$50,000 Socata TB-10 Is A Great First Airplane
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In this video, We're going to check out the 1991 Socata TB-10. This is an airplane you don't hear that often in American civil aviation. It's a 4-seater airplane made by a French company. This should be on your list when picking out your first trainer or just want to build time. You can also use this plane to fly IFR. The Tobago has one of the best cabin room in the industry. I'll go inside the airplane to show you how spacious it is. Stay tuned.
Capacity: 4 people
Engine: Lycoming 180HP
Range: 650 miles
Speed: 140 mph
Price: $50k -$100k
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I remember checking out a Tobago on the ramp at Peachtree Dekalb airport when I was doing my PPL training back in 1988. I thought it was impressively modern compared to the C152 I was doing my training in. I sure wanted to own one, however, I was on a rental plane budget back then. Times have changed and I’m very happy with my fully restored 1978 Grumman Tiger. She comes back from the avionics shop in two weeks with a new panel and all the Garmin goodies !
Mike, I had to chuckle when you said "this is a very old airplane, I think it's a 1991 model"! This likely puts it newer than 95% of GA fleet :) It could definitely use some new upholstery as it's clearly been loved. Thanks for the tour of this bird!
Had to laugh too Sky. 1991 is just yesterday in the GA fleet. obviously Mike is a few years younger than you and I. I enjoy watching Mike's videos.
Lol, I'm not exactly old (44) but that comment really set me back 10 or 20 years. 1991 model is almost brand new.
Yeah I have a backhoe older than 91 case 580
@@killstic Which is going to last - how long?
I had a Tobago from 2008-2010 i put around 180hrs on it. I loved it. It would fall right in a short strip tail first. The first problem i had was it was very easy to get aft CG and it would make it nose walk real bad and make it ruff as heck in a nose wind. The dam annual was a killer. To dismantle and inspect was costly.
Excellent video. Thanks so much.
Tb9=160hp
Tb10=180hp
Tb200=200hp with injection (lastest version)
Tb20=250hp
Tb21=250hp with turbo
This is the plane I took my very first flight in! Same tail number and everything, at the Lincoln county airport in North Carolina 11 years ago! I’ve been following you for a while now and to see you reviewing a plane that I’ve actually flown it, let alone the first plane I ever flew in, the one that got me hooked! Just amazing
HI MIKE GREAT AIRCRAFT FROM FRANCE, IM IN AUSTRALIA AND DID MY TRAINING IN THE TB10 OUT OF PARAFEILD AIRPORT IN ADELAIDE SOUTH AUSTRALIA. CONFORT POWER AND SPEED IS GOOD FASTER THAN CESNAS PIPER AND OTHER TRAINERS CSU PROP GIVES YOU THE ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER TRAINERS THAT DONT SPEED IS 120-140 BUT HAVE SEEN CLOSE TO 150. SEXY PLANE LIKED BY MANY HEAR, WE HAD 20 AT OUR SCHOOL MAINTAINED EVERY 50 HRS. I HAVE SEEN THEM ADVETISED HEAR FOR AS LOW AS $ 37,000AND AT THAT PRISE WOULD BE GREAT SHIP TO OWN.. CHEER MOJO...
Why is this in all caps??
Thanks for covering this bird Mike, it brought back fond memories! This is the very first plane I trained and soloed in, and I was very lucky to be associated with an air center here in Colorado that had 4 of them, brand new! They were such a cool new design back then (arrived in 1986 in this neck of the woods) that I used to get all kinds of comments and questions about it especially when flying cross country and landing at other airports..........I still think it’s a great looking bird today, and as you have pointed out, it has a very smart, comfortable cockpit............would love to fly one again!
Hi Mike! Thanks for the long-awaited video! You hammered the right points, but you forgot a few important ones. This plane can actually seat, and are registered, for 5 PEOPLE!!!! (due largely to the car cabin config which you did mention), so it's a 3 small kids miracle aircraft! You should not compare the speed here to a Cirrus or DA40, but rather a Cherokee 180 or a Cessna 177. @180hp and 9.5gal/h fuel, I think the speed is descent! You did not speak about the weight capability, that is limitation, and the fact that this is a high-wing-load plane! I still believe there are many airframe design similarities between the Sling 4 and this one - Until Mike Blyth and the team come up with a Sling 5 (5 seater version), there is nothing in the world that can beat the economy of this plane for a family of 5 (3 small kids). You will learn the dilemma once kid no 3 is on the way ;). Video much appreciated, please follow up with a flying one of the TB-10! JP
Love your videos. I'm just getting into aviation and I'm learning a lot from you. Thank you for all of your efforts!👍
I have a few hundred hours on the TB10 and about 30 hours on the TB20, they are great aeroplanes. It’s direct competitor back in the day was the Piper Arrow or the C182. It’s biggest USP is it’s visibility, magnificent.
Did most of my Flight training in the TB-10. Wonderful aircraft with docile flight characteristics and ergonomic cockpit. Transitioned to the Trinidad but always have fond memories of the Tobago
Kind of a stretch to call a 91 an "old airplane" since basically everything else you've shown is even older.
Yup, I laughed at that.. My 47 Luscombe would be equivalent to the Ark to him
Lol, exactly.
They were build from 1975. It's kinda old, but not that old for planes.
@@steilkurbler4973 Not a big fan of euro planes and euro supply chain
This is the 21st century. 30 years is old.
A cosmetic restoration would really pimp this airplane out which it deserves. Back in its day, this airplane was nice, but there were never too many TB-10s around. Had to be at least three to four times as many TB-20s (Trinidad) in the air which were legitimately da bomb!
I flew two of these when they were brand new from the Edwards AFB areo club . Awesome plane. The cabin was the best. Rudders and alieron had a bungee interconnect. First plane i flew with gps back in the early 90's. Not very fast , if you pulled the prop back it actually slowed down. But i enjoyed my time in it after learning in 152's then a piper archer. Being brand new was super nice too.
When I lived in the UK I had a share in one of these (TB20) and flew it around Europe - very nice aircraft - to answer a previous post - yes it does have a cigarette lighter in there - it’s French after all😉
TB20 was fast and very spacious and quite slippery when letting down from an airway
I would thoroughly recommend it if you can afford one
I wish the owners would have taken better care of this aircraft. Just repairing the upholstery and cleaning the aircraft would make a world of difference. One has to wonder how well the mechanical’s were maintained when looking at the overall condition. Sad to see such a nice aircraft neglected with the red paint fading looks as if this was left out on the ramp for daily storage? 😞
That was so 80’s, it was 80’s when they built them in the 90’s. They did come in retractable gear as well.
It was built in the eighties, actually, and the TB 20, with retractable gear, is 250 hp, not the same aircraft.
Speed isn't so much the defining factor in a XCTY machine (although 175 mph+ would be a minimum speed).
More important is the wing loading --- something WELL over 15 psf at a minimum (18-20 psf being a better minimum). [absorbs turbulence better and is more stable and less gut wrenching]
((TB-10 is 19.5 == very good))
120kts is not impressive for traveling (but is doable)
Great i Will like to see that plane flying.
You are on RUclips, just find videos of this type flying. 🤷🏾♂️
Thanks
I just did a discovery flight in this plane. I liked it.
My dad rented one of these...lots of time spent with my dad in one of these
Nice! I'm currently training in the TB9 very similar setup. Thank you, love your videos!
How do you like it? Been looking at buying a cherokee but this is very interesting. Much nicer cockpit.
@@RyanGromfin It takes a little getting used to but it works well, feels sturdy and has two entryways. Its a good training plane!
The TB9 Tampico and the TB10 Tobago were available in the UK in the mid 1980's and I believe the TB20 was also. I have flown a few hours in the TB10 and found it to be relatively vice free with a reluctance to stall and gentle recovery. The performance as stated here was adequate with a slightly high nose attitude on climb out. Good first aircraft. The TB9 is the same thing just a smaller engine.
wish you could get any of these in the 50-100k range today :D
I had a 2003 Socata Tobago TB -10. Those planes are certified for up to5 passengers ( back seats have 3 seat belts). I had 3 small kids at the time so I was within weight limits. I then upgraded to the Trinidad TB- 20 that was HP with a 250 HP engine andretractable gear. Loved that plane, the TB- 10 was underpowered IMHO. They also made the Tampico which 160 HP ( I believe). fixed gear. The problem with this aircraft is that since they don’t make them anymore, airframe parts are hard to come by.
"The problem with this aircraft is that since they don’t make them anymore, airframe parts are hard to come by." Not really, I tend to disagree. Socata France still supports them. I am based in South Africa, so for me importing from France is actually cheaper (closer) than importing from the US. But for owners in the US it is of course strange to import from Europe. There are airframe parts suppliers still based in the US due them being supported from there in the 90's. Check out Socata.org if you are interested, strong community with lots of technical support on the forum... BTW - most engine/operational related parts are US brands anyway, such as for vac pump, fuel pump, Lycoming parts, etc, as used by Cessna and Piper.
Love the Tobago! Do my training in one at Hicks Airport in Fort Worth, great instructor also
Hey there. Who is the instructor/operator of the Tobago? I'm in FTW area and would like to check it out.
If I can loop this plane or aileron roll, it shall be mine. Thank you for sharing this.
I learned in a Tampico. They were comfortable but slow.
Thanks Mike! I did not know about this bird! What a great consideration for a first plane. It has a cool look and profile and performance for the price and what it delivers in cabin space and layout if well worth the investment. Go MojoGrip Go!:-)
That is a pretty cool plane. I to like the cabin of that model. I'm looking but got a ways to go. Thanks for the video.
Mike actually got the prononciation right. I am from To ago. Most people butcher the name.
I was just as surprised as you lol
Excellent. I like that one... I’m looking for a time builder. I’ve seen a few of these and will have to give it a close look. I’m a bigger guy and would definitely appreciate the larger cabin space.
You have to check for the more recent models, since the older ones don't have the adjustable seat, you'll have to recline the seat back because of the overhead...
Very nice very informative as usual. Looking forward to the next one
This plane is a trainer at kipj!! I'll be taking it up in a few weeks myself!
I was critical when you posted a video of a trashed out 210 and mentioned it would be a good first plane to easily get into. Now, this is different. Great looking bird. BTW, the Debonaire got offended when you called 1991 “old.” Ha
Lol well 91 is almost 30 yrs ago. That 210 has been flying btw.
Nice and cushy cruiser. Just need a paint job and the interior refinished.
Nice review. I'd love to have one of those. I always thought those were ahead of their time.
Beautiful plane. Thanks Mike!
Thats a good price point. Needs a bit of TLC but im sure its mechanically fit with minimal overhead/overhaul. Ofcourse you could easily dump 100k in the interior and avionics alone. And another 10k or so on a fresh paint if you just really wanted to bring it up to date. Excellent 1st purchase pending a good eyeing over from a reputable source.
P Body, $10k for paint? More like 15-18k from a reputable shop.
This was my very first airplane:TB10. 1987
Bro when are you gonna do a video on commander 114s you made a promise 🤣 keep going great content
I don’t think I have ever seen one in person. Would be cool to see a flight review
Hey Mike, great channel. I stumbled on your video a while back and I’ve been addicted to your channel since. Quick question, where can we see those planed for sale? The tobago airplane in this video, how can we get in touch with the seller? Let us know please
I think I might’ve found my aircraft.
That is a great first plane.
Seen some if them in france, this one seems older than others. The strange paint, the seats... probably one of the oldest ever imported.
Well, actually no, there are olders models, from, like, ten years before!
I remember the first ones (T9) replacing the Ralleys . For me as child beeing used to PA18's and Ralley's they were strange luxe, like a car and found that weird for a plane. They also didnt smell like a plane LOL . (who doesn't love the smell of a P18, the mixture of avgas, and dope of the fabric as soon as you poke you nose inside the plane?) . But they looked fast and after the Ralley series they were fast .
Beautiful plane ❤️
Is that a cigarette lighter?!!
Yes...Back in the eighties or early 90s both the FI and the trainees in my ATO were frequently smoking in the aircraft during long training nav flights... Another world...
HI! Are the SOCATA economic aircrafts? Safe I'm sure they are. Love the Epsilon Tb30! 😍
49 »width is very wide I can see updating the upholstery and fresh exterior paint this would make the plane ready to show at air shows.
The 1st thing I thought of when I saw the interior was "it looks like the interior of a car!", then Mike said the same thing.
Tes, exaclty, your passengers, when not used to fly, will really appreciate the interior compare to a lot of other aircraft, it will look like if they were in an actual car.
I've been looking at this plane for sooo long. Looking to my ppl and get a plane like this
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I’m definitely considering this plane after your review. Would love to know more about maintenance later. Any idea on the safety rating for this plane? Compared to a 172 is it comparable in distance and pay load weights?
Socata still makes parts, but at least here in the US there is a longer lead time for anything that needs to be sourced from France. I've flown a 172, TB-9 and TB-10. TB-10 is great for XC. However, the weight and balance can bite you. Two grown men and full fuel tanks will make it nose heavy without necessarily making it over T/O weight. Don't have that problem in the 172. That said, I can drain 20 gallons and enjoy a more comfortable ride - cabin is almost as comfortable as the Cirrus. Just need to stop sooner for gas.
@@brettstowell4029 great to know. We will have to make stops more often for bathroom stops with my nervous wife. I’ve been searching and the TB’s are probably out of my price range anyway after looking. I’m training in a 172 now and might just stick with a 172 for a while. Maybe a Piper Cherokee? We want to travel short XC trips in the Deep South.
It has a very good safety rating. You can check the BEA (bureau enquête accident, french NTSB) for the reports. The french civil aviation school use dozens of them since the eighties as the primary trainer for all training (from simple PPL to ATPL) and had a very low accident record on this plane, the same for the TB 20.
Looks like an old Vega.
Wow! Great price range..
Unique means "One of a kind". Something can't be "very unique"...
random question from long time viewer with zero flight experience....can GA pilots get life insurance? each policy I've obtained the application asks if I fly in a private plane or plan to in the future....keep up the great videos you're a great inspiration
Yes. It's even possible to get a preferred plan but the reason for your flying, your plane, your health and your experience will play into eligibility or price.
Yes Mike. I have one, and I was upfront in the application that I fly planes and ride motorcycles. Not so much motorcycles anymore but the insurance knows about my flying activity. As Andre said your general health will play a big factor.
Nice!
ques. ...... i'm 70 yrs old/young , .....
flown a few planes... when younger....
`54 beech-twin cargo &`64 beech-split tail...
might be ti8me to get actual certification/licence.
what might you see as the difficulties... at this age ?
I enjoy your videos but as a previous owner of a Diamond DA40 I am horrified at the comparison.
Mike is this plane for sale? If so I’m interested. I’m trying to buy my first plane. Any help would be great
I am also interested!
I don’t think it is. But I’ll ask
@@mojogrip Thank you
This model was launched in 1982.
Can you upgrade the instrument panel to a newer garmin? Like the one in your sling tsi
Of course. It will cost a pretty penny though
Thanks
Yes, all upgrades are possible, full IFR is even possible, even though it's a bit slow for "real" IFR...
I didn’t even know these exist
I was under the impression all the TB series Socatas were 5-seaters. Did this one not have a middle seatbelt in the back?
They are, but if you can fly five people (with minimum fuel) in a TB 20, it's much more complicated in the TB10, or those people should be kids. But 5 people is theoretically possible.
Walter Pepekay three would be kids (90, 70 and 40 pounds)
max mass on rear seats is 206 kgs, am I wrong with 450 pounds? But I must admit that I've never put three people, even kids, on the rear seats. Theoretically speaking, the max mass of the rear seats should allow three light adults.
Cool
where's a good place to find used planes
I spotted the two TSi beauties in the back and could not focus on the Tobago anymore... lol :-) :-)
Hi do you have to pay taxes on your earnings made on youtube
What is parts availability like?
Well, parts are available, but they're not cheap... But the aircraft is well built, and if it was correctly maintained, it shouldn't be costly. It could be costly if you have a big issue.
leavers or levers. LOL
Whose idea was it to pair a blue interior with a red, white and gold exterior?
1991 is an "old" airplane? The Cessna 1975 C-150M I soloed in 1975 is still flying. One of my buds flies a 1948 Cessna-C-140 (his day job is flying a B-737). Another buddy has a 1948 PT-17 Stearman (Boeing). It's so clean, that you can eat off of any part of the plane. To call an airplane "Old" means that it has passed the test of time. How many makes and models can claim that? Speed? Unless you're talking 120KTS (2-miles per minute) versus 180KTS-plus (3-miles a minute) who cares? Enjoy the ride - and the savings.
That trim wheel doesn’t look very comfortable.. cool plane though
Oh, it is comfortable, everything is in this aircraft, very easy to handle
It looks like a 30 year old Mazda on the inside!
My friend owns a TB-9 1996 IN TOP condition . I've flown it a lot ,very nice airplane he's selling it anyone interested in buying buy it ?
Searching for one to purchase... no luck yet. Anyone that sees this let me know.
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Hey I'm looking for a four-seater plane with around 150 to 180 horsepower. I fly out of cable airport. Would you let me know if you find anything?
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Was that a cigarette lighter next to the nose trim controls? I hope not.
It’s French so you know it is!
Of course it is, but you had to bring your ashtray.
Sorry Mike but, not a nice plane to own. I hear from previous owners that has owned them was complicated to find parts for them. A guy that used to be in the same Flying Club I was in said he couldn't find parts for his Tobago
Finding parts can def be a challenge since this is a European brand and it's not all that popular.
And the annuals are expensive - due to all of the inspections.
Great points, guys. Definitely something to consider when buying an airplane. We pilots seem to get hung up on fuel efficiency #s and tend not to consider parts, maintenance, and mechanics’ time. Those items can far exceed the difference between a 25 miles per gallon airplane and an 18 mpg airplane. Mechanics charge by the hour, so If you are on a budget, you don’t want to pay your mechanic to have to “learn” your unique airplane. It’s not a deal breaker with rare types, just something to consider.
@@mojogrip It is popular in Europe, and parts are available here, but I guess it's another story in the US...But it's Daher today, and parts are becoming expensive!
Please do your homework properly and tell us about maintenance cost as well next time when you review an airplane, thank you. !
how dog it fly
Like a cat 😉
way too slow