Man, you really always have high HRV readings. My are MUCH lower. Almost always under 30, sometimes single digit readings. And I do IE VO2max training 10% of training time, 10-15% SwSp and 75-80% Low intensity in 6-day training weeks. Even if you are doing much Low Intensity training, isnt it a bit too hard?
Please could you tell me what type of app/programme are you using to check all your zones and when you are in the green or the red?? Also, does zone 2 training transfer between the sports, like skiing to running to biking? Thanks!!
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wait, what? you aim to pull 230W and i guess that's an speed of 35/36kmh? i weigh 127kg and with 230W i don't even go 30kmh. i'm so fucking not aero :( makes me sad to know. but also makes me excited to realize once i'm at 80kg i'm flying to the moon like a rocket with my power. lol
Thanks for the vid. Though I also train following this method it is important to understand it is A method, not the only method. I am very interested to see how you progress. Especially since I am aiming to swim a 1:05 and bike around 220-240 watts in Roth this year. Good luck with your training Taren
Thanks for the breakdown and importance of zone 2! I ride fast, get injured, ride fast, get injured! Think it's time to hold myself back see if that works on me getting consistent which I think is key word. Do you have a name on the spreadsheet we can follow our HR? Thanks in advance, keep up the inspiring work👍
Hi taren. A bit surprised by your choice of cork. I race it last year. Great location, fantastic crowd but but ready for a real tough unpredictable race. Water WILL be cold. 13d most. Ride is really challenging. I raced Wales twice before. Similar. The run will be easier than Wales but keep in mind. cold and windy. I won’t race cork again but many more IM. I will be tracking you and hoping you make it. 9:15 is a no no in cork. But you need a third place. Would be closer to a 9:40. Good luck.
Agreed. Not a good course for a good time and bad for race comfort. You'll need to focus on what position you attain within your age group, because going for 9:15 in Cork is colossal
I can’t tell you how much I disagree with everything you just said. Building a base of speed and then building volume in the race training phase is the way to get faster more efficiently. Just laying down hours and hours at zone 2 will #1 risk injury as you suffered from regardless of the willingness to pull in HRV data #2 make you really good at going slow. That long and slow work should be reserved more so for closer to race day and speed work in the offseason. This isn’t my opinion it’s based on 15,000 athletes worth of data over 10 years on tridot.com
Thanx for another great vlog...wanted to ask which device do you use to measure your HRV? Also it seems there is quite some variation in different devices/apps. Appreciate the insights.
I am trying to build my aerobic fitness for almost three months now, but its really hard for me run so slow that my heart rate stays in zone 2... Even at 7min/km my heart beats about 145 times per minute on flat terrain. Am I just too impatient or is there a chance that I am doing something obvious wrong?
It could be just being impatience... try to ignore yr pacing... just enjoy the surroundings n listen to music... that's what helped me when i was facing the same issue as u...😊
I’m with you. I try to keep the pace slow but 7min/km feels like I’m crawling and hard to see the benefit of moving that slowly. I tried it for a couple of months last year, didn’t see any real progress so I abandoned it. I wonder if it applies to those of us who are so far out of conditioning.
Mike Mosby Since I am a relative strong cyclist don't think it has something to do with overall condition. Maybe we are really just to impatient... I mean, I already could see small improvements. When I started to run with such a "low" heart rate I wasn't even able to get under 160 BPM.
@@johannes99h This may be bad advice but I received it from an Ironman so take it as you wish...she has the same problem (as did I) and just does her best to maintain a 'base' pace, i.e. as slow as you think you'd reasonably run (say 7-8 min/km even). After enough conditioning at this pace your HR will likely come down, but even if it doesn't (some people just have different HR) you're better off working slightly above zone 2 rather than being forced into basically walking. Hope this helps!
Ryan Mix Thank you, thats something I already thougt about a lot. I am able to run 6:30min/km just above Z2, maybe I should try that more often. I don't know if thats normal, but I completed my first half marathon last year with an average heart rate of 190 BPM in just over 1h 40min. For me it didn't feel too hard, but more experienced runners told me that my heart rate is way too high and I shouldn't even be able to hold that pace for so long... That may prove your point. Another tought: All of my latest runs were between 0 and 10 degree Celcius, perhaps my body doesn't like that temperatures and is working harder than it should.
I wouldn't say it is "really unreliable" When you are doing large volume you get a very clear picture. Do things like sleep and temperature impact HR? Yes! Does it also impact RPE? YES! It should impact it, because those are factors that you need to take into account when you train. Do those factors impact power on the bike? Nope...so should I push through all those factors just to maintain a certain power? I guess it depends on what type of training we are following, that's the point.
HR isn’t unreliable over time as long as you use a chest strap and aren’t sick or something but depending on the device and method for tracking HRV that could be very inaccurate and wrong. For example, garmin offers the ability to track it on the watch but you’re awake and it’s impacted by various other stimuli... and it’s only tested for the 30 seconds of time. You need to test it during the deepest stage of sleep-slow wave sleep-in order to block out a lot of noise relating to inaccuracies
What are your thoughts on Anders Hofman? A man who is currently undergoing the world's first Iron Man in Antarctica as I type this. He just completed the swimming portion around 1:15 to 1:20 (exact times not officially released yet), and is now undergoing the cycling portion right now. Can you please make a video about this man very soon? His achievements and story need to be heard worldwide.
Thank you for turning me into low HR training a year ago. It has made training become my favorite part of triathlon/Ironman. Thank you for recommending the book "80/20 Triathlon". No injury too. Again, did I say "thank you"?!
Challenge Roth is one of the fastest Ironmans around. Add 1/2 hr on most races to your time In comparison.Your a 10hr plus currently.my opinion. Best of luck
Yeah skiing is great! Took my three year old skiing all week between my legs; killer on the thighs, gluts & lower back. The first few days could only do half a slope, but by the end of the week a whole slope was easy! HR went down from 157 average to 134 average over just 6 days. Now lets see in three weeks if this training at altitude will have merit as well.
Just a question about the kind of 'intensity' work u will build through the season: Will this kind of intensity be less intense and more like race pace when u'll be near race season? I mean less LT and Vo2max and more Z3 or tempo
Cork is a tough hilly event hopefully you bring good weather so we can swim this time. All the best and good luck with the training. See you in Youghal.
Excellent explanation; keep up the good work & you’ll be able to execute a great race in Cork. All you need then, is a little luck of the Irish, and you’d be in with a shot at qualifying.
UK Geoff whoop.com is your best HRV metric testing. Apple Watch HRV will be horrible because of the time frame its measuring and the variance in when you measure. You need a device that tracks and measures HRV when you’re most disconnected from the world during slow wave sleep in order to have a statistically significant result
Taren, to supporters like me who have been watching since the beginning your progress is AMAZING. you clearly practice what you preach, don't listen to the haters telling you otherwise!!! Ultimately, you'll be in Kona. Zero doubt in my mind. You've GOT THIS. See you in Cork, can't wait for a photo 🙃😆😍
Also in order to hit anywhere near your target ctl for many age group athletes is difficult under the low HR training. You definitely have to have a base but in order to get above 100-120 ctl with athletes who only have 10-14 hours a week you have to include more higher intensity training. The low and slow is the best approach but not always applicable to busy professionals.
Good video from Lionel Sanders yesterday trying to explain why running 2:50 marathon is so hard in Kona when he can run a 2.20 stand alone. His coach explains the loss of muscle activation, neuromuscular patterns coming off the bike. I worry for you going to Cork on a hilly bike how in training you will recreate that battering of your legs (muscular endurance) and loss of activation if you're training on flat roads. Roth is a fast course. Cork is an honest UK course...its tough.. and it will be the run where you feel it.
Great, now I want cake.
i like this cake metaphor.
If you hit your target CTL 4-5 months before your race how do you prevent peaking too soon?
Jessecr6 this isn’t good training advice that he’s giving.
Man, you really always have high HRV readings. My are MUCH lower. Almost always under 30, sometimes single digit readings. And I do IE VO2max training 10% of training time, 10-15% SwSp and 75-80% Low intensity in 6-day training weeks. Even if you are doing much Low Intensity training, isnt it a bit too hard?
Please could you tell me what type of app/programme are you using to check all your zones and when you are in the green or the red?? Also, does zone 2 training transfer between the sports, like skiing to running to biking? Thanks!!
Stefanie Gray training peaks
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wait, what? you aim to pull 230W and i guess that's an speed of 35/36kmh?
i weigh 127kg and with 230W i don't even go 30kmh. i'm so fucking not aero :( makes me sad to know. but also makes me excited to realize once i'm at 80kg i'm flying to the moon like a rocket with my power. lol
Thanks for the vid. Though I also train following this method it is important to understand it is A method, not the only method. I am very interested to see how you progress. Especially since I am aiming to swim a 1:05 and bike around 220-240 watts in Roth this year. Good luck with your training Taren
Thanks for the breakdown and importance of zone 2!
I ride fast, get injured, ride fast, get injured! Think it's time to hold myself back see if that works on me getting consistent which I think is key word.
Do you have a name on the spreadsheet we can follow our HR?
Thanks in advance, keep up the inspiring work👍
When you have a day in red with hrv do you take a complete day off, because I'm just starting with hrv?
yes
Hi taren. A bit surprised by your choice of cork. I race it last year. Great location, fantastic crowd but but ready for a real tough unpredictable race. Water WILL be cold. 13d most. Ride is really challenging. I raced Wales twice before. Similar. The run will be easier than Wales but keep in mind. cold and windy. I won’t race cork again but many more IM. I will be tracking you and hoping you make it. 9:15 is a no no in cork. But you need a third place. Would be closer to a 9:40. Good luck.
Agreed. Not a good course for a good time and bad for race comfort. You'll need to focus on what position you attain within your age group, because going for 9:15 in Cork is colossal
Agreed. 9:15 a huge ask in Cork. Concentrate on the bike and run
I can’t tell you how much I disagree with everything you just said. Building a base of speed and then building volume in the race training phase is the way to get faster more efficiently. Just laying down hours and hours at zone 2 will #1 risk injury as you suffered from regardless of the willingness to pull in HRV data #2 make you really good at going slow. That long and slow work should be reserved more so for closer to race day and speed work in the offseason. This isn’t my opinion it’s based on 15,000 athletes worth of data over 10 years on tridot.com
Thanx for another great vlog...wanted to ask which device do you use to measure your HRV? Also it seems there is quite some variation in different devices/apps. Appreciate the insights.
Which application is being used for the training analysis please? Thanks, Thomas from Germany
Loved the dive into your training, excited to follow along!
I am trying to build my aerobic fitness for almost three months now, but its really hard for me run so slow that my heart rate stays in zone 2... Even at 7min/km my heart beats about 145 times per minute on flat terrain. Am I just too impatient or is there a chance that I am doing something obvious wrong?
It could be just being impatience... try to ignore yr pacing... just enjoy the surroundings n listen to music... that's what helped me when i was facing the same issue as u...😊
I’m with you. I try to keep the pace slow but 7min/km feels like I’m crawling and hard to see the benefit of moving that slowly. I tried it for a couple of months last year, didn’t see any real progress so I abandoned it. I wonder if it applies to those of us who are so far out of conditioning.
Mike Mosby Since I am a relative strong cyclist don't think it has something to do with overall condition. Maybe we are really just to impatient... I mean, I already could see small improvements. When I started to run with such a "low" heart rate I wasn't even able to get under 160 BPM.
@@johannes99h This may be bad advice but I received it from an Ironman so take it as you wish...she has the same problem (as did I) and just does her best to maintain a 'base' pace, i.e. as slow as you think you'd reasonably run (say 7-8 min/km even). After enough conditioning at this pace your HR will likely come down, but even if it doesn't (some people just have different HR) you're better off working slightly above zone 2 rather than being forced into basically walking. Hope this helps!
Ryan Mix Thank you, thats something I already thougt about a lot. I am able to run 6:30min/km just above Z2, maybe I should try that more often. I don't know if thats normal, but I completed my first half marathon last year with an average heart rate of 190 BPM in just over 1h 40min. For me it didn't feel too hard, but more experienced runners told me that my heart rate is way too high and I shouldn't even be able to hold that pace for so long... That may prove your point.
Another tought: All of my latest runs were between 0 and 10 degree Celcius, perhaps my body doesn't like that temperatures and is working harder than it should.
But isn’t heart rate really unreliable? It could be just minor changes in sleep or in temperature
I wouldn't say it is "really unreliable" When you are doing large volume you get a very clear picture. Do things like sleep and temperature impact HR? Yes! Does it also impact RPE? YES! It should impact it, because those are factors that you need to take into account when you train. Do those factors impact power on the bike? Nope...so should I push through all those factors just to maintain a certain power? I guess it depends on what type of training we are following, that's the point.
Ian Quist what does RPE stand for? But you are right. HR calculates the Stress perceived through circumstances. Haven’t thought about that
@@tyle.s9084 Rate of Perceived Effort
HR isn’t unreliable over time as long as you use a chest strap and aren’t sick or something but depending on the device and method for tracking HRV that could be very inaccurate and wrong. For example, garmin offers the ability to track it on the watch but you’re awake and it’s impacted by various other stimuli... and it’s only tested for the 30 seconds of time. You need to test it during the deepest stage of sleep-slow wave sleep-in order to block out a lot of noise relating to inaccuracies
What was your average heart rate at Challenge Roth?
What are your thoughts on Anders Hofman? A man who is currently undergoing the world's first Iron Man in Antarctica as I type this.
He just completed the swimming portion around 1:15 to 1:20 (exact times not officially released yet), and is now undergoing the cycling portion right now.
Can you please make a video about this man very soon? His achievements and story need to be heard worldwide.
I don’t watch your channel much, but how long you been doing Triathlon? I see so many talk about qualifying and none of them achieve it.
Thank you for turning me into low HR training a year ago. It has made training become my favorite part of triathlon/Ironman. Thank you for recommending the book "80/20 Triathlon". No injury too. Again, did I say "thank you"?!
Is that hrv analysis spreadsheet available anywhere?
Would like to know that as well
Triathlontaren.com/hrvtraining
@@mikemosby8000 sweet, thanks!
HRV won’t matter if you’re not collecting it in the right way. You need a good device and method.
Challenge Roth is one of the fastest Ironmans around. Add 1/2 hr on most races to your time In comparison.Your a 10hr plus currently.my opinion. Best of luck
Learn to ski. That will work some muscles.
Yeah skiing is great! Took my three year old skiing all week between my legs; killer on the thighs, gluts & lower back. The first few days could only do half a slope, but by the end of the week a whole slope was easy! HR went down from 157 average to 134 average over just 6 days. Now lets see in three weeks if this training at altitude will have merit as well.
Petey!!!!
Just a question about the kind of 'intensity' work u will build through the season: Will this kind of intensity be less intense and more like race pace when u'll be near race season? I mean less LT and Vo2max and more Z3 or tempo
Cork is a tough hilly event hopefully you bring good weather so we can swim this time. All the best and good luck with the training. See you in Youghal.
9:15 gets you in the conversation ?!! That would have bumped you barely into the top 25 at Roth. Show me a course where the rolldown goes that deep.
Excellent explanation; keep up the good work & you’ll be able to execute a great race in Cork. All you need then, is a little luck of the Irish, and you’d be in with a shot at qualifying.
Thanks Taren. Very wise advice. Subscribed and loving your channel.
Why Cork? I'd pick a flat bike and run course race.
Im sure you will qualify in Cork, but if not Penticton 2020 Aug 28.
All this talk of cake, I'm hungry now.. thanks!!! 🤣🍰
You legendary legend you. Excellent results so far. HRV is new to me...been under weather this week, just found HRV in Apple health app and it agrees!
UK Geoff whoop.com is your best HRV metric testing. Apple Watch HRV will be horrible because of the time frame its measuring and the variance in when you measure. You need a device that tracks and measures HRV when you’re most disconnected from the world during slow wave sleep in order to have a statistically significant result
Great video! Great content! Editing was a little off tho, please don't let the quality we love drop!
Love the updates and the data on low HR training!
How are you measuring your HRV??
Some continuity issues with your dogs today! :)
Great stuff Taren. Thank ou for sharing your journey.
A 9:30 Ironman will get you into the ‘qualification conversation’: you just need to pick a race that suits you. I’d suggest an Asian Ironman.
@Andrew Matcalfe which races in Asia do you suggest?
Great video. Thanks. Would love to see a vantage V recovery pro vs Oura ring HRV comparison (accuracy, practicality, etc..)
Julien Bouillot whoop is the only choice.
Thanks Taren. One of your best videos ever!
Good work Taren you will smash it.
Taren, to supporters like me who have been watching since the beginning your progress is AMAZING. you clearly practice what you preach, don't listen to the haters telling you otherwise!!! Ultimately, you'll be in Kona. Zero doubt in my mind. You've GOT THIS. See you in Cork, can't wait for a photo 🙃😆😍
Also in order to hit anywhere near your target ctl for many age group athletes is difficult under the low HR training. You definitely have to have a base but in order to get above 100-120 ctl with athletes who only have 10-14 hours a week you have to include more higher intensity training. The low and slow is the best approach but not always applicable to busy professionals.
Good video from Lionel Sanders yesterday trying to explain why running 2:50 marathon is so hard in Kona when he can run a 2.20 stand alone. His coach explains the loss of muscle activation, neuromuscular patterns coming off the bike. I worry for you going to Cork on a hilly bike how in training you will recreate that battering of your legs (muscular endurance) and loss of activation if you're training on flat roads.
Roth is a fast course. Cork is an honest UK course...its tough.. and it will be the run where you feel it.
Strictly speaking not UK
Great video 👍
why cork?
Keep it up, Taren!! \m/
Useful stuff 👏🏻🙂
Great video
3:30 Two Tarens... Your secret has been revealed!
Wow...second! Editing was a bit off.
First! First time ever!