significant range for a destroyer, the RCN didn't have any light cruisers until the very end, and then one quit the war. To wage war on the other side of the Pacific, the RCN needed cruisers with considerably more range. Even today in the 2020s, the RCN frigates require refueling deploying to the South China Sea to support international law and freedom of the seas...
I have relos that trained in Canada in the Empire Air Training Scheme.👍 One in particular is David Shannon from Adelaide, flew with 617 squadron on the dam Buster raids in 1943. Nephew of Major Stan Watson RAE, who constructed Watsons pier at Anzac Cove, documented as the last officer off the beach in the evacuation.
Speaking of Canadian produced war material, I was very proud to see "VeRA" (the flying Lancaster in Canada) twice this past year. And I'm also happy to say the crowds for both Lancaster events I attended were in their thousands. And it was a widely diverse crowd both times. And as much as I'd have loved to have the Lanc all to myself, it was great to see the sizeable interest.
This is a very interesting discussion, especially in how it ties to current affairs. One thing I’ve enjoyed about this channel is that, as an American, it has helped me take the blinders off, so to speak, and see things beyond just an American perspective.
It was just a few years ago that I found out that the city of Thunder Bay, Ontario, was a major industrial center. Glancing at it on map, I'd always assumed that it was something of a frontier outpost that mainly serviced agricultural and extraction industries and never bothered to look into it further. Then, I discovered that it was a major producer of aircraft and shipping, vehicles, various types of artillery and much more. Being from Michigan, I was well aware of the industrial activity in southern Ontario, but I was embarrassed that I was unaware of how important an industrial center that Thunder Bay was.
What a thoughtful and articulate exchange! Informative, occasionally humorous, and a real testament to the massive contribution Canada made to winning the war in Western Europe.
Although the US remained neutral, Roosevelt and King reached two important agreements that formalized the American commitment: the Ogdensburg Agreement (1940) established the Permanent Joint Board on Defence, and the Hyde Park Agreement (1941) united the two economies for wartime purposes (see lend-lease). Both agreements won widespread popular approval. Canadian Encyclopedia Canadian-American Relations hitler referred to the Ogdensburg Agreement in his lengthy declaration of war on the USA
Excellent discussion, thanks gents. The Aussies declared war on Germany 3rd September 39. Was it the cold that made Canada late by 7 days 😂 Hey at least you turned up 2 1/2 years before your neighbours.😊
Thanks for the reference; too bad it's no longer streaming on Prime. I'm reminded of a related story, "Forgiveness: A Gift From My Grandparents" by Mark Sakamoto, that's on my "For Later Shelf" at my local library.
While most of us look at the world map and generate plans for defense from Russia, Europeans see an eastern front whereas America sees an Arctic Ocean front which by the way is nearly empty of defense fortifications. Therefore America's interests in the Arctic, something to fill the huge gap between Alaska and Norway. America has bases in Alaska, with NATO bases in Greenland and Iceland. Still there is a huge gap in northern Canada without any deep water ports, or air bases. There is nothing up there defensively in Canada's FAR NORTH archipelago. America has a division of troops in Alaska, there is no division of troops in Canada's FAR NORTH. The true north strong and free isn't strong. One wonders whether Canada will defend its FAR NORTH since Canada is NOT spending enough to maintain and sustain its armed forces, or construct infrastructure to its northern coast, not even a paved highway or a railroad. Nor has Canada invested in any sea lift ships capable of supporting and supplying an army unit larger than a company. Minus a deep water port Canada should have some amphibious sea lift capacity. Apparently the Canadian government won't be alarmed until the enemy is within artillery range of Ottawa. As for Panama, America has a treaty with Panama many in America believe Panama is breaking...
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Thank you for this timely reminder of the close relationship our two countries have always had. Canadians don't always agree with our big tough cousins, but when the chips are down, Canadians will always have American's backs.
As an American, I have a new appreciation of the complexities between allies and interestingly neighbors during times of war. Great show Tim and Woody! Thanks!
Really enjoyed your show Tim. Just goes to show that war is more than just soldiers and guns.
fantastic!
Great presentation Paul!
I could say this for every talk I watch here but this really was fascinating to listen too.
Thank you Tim and Woody, so informative, so educating.
A fantastic conclusion to a great double bill.
My uncle was in the RCAF during the war, he was MP and stationed on the Alaska Highway. Dad and Uncle Andy were in Europe.
Having read Tim Cook's "The Fight for History", I expected this show to also be excellent, and it was. The primary message that comes through to me from both of these books, is that if Canadians don't want to be marginal or non-existent in the telling of World War 2 history, then we have to do a much better job of telling our own story. The trend in universities is troubling, but perhaps that will be reversed once they realize Canadian Military History is a subject that the young generation have a strong interest in. Interestingly, I was contacted last week by the grandson of a vet, interested in learning more about his grandfather's service based on the work that I have done. There is hope.
Just watching on catch up Tims presentation, it was brilliant so much I have learnt about Canada’s contribution to WW2 in materials, men and its production. Also the relationship to the USA. Thanks Tim and Woody a master class.
11 million people at that time. Canada produced and punched well above its weight class.
King was at first cautious about the scheme and what might be required of the Canadian government. But he later saw the benefits of the program after Parliament declared war against Nazi Germany in 1939. After the BCATP agreement was reached on 17 December 1939, King was proud, believing his government had secured a critical role for Canada in the war, which did not require supplying a large land army.
Canadian Encyclopedia British Commonwealth Air Training Plan
While Canada did punch above its weight during the Second World War in Europe, Canada did not do much punching in the Pacific. While the Tribal class destroyers had significant range for a destroyer, the RCN didn't have any light cruisers until the very end, and then one quit the war. To wage war on the other side of the Pacific, the RCN needed cruisers with considerably more range. Even today in the 2020s, the RCN frigates require refueling deploying to the South China Sea to support international law and freedom of the seas...
I have relos that trained in Canada in the Empire Air Training Scheme.👍
One in particular is David Shannon from Adelaide, flew with 617 squadron on the dam Buster raids in 1943.
Nephew of Major Stan Watson RAE, who constructed Watsons pier at Anzac Cove, documented as the last officer off the beach in the evacuation.
Speaking of Canadian produced war material, I was very proud to see "VeRA" (the flying Lancaster in Canada) twice this past year. And I'm also happy to say the crowds for both Lancaster events I attended were in their thousands. And it was a widely diverse crowd both times. And as much as I'd have loved to have the Lanc all to myself, it was great to see the sizeable interest.
This is a very interesting discussion, especially in how it ties to current affairs. One thing I’ve enjoyed about this channel is that, as an American, it has helped me take the blinders off, so to speak, and see things beyond just an American perspective.
Thanks for understanding what we are setting out to achieve
It was just a few years ago that I found out that the city of Thunder Bay, Ontario, was a major industrial center. Glancing at it on map, I'd always assumed that it was something of a frontier outpost that mainly serviced agricultural and extraction industries and never bothered to look into it further.
Then, I discovered that it was a major producer of aircraft and shipping, vehicles, various types of artillery and much more.
Being from Michigan, I was well aware of the industrial activity in southern Ontario, but I was embarrassed that I was unaware of how important an industrial center that Thunder Bay was.
What a thoughtful and articulate exchange! Informative, occasionally humorous, and a real testament to the massive contribution Canada made to winning the war in Western Europe.
"massive" ?
Yes, particularly when you weigh it against Canada's population at the time. They more than "punched above their weight."
@@XZoomie So New Zealand, pop 1.6 million, made an even more massive contribution to the defeat of the Axis.
Australia is still littered with Canadian made Chevy Blitz trucks.😁
Thank you Paul and Tim for a great presentation!
This was a fantastic presentation. I’ve always loved the books written by Tim Cook. Keep up the awesome work!
A very lively discussion about the relationship between the US and Canada that went a bit beyond WWII, but thoroughly enjoyed and thought provoking
Terrific discussion. Thank you gentlemen.
Excellent, very informative.
Although the US remained neutral, Roosevelt and King reached two important agreements that formalized the American commitment: the Ogdensburg Agreement (1940) established the Permanent Joint Board on Defence, and the Hyde Park Agreement (1941) united the two economies for wartime purposes (see lend-lease). Both agreements won widespread popular approval.
Canadian Encyclopedia Canadian-American Relations
hitler referred to the Ogdensburg Agreement in his lengthy declaration of war on the USA
Thanks Woody and Tim for a very interesting discussion on a rarely talk about topic.
Great presentation of US/Canada cooperation in WW2 and its sffectiness during the conflict. Not enough people in America have any idea of this.
Fantastic presentation
Excellent discussion, thanks gents.
The Aussies declared war on Germany 3rd September 39.
Was it the cold that made Canada late by 7 days 😂
Hey at least you turned up 2 1/2 years before your neighbours.😊
Economic cost of WWII
Canada 16.5 billion USD in 6 years
UK 120
USA 341 in 4 years
@nickdanger3802
And?
Numbers without context.😞
Very interesting.
How much do you know about Canadian assistant on the Manhattan Project?
The War Between Us (1995) Canada
Thanks for the reference; too bad it's no longer streaming on Prime. I'm reminded of a related story, "Forgiveness:
A Gift From My Grandparents" by Mark Sakamoto, that's on my "For Later Shelf" at my local library.
@@rickgreen2957 No trouble, according to the big idiot box it is on 5 streamers including Roku
Trump talking about Canada, Panama and Greenlad is embarrassing.
While most of us look at the world map and generate plans for defense from Russia, Europeans see an eastern front whereas America sees an Arctic Ocean front which by the way is nearly empty of defense fortifications. Therefore America's interests in the Arctic, something to fill the huge gap between Alaska and Norway. America has bases in Alaska, with NATO bases in Greenland and Iceland. Still there is a huge gap in northern Canada without any deep water ports, or air bases. There is nothing up there defensively in Canada's FAR NORTH archipelago. America has a division of troops in Alaska, there is no division of troops in Canada's FAR NORTH. The true north strong and free isn't strong. One wonders whether Canada will defend its FAR NORTH since Canada is NOT spending enough to maintain and sustain its armed forces, or construct infrastructure to its northern coast, not even a paved highway or a railroad. Nor has Canada invested in any sea lift ships capable of supporting and supplying an army unit larger than a company. Minus a deep water port Canada should have some amphibious sea lift capacity. Apparently the Canadian government won't be alarmed until the enemy is within artillery range of Ottawa. As for Panama, America has a treaty with Panama many in America believe Panama is breaking...