We NEARLY bought a V12 Audi Q7!!
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
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you should do some episodes checking out random cars at random dealers to show how you check a car properly before buying, i am sure would be useful for most of us because it's very hard for a "normal" person to spot some serious issues on the go.
So in the end they basically said "f**k off stop wasting our time, you don't know what you're on about" to twins who know ALOT about VAG diesels LOLZ!
Car dealers nightmare these 2 turning up 🤣🤣
Double trouble!
Sorry!
Another one of those dealers again Ryan! The cheaper one might be better as there's more cash left to get it right if it has issues. Would be good to see what these engines top out at horsepower wise.
Told you they don't take much finding!
@@DarksideDevelopments 🤣 very true 👍
That heated seat comment " i feel like i weed miself" 🤣🤣 so true i do that to any unsuspecting passenger all the time
Haha, yep - Here in Aus when it's 40 degrees celsius outside, and the passenger squirms like crazy even though the climate control is on 20. Heated seats can be fun.
Can’t wait to hear a v12 tdi straight piped 🤣 epic
Under boosting, K&N Filters, torque reading 20% above factory levels (see 1200nm on 14:55); I would have left this car as well.
Yeah crap map with no boost and dodgy turbos
I was looking at these just the other day and thought you may end up buying one. I think you should it would make a cool video and an engine we don't see enough of
It’s ALWAYS the dealers with the most impressive advertisements and nicest premises that you least expect it from that try to sting you... been done myself a few times by HUGE & well known companies.
I personally purchased a Audi TT from Ryan at Quality Cars Today . I can not fault it , my dream car .
Glad to hear it!
You can go offroad on mine by 40mph and in lift all the way up by 10mph it's a safe restriction if you go over 80mph goes automatically in dynamic mode by itself and the rest of the option are greying out
Dealers eh! I went looking for a clean Passat Estate early last year, trying to wean the wife off SUVs. Anyway found this one up in Ipswich, lots of talk up by the father and son team, until I found a receipt they had missed in the service book - for a gearbox swap! I dived underneath for a look - it looked like the wreck of the Amoco Cadiz ... RUN AWAY!!
Well spotted.
why is a gearbox swap a bad thing?
@@faxxzc on a two year old car!
@@DarrylKirby that means the trans is brand new, that's good no?
@@rubenbraekman4515 If a car needs a new gearbox after so few miles, what else might be worn or abused? nothing a used car dealer 6 month warranty is gonna cover!
Always good to hear the Yorkshire Twang on t'old RUclips.
I've recently bought a 320d e46 coupe, and once I've got this noisy blummin' crankshaft pulley sorted I'll have to pay you fellas as visit!
you lads have some amount of knowledge mind, when something just isnt right walk away is the golden rule, weve all learnt that in life. i hope you get one tho good luck 10/10
I do have a very soft spot for these Q7s. My mate almost bought one 3 years ago, until he noped out of it. Really hope you boys get one and push it to it's limits, would be an interesting watch for sure!
I have to comment about the twin situation, was confused as hell last video :D At least now I know I am not going crazy
True true the first time I just thought oh it's some video-trickery..
Before I got mine I was looking at that one for the longest time. It’s a shame they did not getting it spot on as 30k is a lot to spend on a car that is not 100%. That one is off any list
It would be sick if you managed to grab a V12. Always wanted to see the extent of noise you can get out of those things
So the two things wrong with it were a boost / vacuum leak and a slightly tired suspension compressor? That's pretty minor for a car like that, fixable for around 1-3% of the asking price.
My biggest annoyance with the V12 Q7 is that the gearshifts are deliberately detuned to prevent destroying the gearbox in a very short time. It shifts more like a manual, throttle-by-wire lifts off the throttle until the next gear is fully engaged before reapplying it. There's probably close to a second to be trimmed off the 0-60 time by deleting that feature, but you'll probably end up disintegrating the gearbox within a few drag runs.
£30K is a ludicrous price, though, by any measure. I bought a LHD one in Germany in November for under €15K.
Really does highlight the importance of knowing what you are looking at and doing, could have been 30 k plus the bill to put it right... feel sorry for the next owner
I'd love to own the V12 Q7 but ended up buying 4.2 TDI V8 Q7 instead and I love it, with a stage 1 generic remap it's fun to drive but I might pop down to see you guys to get it mapped properly.
The offroad and lift button only works when you are stationary due to safety reasons
Just shows that reading a good advert, write up. You must check out the motor and test drive. Before you buy . Hope you find a good one.
Massive over boosting, fairly low miler probably all clogged up. Best to walk away when un sure though
Any chance you could do a video on what to look for test driving a new car? What's most important things to log etc and quick guide on how to with vagcom
We can try to put something together
@@DarksideDevelopments this is an uderrated comment!
Darkside Developments would appreciate that as well!
If the cars a bag of s**t dont worry just get a burrito after to make yourself feel better 😆
Pretty shameful yet another dodgy dealer you've come across. And all the cars they have in there are all high end stuff.
I had a similar experience buying a truck, went to see a few jalopies before buying an amarok! Great wagons
So little infos about this Q7 version, i'd love to see you work on one. Shame that shitty car dealers are so common all over the world.
Its a V12 with a k+n sticker on. Its almost certainly spent most of its time mapped and theres a decent chance its been hammered with that too.
When its started to show signs its on the way (lower response/etc) they prob pulled the map off and traded it in.
The dealer is just chancing it. Hoping the warranty picks it up is a real bad way to do business and on a £30k car its disgusting.
I doubt the dealer would know tbh, but definitely could have handled it better
@@georgemarshall6657 I know of no dealer with premesis who wouldn't at least scan the obd along with the usual background checks. Thats basic practice these days - along with noticing a k+n sticker which should ring alarm bells anyway on a diesel. Its almost a guarantee its been mapped based on that alone. In itself thats not a problem but when you look at the mileage and age then add in that a mapped car will wear things out faster any dealer would start doing a lot of digging unless they just didn't care.
Warranty makes people not care.
@@siraff4461 I agree they would have done a scan, but that wouldn't have returned anything - the boys noticed by looking at the boost etc, something most dealers probably wouldn't do imo
Looks like it’s been taken down on E bay and Autotrader. Hopefully yo get those Turbos fixed and get it 100% so someone can get a good car for the 30k. Hope they do the right thing
No twins comments please *Pans camera* .......they look the same.
Do it do it do it. I said you should have a go at one of these a few videos ago. Big turbos and make a absolute torque monster and see if they can actually pull a jumbo jet 😁😁😁😁
Saw you in the Touareg near Meltham (start of the Peak District) a few days ago. Looks good in person 👌
my last car was a q7 3.0tdi loved it as a family car for the 7 of us but car hit into us at the lights they were coming though a red light the q7 was writen off so i got a bmw x5 worst mistake i could have made seats are crap ect compared but you live n learn shame about that v12 hope you have better luck with the silver one plus your have some spare cash left over 👍
In fairness, that pot hole on the parkway is horrible 😂
I was interested in an IS that dealer were selling earlier this year. Looked an honest establishment- glad I went elsewhere now!!
I havent even watched the video but you should have so I could continue to live vicariously thru you all.
I always thought that a mint engine bay was always hiding something fishy. Of course I'm not talking about car guys but more like the dealers etc... But my guy you just confirmed what I thought
i also recently picked up a v12 q7 with engine damage. I‘m going to do a full rebuild, probably with forged internals. i‘d like to see it go to 750 hp/1500Nm.
Was it cheap?
Darkside Developments yeah i paid 6800€ or around 6100£. it has almost brand new ceramic brakes, less than 9000 km on them. just those are worth what i paid for the car. glow plug 12 had oil on it, and the car said oil pressure loss when it happened and the engine doesnt turn, so i guess something happened to piston 12, either a ring or ring bar broke. Engine is almost out. Just a heads up, there is very little room for additional intercoolers. the car has 10 radiators as is, 5 for water, 2 charge air (left and right kidneys), a/c, oil and servo oil. there might be space for an additional intercooler in the middle,before all others, but getting it connected will be very hard, there is very very little space. That engine is humongous. You can‘t even turn the engine with a socket without uninstalling the fan shroud. You can follow my progress on insta if you want @gekko_performance
Came here for the Jct600 car sales reply 👀🙈🤣🤣
OMG this reminds me of the horror story when I got my mrs a V6TDI Q7 2 years ago.78k, 2 prv owners, full dealer history and an external warranty.
Inside & out car looked good, drive well but then I ran into all sorts of issues very soon after :(
Warranty company was useless (not worth the paper it was written on) dealer did sort out the earlier issues, but gave up after a few months (I say months as we had Abs issues, HVAC issues, inst cluster issues, turbo issues....i could go on)
Needless to say, the car is no longer with us
O how I wish I took my VCDS laptop with me (or even a basic reader) but I totally forgot.
It wasnt until I got home and performed a basic read I found the horrors that lied within.
Interestingly, i lived in one of the town featured on that show, “dust bowl.”
These motors are mental shame Audi stopped the production
What’s with the car dealers shoes 😂😂😂
About time you had some Q7 content😂 I love mine,although it’s only a poverty spec 3.0,nothing like that V12. By any chance is there anything you guys can do or provide for these,like coding through vcds or any under bonnet bits?
The k&n comment😂 same
I went to look at a golf mk4 pd130 he said it had a starting issue i arrived at night pitch black to find he had took the crank sensor out so the car wouldn't start 🤣🤣 put back in found the reason why he had done it it smoke pouring out and over running knocked 400 quid of the car 👍 put on trailer few hours putting turbo on cheap golf 150 quid 🤣🤣 thank you very much
Great video.... keep it up. Was offered a q7 v12 tdi many years ago at a good price from a mate of mines. No mean to offend v12 q7 owners but it just didn’t feel / give the fast sensation like the Touareg v10 does(could be down to the weight of the Audi). The cayenne 4.2 diesel s which shares the same engine in the d4 Audi A8 would be interesting to see on your channel. Also noticed the cheaper q7 v12 that was for sale on eBay was an ex press car....seen it before on auto car and top gear
Some of the parts in there i.e infotainment system steering wheel similar to my A6
Yea I noticed that 2 seems to be a lot like an a6 inside
They haven't been in many Audis if they don't know the glove box has a button.
When they bought my dads a6 Ryan did all the inspections and made the deal the day after he emailed an told my dad he wouldn’t be there to finalise the deal but Scott would look after us so we got there my dads like I thought he wasn’t available today I’m like that’s his brother he’s like the look spit dab an they talk same aswell 😂😂
This car must be top of the range if there's no handle for the glovebox 🤣 the puddle lights are a nice touch tho, I'll try get some and retrofit on my B6
It's on my c6 a6 lol
Sod the Burrito, get thisen FIVEGUYS! Always drop in there when visiting customers round corner.
Support local!
I'm a twin from Barnsley! Good stuff!
It is a good strong name 💪🏻
I was very surpriseed, They let you plug into it. Or didnt they know ?
We didn't hide anything but turn away if they won't allow it.
No way that’s worth 30k
Doesn’t let you go into off road mode unless your going slowly.
Yeah, same as Touareg!
Out of interest, do you guys not get many q7/touareg customers? When you got the touareg it was like a new experience for you guys it seemed, and the same again here. And not just the rarer engine options i mean. Just thought it was odd as the generic models of each are everywhere, but just wondering if they maybe don't come into the workshop? I guess most people are chasing power from golfs and the like.
We don't get (or didn't get) many V10 or v12s in. If we do the other lads normally drive them anyway.
That V12 TDI is epic
Good job you boys know what your doing with cars
To be fair, if a car dealer actually knew about cars and fixed up every one he tried to flip he wouldn't be in business for long. This is why an honest car salesmen is hard to come by, and when you do, they are ignorant to any issues the car has anyway! Bloody minefield buying cars
Yes, ignorance is bliss. We spend too much fixing issues on cars before selling them!
It's all well & good "us lot" saying buy this buy that. 6L V12 Tdi bloody hell fire not something to jump into, without a LOT of thought. Also the Ken & Nigel filters why not?
They've been known to cause turbo issues, premature wear etc.
@@JcMedia-rl9xx OH DEAR.....
Its a minefield out there lads love cars but hate buying them!i thought i knew alot but still got bitten with a 'mint' b7 audi 3.0 tdi...tale tale signs that i didnt pick up on...the shiny new 'coolant tank'...yep 30 miles in and the head gaskets leaked and the gunk filled it up lovely!ffs..got my money back thank god!
It's sad we have corrupt people out there lieing when selling a car. My fiesta 1.6 diesel the previous owner said he's down this and that but said he'll send off the recipients. Haven't got anything since so was a lier.
Also found that one of the injectors were leaking so spent £300 to get them all refurbed. Thankfully now I love the car and it's been reliable but God it really annoys me how people can't be honest
Hate them kinda dealerships
I’m sooooo jealous this is one of my dream cars 😭
excuse my lack of knowledge , why are the K&N's for the bin , just been advised to fit them on my Q7 4.2 Tdi
They Kill MAF sensors and let crap into the turbos. Just fit Stock
@@DarksideDevelopments thanks that's 140 euros saved , great advice , If I ever make it back to the county of my birth , I will get you to remap her , in SW France at the moment
Hope to see you soon!
Cannot beat a street food chef burrito!
My dream is put this engine in r8 , I don’t know why 🤷🏻♂️
wasnt there already one made by audi?
Wish some one would do this. The v12 would have been faster than the v8
There’s a Audi concept with this engine in.
Run it on red diesel lmao 🤣😆😂
@@ScottPC thats why we want it done
This things probably never been driven hard.
These things are rockets if good. I wouldn’t mind one myself.
I hate looking at cars at dealers , they usually not into the cars just the selling , it's the bullshit I don't like ,at least you didn't purchase a potential money pit .
I think the V8 would be a better bet. Loads of them out there, Q7's and A8's
I have one V12 TDI for sale in the Netherlands. All options and a very unique original color. Let me know if interested.
LHD won't work for us!
Think word might get around that there's these two guys going around buying cars armed with a laptop and a boot full of knowledge....oh dear the poor dealers...😂😂
Twin parkins aint fooled by any hot shot dealers excuse the twin comment ye know ye will get a twin comment anyways. lol that q7 seemed to ride like ass but it was gorgeous looking, a Q7 is my dream machine since the day they existed. most practical the most good looking and comes with some crazy performance. I remember watching the audi channel. maybe one day i'll own one but they probably get rare and full of issues.
Looks like a dealer to never buy anything from if this is their attitude. Thanks for highlighting this case.
Can you do a run down review on the burritos please?
Amazing. Worth travelling any distance to eat
Please get one, but don't just do a stage 1 tune like with the v10
We won't!
@@DarksideDevelopments okay, you got my attention now!
But can we expect a q7 in the future?
Very cool car. 6 litre V12 TDI. What the fuck was Audi thinking lmao
Is the V12 trans same as V8 ? I wonder how much power trans will take before going BANG 💥
A lot I bet, this has an improved version
Another goodie what was actually wrong with it was it not boosting properly???.
Dead turbo
Oh sh*t son. Didn't know VAG made a v12 tdi. Found my new dream 😂 wonder if it can tow two planes?!?!
So I found this.... ruclips.net/video/8nF-Tt1RfxQ/видео.html even one of the comments there says it all
Touareg can pull a 747. The Q7 should be pulling an Antonov 225
What software are you using to interpret the data into graphs?
MegalogViewer
So what was wrong with a car I couldn`t understand. Turbos are dead?
At least one was dead
@@DarksideDevelopments Ow, ok. Thank you
Been watching that cheaper one since it came on eBay, told myself if it is still around in Feb might go for it! head says 3.0 biTDI heart says Q7 V12 or Touareg R50! The Bentley is a W12.
Andrew Jay Barratt the 3.0 is a single turbo
@@faxxzc A6 all road has a 3.0 biTDI.
Andrew Jay Barratt i see, you mean the 313hp v6 in the a6. but afaik the 313hp v6 wasn‘t available in the Q7 4L. so i assumed you mean one of the normal 3.0 v6 plants.
@@faxxzc Ah yeh I didn't mean in the Q7, looking at V8/V12 in Q7, V10 in Touareg and the V6 in an Audi estate.
Andrew Jay Barratt i wouldn’t recommend the v10 tdi at all, it is terribly unreliable, the turbos usually only last 100.000 km (60.000 miles)
the cheapest touaregs and phaetons you can buy here in germany are the v10‘s
Don't they have carbon ceramic brakes? Don't imagine they'd be good for going off road.
Yes Carbon
Watch it near manor! It'll not have any wheels on if ya leave it 😂
Can you guys do a tutorial on how to get, and how to use VCDS for the layman, please?
You can buy them on our site and Rosstech who make it have the best guides!
@@DarksideDevelopments Thanks, will check it out.
Really enjoy the content lads,real interesting stuff,
I have an audi a6 avant 2.0 pd 140 BRE
The torsion value is -2.9°KW at idle.Is it worth adjusting the timing? The idle can be rough when it gets up to temperature, but drives spot on otherwise.
Be great if you could give us a quick reply.
Cheers.
I'd adjust to +1 and check exhaust cam is pinned to it
Lovely,
For the exhaust cam timing I've seen the fuel consumption on measuring block 15 being used to determine that the timing is correct,its meant to be between 0.4 - 0.6 l/h.
Is this a good indicator for the exhaust cam timing?
What's theory behind binning the k&n air filter ?
They kill turbos, as this car showed
was the v10 touareg sagging in the beginning? I thought you guys changed the valves to fix it?
Not done the valves yet, will do bodylift at same time!
Dat S2000 next to it tho :D
Merry Christmas.
For £30k you would expect a car error free. Glad you guys put the sign of business in the video so people can hopefully see it and avoid them like plague if that's how they choose to sell cars 👍 not a good way to get a reputation for the business selling a car with known faults (now you have pointed them out) and letting warranty sort it after
Dealer did say his Dad was talking rubbish but I had to complain first
Nice one Ryan. Sunday Funday. What actually happened I didn't quite get what you said at the end? Sounds like you dodged a bullet though!
Dead turbo
@@DarksideDevelopments I was gonna say it didn't seem earth shatteringly fast for a v12 turbo derv.
Didnt realise you had a twin brother lol
Since birth! Haha
What is it you used to monitor how it was acting on the road? Is it a VCDS/Vagcom cable with different software?
Just a log viewer
If I manage to find a well maintained V12 6l TDi, what would you suggest as a fair market price for it..?
Pretty rare to find them but if there are any clean ones, they usually sell for around £30,000 - £40,000
@@DarksideDevelopments that's way more expensive than a comparable (year & mileage) 4.2 TDi..rit..?
How about maintenance cost..? is it going to be significantly more expensive than 4.2/3.0..?
@@DarksideDevelopments And, how easy it will be, to get it serviced..?
This is not @ all common, so what I meant was, would it require technicians with expertise & exposure to the V12 unit..? or anyone familiar with TDIs can service it..?
Yeah, we'd expect them to be more expensive than the 4.2/3.0 in terms of maintenance. Familiarity with TDI's helps but better if they know their way around a v12
Thats why the ad said " it will be serviced by Audi prior to sale "
Crooks
Hopefully a service includes 2 turbos. But it won't even get a test drive!