I don't understand why being black or white fan has to do with it... Im a Black Man thats always been a big fan of Em, but admittedly, I have not enjoyed his albums in a while, until now!!!
Then you don't understand. You not understanding something doesn't mean it isn't a reality. Anybody can like anyone. But eminem has a particular fan base and it's ok to admit that
@@JustFollowingOrders12 When you are as popular as Em, a lot of your fans will be of other races. When you add that he is white, it makes sense that a lot of his fans will also be white. That doesn't mean he doesn't have black fans, and that doesn't diminish him as an artist in any way. In fact Em has so many fans, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more black fans than some other greats, even if blacks are a minority in his fan base, if you get me. It is weird to act like fanship is only valid if it's from a certain people. I Lowkey get why, but hip hop is now bigger than black America, but it seems some people are struggling to accept that.
We do need to have an Adult Contemporary category 😆. LL is back, Common and Pete Rock, Nas has been consistently dropping....we need a category for them to be ranked in!
The album is a highlight in his discography. Aside from the concept, the rapping was phenomenal, beats were solid and one thing nobody mentioned is the hooks. There are entire songs in his last 4-5 projects with incredible verses ruined by random corny hooks or female voices. The only issue I have is that the songs in the first part (until GC2 where he kills off Shady) are way better than the songs afterwards. Somebody Save Me is a great way to finish the project though
i think u listened to the wrong album, it was terrible everything about it was bad Eminem is by far the best rapper in the world but all his songs in 2024 are garbage. Terrible compared to his previous songs. There's barely any storey, no fast rap at all, no insane word play, all slow, no vulgar hateful like really statements, nothing really flowed, you cant sing along coz there's no storey or flow or sense in most of it and the music in background was too loud on all the tracks, there were boring choruses. Just felt like this should be what he made before he was famous. Its a massive let down.
@@Obie_24 Eminem during 99-04 is a GOAT level lyricist but I think Em on Relapse, Kamikaze, Music to be… and this album is at his sharpest as far as technical skills and punchlines and multi entendres. I think Em is better than he was 20 years ago but not necessarily saying his albums are better than his classic albums or anything. I can separate great albums and great lyricisms.
How is that a stretch? He’s levels and levels above everybody rn, nobody can come close to his cadence, schemes or ability to flow with quads and multis. Ludicrous to even say there is anyone close
It might not be as impactful as the Eminem show or the Marshall Mathers LP, but whoever thinks this album is trash should switch genres and just listen to pop music.
Ironic as hell considering Eminem is considered to be pop rap, & anyone can be a fan of hip hop and dislike this album, it's absurd to imply otherwise.
Em was rapping from the prospective of if he was still abusing drugs or died from drugs, like an alternative timeline thing in Somebody Save Me. He definitely walked Hailey down the aisle, i think theres clips of it out there
I don’t think Em actually expected to get canceled. I think he was displaying the end of result of the Slim Shady character. He’s so crazy he intentionally wants to get canceled as a F U to Em for not bringing him out more. That’s why he has a back and forth with himself throughout the album. This way fans get old Slim again, but then Em can question “is this really what you want now that you got it?” Pretty clever imo and my favorite record since relapse.
I Dont know why people arent seeing that. At this point, they simply just dont want to think about what eminem does in a project cos they already are not interested in him
Thank you you fully understood the album he wasn't dissing anyone or disrespecting one Preference. Beliefs, deaf, blind small people.He's killing that side of him that used to do that
You choose your words wisely and analyze every aspect, bringing context and crucial info which ultimately elevates the video. Amazing review, it feels good to hear a mature person in a sea of ignorance and clickbaiting shit shows.
If this is Em's last album, I think he delivered. Fans always say they want the "old ___" back, and this feels like the closest a rapper has come to recapturing the feeling of their heyday.
Listen yhall it's not his last album it's slim shady last album he is killing the In mature side of him the side that disrespects gays,midgets,etc...he has grown up and he understands he was wrong so he killing that side of him...the first song is from inside of the mind of a hater he wasn't dissing kdot Wayne Lucas now do you all understand it's a concept album the end of the war between him and slim shady
@@farizaevloeva-n8kWtf do you mean? You should PRAY for it to be his last. Everything has an ending. What better way to end it than with his BEST album to date. (Yes, better than back in the day) Stupid teen comedy, satire and "seriousness". Also, the line "murder/suicide" in GC2 is LITERALLY the end of Eminem. Not only Marshall and/or shady. But BOTH. And the tracks after that (which I don't really enjoy to be honest) but he passes the torch in a way to some new kids. I don't like their flow/style but that's for the young ones.
@@sideskroll wtf do you mean?? It is a good album but it’s not his best album And even if his future albums will be worse I still want him to realise them anyways
Enjoyed watching your take on the album. It was fair and coming from someone who said they aren’t the biggest Em fan, I truly respected it. I did however see the cancel culture part differently than you did. I see this as a movie that exists in its own universe and THOSE people cancelled him. We can hear the news talking about it before GC2. He also wakes up from dreams throughout the album that shows this takes place very much in his mind. The album gave me Fight Club vibes which is amazing. I think Em knows he can’t be cancelled at this point in his career and proud of it. He’s made it obvious in his songs (even Tone Deaf from MTBMB). Salute from Toronto 🫡
When a person acts like Em hasn't contributed to Hip-Hop, I instantly know they have no idea what they're talking about. Em has put on more rappers and people behind the scenes than most rappers from his era. Em put Detroit on the map for Hip-Hop. No one in the D was getting looks from labels before Em. Before him, the only rapper to sign with a major label or have a national spotlight was The Boss when she was the first female rapper to sign with Def Jam. After Em and the success of 8 Mile people started getting looks. If anyone really knows Hip-Hop they know that rappers aren't monoliths. They rap from their POV which can differ depending on their background and mentality. I commend Em for coming into Hip-Hop and taking the art of rap seriously. He studied the game, continuously works at his craft and has given back to the culture many times. We have a platform like Sway In The Morning because of Eminem. People who are not familiar with Detroit Hip-Hop don't know that Horrorcore or Shock Rap was a Detroit thing before Eminem. Esham is an underground legend in Detroit and has over 20 albums independently. He came out in 1988. The Insane Clown Posse came out in '89. The Geto Boys were also doing Horrorcore when they first came out. You can hear this influence in The Slim Shady persona and Bizarre's styles. The crazy thing is, when Em first came out with the Infinite album people were comparing his style to Nas. After that Slim Shady was born. For fans of Horrorcore this album is a Tour de Force. Being white played a part in his success but that is outweighed by his skill. White rappers have been in Hip-Hop since the early 80s. The first rap album to go platinum was the Beastie Boys' License To Ill. A Hip-Hop classic. They weren't conscious, militant or gangsta rappers but it was still Hip-Hop because they were dope MCs. The same goes for Eminem, 3rd Bass, Lil Dicky, Lazarus, EZ Mil and others. Color has never been a disqualifier in Hip-Hop. The only things the culture has always been against is frontin like you're something you're not and biting off another rapper's style or rhymes. Let's not forget that Public Enemy and Da Bomb Squad mentored a Hip-Hop group of white boys from Long Island called Young Black Teenagers. Who's more Pro-Black than Public Enemy?........
This is a great comment, deserves far more likes. Chuck D and LL inducted the Beasties into the RR Hall of Fame... they toured with some greats, from multiple genres really. I can't recall who it was that was introduced to Rubin by one of the Boys... it might have been Chuck D, my memory is shot! The greats in music, not just Hip-Hop, respect Eminem even if they wouldn't listen to him!
Preach my friend! Greatly articulated points about Ems contribution to hip - hop culture. Cancel Em is like canceling Ricky Gervais, Dave Chapel or Bill Burr. You can't do it with these guys (jokes, lyrics or video sketches ) is not enough. Tragedy - 😎 Wise Intelligent - God tier flow master 🕺
Em's substance has been my critique, the me vs the world gets old after so long, but I actually enjoyed this album a lot. The audacity and humor, presented with a level of lyricism and wordplay, while making it all work has been great. And to the substance stuff, he checked those boxes in my personal opinion. Somebody Save Me is fantastic and heartfelt. Then conceptually, you have multiple sides of Em at a clash, and it's a good concept. You can sonically hear the differences. Em is a great rapper, I would side with those who hold him in high regard. Not my favorite, but one of my favorites and rappers would be lucky to hit his lows. Em has pushed the envelope for the culture. I feel people are blindsided by the gimmicks he can get away with and his skin color. Without Em, we don't have many of the rappers we have today and that is a fact. Off topic, Cole on body of work deserves to be in that top tier. I know people drop him a notch for stepping down but I never bought into that. These battles tear down another person's character and I can't fault him for not wanting to partake, but he is indeed a warrior in a garden.
Aww man I just got to the part of the video where you're talking about personal classics, I'm gonna check that Tragedy album out but I want to add on to that. Cormega - The Realness, whom Tragedy features in. I'm a West Coast dude and my cousin from North Carolina visited and put me on and that album was like a variant of Nas' style and I was diggin' it tons. I'm sure you've heard it, Rob, but to anyone else who's into that time and sound, Cormega does not get enough flowers.
Listen, ya are not getting the album.He's not dissing any one.He's not disrespecting.Anyone believes meant to issue sexual preferences.Small people, he's killing that side of him.This is the end of Slim Shady.He's killing Slim Shady.Slim shady wanted to get Cancel, he wanted to disrespect people. Controversy dis people so his records could cell and Em didn't bring him out enough. So now he's killing that side of him. That's why they were beefing. It's the devil Slim Shady. This is not his last album. It's Slim Shady's last album. The disrespectful side of him.He's saying grown.No, any apologizes?Because he knows he was wrong.The first song Renaissance is from the inside of the mind of a hater.That's not him disrespecting kdot, or Wayne etc now do u get it this guy doesn't even get it for real
Eminem created his own hip hop universe. From the slim shady persona, his story, his skill, his topics, his enemies and allies. He’s a genius fr fr. He’s a real life cartoon character.
@@JustFollowingOrders12I guess?? Go listen to 8 Mile (the song not the movie) or the song My Darling. Those are examples of incredible storytelling and lore building with elite levels of rapping on full display.
This was a good Em album review! An objective review… Em’s albums are probably reviewed the best when it’s an Emcee doing the review. Whether u love or hate Em’s albums, the skill level that goes into the rhymes has to be considered. Shout out to Rob 🫡🫡🫡
Eminem is one of few large rappers that actually does a lot of features to this day; Young Ma, Phresher, 2 Chains, Method Man, Kid Cudi, Hov, Kanye West, Missy Elliot, Buckshot, Redman, JID, Black Thought, Conway the Machine, Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Tony Yayo, Busta Rhymes & etc. Also shouted out Pharoahe Monch on one of his biggest records, Rap God. Then when comes to Rap & Hip Hop Eminem is a major factor in why it is international. When comes to the overall narrative of the album, it's more so Slim Shady's being back but stuck in the past than being about the cancel culture. That is just Shady's modern-day interpretation of his past experiences.
This was Classic Em. All the beats on the album sounded like classic Eminem type beats and the mix was super clean. He still sharp lyrically. This is a dope album for Em. The song with JID go crazy!
12:28 the only thing I really can’t stand about Em is the stans. Most of them aren’t fans of hiphop but fans of him and then label him the goat without the due diligence.
I do think many times the extreme ones in fan armies can be fans of that one artist and not ride for the whole drama. I feel there are glimpses of this in Drake’s fan base too.
I think some people hate him so bad that they can never judge him. You can tell the people that are his biggest critics have only listened to the singles and they’ve never actually sat down and listen to his catalog. First off I’m OK if someone doesn’t want to listen to him, there are plenty of artists that I respect but musically. They just don’t do it for me, but I’m not going to pop out every time they drop an album in write a 10 page essay about why I don’t think they’re important to hip-hop. When the dude says that shit about him not ever working with younger artist, right then you know that he doesn’t really pay that close attention to Eminem. He just hates him and he’s making assumptions. That’s right up there with “Em doesn’t give anything back to hip-hop” Em has went out of his way and giving more back than anyone else in that goat conversation. Even if you don’t have him at number one when you look at all the artist he put on in the first five or six years he got signed. There are a lot of people living in big houses right now, because he gave them a chance. Em has always been on the lookout for younger artist and if he sees one that has something special, he likes putting the spotlight on them. As he gets older that aged gap gets bigger and bigger, but dude put on seven motherfuckers from Detroit as soon as he walked in the door. You can’t say “oh we’ll just get rid of Eminem and nothing and hip-hop would change.” 50 Cent, Royce da 5’9” , G - unit, D12, Obie Trice, Westside Boogie……. In a while Em didn’t flat out, Discover Griselda, everyone needs to stop pretending like everyone was talking about them before he signed them to shady records. Even they admitted that he was the one that got them out of the local scene because the rest of hip-hop wasn’t paying them any mind and no one knew who they were outside of their region. It’s OK if someone doesn’t like any artist, but there are some people that are painting so hard and overlooking all of his contributions that I can only look at them as just somebody that’s a hater. Please show me all the other hip-hop Mogul that have put the same amount of people Em has put on. I don’t mean just signed because everyone has artist they signed and never did anything with you can’t find that many people that were signed by Diddy or Jay Z and hear them talk about them the way the people that Em put on talk about him.
I agree. I haven’t thought about how to measure the people he’s put on in relation to other moguls. Maybe. I dunno. But Em on his own merit, you can’t say he didn’t put younger artists on. I agree.
28:00 - Rob, what you mention about Guilty Conscience 2 being the "axis" and the "crescendo" of the battle between the two coupled with an idea from Beezy 430 from DEHH that the album can be played backwards has me thinking what if this album is built as a chiasm between the two characters: Slim Shady on the first end, Marshal Mathers on the latter end and Guilty Conscience 2 being the meeting (crossing) in the middle between the two.
Gotta agree, definitely the best Em project we've gotten in a long time. Its imperfect for sure but it has a good concept and mostly good execution. The songs that hit really hit - Renaissance in particular really gets me because of how much it literally sounds like a verse from 2003 era Em (to the point where people think he used AI on it). That song w/ JID is also fire - their styles perfectly compliment each other. Em gets a lot of hate nowadays in this era but im glad he put something out of good quality. Its been a good year for rap in general.
I love this album. Its my favourite Em album probably since the Eminem Show... Loved the cadence, flows, beats and concept. One or two misses that could have been cut or replaced but its hard to go 19 tracks with 0 skips. Overall, exceeded any expectations I had going in for sure!
I’ve never really been the biggest Eminem fan, but I can respect what he’s done for the hip hop culture and I still do consider him one of the GOATS fs and 8 Mile is one of my fav movies of all time. Again I’m not the biggest Em fan, but I’m not an Em hater either. He has some tracks that are in my playlist such as: Till I Collapse, Crack A Bottle, Space Bound, Forgot About Dre, Lose Yourself, Cleaning Out My Closet, Elevator, Toy Soldiers, Rap God off the top. “The Eminem Show” is probably my fave album out of his discography. I haven’t listened to every album in his discography, but from what I’ve heard I would consider “The Eminem Show” as #1. I heard the new album too and enjoyed it as a casual Em listener. “Fuel” is definitely my fave off the album too👌🏾🔥.
Saying nobody trying to cancel em tells me u don't be on ticktock. That aside who else doing concept albums with this much thought bro playing it front to back EM wins but back to front Slim wins that's another level
The album is flames. Undeniable high level rapping with top notch music production that proves again why he is the GOAT. And dope to see and hear how passionate he still is about Hip Hop and always gives it his all.
I must agree with you about Music to be Murder By is my one of the best album on the back end of his career. I feel this s a classic imo. I listen to that album constantly follow by Kamikaze. This drop is classic EM and if you dint like classic Em nothing will change your mind. But here the truth that these individuals that believe that Em doesn’t belong in hip hop true hip hop artists young and old have him in the conversation and tell you that he played a major role in pushing hip hop globally. Plus he’s always giving flowers 💐 and making sure that the pioneers are not forgotten on every album he shouts some artists out. He also used his time when he was inducted in Rock & Roll hall or fane to call upon artists and grips that should be inducted.
Grip is one of my FAVORITES and Eminem signing him …best thing ever - Eminem is absolutely relevant in Hip Hop and always will be and his contribution to the genre is very appreciated
The real issue with Eminem fans is that if you black and you dont listen to him or if he ain't in your top 10,, you automatically a hater or a racist and most of the people telling me that are usually white lol Em can rap no doubt but his voice, his beat selection, subject matter and hooks are the reason he ain't my kind of rapper.
Yeah and i think that’s fine, all those reasons you gave, none of that sounds like hate to me. It sounds like preference… I get exactly what you’re saying
@@RobMarkmanExactly, I remember a white rapper that I used to like on mixtapes I think he was from Staten Island, correct me if I'm wrong, Jojo Pellegrino, he's Italian I think but yet I was able to listen to his music and I was still living in Africa.
And the REAL issue with blacks talkin trash about Eminem is because they can’t stand to see a white dude take over the genre. So they start pushing some BS to try and discredit his talent. I can’t relate to his music .. BS , oh he doesn’t get played in the hood … BS , he’s corny… BS , he doesn’t get played in the club … BS and i could go on. You know what it is. Kill the racist BS and call it what it is…. Jealousy & hate.
I mean not having him in your top 10 is fine but given that his word play is literally in a league of its own I can understand why some people might eye roll you until they hear more about why
Definitely Em gives his flowers to the great before him. I can definitely saw has a huge hip-hop head, he definitely expanded my library of artists especially on his verses from the track Yah Yah, where he name drops a lot some I definitely knew and some never heard of.
11 minutes in and we're still not on the album yet, I'd have rather been disheartened for actual disagreements on the subject but oh well... Sometimes I feel a lot of us don't even deserve new Eminem anymore, that feeling started kicking in right about now
Fuel is just a lyrical onslaught honestly favorite track in the entire album, Em and JID went insane and that beat was a banger 🔥 Em showed out with his verse after JID went HAM on his verse. The wordplay and rhyme patterns bruh 🤦🏾♂️ as both a lyricist and a long time fan, Eminem dropped a great album so I might be going back to this
19:19 that's the point, not 'getting cancelled'. That is getting even clearer after watching The Face Off. The theme would be getting cancelled if Shady really took over
Yeah it’s a different type of skill set. Kendrick might be able to tho, more so than Jay and Nas. And honestly Jay may end up able to do it, I just don’t think he thinks that way when he writes.
@RobMarkman jay can't not do that even in 02 lol..wayne can do it, nas the god mc can't. That takes a certain "con"centration to do that lol but I love your platform too! Put it on Spotify if you can
It’s not the same old tricks - he expounded what was behind the shady persona and the toll it took on him to inhabit that persona - also he weaved Eminem and slim shady in and out of each song and showed the difference between the two
My favorite em is the Eminem show em. Favorite em song is probably “no apologies”. When em is or was in his pocket with his lyrics, the best, and flow it was a thing of beauty. But I haven’t heard em in that pocket in a very long time. His last album I thought it was okay to trash. I’ll check this one out tho before I write it off tho
This is the best review of the album I’ve heard so far. Very accurate. If you hate Eminem, you won’t like it. If you like him you’ll love it. Great concept album. I knew a guy that hated Jordan, but admitted he’s the best basketball player ever. It’s OK to not like Eminem, but still admit he’s one of the dopest to rap. Two things can be true.
big em fan since sslp back in the day (like 3rd grade). His bars are crazy per usual. he always goes hard, but i guess im left looking for some kind of evolution on his part. I think him getting stuck in the shady persona holds him back from bigger introspection. I get that he's going at gen z and yadda yadda, but idk kinda crazy he has two songs going at candace o. i give it a 8 out of 10. love em forever and will always listen, but hard to call it a classic.
Yo. Check out the album in reverse. It almost makes the album make more sense. It's like Shady coming back, and him slowly slipping back into his old ways. The songs transition like it's setting up a side b or something. I think Em started doing this because a few years ago, Gen Z were trying to cancel him for his lines on Love The Way You Lie. Also, I think he almost created like a cinematic universe. Like, the characters have become almost like characters in a movie or something to me. Almost like the old Slim Shady show. Idk if you've seen it, but it's on RUclips. It's like Shady isn't really a murderer and shit, but in his music, it's real. I think he takes inspiration from real life and blows it up into a dramatic animated film in his music. So, even if people don't get as mad as they used to, he can take just a little bit of backlash and turn it into a big thing for his music. I think going into the album with that mindset, makes it that much better. It's like watching South Park. If they talk about cancel culture, they're just using their characters to make fun of other things in the world. Occasionally, they'll make a joke that pisses a group off, and they'll make fun of them in a future episode. I feel like that's what Eminem does.
My problem with this concept is that nobody is actually trying to cancel Eminem at this point in his career. His “edginess” comes off as forced, especially when he says “what are you gonna do cancel me?” 30 years ago his bars had shock value. That’s gone at this point. The execution is a miss for me. I will say tho I think he’s flowing better compared to recent works, probably since MMLP2 or Recovery.
he isnt trying to get cancelled. he's trying to show how immature slim shady is and is trying hard to get rid of him. cancel culture is just the angle and judging by how people are reviewing the album, its a valid angle
@@JustFollowingOrders12 as many as you decide. @JustFollowingOrders12 can also decide how many he wants to do. beat a dead horse if you have to. as long as in the end, its out of your system. the fans get tired of it and see how much it doesnt have any value, how immature and unnecessary it is. You see how tired you got of it? Mission accomplished
First of all, anyone that says Em hasn't contributed to hip hop and not apart of the culture is purely a hater. He's more ingrained in it than Drake to be honest. The shock rap wont get him cancelled in 2024 bc people are over the Shady act and its not a shock anymore. He's still dope asf and him buring the Shady act is the best idea he could have had. Marshall been dope without that.
Rob, 2 Chainz is a feature on a bonus song for the album called Kyrie and Luka. DJ Premier produced it and it’s dope. Doesn’t fit the theme of the album but a great song and a dope Rakim sample
I like Em for the same reason, his ability and technique is mind blowing. I don’t like all his songs but he has enough great ones to fill a lengthy playlist. Em s the GOAT in my opinion, not necessarily my favourite but he is the best.
When Em said that on Houdini, there was a few people wishing eminem woud die. Asking about why the fans still gives him a platform to talk shit and bla bla bla. People always tried to cancel him. He probably invented this culture. The thing is... His fanbase is bigger than this cancel culture so its impossible for them to cancel Em. But they definitely tried Like Em said on Chloraseptic Remix - "I Cut my MF Fanbase in half and still outsold you"
Same conversation in another day. Nothing new were said. I am from Russia, and we love him here, from him i find out other rappers. Now i am listening Royce, King crooked, and many others.
His skills are all there and he’s flowing as good as ever. His storytelling and voices and characters is top notch. He just ran out of stuff to rap about so the content gets repetitive. I think I heard like 20 Caitlyn Jenner bars in there. But songs like Fuel, Temporary, and the outro are all great.
thats the point. slim shady is a gimmick that fails to grow up. the fans that kept wanting him back see how much of a facade he is. thats why even in guilty conscience 2 when slim made a deaf people joke, Marshall said go ahead, do your thing, sarcastically cos its immature. Eminem succeeded with the concept of slim shady dying.
@@gintoki_sakata__I feel you. But you can find RUclips comments from like 10 years ago of people saying “Eminem made that song bad on purpose cause he’s a genius” and it’s almost a meme at this point.
@@thescoobymike those were desperate fans defending him This time eminem was removing the attachment people have towards eminem. And the songs on this aren't bad. Many people, including non stans have different fav tracks. Some even like brand new dance, some like trouble, Renaissance is appreciated. Habits is also on repeat
Eminem is a lyrical KING! Being smart in strategy of using some same ol concepts in regards to subjects and doing commercial hip hop to gain sales, is something he has to do. Why not boost your coins using a method that works? Most those tracks I don't care for, because I'm into his deeper skill set as a true rapper, but get why he does it and he has an audience to cater to with that. Album, did well at keeping it cohesive and sums up a slim shady era, if it is to end here for that alter ego. Wish were few more hard hitting bangers but it's a very solid project. Fuel is definitely THE ONE!
It really isn't cool to hate on him though, that's what you would think if you live your life on the Internet, but the internet isn't real life. In real life where people actually have friends and fulfillment in their lives, people love em, it's the losers who only have the choice of being sociable behind a screen and creating a fake facade of themselves that make it appear as if their opinion holds any real weight in real life. They unite on the Internet and create the illusion that people don't like him, but it's really a small minority of people in reality
@@maxxmarino6500 People have their opinions on all artist in hip hop and Eminem is not above that. He's not above the culture and as a matter of fact hip hop has kinda moved on from him. We already know what he's gonna talk about before it comes out.
I felt like a dope concept for this album would have been about the irony of not being canceled in real life. Slim Shady could of been the antagonist telling Em he lost his touch However resulting in Em wanting to kill him to prove otherwise
Hi Rob! I didn't actually listened to the album (just the intro and habits) but i was looking forward to your video to see what to expect. When you mentioned Tragedy and gave some tips to what listen to i was like "yeah i'm in that 90's new york mood", so i started from TM 4118 and i'm in love with it, the beats are insane (Blood type probably my fav). The delivery it's so intense and have that hip hop taste that often modern rap can't reach anymore. If you can give me more advise on this type of new york albums i will appreciate it very much!
Capone & Noreaga “War Report” if you haven’t heard that. Cormega “The Realness” if you never heard that. Also Royal Flush “Ghetto Millionaire” is a personal favorite. Glad you enjoyed the Tragedy recommendation.
@@RobMarkman yeah I read it in the comments section of a video about the album but I am not sure if it’s true i would take that with a grain of salt cause it is the internet but if you think about it when you go backwards from “Somebody save me” it’s a double meaning and could be a intro/ending of an album to “Renaissance” which can also be a double meaning and also used as a intro/ending to an album so in theory is Slim Shady dead?? Or is Eminem trying to help Slim grow up with him and “kill” the immaturity of the character cause when Eminem calls Paul and Paul replies “fuck you” you hear slim laughing in the background it’s very quick
Here is how the new story goes: Somebody Save Me: Foreshadows Marshall’s death. Guess Who’s Back: Hints at Slim Shady’s return. Tobey: Reflects on failures and the return of Shady. Bad One: Indicates Marshall’s job is done. Temporary: A letter to Hailie hinting at his end. Head Honcho: References the story of Ezekiel and creation day, symbolising the birth of Slim Shady. Guilty Conscience 2: Slim Shady laughs, proving it wasn’t a dream. Breaking News: Shady shows Marshall the chaos he has started. Houdini: Paul thinks Marshall is on a tangent. Road Rage: Slim dyes Marshall’s hair blonde again. Fuel: References the Reaper coming. Antichrist: Slim Shady’s darker thoughts. Lucifer: Switches between Marshall and Slim, setting up the finale. All You Got: Slim tells Marshall he’s nothing without him. Evil: Slim fully takes over. Brand New Dance: Slim mocks Marshall. Trouble Skit: Slim drugs Marshall. Habits: Marshall struggles while tied up. Renaissance: Slim buries Marshall and spits on his grave.
I see this going 2 ways, where people actually begin to try to cancel Em or people actually become more open with what they want to say. Just give the album some time to breathe, we'll soon see it's aftershocks.
Trouble, Lucifer and GC2 by themselves make the album. Ive never been a huge, mega Eminem fan. I liked his stuff back in the day when I was a kid. My name is etc... but I never got into his voice and gimmicks. But this album is EXTREMLEY good. The beats (in particular the songs I mentioned) are FIRE. Im so glad this album didnt feature that "Dre sound" (which I never liked) and that Eminem raps more fluidly. Not that hyper robotic mode that he developed since a couple of albums ago... Also, If I understood you correctly. You and I enjoy rap for VERY different reasons. The "technical" part of rap is horrible (for me) SlaughterHouse etc... Therea no flow. Rap ahould ALWAYS have a nice, nasty beat and dlowing lyrics. Period. "Technical rappers" are basically reading a manifesto with aome background noise. By the way, this should be Eminems last album. EVER. Its the perfect way to end it all. Murder/suicide.
For me, “classic” is anything timeless. If I can throw it in and rock to it in any era, it’s classic. But ultimately, it’s subjective. People saying Em didn’t contribute to the culture is absolutely insane. Shade45 alone was 100x more then Jay ever gave back to the culture. DJ Premier has been getting CHECKS for years through Shade45, along with a LOT of other “hiphop relevant” artists.
Honestly its an alright album.. It has good couple of tracks but nothing special.. i still feel he can make another classic but then again im not a rapper..
I completely agree, the protests and outrage wasn't there. People just turned off the record and said they didn't like it, and moved on. No outrage, no nothing. Also, we know that he has a kid that's genderfluid (trans) so like he doesn't mean alot of the stuff he's trying to flare up. And the whole satire and separation between em and slim fails when half if not more of his audience want him to mean exactly what he's rapping about for 3/4 of the album. by the time of the turn at guilty conscience 2, the point feels tired. idk. def not for me.
You and just listening to the album invoked a thought bear with me. Concept of the album is either a movie or comic book whatever. Slim is getting him cancelled with in the story of the album and he kills him. He don’t really expects to get cancelled in real life because this album is for the fans. Maybe im wrong though and he actually expects real back lash from the album.
This album reminded me of Chris Rock's and Dave Chappelle's last couple stand ups. They have good points here and there concerning cancel culture but they come off like old men yelling at the clouds.
9:38 I gotta disagree a bit there. Its like Eminem. only dr dre could bring out what em became. any other producer would have ruined it. Even with 50, it had to be Em and dre cos as you said, everyone was afraid of working with him. Sure he was great on his own, but he would have ended up as another great rapper like Elzhi, without any world wide exposure/influence
That dvndwr dude is narrowminded. he basically in one sentence acknowledges that Eminem is a good rapper but Em is also not relevant to hip-hop culture? LMFAO what, how does that work?? He doesn't understand that for some people the main enjoyment is technical skill/schemes/wordplay/delivery. And that will ALWAYS be relevant to hip-hop culture. Good rapping doesn't equal good music? Yes, it does, at least for me and millions of others. I can get goosebumps hearing Pavarotti sing, I can also get goosebumps hearing a good flow and delivery, regardless of any politics or motives behind it. Turn it around, mumble rap and SoundCloud rappers were for a while very relevant to "the culture" Does it mean that that is good music, for some yes. But many can't stand it. It's the same old eminem doesn't make club bangers argument. And that's fine everyone looks for something different in an artist. But hip-hop culture and rap go faaaar beyond what's happening in a club. And if anything involves using the same old tricks, it's creating hit club bangers. Often formulaic garbage.
The album can be so many things besides a classic or trash. It’s basically saying that this album is just a piece of shit or it’s an all-time classic when in fact, most albums aren’t either there’s a lot of space between classic and trash. I don’t know if it’s a classic think you can tell if an album is a classic within the first week it is out. I feel like we have this discussion more and more in the past 15 years. Anytime one of the top tier figures, and hip-hop releases an album, everyone wants to call it a classic in the first 24 hours or you have haters that are going to hate it no matter what was on the album. For me personally, I think it’s his best album since Recovery pretty easily. I would rank it as probably his fifth best album right behind his first three and recovery. I feel pretty comfortable putting this album there. I really like Kamikaze and MMLP2, but this album was better than those. We just have to get past this mindset of albums, being trash or Classics, because most albums aren’t trash or Classics.
Hiphop doesn't really see much cancel culture because hiphop heads aren't PC like that. We don't really care about the words they dont want said. If the fans dont care you can't cancel the artists and the cancel culture people know that.
Classic or Trash? Neither. Its a good Em album. Best thing since Relapse imo. Im not the biggest Em fan, but i definitely was for those first 3 Aftermath albums. This shit better than Recovery and everything since then imo. Good project.
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I don't understand why being black or white fan has to do with it... Im a Black Man thats always been a big fan of Em, but admittedly, I have not enjoyed his albums in a while, until now!!!
Then you don't understand. You not understanding something doesn't mean it isn't a reality. Anybody can like anyone. But eminem has a particular fan base and it's ok to admit that
@@JustFollowingOrders12tf u mean
@@JustFollowingOrders12 When you are as popular as Em, a lot of your fans will be of other races. When you add that he is white, it makes sense that a lot of his fans will also be white. That doesn't mean he doesn't have black fans, and that doesn't diminish him as an artist in any way. In fact Em has so many fans, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more black fans than some other greats, even if blacks are a minority in his fan base, if you get me.
It is weird to act like fanship is only valid if it's from a certain people. I Lowkey get why, but hip hop is now bigger than black America, but it seems some people are struggling to accept that.
Different demographic, different cultures, different perspectives, different experiences
U wild. Kamikaze and mtbmb was fire
We do need to have an Adult Contemporary category 😆. LL is back, Common and Pete Rock, Nas has been consistently dropping....we need a category for them to be ranked in!
Interesting … hmmmmm
Like a "Classic Rock" but for Hip Hop.... I like that.
facts
Disagree.
True...we also got a bit of grown-up Lloyd Banks albums
The album is a highlight in his discography. Aside from the concept, the rapping was phenomenal, beats were solid and one thing nobody mentioned is the hooks. There are entire songs in his last 4-5 projects with incredible verses ruined by random corny hooks or female voices. The only issue I have is that the songs in the first part (until GC2 where he kills off Shady) are way better than the songs afterwards. Somebody Save Me is a great way to finish the project though
Somebody Save Me Was great
Thank you bro the improvement on hooks was literally my first relief w this album, that shit has killed so many potential good songs
i think u listened to the wrong album, it was terrible everything about it was bad Eminem is by far the best rapper in the world but all his songs in 2024 are garbage. Terrible compared to his previous songs. There's barely any storey, no fast rap at all, no insane word play, all slow, no vulgar hateful like really statements, nothing really flowed, you cant sing along coz there's no storey or flow or sense in most of it and the music in background was too loud on all the tracks, there were boring choruses. Just felt like this should be what he made before he was famous. Its a massive let down.
Em still in his peak lyrically.
That’s a stretch. He’s still at a high level tho. It’s like Lebron, is he still great? Yes but is he Heat/Cavs Lebron? No.
@@Obie_24 Eminem during 99-04 is a GOAT level lyricist but I think Em on Relapse, Kamikaze, Music to be… and this album is at his sharpest as far as technical skills and punchlines and multi entendres. I think Em is better than he was 20 years ago but not necessarily saying his albums are better than his classic albums or anything. I can separate great albums and great lyricisms.
How is that a stretch? He’s levels and levels above everybody rn, nobody can come close to his cadence, schemes or ability to flow with quads and multis. Ludicrous to even say there is anyone close
He's definitely still top tier. Only problem is he's not relatable enough to everyone but he's second to none with his wordplay and riding beats
@@Obie_24he at his peak youre a fool if u don't know he better now than ever
It might not be as impactful as the Eminem show or the Marshall Mathers LP, but whoever thinks this album is trash should switch genres and just listen to pop music.
lol def not trash
Ironic as hell considering Eminem is considered to be pop rap, & anyone can be a fan of hip hop and dislike this album, it's absurd to imply otherwise.
em is pop music
It was easily his best work in decades. He is lyrically at his peak, and his voice is strong. The pockets he found on this album were incredible.
Em was rapping from the prospective of if he was still abusing drugs or died from drugs, like an alternative timeline thing in Somebody Save Me. He definitely walked Hailey down the aisle, i think theres clips of it out there
For sure
I don’t think Em actually expected to get canceled. I think he was displaying the end of result of the Slim Shady character. He’s so crazy he intentionally wants to get canceled as a F U to Em for not bringing him out more. That’s why he has a back and forth with himself throughout the album. This way fans get old Slim again, but then Em can question “is this really what you want now that you got it?” Pretty clever imo and my favorite record since relapse.
I Dont know why people arent seeing that. At this point, they simply just dont want to think about what eminem does in a project cos they already are not interested in him
@@gintoki_sakata__ Yeah idk. Distracted by the shock value I guess
It’s very cinematic indeed
Thank you you fully understood the album he wasn't dissing anyone or disrespecting one Preference.
Beliefs, deaf, blind small people.He's killing that side of him that used to do that
You choose your words wisely and analyze every aspect, bringing context and crucial info which ultimately elevates the video. Amazing review, it feels good to hear a mature person in a sea of ignorance and clickbaiting shit shows.
Thank you for watching 🫡
Facts
If this is Em's last album, I think he delivered. Fans always say they want the "old ___" back, and this feels like the closest a rapper has come to recapturing the feeling of their heyday.
True
Hope it isn’t
Listen yhall it's not his last album it's slim shady last album he is killing the In mature side of him the side that disrespects gays,midgets,etc...he has grown up and he understands he was wrong so he killing that side of him...the first song is from inside of the mind of a hater he wasn't dissing kdot Wayne Lucas now do you all understand it's a concept album the end of the war between him and slim shady
@@farizaevloeva-n8kWtf do you mean? You should PRAY for it to be his last. Everything has an ending. What better way to end it than with his BEST album to date. (Yes, better than back in the day) Stupid teen comedy, satire and "seriousness". Also, the line "murder/suicide" in GC2 is LITERALLY the end of Eminem. Not only Marshall and/or shady. But BOTH. And the tracks after that (which I don't really enjoy to be honest) but he passes the torch in a way to some new kids. I don't like their flow/style but that's for the young ones.
@@sideskroll wtf do you mean??
It is a good album but it’s not his best album
And even if his future albums will be worse I still want him to realise them anyways
I think Em is a time capsule artist, he reminds me of a throwback Adam Sandler movie lol
This is honestly a perfect analogy
Aka he didn't evolve artistically and continues to drop horrible albuls
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47 This album displays the most growth we've ever seen from him
@@STARK0181did we though? It's still a lot of the same old lyrical subjects even in the serious songs.
@@chaosinorderrr We did. This album is the most introspection he's done in a very long time.
Enjoyed watching your take on the album. It was fair and coming from someone who said they aren’t the biggest Em fan, I truly respected it. I did however see the cancel culture part differently than you did. I see this as a movie that exists in its own universe and THOSE people cancelled him. We can hear the news talking about it before GC2. He also wakes up from dreams throughout the album that shows this takes place very much in his mind. The album gave me Fight Club vibes which is amazing. I think Em knows he can’t be cancelled at this point in his career and proud of it. He’s made it obvious in his songs (even Tone Deaf from MTBMB). Salute from Toronto 🫡
When a person acts like Em hasn't contributed to Hip-Hop, I instantly know they have no idea what they're talking about. Em has put on more rappers and people behind the scenes than most rappers from his era. Em put Detroit on the map for Hip-Hop. No one in the D was getting looks from labels before Em. Before him, the only rapper to sign with a major label or have a national spotlight was The Boss when she was the first female rapper to sign with Def Jam. After Em and the success of 8 Mile people started getting looks. If anyone really knows Hip-Hop they know that rappers aren't monoliths. They rap from their POV which can differ depending on their background and mentality. I commend Em for coming into Hip-Hop and taking the art of rap seriously. He studied the game, continuously works at his craft and has given back to the culture many times. We have a platform like Sway In The Morning because of Eminem. People who are not familiar with Detroit Hip-Hop don't know that Horrorcore or Shock Rap was a Detroit thing before Eminem. Esham is an underground legend in Detroit and has over 20 albums independently. He came out in 1988. The Insane Clown Posse came out in '89. The Geto Boys were also doing Horrorcore when they first came out. You can hear this influence in The Slim Shady persona and Bizarre's styles. The crazy thing is, when Em first came out with the Infinite album people were comparing his style to Nas. After that Slim Shady was born. For fans of Horrorcore this album is a Tour de Force. Being white played a part in his success but that is outweighed by his skill. White rappers have been in Hip-Hop since the early 80s. The first rap album to go platinum was the Beastie Boys' License To Ill. A Hip-Hop classic. They weren't conscious, militant or gangsta rappers but it was still Hip-Hop because they were dope MCs. The same goes for Eminem, 3rd Bass, Lil Dicky, Lazarus, EZ Mil and others. Color has never been a disqualifier in Hip-Hop. The only things the culture has always been against is frontin like you're something you're not and biting off another rapper's style or rhymes. Let's not forget that Public Enemy and Da Bomb Squad mentored a Hip-Hop group of white boys from Long Island called Young Black Teenagers. Who's more Pro-Black than Public Enemy?........
This is a great comment, deserves far more likes. Chuck D and LL inducted the Beasties into the RR Hall of Fame... they toured with some greats, from multiple genres really. I can't recall who it was that was introduced to Rubin by one of the Boys... it might have been Chuck D, my memory is shot! The greats in music, not just Hip-Hop, respect Eminem even if they wouldn't listen to him!
@@Mike_H76 Appreciate it 👊🏾
I appreciate the discussion man. You put a lot of thought in these things.
I try. I feel like we deserve good and nuanced conversations around the music we love ya know? Thanks for watching
The album is brilliant. One of his bests.
Just having a daughter, the song where he talks about Hailey almost made me cry.
Congratulations. On your baby girl. Yeah that song was really beautiful
I subbed at "nuance." Thank you. I finally found where the grown folks are hanging out.
Ayeeeee welcome. We grown over here. We close at 10pm tho 😂
Preach my friend!
Greatly articulated points about Ems contribution to hip - hop culture.
Cancel Em is like canceling Ricky Gervais, Dave Chapel or Bill Burr.
You can't do it with these guys (jokes, lyrics or video sketches ) is not enough.
Tragedy - 😎
Wise Intelligent - God tier flow master 🕺
Em's substance has been my critique, the me vs the world gets old after so long, but I actually enjoyed this album a lot.
The audacity and humor, presented with a level of lyricism and wordplay, while making it all work has been great.
And to the substance stuff, he checked those boxes in my personal opinion. Somebody Save Me is fantastic and heartfelt.
Then conceptually, you have multiple sides of Em at a clash, and it's a good concept. You can sonically hear the differences.
Em is a great rapper, I would side with those who hold him in high regard. Not my favorite, but one of my favorites and rappers would be lucky to hit his lows.
Em has pushed the envelope for the culture. I feel people are blindsided by the gimmicks he can get away with and his skin color. Without Em, we don't have many of the rappers we have today and that is a fact.
Off topic, Cole on body of work deserves to be in that top tier. I know people drop him a notch for stepping down but I never bought into that. These battles tear down another person's character and I can't fault him for not wanting to partake, but he is indeed a warrior in a garden.
Aww man I just got to the part of the video where you're talking about personal classics, I'm gonna check that Tragedy album out but I want to add on to that.
Cormega - The Realness, whom Tragedy features in. I'm a West Coast dude and my cousin from North Carolina visited and put me on and that album was like a variant of Nas' style and I was diggin' it tons. I'm sure you've heard it, Rob, but to anyone else who's into that time and sound, Cormega does not get enough flowers.
j cole unfortunately does not have a classic. only good albums
Listen, ya are not getting the album.He's not dissing any one.He's not disrespecting.Anyone believes meant to issue sexual preferences.Small people, he's killing that side of him.This is the end of Slim Shady.He's killing Slim Shady.Slim shady wanted to get Cancel, he wanted to disrespect people. Controversy dis people so his records could cell and Em didn't bring him out enough. So now he's killing that side of him. That's why they were beefing. It's the devil Slim Shady. This is not his last album. It's Slim Shady's last album. The disrespectful side of him.He's saying grown.No, any apologizes?Because he knows he was wrong.The first song Renaissance is from the inside of the mind of a hater.That's not him disrespecting kdot, or Wayne etc now do u get it this guy doesn't even get it for real
@@gintoki_sakata__forest hill drive is a classic
Eminem created his own hip hop universe. From the slim shady persona, his story, his skill, his topics, his enemies and allies. He’s a genius fr fr. He’s a real life cartoon character.
He’s definitely created his own universe
If you wanna call that "genius", I guess.
@@JustFollowingOrders12 it’s definitely successful
@@JustFollowingOrders12 it's genius
@@JustFollowingOrders12I guess?? Go listen to 8 Mile (the song not the movie) or the song My Darling. Those are examples of incredible storytelling and lore building with elite levels of rapping on full display.
personally i don't think he's old slim but since kamikaze his word play has been impeccable second to none in my opinion. what do u think?
Nah the wordplay is insane
This was a good Em album review! An objective review… Em’s albums are probably reviewed the best when it’s an Emcee doing the review. Whether u love or hate Em’s albums, the skill level that goes into the rhymes has to be considered. Shout out to Rob 🫡🫡🫡
Much love!! 🫡
Eminem is one of few large rappers that actually does a lot of features to this day; Young Ma, Phresher, 2 Chains, Method Man, Kid Cudi, Hov, Kanye West, Missy Elliot, Buckshot, Redman, JID, Black Thought, Conway the Machine, Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Tony Yayo, Busta Rhymes & etc. Also shouted out Pharoahe Monch on one of his biggest records, Rap God. Then when comes to Rap & Hip Hop Eminem is a major factor in why it is international.
When comes to the overall narrative of the album, it's more so Slim Shady's being back but stuck in the past than being about the cancel culture. That is just Shady's modern-day interpretation of his past experiences.
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This was Classic Em. All the beats on the album sounded like classic Eminem type beats and the mix was super clean. He still sharp lyrically. This is a dope album for Em. The song with JID go crazy!
Crazy!!!
He’s by far the most diverse and complete MC #UndisputedGOAT
Def Em's best album since Recovery. Although I REALLY liked Kamikaze. He had some of his best verses in The Ringer, Lucky You, and Not Alike.
Go listen to mmlp again
12:28 the only thing I really can’t stand about Em is the stans. Most of them aren’t fans of hiphop but fans of him and then label him the goat without the due diligence.
What a moronic comment. How can you possibly know how many of his fans are “ real fans “ of hip hop ?
I do think many times the extreme ones in fan armies can be fans of that one artist and not ride for the whole drama.
I feel there are glimpses of this in Drake’s fan base too.
Kendrick Lamar’s too
But that’s Stans of any huge artist. Em has 85M followers on Spotify, I guarantee most of them listen to other HipHop artists
@@Kiki-xx3fjmust stand but Eminem’s cds not streaming that’s why he’s first 3 albums were platinum streaming didn’t exist in the 90s
I think some people hate him so bad that they can never judge him. You can tell the people that are his biggest critics have only listened to the singles and they’ve never actually sat down and listen to his catalog. First off I’m OK if someone doesn’t want to listen to him, there are plenty of artists that I respect but musically. They just don’t do it for me, but I’m not going to pop out every time they drop an album in write a 10 page essay about why I don’t think they’re important to hip-hop.
When the dude says that shit about him not ever working with younger artist, right then you know that he doesn’t really pay that close attention to Eminem. He just hates him and he’s making assumptions. That’s right up there with “Em doesn’t give anything back to hip-hop”
Em has went out of his way and giving more back than anyone else in that goat conversation. Even if you don’t have him at number one when you look at all the artist he put on in the first five or six years he got signed. There are a lot of people living in big houses right now, because he gave them a chance. Em has always been on the lookout for younger artist and if he sees one that has something special, he likes putting the spotlight on them. As he gets older that aged gap gets bigger and bigger, but dude put on seven motherfuckers from Detroit as soon as he walked in the door. You can’t say “oh we’ll just get rid of Eminem and nothing and hip-hop would change.” 50 Cent, Royce da 5’9” , G - unit, D12, Obie Trice, Westside Boogie……. In a while Em didn’t flat out, Discover Griselda, everyone needs to stop pretending like everyone was talking about them before he signed them to shady records. Even they admitted that he was the one that got them out of the local scene because the rest of hip-hop wasn’t paying them any mind and no one knew who they were outside of their region.
It’s OK if someone doesn’t like any artist, but there are some people that are painting so hard and overlooking all of his contributions that I can only look at them as just somebody that’s a hater. Please show me all the other hip-hop Mogul that have put the same amount of people Em has put on. I don’t mean just signed because everyone has artist they signed and never did anything with you can’t find that many people that were signed by Diddy or Jay Z and hear them talk about them the way the people that Em put on talk about him.
I agree. I haven’t thought about how to measure the people he’s put on in relation to other moguls. Maybe. I dunno.
But Em on his own merit, you can’t say he didn’t put younger artists on. I agree.
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Rob, what you mention about Guilty Conscience 2 being the "axis" and the "crescendo" of the battle between the two coupled with an idea from Beezy 430 from DEHH that the album can be played backwards has me thinking what if this album is built as a chiasm between the two characters: Slim Shady on the first end, Marshal Mathers on the latter end and Guilty Conscience 2 being the meeting (crossing) in the middle between the two.
Gotta agree, definitely the best Em project we've gotten in a long time. Its imperfect for sure but it has a good concept and mostly good execution. The songs that hit really hit - Renaissance in particular really gets me because of how much it literally sounds like a verse from 2003 era Em (to the point where people think he used AI on it). That song w/ JID is also fire - their styles perfectly compliment each other.
Em gets a lot of hate nowadays in this era but im glad he put something out of good quality. Its been a good year for rap in general.
I love this album. Its my favourite Em album probably since the Eminem Show... Loved the cadence, flows, beats and concept. One or two misses that could have been cut or replaced but its hard to go 19 tracks with 0 skips. Overall, exceeded any expectations I had going in for sure!
Yeah it’s hard for ANYONE to do 19 tracks with no skips. You’re 100% right
I’ve never really been the biggest Eminem fan, but I can respect what he’s done for the hip hop culture and I still do consider him one of the GOATS fs and 8 Mile is one of my fav movies of all time. Again I’m not the biggest Em fan, but I’m not an Em hater either. He has some tracks that are in my playlist such as: Till I Collapse, Crack A Bottle, Space Bound, Forgot About Dre, Lose Yourself, Cleaning Out My Closet, Elevator, Toy Soldiers, Rap God off the top. “The Eminem Show” is probably my fave album out of his discography. I haven’t listened to every album in his discography, but from what I’ve heard I would consider “The Eminem Show” as #1. I heard the new album too and enjoyed it as a casual Em listener. “Fuel” is definitely my fave off the album too👌🏾🔥.
Very much appreciate the nuance!!!! Things are complex and not so simple. Though it’s easier to just put things in boxes with labels.
Yeah that was my point exactly. Thanks for watching.
i would like to hear more from eminem instead of waiting for years,i would like to see him work on other peoples projects too
Saying nobody trying to cancel em tells me u don't be on ticktock. That aside who else doing concept albums with this much thought bro playing it front to back EM wins but back to front Slim wins that's another level
The album is flames.
Undeniable high level rapping with top notch music production that proves again why he is the GOAT.
And dope to see and hear how passionate he still is about Hip Hop and always gives it his all.
I must agree with you about Music to be Murder By is my one of the best album on the back end of his career. I feel this s a classic imo. I listen to that album constantly follow by Kamikaze. This drop is classic EM and if you dint like classic Em nothing will change your mind. But here the truth that these individuals that believe that Em doesn’t belong in hip hop true hip hop artists young and old have him in the conversation and tell you that he played a major role in pushing hip hop globally. Plus he’s always giving flowers 💐 and making sure that the pioneers are not forgotten on every album he shouts some artists out. He also used his time when he was inducted in Rock & Roll hall or fane to call upon artists and grips that should be inducted.
Grip is one of my FAVORITES and Eminem signing him …best thing ever - Eminem is absolutely relevant in Hip Hop and always will be and his contribution to the genre is very appreciated
The real issue with Eminem fans is that if you black and you dont listen to him or if he ain't in your top 10,, you automatically a hater or a racist and most of the people telling me that are usually white lol Em can rap no doubt but his voice, his beat selection, subject matter and hooks are the reason he ain't my kind of rapper.
Yeah and i think that’s fine, all those reasons you gave, none of that sounds like hate to me. It sounds like preference… I get exactly what you’re saying
@@RobMarkmanExactly, I remember a white rapper that I used to like on mixtapes I think he was from Staten Island, correct me if I'm wrong, Jojo Pellegrino, he's Italian I think but yet I was able to listen to his music and I was still living in Africa.
And the REAL issue with blacks talkin trash about Eminem is because they can’t stand to see a white dude take over the genre. So they start pushing some BS to try and discredit his talent. I can’t relate to his music .. BS , oh he doesn’t get played in the hood … BS , he’s corny… BS , he doesn’t get played in the club … BS and i could go on. You know what it is. Kill the racist BS and call it what it is…. Jealousy & hate.
I mean not having him in your top 10 is fine but given that his word play is literally in a league of its own I can understand why some people might eye roll you until they hear more about why
@@sanguinepenguin9576 I gave my reasons and I was specific, I don't see what else you need
Definitely Em gives his flowers to the great before him. I can definitely saw has a huge hip-hop head, he definitely expanded my library of artists especially on his verses from the track Yah Yah, where he name drops a lot some I definitely knew and some never heard of.
Yeah that’s one of the amazing things that he does.
11 minutes in and we're still not on the album yet, I'd have rather been disheartened for actual disagreements on the subject but oh well... Sometimes I feel a lot of us don't even deserve new Eminem anymore, that feeling started kicking in right about now
You are entitled to all of your feelings sir
love these breakdowns, appreciate the good faith commentary!!!
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This was his best album in a while. Sharp rapping, dope concept. Sounded focused
Fuel is just a lyrical onslaught honestly favorite track in the entire album, Em and JID went insane and that beat was a banger 🔥 Em showed out with his verse after JID went HAM on his verse. The wordplay and rhyme patterns bruh 🤦🏾♂️ as both a lyricist and a long time fan, Eminem dropped a great album so I might be going back to this
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19:19 that's the point, not 'getting cancelled'. That is getting even clearer after watching The Face Off. The theme would be getting cancelled if Shady really took over
Jay z and nas and dot are in my top 5 but they can never do what em did on fuel that k rhyme scheme is phenomenal
Yeah it’s a different type of skill set. Kendrick might be able to tho, more so than Jay and Nas. And honestly Jay may end up able to do it, I just don’t think he thinks that way when he writes.
@RobMarkman jay can't not do that even in 02 lol..wayne can do it, nas the god mc can't. That takes a certain "con"centration to do that lol but I love your platform too! Put it on Spotify if you can
It’s not the same old tricks - he expounded what was behind the shady persona and the toll it took on him to inhabit that persona - also he weaved Eminem and slim shady in and out of each song and showed the difference between the two
It’s been a great year for Hip Hop and we’re only in August!
We’re in July … don’t rush the year it’s moving too fast already lol
@@RobMarkman Right July, thanks for bringing me back lol
SIMPLY PUT:
THE PERFECT ASSESSMENT
EM IS EITHER FOR YOU OR HE NOT!
YOU KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT!
Yeah
My favorite em is the Eminem show em. Favorite em song is probably “no apologies”. When em is or was in his pocket with his lyrics, the best, and flow it was a thing of beauty. But I haven’t heard em in that pocket in a very long time. His last album I thought it was okay to trash. I’ll check this one out tho before I write it off tho
Yeah at least check it out first
No aplogies and Rabbit run are perfect to me
@@RobMarkman if it’s better than his last shit then def I’ll check out
Renaissance sounded like encore em fr fr
It was a dope opener.
For me it sounded more like run rabbit run from the 8 mile soundtrack
This is the best review of the album I’ve heard so far. Very accurate. If you hate Eminem, you won’t like it. If you like him you’ll love it. Great concept album. I knew a guy that hated Jordan, but admitted he’s the best basketball player ever. It’s OK to not like Eminem, but still admit he’s one of the dopest to rap. Two things can be true.
Thanks for keeping it Real my Brother
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big em fan since sslp back in the day (like 3rd grade). His bars are crazy per usual. he always goes hard, but i guess im left looking for some kind of evolution on his part. I think him getting stuck in the shady persona holds him back from bigger introspection. I get that he's going at gen z and yadda yadda, but idk kinda crazy he has two songs going at candace o. i give it a 8 out of 10. love em forever and will always listen, but hard to call it a classic.
8 outta 10 is fair
Yo. Check out the album in reverse. It almost makes the album make more sense. It's like Shady coming back, and him slowly slipping back into his old ways. The songs transition like it's setting up a side b or something. I think Em started doing this because a few years ago, Gen Z were trying to cancel him for his lines on Love The Way You Lie. Also, I think he almost created like a cinematic universe. Like, the characters have become almost like characters in a movie or something to me. Almost like the old Slim Shady show. Idk if you've seen it, but it's on RUclips. It's like Shady isn't really a murderer and shit, but in his music, it's real. I think he takes inspiration from real life and blows it up into a dramatic animated film in his music. So, even if people don't get as mad as they used to, he can take just a little bit of backlash and turn it into a big thing for his music. I think going into the album with that mindset, makes it that much better. It's like watching South Park. If they talk about cancel culture, they're just using their characters to make fun of other things in the world. Occasionally, they'll make a joke that pisses a group off, and they'll make fun of them in a future episode. I feel like that's what Eminem does.
My problem with this concept is that nobody is actually trying to cancel Eminem at this point in his career. His “edginess” comes off as forced, especially when he says “what are you gonna do cancel me?” 30 years ago his bars had shock value. That’s gone at this point. The execution is a miss for me. I will say tho I think he’s flowing better compared to recent works, probably since MMLP2 or Recovery.
Agreed
he isnt trying to get cancelled. he's trying to show how immature slim shady is and is trying hard to get rid of him. cancel culture is just the angle and judging by how people are reviewing the album, its a valid angle
@gintoki_sakata__ and so how many tracks do you need to do that for?
@@JustFollowingOrders12 as many as you decide. @JustFollowingOrders12 can also decide how many he wants to do. beat a dead horse if you have to. as long as in the end, its out of your system. the fans get tired of it and see how much it doesnt have any value, how immature and unnecessary it is. You see how tired you got of it? Mission accomplished
First of all, anyone that says Em hasn't contributed to hip hop and not apart of the culture is purely a hater. He's more ingrained in it than Drake to be honest. The shock rap wont get him cancelled in 2024 bc people are over the Shady act and its not a shock anymore. He's still dope asf and him buring the Shady act is the best idea he could have had. Marshall been dope without that.
I don’t wanna start comparing this to Drake but i feel you
@@RobMarkman yea only reason I brought up Drake is bc of the narrative. There is no comparison between those two
Rob, 2 Chainz is a feature on a bonus song for the album called Kyrie and Luka. DJ Premier produced it and it’s dope. Doesn’t fit the theme of the album but a great song and a dope Rakim sample
I like Em for the same reason, his ability and technique is mind blowing. I don’t like all his songs but he has enough great ones to fill a lengthy playlist. Em s the GOAT in my opinion, not necessarily my favourite but he is the best.
Fuel made me so hype, glad you agreed, JID snapped
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24:14 how the fuck did I miss that line? that’s amazing!
Your slow as shit
The pen was at work man that’s it that’s all godly work👨🏾🍳🤌🏾
Em is a national treasure
I agree that Em is a 🐐. I’m not the biggest fan, but I respect how he is a student of Hip Hop.
When Em said that on Houdini, there was a few people wishing eminem woud die.
Asking about why the fans still gives him a platform to talk shit and bla bla bla.
People always tried to cancel him. He probably invented this culture. The thing is... His fanbase is bigger than this cancel culture so its impossible for them to cancel Em. But they definitely tried
Like Em said on Chloraseptic Remix - "I Cut my MF Fanbase in half and still outsold you"
It’s not a classic or trash. It’s a good Eminem album. We haven’t had one of this caliber since the Eminem show
Agreed i think it’s a good album
Same conversation in another day. Nothing new were said. I am from Russia, and we love him here, from him i find out other rappers. Now i am listening Royce, King crooked, and many others.
His skills are all there and he’s flowing as good as ever. His storytelling and voices and characters is top notch. He just ran out of stuff to rap about so the content gets repetitive. I think I heard like 20 Caitlyn Jenner bars in there. But songs like Fuel, Temporary, and the outro are all great.
thats the point. slim shady is a gimmick that fails to grow up. the fans that kept wanting him back see how much of a facade he is. thats why even in guilty conscience 2 when slim made a deaf people joke, Marshall said go ahead, do your thing, sarcastically cos its immature. Eminem succeeded with the concept of slim shady dying.
@@gintoki_sakata__I feel you. But you can find RUclips comments from like 10 years ago of people saying “Eminem made that song bad on purpose cause he’s a genius” and it’s almost a meme at this point.
@@thescoobymike those were desperate fans defending him
This time eminem was removing the attachment people have towards eminem.
And the songs on this aren't bad. Many people, including non stans have different fav tracks. Some even like brand new dance, some like trouble, Renaissance is appreciated. Habits is also on repeat
Eminem is a lyrical KING!
Being smart in strategy of using some same ol concepts in regards to subjects and doing commercial hip hop to gain sales, is something he has to do. Why not boost your coins using a method that works?
Most those tracks I don't care for, because I'm into his deeper skill set as a true rapper, but get why he does it and he has an audience to cater to with that.
Album, did well at keeping it cohesive and sums up a slim shady era, if it is to end here for that alter ego. Wish were few more hard hitting bangers but it's a very solid project. Fuel is definitely THE ONE!
@@ThatBranB what's funny to me is that people praise Freddie Gibbs and pusha t for always rapping about coke and drug dealing
The album is dope. It’s just cool to not like Eminem.
Well said, it’s becoming trendy by non real hip hop fans to not like em.
I think hip hop has moved on from him.
It really isn't cool to hate on him though, that's what you would think if you live your life on the Internet, but the internet isn't real life. In real life where people actually have friends and fulfillment in their lives, people love em, it's the losers who only have the choice of being sociable behind a screen and creating a fake facade of themselves that make it appear as if their opinion holds any real weight in real life. They unite on the Internet and create the illusion that people don't like him, but it's really a small minority of people in reality
@@maxxmarino6500 People have their opinions on all artist in hip hop and Eminem is not above that. He's not above the culture and as a matter of fact hip hop has kinda moved on from him. We already know what he's gonna talk about before it comes out.
@@maxxmarino6500 He will get his views because he's in the greatest genre of all time but his time musically has passed.
You should review that Common& Pete Rock. Very dope album!!
I felt like a dope concept for this album would have been about the irony of not being canceled in real life. Slim Shady could of been the antagonist telling Em he lost his touch
However resulting in Em wanting to kill him to prove otherwise
Hi Rob! I didn't actually listened to the album (just the intro and habits) but i was looking forward to your video to see what to expect. When you mentioned Tragedy and gave some tips to what listen to i was like "yeah i'm in that 90's new york mood", so i started from TM 4118 and i'm in love with it, the beats are insane (Blood type probably my fav). The delivery it's so intense and have that hip hop taste that often modern rap can't reach anymore. If you can give me more advise on this type of new york albums i will appreciate it very much!
Capone & Noreaga “War Report” if you haven’t heard that. Cormega “The Realness” if you never heard that. Also Royal Flush “Ghetto Millionaire” is a personal favorite.
Glad you enjoyed the Tragedy recommendation.
@@RobMarkman thanks, i will take a look👍🏻
not a classic, too soon. Far from trash.
His best album since Relapse imo
Yeah that feels accurate. Though i really did like music to be murdered by
It was trash
Best album since recovery to me
It will never be a classic imo but, people seem to prop up any little thing Eminem does despite its mediocrity
@@JuanGuatemala73 it’s a solid 7 out of 10
Honestly, only listened to this twice but so far this might be his 3rd best album.
How would you rank em?
I would go
1. MM LP
2. Slim Shady LP
And this would be 3 for me,
I heard that we are supposed to listen to the album backwards and it will give us a better understanding I don’t know how true it is
For real? I didn’t hear that
@@RobMarkman yeah I read it in the comments section of a video about the album but I am not sure if it’s true i would take that with a grain of salt cause it is the internet but if you think about it when you go backwards from “Somebody save me” it’s a double meaning and could be a intro/ending of an album to “Renaissance” which can also be a double meaning and also used as a intro/ending to an album so in theory is Slim Shady dead?? Or is Eminem trying to help Slim grow up with him and “kill” the immaturity of the character cause when Eminem calls Paul and Paul replies “fuck you” you hear slim laughing in the background it’s very quick
Here is how the new story goes:
Somebody Save Me: Foreshadows Marshall’s death.
Guess Who’s Back: Hints at Slim Shady’s return.
Tobey: Reflects on failures and the return of Shady.
Bad One: Indicates Marshall’s job is done.
Temporary: A letter to Hailie hinting at his end.
Head Honcho: References the story of Ezekiel and creation day, symbolising the birth of Slim Shady.
Guilty Conscience 2: Slim Shady laughs, proving it wasn’t a dream.
Breaking News: Shady shows Marshall the chaos he has started.
Houdini: Paul thinks Marshall is on a tangent.
Road Rage: Slim dyes Marshall’s hair blonde again.
Fuel: References the Reaper coming.
Antichrist: Slim Shady’s darker thoughts.
Lucifer: Switches between Marshall and Slim, setting up the finale.
All You Got: Slim tells Marshall he’s nothing without him.
Evil: Slim fully takes over.
Brand New Dance: Slim mocks Marshall.
Trouble Skit: Slim drugs Marshall.
Habits: Marshall struggles while tied up.
Renaissance: Slim buries Marshall and spits on his grave.
He is floating the whole lp
I see this going 2 ways, where people actually begin to try to cancel Em or people actually become more open with what they want to say. Just give the album some time to breathe, we'll soon see it's aftershocks.
We’ll see. I honestly don’t think there will be any change either way.
Trouble, Lucifer and GC2 by themselves make the album. Ive never been a huge, mega Eminem fan. I liked his stuff back in the day when I was a kid. My name is etc... but I never got into his voice and gimmicks. But this album is EXTREMLEY good. The beats (in particular the songs I mentioned) are FIRE. Im so glad this album didnt feature that "Dre sound" (which I never liked) and that Eminem raps more fluidly. Not that hyper robotic mode that he developed since a couple of albums ago...
Also, If I understood you correctly. You and I enjoy rap for VERY different reasons. The "technical" part of rap is horrible (for me) SlaughterHouse etc... Therea no flow. Rap ahould ALWAYS have a nice, nasty beat and dlowing lyrics. Period. "Technical rappers" are basically reading a manifesto with aome background noise.
By the way, this should be Eminems last album. EVER. Its the perfect way to end it all. Murder/suicide.
For me, “classic” is anything timeless. If I can throw it in and rock to it in any era, it’s classic. But ultimately, it’s subjective.
People saying Em didn’t contribute to the culture is absolutely insane. Shade45 alone was 100x more then Jay ever gave back to the culture. DJ Premier has been getting CHECKS for years through Shade45, along with a LOT of other “hiphop relevant” artists.
Absolutely subjective
Honestly its an alright album.. It has good couple of tracks but nothing special.. i still feel he can make another classic but then again im not a rapper..
I completely agree, the protests and outrage wasn't there. People just turned off the record and said they didn't like it, and moved on. No outrage, no nothing.
Also, we know that he has a kid that's genderfluid (trans) so like he doesn't mean alot of the stuff he's trying to flare up. And the whole satire and separation between em and slim fails when half if not more of his audience want him to mean exactly what he's rapping about for 3/4 of the album. by the time of the turn at guilty conscience 2, the point feels tired. idk. def not for me.
Fair. You know I didnt know that about one of his kids being gender fluid. That went over my head. I completely missed that
Fuel got everyone goin crazy
I have to give a few more listens, but Fule and Trouble are 🔥 Trouble is mean and way! Too short . Fule Jid ate his food!!!! 🔥Lucifer is tough 💪🏾
You and just listening to the album invoked a thought bear with me. Concept of the album is either a movie or comic book whatever. Slim is getting him cancelled with in the story of the album and he kills him. He don’t really expects to get cancelled in real life because this album is for the fans. Maybe im wrong though and he actually expects real back lash from the album.
@@KIDKAOSwp10 you understood it ✊💯
Yeah i dunno. I also dunno that he expects real backlash. But honestly i really don’t know
It was solid not good or great cd💿 I still listen to it tho solid Content As Always Rob #Salute
This album reminded me of Chris Rock's and Dave Chappelle's last couple stand ups. They have good points here and there concerning cancel culture but they come off like old men yelling at the clouds.
Have you heard the bonus tracks?
Nah. Not yet.
SOO many people hate on Em who don't even know much of his stuff.... In many cases it's just RACISM
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I gotta disagree a bit there. Its like Eminem. only dr dre could bring out what em became. any other producer would have ruined it. Even with 50, it had to be Em and dre cos as you said, everyone was afraid of working with him. Sure he was great on his own, but he would have ended up as another great rapper like Elzhi, without any world wide exposure/influence
Nah 50 would’ve been bigger than Elzhi regardless. And that’s no disrespect to Elzhi but he was already touring off the mixtapes.
And also, music to be murdered by WAS an incredible album too
I really thought that was a good album too for sure
Another Classic Album in his Collection. Goat Status.
How would you rank his albums ?
@@RobMarkman Marshall Mathers Lp, The Eminem Show, Death of Slim Shady, Slim Shady Lp, Recovery.
Album is fire honestly, too early for the classic talk but far from trash… Em still got it
I feel you
That dvndwr dude is narrowminded. he basically in one sentence acknowledges that Eminem is a good rapper but Em is also not relevant to hip-hop culture? LMFAO what, how does that work??
He doesn't understand that for some people the main enjoyment is technical skill/schemes/wordplay/delivery. And that will ALWAYS be relevant to hip-hop culture.
Good rapping doesn't equal good music? Yes, it does, at least for me and millions of others. I can get goosebumps hearing Pavarotti sing, I can also get goosebumps hearing a good flow and delivery, regardless of any politics or motives behind it.
Turn it around, mumble rap and SoundCloud rappers were for a while very relevant to "the culture" Does it mean that that is good music, for some yes. But many can't stand it. It's the same old eminem doesn't make club bangers argument. And that's fine everyone looks for something different in an artist. But hip-hop culture and rap go faaaar beyond what's happening in a club. And if anything involves using the same old tricks, it's creating hit club bangers. Often formulaic garbage.
The album can be so many things besides a classic or trash. It’s basically saying that this album is just a piece of shit or it’s an all-time classic when in fact, most albums aren’t either there’s a lot of space between classic and trash. I don’t know if it’s a classic think you can tell if an album is a classic within the first week it is out. I feel like we have this discussion more and more in the past 15 years. Anytime one of the top tier figures, and hip-hop releases an album, everyone wants to call it a classic in the first 24 hours or you have haters that are going to hate it no matter what was on the album.
For me personally, I think it’s his best album since Recovery pretty easily. I would rank it as probably his fifth best album right behind his first three and recovery. I feel pretty comfortable putting this album there.
I really like Kamikaze and MMLP2, but this album was better than those. We just have to get past this mindset of albums, being trash or Classics, because most albums aren’t trash or Classics.
It’s a concept title for the video. Slim shady wrote it to help get me cancelled… but i agree with you, saying basically the same thing in the video
classic!
i went into this album expecting ASS and got FIRE. shocked!!
Are you a Eminem fan? Interesting that you were expecting trash and rank it a classic. Thats dope to have that type of listening experience
The ppl that say Em isn’t a goat they were not outside at the time. Those that were ain’t got Em know w what deal is
The Lucifer beat reminds me of Lloyd Banks south side story beat
Hiphop doesn't really see much cancel culture because hiphop heads aren't PC like that. We don't really care about the words they dont want said. If the fans dont care you can't cancel the artists and the cancel culture people know that.
Classic or Trash? Neither. Its a good Em album. Best thing since Relapse imo. Im not the biggest Em fan, but i definitely was for those first 3 Aftermath albums. This shit better than Recovery and everything since then imo. Good project.
Also, nothing is a classic until it stays around and matters for a decade imo.
Agreed. Good project.
I don’t think it takes a whole 10 yrs to determine a classic but i feel you.
I was being sarcastic with the title of the video