If you need suggestions for a story to cover to celebrate, there is a story about a DM that is a Crab fetishist, among other things. I don't have the link but I heard about it through Sir Knox's reading
Regarding: _" Why do they not just leave? "_ Some people are truly held hostage by their own feelings and they cannot just leave a universe they have invested in. So it is always a pity to see some cringe DM 😒 ruin everything for childish, maincharacter syndrom. I too lost an RPG forum over a decade ago to... well... _"stuff happening"._ It was not D&D and I will not write what happened. But ma~n the parallels are so real man.
If your DM has - A power complex - Makes up rules to give themselves an advantage - Accuses others of cheating when they do well That is not your DM that is Seto Kaiba
I’d have thought “Is president of a multi-million dollar corporation solely in the business of enriching the experience of a children’s card game” would have been a requirement, but lol anyway.
@@stickytim64 Except when he did cheat, it was usually the most egregious thing I've ever seen. I will forever believe that Kaiba literally pulling Obelisk the Tormentor right out of the Earth itself in Dark Side of Dimensions was the most 11/10 bullshit thing ever.
Remember Kids: Couple abuse is A Okay if you're doing it for the sake of teaching a problem player a lesson, instead of just kicking them out and being done with it. 👍 *_-CritCrab_*
Projection is definitely a thing. Good folks who want to play fair generally assume others want that too, and it takes a ton of evidence to convince them otherwise. Even then they may still want to believe the other person is just 'misguided' or something, and not malicious. Malicious folks who will do anything to get an advantage? They absolutely assume everyone else is doing that too.
"You're cheating. I am incapable of cheating because I make the rules. If I want to win and didn't, I just make up a rule that says I did. Cheat immunity." Uh, that's not how that works...even games abide by their own rules. As the DM, you are the game.
That Girl: Has main character syndrome, dictates the entire campaign as DM, shows favoritism towards herself and her members, has a HUGE grudge against the OP enough to go into a whiny fest when OP rolls are in their favor and manipulated so much stuff to make sure she comes out on top. Ignores the fact that the majority has called her out on her BS of bullying, manipulation, and overall ruining the campaign for a lot of people. Also That Girl: Why doesn't anyone like/want to play in my story?!
As an DM in discord, i made my characters MC, but not bc of ego or something, All campaings i played before ended with all players fighting over who was the strongest and the most influential, so i made an MC to be the best in the topic, if the story was about Paladins, the MC would be the strongest Paladin so no contest would happen.
@@novomundo7559 Do your characters participate? or are they like retired adventures that show up if needed? If first one: I get your motiv but it still sounds stupid (or lets say unfair)
One way to resolve a massive two-party PvP contest would be for the BBEG to reveal themselves as setting it all up as a way for the heroes to gather more artifacts for them to steal from both parties, forcing the heroes to work together and stop the BBEG. Basically, any way the typical "heroes vs heroes" goes in the comics.
That's definitely the smoothest way for it to go. Especially if you keep them as separate sessions for each group minus days they clash and have inaccurate recountings of events to build animosity for each other until things go down and it becomes "join up or we're all screwed."
You could also make the two groups work for two different ogranizations working under the same authority. They will try to outdo the other to gain favour, but in the end they will both be preparing the realm for BBEG's attack. Granted, this leaves out them trying to kill each other, but I for one think that's a good thing. After all, a king or some such might look the other way when the parties bruise each other up, or steal from their opponents, as long as he gets results and there's no proof, but murder is too serious an offense for that. For the finale you might make the winning team deliver the final blow to BBEG, or play a more important part in the battle, so they feel rewarded. The losing team will still get a chance for a moment of glory for themselves though, and all will be hailed heroes afterwards. Feel free to chime in with suggestions about this idea, or point out its flaws!
@@CritCrab faster crabmeat! Faster! Inject the cringe into my bloodstream! (Seriously nice job on the video today turn out great didnt expect a video to pop up as soon as I finished part one)
Steel Fist after the campaign is over: Why aren't you interacting with us? It's what our characters would've done. Other players: Well this is what our characters would do. Steel Fist: *shocked pikachu face*
So hard to envision staying inside this. No D&D is better than actively antagonistic D&D. I would have tried to split off the second group into another game within the same world.
The poster says in the saga why they stayed; it was one of those old-timey internet forums, back when connection was 56K/dial-up, internet forums were small in number, and finding new communities took a lot of searching and experience with search engines (this was way before Google appeared, btw). I mean, they said this was the era of Netscape Navigator, and if you remember that, congrats, you're old! (like me 😮💨) Leaving a community back then was a much different issue than it is now.
100% after seeing so many stories like this it's because OP just drummed things up to make it seem like hell without tryin to come up with a made up reason other people stayed while it was hell. This entire saga reeks to high hell of OP just magically omitting the shit they did to spurn this kind of thing. Not to say that DMs like this don't exist but 9/10 with rpg horror stories like this its just a pity fest story that conveniently omitted any wrong doing that OP had done.
@@shadiafifi54 not at all, they didn't even have to change forum. Come on, OP just needed to private message/email his "Camp", and start a new thread. BTW I don't believe for a second that the time setting is true, I lived that period and how OP narrates things he hasn't a clue on how things really worked. What they were doing, a conference MSN call? Also isn't a bit early for Bleach? It got published the first time in 2007 in the US, dial up was dead by a long time then
The power of anime isn't necessarily bad, but it's like the Dark Side of the Force. The more you use it, the more it changes you to make you wanna use it more. It should be reserved for sidequests, finishing blows, and crits. Like that time I got a fatal crit on a politician's bodyguard and described my attack as me cutting him in half so fast that he didn't fall down until I put my sword back in the sheathe.
I feel like this is getting EXTREMELY out of hand. Not only has Sierra gone out of control and is overreacting to everything, but she is making what is supposed to be a fun TTRPG into a complete nightmare, and also endorsing bad behavior.
2:30 *5?!?* They’re only level *5!?!* The fact that they *ever* got into combat with a group of level *15 pc’s* is objective proof that she wants them to lose, let alone multiple times. That kind of power difference is reserved for “we need to get the hell out of here” encounters, which are not at all about fighting and more about escaping with your life. The fact that she actually made them fight is fucking absurd. I don’t think it’s actually *possible* for a group of level 5’s to beat a group of level 15’s unless the DM created a way for it to happen. So I’d just straight up ask: “how do you want us to beat them, Sierra. Because if you’re having us fight them, then you *must* want us to win. But we can’t do that unless there’s some mechanic we can use that I’m not seeing. So just tell us what it is.” And when she can’t answer that say: “then that can only mean you want us to lose. And if the GM wants us to lose then there’s no point to play.” And then I’d just spend the rest of the time in character insulting the edge lord pc’s until she proves my point by bullshit killing my character. Then I’d just leave
The problem with that approach is it uses logic, exposes how she thought, and vilifies her. She is obviously an emotion-based person, compared to a logic/ reasoning/ thinking person. So when she's publicly humiliated she will crack harder than Azula, because she's wrapped up into how she feels about someone or something and at the moment.
Just reading the title makes me groan. I’m weeb extreme, but unless the DM says otherwise, I’m not going to make everyone suffer by unleashing the most extremely saturated anime shit I can think of like Moses sending forth the blights towards Ramses
I always like having anime fans at my tables. Weebs tend to be REALLY good at flavoring their spells/attacks with interesting descriptions and original uses. I tend to discourage using characters that already exist (like I'd prefer you don't play a reskinned Naruto) but if someone's willing to work with the party and share the spotlight, they can go full anime in character creation if that'll be fun for them. I once homebrewed a "unicorn druid" class circle/race combo for a girl who wanted to play a magical girl who could turn into a unicorn. She was incredibly fun to play with.
@Qoi Pond Exactly! I love it when the table has a collective understanding of anime and knows how to flavor things. It can also be really funny reference wise. Example: Occasionally, I flat out make a character sheet of an existing character from a fandom I’m into and have it ready for shits and giggles. I do this mainly because I LOVE role playing as other characters. For a short one-shot, I literally made Tohru Adachi from Persona 4 since it was just a little side story from our main one. It wasn’t over the top though (used a standard class with no special additions) and I had gotten approval beforehand, which is what I think should be done in instances like these. In the end, everyone was memeing about how after it was over, my character be thrown in jail (they forgot to do so afterwards and in the next session of our main campaign, I had my actual non-anime character reading a newspaper with the headline ‘convicted serial killer on the loose’).
The Steel Fist members being shocked when other characters don’t want to interact with them anymore really gets me. It’s vitally important that all DMs make sure to teach their players that IC actions have IC consequences. You can’t just stab a guy in the gut and be surprised when he gets mad at you. Players should expect realistic reactions to their actions and actually THINK before they do something. Otherwise, it all becomes a mess of a power fantasy.
Sierra and co. experienced what we in the business like to call "Fucking around and finding out." Just blows my mind how people think they can act like absolute trash to others and then expect those people not to hate their guts.
@@rocketraccoon1976 I guess you'd have to be incredibly out of tune with how anything in society works to expect your terrible behavior to be forgiven without a shred of remorse from your end.
Or Jackie Chan Adventures for the item hunt aspect, lol, even Danny Phantom or Pokémon could work for that if each ghost/ Pokémon held a different item.
@@Undomaranel Great recomendations. But I still prefer Xiaoling. Those others don't have the same "duel for the artifact" that xiaoling does. They have to literally duel for that thing AND bet previous artifacts with them. That ups the scale
Sierra is basically a killer DM with a grudge and deserves to be permanently booted from the DM chair. Also, kind of funny that the campaign had an anime set up and then we got to see the favorite anime point; the turn around for the side of good with the side of evil starting to lose with the big bad trying to pull some complete bullshit to ensure victory
Yes! Always say that’s how your character would react! I’ve seen plenty of gatekeeping stories where a player doesn’t like a race or class of a player and kills them to force a player to roll up a new character. The correct response is to have the rest of the party ostracise them for their “sudden bout of murderous insanity”. Have them realise that they just killed someone’s out the blue for no reason, and the party that often sleeps near them completely defenceless might take exception with that
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I could see this working, and thought of a viably - satisfying ending: no matter which side has the artifacts, both sides converge on a very important locations. With all artifacts in one place, the entity(ties) that created these artifacts are summoned into the area. The factions the have a choice: band together and face the corruption; or run and let the entity(ties) be the BBEGs of the next campaign.
idk how some people don't take these events personally. Life is tough enough without someone actively trying to your ruin your past time when you're trying to relax and have fun. I would have tried to kick her out of the group or left myself. Too often do i see people staying in toxic environments against their better judgement.
@@Pachitaro Another option is that, being one of the server's oldest members along side Bravo and the Leech, He was trying to save it from impending doom.
It's funny cause Sierra wanted to be the "main character" and transform the OP's character and it's allies to the BBEG, but if anything it only made OP go through a MC transformation and training montage being "the last line of defense" and bouncing back when all seemed lost. In my eyes the MC is OP and BBEG is Sierra
The idea for this game actually reminds me of something I've been wanting to do for a while. Get two groups. Have one be a heroic group trying to take a stand against an evil empire while the other plays the rising heros of that empire. Run it as a war campaign where they take over the territory of the other side. It eventually ends in a massive battle between two high level parties. Seems like good fun
I was running a game with two parties, both in the same world. They had regular crossovers, but usually they ran on different saturdays. The more the story went on, the more they found each other on different sides. So I had to write a whole arch to basically come up with a bigger evil so both faction would have to work together, thus having a way to reconnect the two teams on the same page. But I first let them battle it out, before the BBEG ruined the fun. So the losing side could rise from the ashes and got the first hit in, wich made them feel less beaten. In the end both teams reunited and the campaign went on for another two years, where the teams started to rekindle. That worked pretty well.
My guess is either Sierra became overly possessive of the DM and intentionally tried to split the group during her power trip, or she genuinely didn’t think that giving half the table a massive advantage while turning the campaign into party vs party would create animosity. I said this in the last video but even with 5 years of world building and playing, I would have walked out at Echo’s drastically changed character with no real reason other than “She’s in the other group and it’s part of my story”, because player approved or not, it’s bullshit to show clear favoritism. Sierra didn’t want to tell a story, she wanted a new campaign with a smaller party without putting in the effort to make one.
The fact they think it's water under the bridge is just wow..... Is anyone getting the feel of the terrible trio is treating their friends like npcs? I wish just explain further but I'm just so curb stomped mentally at these players through process
@@TheSOGchronicles I play with a group that uses a homebrew DBZ spinoff and it's pretty fun! Anime and DnD can mix pretty well if you do it right I suppose.
Anyone else find it funny how every time there's a horror story featuring an OP mary sue character, the crab king always uses SAO characters as a thumbnail? First it was Kirito, now Asuna 😂
Remember Kids: Couple abuse is A Okay if you're doing it for the sake of teaching a problem player a lesson, instead of just kicking them out and being done with it. 👍 *_-CritCrab_*
Not even JUST the PvP plus artifact angle, but the whole 'give up your principles and bid yourselves to an entity for power, becoming twisted versions of yourselves' thing sounds epic. Like if a pure good character did it for a good reason and slowly became more unstable mentally for their crimes. Then some managing to shake off thye evil and doublecross the entity. Then the heroes managing to pull a massive swing from a losing position and get back in the game. Cliche maybe, but awesome.
I use DMPCs on occasion. But they are typically comic relife, or maybe make a basic attack or cast a utility spell occasionally. But they are never used as a marry sue or to progress the plot. In fact they are usually oblivious to the going on's in the surrounding world and silent unless spoken too. Sidekick style
Weirdly, this video gave me inspiration for a narrative where the archnemesis levels up with the party, learning and gaining experience by discovering what protagonists are capable of. (This would obvis happen in the background)
I am always very skeptical of anime themes in any D&D/fantasy game. Unless the entire theme of the game is manga-centric. I've seen far more problems and problem players with that than not. Usually this can be weeded out in a session zero.
the thunderdome part was unironically awesome. squaring up in a losing matchup, giving it your all against impossible odds, and somehow beating them for an epic blade clash... id be on the losing side of that any day, i guess as long as this particular dm wasnt there...
Now, don't get me wrong, I love Bleach cuz it was the first anime I ever watched. It's got childhood nostalgia attached to it. That being said... No matter how much I love the show, I'd never do THIS nonsense.
How to give the losing team a satisfying ending: Everyone has a motive for collecting the artifacts, but in their journey they learn of alternative ways to achieve their goals. So the winning team gets the glory, the losing team can still fulfill their endgame goals.
i think i cracked the nut on the pvp issue: make the players start out against eachother, but unite them with a common threat and let them share the rewards. maybe the being they're summoning with the artifacts is evil? something along those lines.
I will say that the good thing to come out of Sierra's story is now I have inspiration to potentially make a group of villains for my own online dnd group to meet, get taunted and annoyed by, and then kick the asses of said villains when they're ready. I always find that characters like this make great villains
I have no clue if this would be able to fulfill the suggestion at 8:35 , but a couple of my friends have run and played in war campaigns in which they played characters on both sides. Switching characters every couple of session, and actively fighting against their own progression on the process. So you technically always won. I saw this happen in two different completely separate campaigns with two groups of people that didn't know each other, but on both occasions, the players seemed to really enjoy it.
And that's why my group and I always play by thinking first about collective fun. Playing to the detriment of someone else's fun, or of the campaign in general is simply unthinkable, unforgivable and also a war crime.
I can’t imagine the Dm, or even a co-dm actually playing a pc and that being fair. Like yes, sometimes a story or a style of dm-ing can work with an npc that works similarly- but they should be there to help the players and support the story- not… this…
whenever a player gets it in their head that they are the main character. i can guarantee a draco lich is coming for them. Maybe an evil wizard who managed to enthrall a beholder to do HIS bidding. perhaps a mindflayer, using illithid tadpoles to take over a whole tribe of regenerating trolls. some thing is going to kill "the main character" RULE #1 about D&D. YOU ARE NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER, EVER.
3:45 that’s a line that means the game is over, everyone should leave. That sequence of words can not exist in a good DM’s vocabulary. Players can’t be doing “too good.” There’s no such thing! Maybe encounters can be under leveled for the party, but there’s no such thing as a player “doing too good.”
If your party is too powerful for your encounters, then you can rebalance them, But that’s not an issue of them being “too good.” Because DM’s should want their party to have fun, first and foremost. And most people don’t have fun losing. So a party is never doing “too good” instead: you, as a Dm, are not providing an adequate challenge. Saying they’re doing “too good” typically comes from a mentality that “the party is the problem because they shouldn’t be as powerful as they are.”
I still look forward to finding a group even if its like this. When I play with my buds we rely on a script 🤣 A script looks and must be completely different than a dm making it up and adjusting as it goes. Good vids crab ❤
Hey there Crit Crab, I don´t know if it is interesting or not, but I was running an somewhat close concept abventure like that and have maybe a solution for the "loosers" Problem, cause I ran this (over the course of 3 Years) with the same group so the "loosers are also the winners". If u have a group ur playing with, like weekly or so, just let them start "2 campaigns" One with really good and ur typical heroes Characters, and one with likewise greyish more bad characters. U play one week the "Good Group" and one Week the "Bad Group" (btw. my players didnt realise they played the "same" campaign from 2 different perspectives for over a year xD and there was an EPIC Char Battle at the end). And than u interfere (sry anglish is not my native language) drop by drop, but u dont reveal the villains for the campaign until the LAST BATTLE, we played it in Arcane Codex so there a real Battle Rules for really large armys and the "Good army" leaded by the good char met the "bad army" leaded by the bad char at the last stand, where the artifacts have to been taken to use them properly, so even one group has not All the artifacts everyone know, that the artifacts from either side would be brought there to activate them and thats were the Battle and campaign ended. It was awesome to watch as my players finally realized that they were battleing against their own second char and all their allies they have made and it all built up to this Moment. And even a few of the char died, they were all risen (in the epilog and aftermath in Offtime) to literally gods of their own worshipments, one of my players, good char was a tiny fairy beating his, undead troll (bad char) at the end with dexterity magic and wits but after his dead, the dark and evil deitys raised him upon, to be the new god of Blood and war. ;) Have Fun with this concept everyone ^^
Have done the artifact collection saga before with at least a 2v2 group. It does take a lot of planning and getting people on the same page, but it evolved naturally due to character motivation than any OOC divination. The campaign was short only because their main guide, an intelligent sword named 'Bastard', was used in a climactic PvP fight which ended in the death of a PC. The group thought they needed 4 artifacts (each element) but didn't know the twist that Bastard represented the 'metal' artifact and was the final judge. The sword's only request was to never be used to kill any living being, but having that decree broken the 'victor' was cursed forever, becoming a BBEG to the next group if PCs.
The game itself reminds me of a campaign a couple years ago. Four kingdoms form an alliance to combat a big bad, a representative of each was tasked with traveling the lands to find additional resources, info on the big bad, anything that could give the alliance an edge. But. Politicians be bad, so each rep was secretly tasked with doing whatever it took to make sure their kingdom came out better than the others while not getting caught doing so. It got.. pretty wild by the end. Fun campaign
More of Steel Fist should be like the guy who refused the massive exp bonus because he recognized that he only got it due to massive manipulation in his group's favor and he doesn't wanna win like that. That guy knows the value of an earned victory. That right there shows you who enjoys playing and who only enjoys winning. Obviously, everyone enjoys winning, but it means so much more if you earned your win.
I could actually see the hidden timer being a really good subversion of expectations, provided it’s done well narratively. It reminds me (And this trope is done all the time, this is the only case I can currently remember atm) of an episode of the She-Ra reboot, where they spend the episode interrogating someone, trying to find out the time and location of the next enemy attack, only to find it already happened while they were doing the interrogation.
8:33 Perhaps I have an idea. just before the end battle against each other, their fighting each other awakens an ancient god/monster or something and they have to join forces to save the planet. or maybe they didn't know what would happen if they had all the artifacts in close proximity to each other and that brings in a giant monster/god they have to work together to defeat? there would probably be a lot of kinks to work out but it could be a good starting point if someone wants to use it.
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Regarding: _" Why do they not just leave? "_
Some people are truly held hostage by their own feelings and they cannot just leave a universe they have invested in.
So it is always a pity to see some cringe DM 😒 ruin everything for childish, maincharacter syndrom.
I too lost an RPG forum over a decade ago to... well... _"stuff happening"._ It was not D&D and I will not write what happened. But ma~n the parallels are so real man.
We love to see it! Mad congratulations as well. Your content has given me countless hours of entertainment and taught me about the dnd community
If your DM has
- A power complex
- Makes up rules to give themselves an advantage
- Accuses others of cheating when they do well
That is not your DM that is Seto Kaiba
I’d have thought “Is president of a multi-million dollar corporation solely in the business of enriching the experience of a children’s card game” would have been a requirement, but lol anyway.
“Fire whoever designed these characters, Kiaba Corp PC’s shouldn’t die so easily.”
Funnily enough kaiba did the least cheating compared to yugi and joey. There is a youtube video on it.
@@stickytim64 Except when he did cheat, it was usually the most egregious thing I've ever seen.
I will forever believe that Kaiba literally pulling Obelisk the Tormentor right out of the Earth itself in Dark Side of Dimensions was the most 11/10 bullshit thing ever.
@@AlexR-ATG Or the power of his friends on his side
"If she's not leaving in tears, you're failing your peers." CritCrab
This got me pretty good 😂
A new take on she belongs in a streets XD
It's good advice
This could be a villain's line
Remember Kids: Couple abuse is A Okay if you're doing it for the sake of teaching a problem player a lesson, instead of just kicking them out and being done with it. 👍 *_-CritCrab_*
Sierra: *Accuses OP for Cheating*
Also Sierra: *Actively Cheats and neglects to explain rules beforehand.*
Sierra: It's not cheating if it's "legal"
Everyone else: Yup that's cheating.
Projection is definitely a thing.
Good folks who want to play fair generally assume others want that too, and it takes a ton of evidence to convince them otherwise. Even then they may still want to believe the other person is just 'misguided' or something, and not malicious.
Malicious folks who will do anything to get an advantage? They absolutely assume everyone else is doing that too.
Projection and hypocrisy.
It’s amazing how often those two traits coincide.
"You're cheating. I am incapable of cheating because I make the rules. If I want to win and didn't, I just make up a rule that says I did. Cheat immunity." Uh, that's not how that works...even games abide by their own rules. As the DM, you are the game.
@@TonySamediwhy did you explain how I felt when my ex girlfriend drifted before she broke up with me?
That Girl: Has main character syndrome, dictates the entire campaign as DM, shows favoritism towards herself and her members, has a HUGE grudge against the OP enough to go into a whiny fest when OP rolls are in their favor and manipulated so much stuff to make sure she comes out on top. Ignores the fact that the majority has called her out on her BS of bullying, manipulation, and overall ruining the campaign for a lot of people.
Also That Girl: Why doesn't anyone like/want to play in my story?!
As an DM in discord, i made my characters MC, but not bc of ego or something, All campaings i played before ended with all players fighting over who was the strongest and the most influential, so i made an MC to be the best in the topic, if the story was about Paladins, the MC would be the strongest Paladin so no contest would happen.
@@novomundo7559 Do your characters participate? or are they like retired adventures that show up if needed? If first one: I get your motiv but it still sounds stupid (or lets say unfair)
One way to resolve a massive two-party PvP contest would be for the BBEG to reveal themselves as setting it all up as a way for the heroes to gather more artifacts for them to steal from both parties, forcing the heroes to work together and stop the BBEG. Basically, any way the typical "heroes vs heroes" goes in the comics.
That sounds like the big Justice League/Avengers crossover event comic
That's definitely the smoothest way for it to go. Especially if you keep them as separate sessions for each group minus days they clash and have inaccurate recountings of events to build animosity for each other until things go down and it becomes "join up or we're all screwed."
Once i tried to make an two party division on a Medieval RPG, but since the group hated both of masters they created a third 💀💀
You could also make the two groups work for two different ogranizations working under the same authority. They will try to outdo the other to gain favour, but in the end they will both be preparing the realm for BBEG's attack. Granted, this leaves out them trying to kill each other, but I for one think that's a good thing. After all, a king or some such might look the other way when the parties bruise each other up, or steal from their opponents, as long as he gets results and there's no proof, but murder is too serious an offense for that.
For the finale you might make the winning team deliver the final blow to BBEG, or play a more important part in the battle, so they feel rewarded. The losing team will still get a chance for a moment of glory for themselves though, and all will be hailed heroes afterwards.
Feel free to chime in with suggestions about this idea, or point out its flaws!
Holy shit putting out two videos in less than 24 hours?! Quite impressive of ya. Remember to take breaks.
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. Luckily, busy crab is happy crab!
@@CritCrab faster crabmeat! Faster!
Inject the cringe into my bloodstream!
(Seriously nice job on the video today turn out great didnt expect a video to pop up as soon as I finished part one)
@@TheSOGchronicles Don't let Drake find out about Cringe injections. He might try to steal it all from you for his own collection!
@@solarchos4352 its already in my blood if drake wants my cringe hes gonna need a vampire if he wants this cringe
Take breaks or go to crab jail!
Steel Fist after the campaign is over: Why aren't you interacting with us? It's what our characters would've done.
Other players: Well this is what our characters would do.
Steel Fist: *shocked pikachu face*
So hard to envision staying inside this. No D&D is better than actively antagonistic D&D. I would have tried to split off the second group into another game within the same world.
Yea, aside from future story content idk why some people put up with the stuff they go through. It’s so easy to get up and leave
The poster says in the saga why they stayed; it was one of those old-timey internet forums, back when connection was 56K/dial-up, internet forums were small in number, and finding new communities took a lot of searching and experience with search engines (this was way before Google appeared, btw). I mean, they said this was the era of Netscape Navigator, and if you remember that, congrats, you're old! (like me 😮💨)
Leaving a community back then was a much different issue than it is now.
100% after seeing so many stories like this it's because OP just drummed things up to make it seem like hell without tryin to come up with a made up reason other people stayed while it was hell. This entire saga reeks to high hell of OP just magically omitting the shit they did to spurn this kind of thing. Not to say that DMs like this don't exist but 9/10 with rpg horror stories like this its just a pity fest story that conveniently omitted any wrong doing that OP had done.
@@shadiafifi54 not at all, they didn't even have to change forum. Come on, OP just needed to private message/email his "Camp", and start a new thread. BTW I don't believe for a second that the time setting is true, I lived that period and how OP narrates things he hasn't a clue on how things really worked. What they were doing, a conference MSN call? Also isn't a bit early for Bleach? It got published the first time in 2007 in the US, dial up was dead by a long time then
OP: *Doesn't comply with Cierra's cringe*
Cierra: "This is going into the Book of Grudges".
*A certain Red Dragon suddenly shows up. * "Did somebody say _CRINGE_ ?!"
@@solarchos4352 I am coming for your hoard Drake. Watch out you overgrown lizard.
@@solarchos4352 This is gold
@@LegoPrinceOfAllSaiyans No, what would make it REAL comedy gold is...
...the Pillar Men theme starts playing when it happens.
*Book of Grudges?!*
I hear Urist the Dwarf cursing out Elves in the distance...
Most people would have quit, this dude stuck around to pour gas on the fire and purge the disease. The hero we all need.
"You are a rot, a cancer, a plague eating and the heart of this world. To holy fire I consign you, traitor."
-That player (probably [hopefully])
In my group sometimes we say: "We belive the Power of Anime" for funnsies but Sierra is becoming the "That Girl"
More like she became the Daenerys Targaryen of DMs
@@solarchos4352I have watched/read got. Wasn't Dany liked at some point?
The power of anime isn't necessarily bad, but it's like the Dark Side of the Force. The more you use it, the more it changes you to make you wanna use it more. It should be reserved for sidequests, finishing blows, and crits.
Like that time I got a fatal crit on a politician's bodyguard and described my attack as me cutting him in half so fast that he didn't fall down until I put my sword back in the sheathe.
@@josh-oo One thing for the laughs and other thing is taking seriously with taking anime train without irony.
@@falxblade1352 Yeah, just like Sierra was before the whole team versus team campaign occurred
I feel like this is getting EXTREMELY out of hand. Not only has Sierra gone out of control and is overreacting to everything, but she is making what is supposed to be a fun TTRPG into a complete nightmare, and also endorsing bad behavior.
Some people get a small hint of "power" and let it go completely to their heads. (see; managers, discord moderators, and youtubers)
@@CritCrab does this get better or worse in part 3?
@@magolor152 you'll have to wait to find out
@@magolor152 Oh it gets worse. There's a second story that focuses on that called "RPG Hell: The War"
@@solarchos4352 oh lord... I hope it ends on a good note
2:30 *5?!?*
They’re only level *5!?!*
The fact that they *ever* got into combat with a group of level *15 pc’s* is objective proof that she wants them to lose, let alone multiple times.
That kind of power difference is reserved for “we need to get the hell out of here” encounters, which are not at all about fighting and more about escaping with your life. The fact that she actually made them fight is fucking absurd. I don’t think it’s actually *possible* for a group of level 5’s to beat a group of level 15’s unless the DM created a way for it to happen.
So I’d just straight up ask: “how do you want us to beat them, Sierra. Because if you’re having us fight them, then you *must* want us to win. But we can’t do that unless there’s some mechanic we can use that I’m not seeing. So just tell us what it is.” And when she can’t answer that say: “then that can only mean you want us to lose. And if the GM wants us to lose then there’s no point to play.” And then I’d just spend the rest of the time in character insulting the edge lord pc’s until she proves my point by bullshit killing my character. Then I’d just leave
Casting vicious mockery without using spell slots. I love it
The problem with that approach is it uses logic, exposes how she thought, and vilifies her. She is obviously an emotion-based person, compared to a logic/ reasoning/ thinking person. So when she's publicly humiliated she will crack harder than Azula, because she's wrapped up into how she feels about someone or something and at the moment.
@@Undomaranel the point isn't to make her reasonable, it's to prove to everyone else that it's BS.
@@Undomaranel let her crack. When she escalates you have a clear excuse to remove her outright without causing too much drama with the other players
@@blakchristianbale this
Just reading the title makes me groan. I’m weeb extreme, but unless the DM says otherwise, I’m not going to make everyone suffer by unleashing the most extremely saturated anime shit I can think of like Moses sending forth the blights towards Ramses
I always like having anime fans at my tables. Weebs tend to be REALLY good at flavoring their spells/attacks with interesting descriptions and original uses. I tend to discourage using characters that already exist (like I'd prefer you don't play a reskinned Naruto) but if someone's willing to work with the party and share the spotlight, they can go full anime in character creation if that'll be fun for them. I once homebrewed a "unicorn druid" class circle/race combo for a girl who wanted to play a magical girl who could turn into a unicorn. She was incredibly fun to play with.
@@GrimmDelightsDice Balance and healthy restraint in all things, essentially.
Ooh, The Prince of Egypt? I love that anime! /j
@@evangedeon2194 HAH.
@Qoi Pond Exactly! I love it when the table has a collective understanding of anime and knows how to flavor things. It can also be really funny reference wise.
Example: Occasionally, I flat out make a character sheet of an existing character from a fandom I’m into and have it ready for shits and giggles. I do this mainly because I LOVE role playing as other characters. For a short one-shot, I literally made Tohru Adachi from Persona 4 since it was just a little side story from our main one. It wasn’t over the top though (used a standard class with no special additions) and I had gotten approval beforehand, which is what I think should be done in instances like these. In the end, everyone was memeing about how after it was over, my character be thrown in jail (they forgot to do so afterwards and in the next session of our main campaign, I had my actual non-anime character reading a newspaper with the headline ‘convicted serial killer on the loose’).
The Steel Fist members being shocked when other characters don’t want to interact with them anymore really gets me. It’s vitally important that all DMs make sure to teach their players that IC actions have IC consequences. You can’t just stab a guy in the gut and be surprised when he gets mad at you. Players should expect realistic reactions to their actions and actually THINK before they do something. Otherwise, it all becomes a mess of a power fantasy.
“The Emperor protects” line made me grin like an idiot, lmao.
“No-skill, railroading sack of garbage.”
With all due respect to the Crab Lord, I’m pretty sure that a dumpster still smells bad after it’s roasted
I would tell Sierra to apply cold water to the burn, but no cold water gonna heal this burn
@@RawrX32009 I'm pretty sure that if you poured water on Sierra, she'd melt like the wicked witch of the west
Ha! I was just rewatching the last one. Bless me oh crab with the horror story to fuel me through this evil mountain of dishes.
Glory to the brave RoseKoneko! I wish you victory against such a trecherous task.
Sierra and co. experienced what we in the business like to call "Fucking around and finding out."
Just blows my mind how people think they can act like absolute trash to others and then expect those people not to hate their guts.
Narcissistic sociopaths can act like trash and not understand why other people hate their guts.
@@rocketraccoon1976 I guess you'd have to be incredibly out of tune with how anything in society works to expect your terrible behavior to be forgiven without a shred of remorse from your end.
Just make a RPG of Xiaoling Showdown.
This is basically the 'group vs group race' you want
Or Jackie Chan Adventures for the item hunt aspect, lol, even Danny Phantom or Pokémon could work for that if each ghost/ Pokémon held a different item.
@@Undomaranel Great recomendations. But I still prefer Xiaoling. Those others don't have the same "duel for the artifact" that xiaoling does. They have to literally duel for that thing AND bet previous artifacts with them. That ups the scale
Pirates of Darkwater.
Sierra is basically a killer DM with a grudge and deserves to be permanently booted from the DM chair. Also, kind of funny that the campaign had an anime set up and then we got to see the favorite anime point; the turn around for the side of good with the side of evil starting to lose with the big bad trying to pull some complete bullshit to ensure victory
DM of the Airship campaign: FINALLY! A worthy opponent, our battle shall be legendary!
I was just thinking of that 🤣
Perfect timing! Just finished part 1!
Same!
Yes! Always say that’s how your character would react! I’ve seen plenty of gatekeeping stories where a player doesn’t like a race or class of a player and kills them to force a player to roll up a new character. The correct response is to have the rest of the party ostracise them for their “sudden bout of murderous insanity”. Have them realise that they just killed someone’s out the blue for no reason, and the party that often sleeps near them completely defenceless might take exception with that
Remember our important takeaways from last video, you need to make sure your significant other knows their place by showing them how insignificant they are
Make sure they're the insignificant other.
IF SHE ISNT LEAVING IN TEARS, YOURE FAILING YOUR PEERS
What was the last video?
“FOR THE EMPEROR” Barbarian on terra during the unification wars
Nice reference, Firefly is peak
I could see this working, and thought of a viably - satisfying ending: no matter which side has the artifacts, both sides converge on a very important locations. With all artifacts in one place, the entity(ties) that created these artifacts are summoned into the area. The factions the have a choice: band together and face the corruption; or run and let the entity(ties) be the BBEGs of the next campaign.
I so want to see part 3. I’m so hoping we get some tasty catharsis.
idk how some people don't take these events personally. Life is tough enough without someone actively trying to your ruin your past time when you're trying to relax and have fun. I would have tried to kick her out of the group or left myself. Too often do i see people staying in toxic environments against their better judgement.
I'm guessing OP stayed to farm reddit karma. That's the only explanation 🤣
@@Pachitaro Another option is that, being one of the server's oldest members along side Bravo and the Leech, He was trying to save it from impending doom.
It's funny cause Sierra wanted to be the "main character" and transform the OP's character and it's allies to the BBEG, but if anything it only made OP go through a MC transformation and training montage being "the last line of defense" and bouncing back when all seemed lost. In my eyes the MC is OP and BBEG is Sierra
His soldier story is actually pretty badass when you considered he essentially fought against the odds to at least be on par with the OP crowd
Having read the entire story, I'll just say, what a wild ride.
Thanks boss. I needed the wrap up story. Only had to wait 24hrs. Maybe less. Keep em comin and thanks for the entertainment.
The idea for this game actually reminds me of something I've been wanting to do for a while. Get two groups. Have one be a heroic group trying to take a stand against an evil empire while the other plays the rising heros of that empire. Run it as a war campaign where they take over the territory of the other side. It eventually ends in a massive battle between two high level parties. Seems like good fun
I was running a game with two parties, both in the same world. They had regular crossovers, but usually they ran on different saturdays. The more the story went on, the more they found each other on different sides. So I had to write a whole arch to basically come up with a bigger evil so both faction would have to work together, thus having a way to reconnect the two teams on the same page. But I first let them battle it out, before the BBEG ruined the fun. So the losing side could rise from the ashes and got the first hit in, wich made them feel less beaten. In the end both teams reunited and the campaign went on for another two years, where the teams started to rekindle. That worked pretty well.
My guess is either Sierra became overly possessive of the DM and intentionally tried to split the group during her power trip, or she genuinely didn’t think that giving half the table a massive advantage while turning the campaign into party vs party would create animosity.
I said this in the last video but even with 5 years of world building and playing, I would have walked out at Echo’s drastically changed character with no real reason other than “She’s in the other group and it’s part of my story”, because player approved or not, it’s bullshit to show clear favoritism. Sierra didn’t want to tell a story, she wanted a new campaign with a smaller party without putting in the effort to make one.
This is a real Heracles getting attacked by Hera moment
The fact they think it's water under the bridge is just wow.....
Is anyone getting the feel of the terrible trio is treating their friends like npcs? I wish just explain further but I'm just so curb stomped mentally at these players through process
This story turned into "average anime watcher vs dnd enjoyer" real fast.
anime fan- "Did you know People die when they are kil-"
Dnd player- "SHUT UP ALREADY! IDC THAT YOU LIKE NARUTO!"
average, I'm a Hard Core anime fan and this is bullshit
@@theisekaiking2399 Yeah but it is about a anime watcher not a fan so you are not in the same area as them so that is why you can see the bs.
@@TheSOGchronicles I play with a group that uses a homebrew DBZ spinoff and it's pretty fun! Anime and DnD can mix pretty well if you do it right I suppose.
@@robotratsrb2152 any idea if done right can work im just making a joke :P
Was not expecting a multipart video saga for this story, but I'm here for it.
Girlfriend: Don't f**k with me, I have the power of God and anime on my side!
I'm hopeful that we'll get to see the Bravo redemption arc
I got an ad right at the perfect second
“Just for this dm to say- WHOPPER WHOPPER WHOPPER”
I never knew crit crab couldn't get beyond Thunderdome
Two DMs enter, one DM leaves. CAGE MATCH~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone else find it funny how every time there's a horror story featuring an OP mary sue character, the crab king always uses SAO characters as a thumbnail? First it was Kirito, now Asuna 😂
12:14, ok but listen, cat-girl ichigo?
"I'm the main character, and you have to like me" -Will Wood 2022
WIlL WOOD MENTIONNNN???
So excited for another saga. Been awhile since we had one and I am /INVESTED/
Oh just finished the previous video, hit refresh, boom on silver platter steam crab
Just as the divine crab foretold...
So close to 300k crabs! Let's go!
I'm just imagining cat-girl emperor of mankind sitting on the golden throne, while Bobby G just looks at him, confused.
That girl just become villain in anime right there
And the funny part is that most villain think they are the hero of the story
Remember Kids: Couple abuse is A Okay if you're doing it for the sake of teaching a problem player a lesson, instead of just kicking them out and being done with it. 👍 *_-CritCrab_*
Never expected to be here so soon, love ya vidyas
Not even JUST the PvP plus artifact angle, but the whole 'give up your principles and bid yourselves to an entity for power, becoming twisted versions of yourselves' thing sounds epic. Like if a pure good character did it for a good reason and slowly became more unstable mentally for their crimes. Then some managing to shake off thye evil and doublecross the entity. Then the heroes managing to pull a massive swing from a losing position and get back in the game. Cliche maybe, but awesome.
Congrats for the 300k crabking! Always enjoying your content!
Actually lost my mind over Cat Girl-Ichigo. HELP.
Love your DND stuff! We bought the Crab plush and love it!!
I use DMPCs on occasion. But they are typically comic relife, or maybe make a basic attack or cast a utility spell occasionally. But they are never used as a marry sue or to progress the plot. In fact they are usually oblivious to the going on's in the surrounding world and silent unless spoken too. Sidekick style
The clash between Bravo and OP's characters unironically went hard!
this seems like an amazing concept! a pvp faction warfare seems amazing
now I just need friends
"The random numbers are not random in my favor! You're cheating!"
Weirdly, this video gave me inspiration for a narrative where the archnemesis levels up with the party, learning and gaining experience by discovering what protagonists are capable of. (This would obvis happen in the background)
I am always very skeptical of anime themes in any D&D/fantasy game. Unless the entire theme of the game is manga-centric. I've seen far more problems and problem players with that than not. Usually this can be weeded out in a session zero.
the thunderdome part was unironically awesome. squaring up in a losing matchup, giving it your all against impossible odds, and somehow beating them for an epic blade clash... id be on the losing side of that any day, i guess as long as this particular dm wasnt there...
Congrats on the 300k subscribers Lord of the Shores! Keep up the great work and here's to 500k in the near future!
Now, don't get me wrong, I love Bleach cuz it was the first anime I ever watched. It's got childhood nostalgia attached to it. That being said... No matter how much I love the show, I'd never do THIS nonsense.
GF: This is my anime!
Chad: Are you sure about that? 😎
That RPG Hell war is gonna be something!
How to give the losing team a satisfying ending: Everyone has a motive for collecting the artifacts, but in their journey they learn of alternative ways to achieve their goals. So the winning team gets the glory, the losing team can still fulfill their endgame goals.
i think i cracked the nut on the pvp issue: make the players start out against eachother, but unite them with a common threat and let them share the rewards. maybe the being they're summoning with the artifacts is evil? something along those lines.
Here to Crab, got to Crit. A good afternoon, indeed.
I will say that the good thing to come out of Sierra's story is now I have inspiration to potentially make a group of villains for my own online dnd group to meet, get taunted and annoyed by, and then kick the asses of said villains when they're ready.
I always find that characters like this make great villains
Indeed, they do.
I have no clue if this would be able to fulfill the suggestion at 8:35 , but a couple of my friends have run and played in war campaigns in which they played characters on both sides. Switching characters every couple of session, and actively fighting against their own progression on the process. So you technically always won. I saw this happen in two different completely separate campaigns with two groups of people that didn't know each other, but on both occasions, the players seemed to really enjoy it.
It's satisfying to see OP and party actually stand up for themselves and call BS immediately
we appreciate your hard work! thank yooy
Wait I saw the creator of this comment on a critcrab video saying to go to this exact Reddit story!
All I could think of was "wow, this reminds me of Xaolin Showdown"
Still gotta say I love OP's character the idea of a high tech soldier in a lost realm
also, Warhammer WOOOOOOO! 15:34
awesome - are you going to go through the entire 3-4 part series the OP put up on reddit? it's a wild ride and definitely worth it
Do you have a link or the title for the post? I keep looking but I can't find it.
@@Aquietviewpoint if Critcrab doesn't end up doing videos of the whole thing, I will. Don't think its fair to steal his thunder
Yay! The 2nd part, I need to make some popcorn.
At least there's no pedophilia or zoophilia. When I have to say that, you can see how far these stories can fall
Idk if it’s just me but why is OP so obsessed with themself. Like the ‘highlight’ was their fight and they we the main guy. I mean give it a rest.
All parties involved sound incredibly insufferable
And that's why my group and I always play by thinking first about collective fun. Playing to the detriment of someone else's fun, or of the campaign in general is simply unthinkable, unforgivable and also a war crime.
Crabs for the crab, crabs!
I can’t imagine the Dm, or even a co-dm actually playing a pc and that being fair. Like yes, sometimes a story or a style of dm-ing can work with an npc that works similarly- but they should be there to help the players and support the story- not… this…
whenever a player gets it in their head that they are the main character. i can guarantee a draco lich is coming for them. Maybe an evil wizard who managed to enthrall a beholder to do HIS bidding. perhaps a mindflayer, using illithid tadpoles to take over a whole tribe of regenerating trolls. some thing is going to kill "the main character"
RULE #1 about D&D. YOU ARE NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER, EVER.
"The Emperor Protects" just cracked me up
3:45 that’s a line that means the game is over, everyone should leave. That sequence of words can not exist in a good DM’s vocabulary. Players can’t be doing “too good.” There’s no such thing!
Maybe encounters can be under leveled for the party, but there’s no such thing as a player “doing too good.”
If your party is too powerful for your encounters, then you can rebalance them, But that’s not an issue of them being “too good.”
Because DM’s should want their party to have fun, first and foremost. And most people don’t have fun losing. So a party is never doing “too good” instead: you, as a Dm, are not providing an adequate challenge.
Saying they’re doing “too good” typically comes from a mentality that “the party is the problem because they shouldn’t be as powerful as they are.”
Please insert obligatory why don’t you like my character meme
I still look forward to finding a group even if its like this. When I play with my buds we rely on a script 🤣 A script looks and must be completely different than a dm making it up and adjusting as it goes. Good vids crab ❤
In the words of RDJ in Tropic Thunder "She went full anime, you never go full anime"
Sometimes I worry that I'm a pushover as a DM but then I remember that this is the alternative and I trust my players anyways.
Hey there Crit Crab, I don´t know if it is interesting or not, but I was running an somewhat close concept abventure like that and have maybe a solution for the "loosers" Problem, cause I ran this (over the course of 3 Years) with the same group so the "loosers are also the winners". If u have a group ur playing with, like weekly or so, just let them start "2 campaigns" One with really good and ur typical heroes Characters, and one with likewise greyish more bad characters. U play one week the "Good Group" and one Week the "Bad Group" (btw. my players didnt realise they played the "same" campaign from 2 different perspectives for over a year xD and there was an EPIC Char Battle at the end). And than u interfere (sry anglish is not my native language) drop by drop, but u dont reveal the villains for the campaign until the LAST BATTLE, we played it in Arcane Codex so there a real Battle Rules for really large armys and the "Good army" leaded by the good char met the "bad army" leaded by the bad char at the last stand, where the artifacts have to been taken to use them properly, so even one group has not All the artifacts everyone know, that the artifacts from either side would be brought there to activate them and thats were the Battle and campaign ended. It was awesome to watch as my players finally realized that they were battleing against their own second char and all their allies they have made and it all built up to this Moment. And even a few of the char died, they were all risen (in the epilog and aftermath in Offtime) to literally gods of their own worshipments, one of my players, good char was a tiny fairy beating his, undead troll (bad char) at the end with dexterity magic and wits but after his dead, the dark and evil deitys raised him upon, to be the new god of Blood and war. ;)
Have Fun with this concept everyone ^^
Have done the artifact collection saga before with at least a 2v2 group. It does take a lot of planning and getting people on the same page, but it evolved naturally due to character motivation than any OOC divination.
The campaign was short only because their main guide, an intelligent sword named 'Bastard', was used in a climactic PvP fight which ended in the death of a PC. The group thought they needed 4 artifacts (each element) but didn't know the twist that Bastard represented the 'metal' artifact and was the final judge. The sword's only request was to never be used to kill any living being, but having that decree broken the 'victor' was cursed forever, becoming a BBEG to the next group if PCs.
The game itself reminds me of a campaign a couple years ago. Four kingdoms form an alliance to combat a big bad, a representative of each was tasked with traveling the lands to find additional resources, info on the big bad, anything that could give the alliance an edge. But. Politicians be bad, so each rep was secretly tasked with doing whatever it took to make sure their kingdom came out better than the others while not getting caught doing so. It got.. pretty wild by the end. Fun campaign
More of Steel Fist should be like the guy who refused the massive exp bonus because he recognized that he only got it due to massive manipulation in his group's favor and he doesn't wanna win like that. That guy knows the value of an earned victory. That right there shows you who enjoys playing and who only enjoys winning. Obviously, everyone enjoys winning, but it means so much more if you earned your win.
I could actually see the hidden timer being a really good subversion of expectations, provided it’s done well narratively. It reminds me (And this trope is done all the time, this is the only case I can currently remember atm) of an episode of the She-Ra reboot, where they spend the episode interrogating someone, trying to find out the time and location of the next enemy attack, only to find it already happened while they were doing the interrogation.
8:33
Perhaps I have an idea. just before the end battle against each other, their fighting each other awakens an ancient god/monster or something and they have to join forces to save the planet. or maybe they didn't know what would happen if they had all the artifacts in close proximity to each other and that brings in a giant monster/god they have to work together to defeat? there would probably be a lot of kinks to work out but it could be a good starting point if someone wants to use it.