Spoken: Colorism and the New Orleans Creole
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Spoken: Colorism and the New Orleans Creole
A piece investigating the phenomenon of colorism and how it relates to the New Orleans Creole community.
This project was the brain-child of being given complete creative license with the only obligation being to deliver 1 hour of television.
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I HAVE LIVED IN LOUISIANA NOW FOR THREE YEARS ,,,, GOTTA TELL YA FOR THOSE THAT DONT KNOW, THAT COLORS SHIT IS STILL VERY REAL IN LOUISIANA... PROBABL NOT AS BAD AS IN THE PAST BUT STILL VERY NOTICEABLE
Its best at times, for darkskinned people to simply get with whites
So glad the natural hair movement is getting stronger and stronger...
I don't happen to see that, and in fact I often lament that from the days of my youth when we all wore our hair natural, we have turned into creatures who if we cannot get our own hair straight, we BUY "hair" that in no way resembles any that grew out of our own heads. I just want to cry.
Actually it is declining. A lot of 'Natural hair Nazi's' are texlaing, texturing and perming their hair. Plus majority of black women still wearing wigs and weave. Those who went natural are now regretting it.
Damn....
Stick’in to Redbones!
@@og-greenmachine8623 Your ignorance is hilarious 😂🤣🤣🤣 I'm always amused by how ignorant people are free of shame🤔
@@lorrinewilson2551 yes you’re right! My family hates how I wear my natural hair because my hair isn’t the texture that theirs is it’s mainly my mom side they call it nappy and I should be ashame of showing it basically.
im from new Orleans that place is the most color struck place in the world
Michael Mitchell Damn! lol
Truth the light skinned woman here is placed on the highest pedestal
Wow, maybe i should have moved there, i would have gotten remarried by now. NOT! I look too Asian for most Black men anyway, hahahahahaha
Michael Mitchell Yes!! Born and raised in New Orleans!!
He's telling the truth...
If you watch the HBO series TREME, watch the plot development with LaDonna and her husband Larry (the dentist), and his "pain in the a** Creole family". They clearly look down on La Donna - a hard working, caring and strong woman. Ain't no matter. They give her the 'stinky eye', on more than one occasion during the episodes. And she calls them on their snobbery and elitism. You go, girl..
Øyínbø, mind your own y'té business okay!!!
I'm convinced New Orleans(Louisiana) has only one foot out of the 1800's, really AL, MS, LA, TX ....though this video is clearly from the late 90's early 00's there value systems and mentalities are sooooo antiquated (OLD). THE SAD PART IS IM SURE THERE ISNT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN 2018.
I agree watching in 2018 this video is full of stereotypes such as the way the black guy was acting at the job interview! Much is still relevant to 2018 although there is a much stronger natural hair movement with black women more embracing their heritage (that's why I loved Black Pantha) because dark skin representation is so important especially for black women. Although we still have a big problem with colorism in our community.
This video is from 2003, that is definitely not the 90s, u should know u look that old 😐
I'm a Franco-American and I know one of the reasons why the various groups of the North American French enjoy celebrating the past is because before the British Empire conquered New France or before the United States bought Louisiana, the Francophones were practically free to do whatever they wanted. The French ate more meat and were bigger than their cousins in Europe and worked their own land or travelled the wilderness and learned traditions from the Indians. Pre-English North America was VERY multicultural. Yes there was politics and wars and social problems, but there was also opportunity and enough freedom for each French group to start developing their own unique culture the way they wanted to live. That doesn't exist in today's America where racism and consumerism and foreign political ideologies that aren't even American are blasted into everyone's face on a daily basis.
Ben, New Orleans' colorism is identical to the one you'll find in Martinique in the west indies where people are punished simply for having darker hue. but all in all we really need to make the effort to get our boys to not seek out light skin as a default feature in a woman.
@@ivamcole2304 he said *late* 90s/early 00s which 03 is early 00s and not much different in terms of style from the late 90s.
I’m one of the little girls in the playground scene lol! This is sooo old. Bought back so many memories!!!
I love the way she recited that poem.
Internalized racial oppression explains this creole stuff perfectly. Light always = better for those people. Great take.
ok- comment on the Bruhs- celebs- marrying Whites, Mulattos and Creoles- hello JAYZEE, and the entire NBA- LOL- FAIR AND BALANCED
Dr Jeff has such a lovely speaking voice- I could listen to him all day.
I want him to tell me bedtime stories.
😂😂
His voice is delightful.
My family is like a rainbow. I'm dark, my mom and dad are brown skinned, my dad's mom is dark skinned, his father was light skinned. Our family hardly ever talks about skin colors. But some urban blacks are obsessed with skin color, I never understood the mentality as a child, still don't understand it now....
I like the poem in the beginning of this video.
We still struggling with these issues, it is real.
... we thought We get a reprieve from what's called #racism during 'Rona. ..uh, clearly... NOT!! :-(
...thus, doubt if the slanted minds of #colorists will take a break from 'hue-shaming' during any season. mangled-math: What else would 'they' have to hold on to to 'feel' superior??
Sigh.
May the World mindfully #Heal, one day.
@@hthtv3440 : yes, they feel superior in their own minds . History has proven otherwise...still we rise
im from new Orleans but i experience light skined black folks trying to look down on me and i was like really man
I'm a so called lightskinned black from NOLA and you'll get nothing but love and solidarity from me and my family, my brother.You know with everything going on here in the US, we as a people have no choice now but to put this colorism nonsense aside and move forward.
I'm from Louisiana too. I find it goes either way. Either you'll get really light mixed raced creoles who think they are better than black creoles and will deny them the use of the word or they are very inclusive and not color struck. The ones obsessed with their family history are usually the racist ones.
Well said!
Michael Mitchell question, do you seek their acceptance?
#2👍🏾
I enjoyed the food I sampled when I visited Louisiana. However, the colorism was utterly sickening. The devaluation of medium and dark skinned black people by light skinned people was considered to be normal. I thought it was a poisonous mentality. It's not that you don't encounter that elsewhere, but the dose of it in New Orleans was stronger than anything I'd seen elsewhere. They still use those slave mentality terms that should have died out decades ago.
if you set food in martinique it'll be worse than Lousianne. Martinique is circa 1835 with mobile phones
But, LoveViolet, do you not see how you dehumanize "light skinned people" by just stating, incorrectly, that all of them "devalue" our people of darker hues? This colorism mess cuts all ways.
@@PoeCommunicateATL
Nowhere did she mention it was ALL light skin people
Go out towards Lafayette if you think New Orleans was bad
The young lady from Lafayette stated her ancestors are from France and married or mixed with African Americans.
Ya know? My mom and I have pictures of our creole ancestors and my great great grandmother born in the 1800's. They could pass for white. We found my great grand mother's wedding invitation and it had me thinking. She married my great grandfather although he was dark as night. Colorism definitely exists but not in my family who to this day is comprised of light skinned and dark skinned people. Didn't even know what colorism was until I encountered other African Americans and whites.
Washington D.C. is also color struck--cannot stand the place.
Thats kinda on you too, you should know what colorism is
@@prerog9585 Straight talk 100%. They are so backwards saying they don't live in the South. Some of them even said to me that all Black people in the South are blue-black due to slavery. Further, they like to refer to their hometown as Chocolate City. They got their comeuppance during 911 when many people in foreign countries said they didn't know Black people lived in the USA, until they saw them on television. We then were able to tell that DC crew that they were not running anything in DC. In fact, they were invisible to much of the world.
If someone could pass for White, they were probably White. Having a drop of Black doesn't make them mixed or Black.
A lot of times if a dark skinned man had money 💰 somehow he could get a lighter woman. A dark man with money would marry a light woman in part to have lighter kids. Now, when it came to a darker skinned woman. There was no value in getting with her because more than likely she would have more African features that were considered ugly. It's okay for a man to be ugly if he has money and power. Now I'm not saying I think women like Viola Davis are ugly. But that is how many Creoles felt.
I love being a more Mahogany Creole man in America. When people see some of my family members with dark skin, some with gray or hazel eye's, and silky hair. People don't know what to make of us. Yes we are Creole, but this in its self encompasses many ethnicities. I feel today's Creole's embrace this fact more so than those in the past. Most people here in the North really are not that familiar with what being Creole in America is. We are all of the human race. This system of colorism among us is a virus that has to be remedied.
Gypsyman My grandmother had features just like what you are describing. Mahogany skin, grey-blue eyes and silky curly hair. Everyone always talked about how stunning she looked. I really miss her
My mom is chocolate skinned,long pointy nosed,high cheekbone LA Creole and Native American and she was the first generation NYC born and bred while her parents was from the south and many northerners,especially NYers always think creoles are Haitian and I have to break it down to them what's the difference between LA creoles and Haitian creoles so,they don't the history that much because,they worry about materialistic shit,gossip,sex,street life and other fuckery but I'm more concious and awakening minded than them.my dad was Puerto Rican,Italian,Spanish,Spanish Roma,Portuguese,Moroccan and Egyptian,he had fair skin,almond shaped brown:hazel eyes,curly reddish brown hair,roman nose,high cheekbones,strong jaw line and freckles but I came out look like him expect im caramel skin.
I must admit, YOU have surprised me . . .my family is from Southern Louisiana. I grew up hearing a lot of the thoughts expressed in the video. While what is being said is nothing new, the presentation of interviews, along with the skits adds depth to a very "touchy" subject.
Thank You!
I'm from New Orleans as well..We have ALL colors and hues in our family. I'm a so-called Creole,about the color of the man who speaks around the 8 minute mark (Mr. Warren Bell former news anchor in N.O.) but first and foremost, I'm a BLACK man. I never, ever looked down on anybody or aligned myself with color cliques(they exist). The vast majority of my best school mates, friends and other playmates I came up with were dark as or darker than anyone in the video. I mean Michael Jordan black. I've dated dark women. True..I caught my share of "little whitey, little red" here and there but I didn't catch REAL shit about my color from other blacks until I left Louisiana. The notion that all lightskinned blacks, particularly in and around New Orleans are snobs, colorstruck and such is absolute bullshit. Granted, there are some hateful ones, especially during the last century.Overall, it's not the norm anymore. As mentioned, my family has all colors and the head of our family, my late grandpa, a man of dignity that I loved, respected and miss terribly to this day was almost as dark as the background in this film. One grandfather who just as dark I never got to meet, as he passed away right after I was born. My family helped in the struggle in NOLA so ALL blacks could be treated equally there. I may add that Judge Israel Augustine was the first black elected as a district judge in New Orleans and he was very dark (aman I much admired). So let's dispell this crap that is was and is "light vs. dark". Just another conquer and divide tactic and continual perpetuation of myths and bullshit. To my darker skinned bothers and sisters in the video who were shunned because they weren't light enough..I'm so sorry you endured such inhumanity and indignity from other black people (((hugs))). It's fucking sad enough to deal with this from whites, but our own? No excuse. Until the black community gets over it's colorism locally, nationally and globally, we as a people will continue to struggle. If we can't respect ourselves and recognize our differences, how will others accept us? The time, if any, is now to put this to rest and move forward.
mmafan3 Well said!
I believe people are people and we all need to accept our humanity and become individually driven towards a better world and a better species by ending war and nuclear destruction a bit far fetched from your point my statement yet accurate we are humans and preserving our species and it's natural habitat which is this earth is the basis of my view
And allcreoles aren't. They may be dark but the got French name.
Go there anyone who doubts. You all c
@@virginialpinon748 all creoles don't have French sounding names either
I think this guy has a better/equal accent to morgan freeman!
This was very powerful.. Being born and raised in New Orleans, there's a ton of truth in here, but also a few embellishments. at least from my perspective.
my first time seeing warren bell in any medium than the news desk. always liked his reporting, clear and fair.
I'm proud to be creole and I love black people
Jack and Jill club, a Black social club in the mid Atlantic states, was a very popular, exclusive Black , elite social group. The rule to belong to this club was, if you were darker than a paper bag, you could not be considered to join Jack and Jill. And this club still exists today!!!
I'm familiar with Jack and Jill.
THE ONLY BLACK Man- I KNOW MARRIED TO A BLACK WOMN IS Denzel Washington- and he is a Republican- twisted -hehe
in the interview scene why was the black man overly stereotypical when the requirements for the job was clearly a college degree black men with college degrees know how to conduct themselves in the interview process
I have dark skin when I tell people I am Creole and Native.They do not believe.I show them my past pictures when I had an lighter skin tone.They still insist.
I no u tell truth
The most famous gro very. In the vieux carre. That sells mufalettes. R Italian reoles
That's grocery store where u ,"make groceries"
I believe you. Ppl r just ignorant. I'm Haitian creole but I'm Beyonce skin tone with soft hair. Ppl asked me if I was white, if my dad was white, etc. Like ppl don't think Haitian come in all colors n all hair types. Creoles come in all colors including dark skin. Side note no one in my immediate family has my features n ppl think I'm a illegitimate child. So my looks came out of nowhere n the "mixed look" skipped everybody but me! It was a tough strange life.
It sounds to me as if the Willie Lynch Syndrome has been quite effective.
I agree!
Hasn't it, smh, so so sad watching my people being so proud of having ancestry of some of everything outside of their obvious African ancestry. #GenerationalSelfHate
Yess ma'am 🥹
People forget..that many lightbskinned black women
Got with white men, and had white children
Many whites had black presenting grandmothers
So if my original birth certificate state COLOR, what sense would it make for me to call myself and my Ancestors African?@storiking650
Whites in Louisiana also discriminated against people of their own race. For example the people who were pure white were not supposed to marry creoles (even though they could have them as lovers). And creoles are closer to being white than to being black.
Lol Nah they are more black, native and panfish then white
@@kulturebaby375 Depends no?
Depended on the specific creole tbh
It rely depends, that's why there's the term passe blanc because they're very much closer to white
@@kulturebaby375 wrong creoles dont have 2 be mix 🤡
Dr. Jeff is the TRUTH. We miss him dearly. A real leader of our community. Just like his daddy, Morris F.X. Jeff, Sr.
@22:00.. Absolutely Amazing point. Also, when People meet me see my skin color and curly hair, 1 of the 1st things they ask is what i'm mixed with. and Some would go as far as accusing you of lying if you tell them You're not mixed. Not as though you're lying maliciously, but more so sort of joking saying. "You gotta be mixed with something, you not fully black". But 1 of the things i Like about it is, I can blend very well, in almost any racial community from Mexican and Hispanic to Arab, as just about Every race of Color have a spectrum of shades from light skin to dark.
But you are mixed it just happened generations ago. People think that past mixture does not count. If we can document it within a genealogical time frame then you count as mixed. The only time it counts as not mixed is when it happened so long ago and you can't find the parent population in their pristine form.
Somalis for example are descended from an Arab-like population plus Black East Africans. The Arab-like population they descend from mixed with other people and went extinct as a race. So now when Somalis do simple dna 🧬 tests they come out Somali not "mixed"
So he do we know they really are mixed? Because you can look at Somali chromosomes and see where some sequences look Arab and where some look East African. The "Arab" parts are similar to yet not identical to modern Arabs
With us AAs not enough time has taken place for things to become impossible to tell. Which is why they can say "oh this part is German or this is Ghanian".
@@maazi.naaniya9158 what makes you think i'm "Mixed"?
My great grandma was creole...but I rarely talk about it I just say I'm African American and keep it moving .. because people act like it's a problem just to talk about it
Exactly! Sometimes people act like its a problem to mention you have a mixed race heritage. They won't talk about it or become uneasy. Some are skeptical and some are jealous.
Its called African American Creole. The point of the video is that its not separate
It’s a touchy issue but more recent generations seem more civilized about the concept of honoring mixed heritage. Often people identified as one race misunderstand biracials. There’s an attitude biracials should adopt whichever race they most closely resemble to simplify their identity and not confuse their peers. Minorities and Whites believe biracials who ID as biracial are “ashamed” of their “White/Black/Other” race and are rejecting it.
Biracials and multiethnic people are not any different than monoracials who enjoy celebrating their uniqueness and beauty, taking pride in their history, cultural identity, etc. The difference is that people of mixed heritage appreciate both or all of their heritages. There’s nothing wrong with that.
@@nikibronson133 Creole is not a race. It's only a culture. It's like saying Latino. There are white Latinos, black Latinos, and Taino (Indigenous). Most Latinos are mixed
@@ivamcole2304 I never said creole was a race. In fact I specifically stated opposite. Creole is a Heritage. It's a cultural heritage. My family specifically is Louisiana Creole. Louisiana Creole is a subculture of the larger African American ethnicity which holds smaller Regional subcultures within like Gullah Geechee but we are all African American people with smaller subcultures that vary from region to region. There are different types of Creole. But it doesn't mean mixed and it doesn't mean light-skinned. In fact though your explanation of Latino is eerily similar to how I explain what latino means to other people.
I have a teacher colleague who is Puerto Rican, with light tan skin. She often encounters bias, and insists it is not imagined. Black Puerto Ricans are sometimes denied the respect they ought to get. Hey, this is 2014. Racism within a group, it happens.
I guess that's what colorism is-racism within a group.
I know there are color complexes with other ethnic groups but none to the extent that I see within blacks in the US
kenneth mcgriff
That's pretty much one of the conclusions I have drawn in researching mixed race and biracial people.
Because there was no biracial category/standard/community in the US except in New Orleans and in the Carolinas, B/W biracials were pretty much given the choice of integrating into the black communities.
Its also why biraciality is such an explosive issue in black communities in the US.
Colorism is world wide in predominantly melenated countries.
@@moniquen.torres9201 Thank you. It's no secret.😌😔😒
Yes, colorism still exists in the Black communities of the U.S. Of course it is perpetuated subliminally by parents and contemporaries. But I fail to see what relevance "Creole" has to anyone outside of Louisiana, whatever definition is used.
i think its because its its own ethnic capsule the same way that the Gullah geeche are.
In less than 3 mins I sag with sorrow with the knowledge of the truth. I've known it, but the typing of The Plan... that. Thank you, Epi Dermis, for this video.
I’m creole and my whole family and we don’t discriminate. Ive been a victim of discrimination by darker skinned people my whole life. Makes you want to stick with your own.
The fact you say this demonstrates your bigotry
@@melissajordan2998 It's his experience and pain, I acknowledge it, you have to be mature enough to have this conversation. That's how we move on, mentally
You might be correct. However, Istand correct about colorism.
It’s true I’ve had sooo many darker females told me they didn’t like me at first just by looking at me because they thought I was stuck up just because of how I look!
i'm from nola creole also, and you are talking crazy.
Us dark skin blacks do have a hard time though
You're not dark skin,you're caramel or coffee with milk skin but according to the dark skin ones,you're light skin and to the ones who are lighter than you call you dark because,they walking around think they are superior to you due to the skin color.they(light skin) want to know why they are being bullied by the ones who are darker than them.
Yes, you have had it very difficult in this society. Support the NOI in the cause of separation and none of us have to endure this mess anymore.
We need to stop with the victim hood of who had it worst. Did you ever think that the light skin sisters had it worst than you by being in massa house they suffered rape and sexual abuse . Stop with this hierarchy of who had it worst It is as divisive as racism .
@@real8551 ....dark skin black women were definitely sexually abused but go off.
@@real8551 You must be an idiot...how do you think light skinned Blacks got here in the first place?
The book I'm reading " Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin" mentions the Autocrat Club & the discrimination he & other Black Americans endured.
" LOVE CAN SAVE US ALL " ........A quote from Prince
Hi there, I wanted to say that I don't support racism at all, and I don't make friends with racist people. I don't want friends that are that full of hate, judgement, and spite, I need loving, understanding people in my life instead. I am sorry to those who have been victims of racism, racist people need to grow a heart and a brain.
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New Orleans was unique because before the Louisiana Purchase it had been under French and Spanish control. Their versions of colonialism were not as harsh as elsewhere in the south. Also the language spoken by Creoles was not 'cajun' but a version closer to Haitian Creole because of the Haitian migration in 1804. Look up Alcee Fortier, a PhD who documented the now disappeared language called Gumbo.
Thank u im mississippi creole
This was good....and I enjoyed the little vignettes in between
Search "Frank's Place: Frank Joins a Club" for the episode of Tim Reid's Emmy-winning, yet sadly short-lived CBS 1987 series on this subject in the recent past.
I don't see anything wrong with Lightskined/Mixed people preferring to date other Lightskinned/Mixed people. I'm Louisiana Creole and I personally prefer others(relationship wise) of the same skin tone as me, but I will be friends with anyone as long as they respect my personal views.
Yeah...you're color struck.
I had a preference (tan skin) but fell in love with a non preference( dark skinned). How can you say you won't fall in love with someone of darker skin tone.
Men have to have an erection to have intercourse. Usually unless he is blind that means a man has to like what he sees. He can tell himself she's nice, she's intelligent, sweet funny etc. But as long as he can't appreciate her as sexy/beautiful he can't do anything. Not unless he lets his partner take the lead.
I and my mother and father; their mother and father are from New Orleans, Newellton , Tallulah. La. All over the place. We have people of all shades. You don't get special treatment because you are light complexion! Thank God. Anyway you don't if you have white or black, or French heritage until you dig deep. Two dark skinned people can have a very light complexion baby. And the baby stays that way.
I was just watching a PBS video about "time crystals . A new form of matter has been created! ...and we're still dealing with this race bullshit! When will is end?! Makes me sad and angry.
I'm always called creole, because I'm light skinned. My grandmother is from New Orleans. She could pass for white, because her father, who nobody knows who he is, was white. Creole, half white, masse blanc, I'm just not into none of that. It's very irritating and it has caused the colorist throughout the Black community to this day. Light skinned is not the best skinned. All our skins are beautiful and non is better than the other.
Don't want to hear none of this slave colorist shit. And whomever is playing it, you should be ashamed. Don't divide our people anymore than the white people do. Shut that shit up!
Reggae music is the best
This was eye opening and well argued.
Very good documentary
I am from Memphis, but my grandparents were both raised in both Mississippi and New Orleans. They are Creole. My grandfather was very dark and spoke French or a French dialect. Grandmother was very fair and was the granddaughter of a long line of slavers. My suspicion is that her mother was Malaysian, due to my DNA and the physical features of my aunts, uncle, my daughter, and grandson. I am dark and grew up being subjected to the paper bag test. Once I darkened beyond that sack, I was no longer accepted, just as my younger brother, who had never been accepted.
I think that white people think that black people are not cultured. The Creole people have preserved their culture and language so I think that white people look at them differently.
Who gaf what White People think. That's the issue
Pretty much not to mention that Louisiana Creoles had nothing to do with the Anglo sphere in how it developed which made people much more interested
We were just discussing this! Color lines! Colorism and stereotypes in Hollywood
I believe what these folk is speaking on is CULTURE!!
Creole was language invented by slaves who were owned by French Masters it was a way of communicating to each other without the french knowing, just like the jamaican speak patois.
Babes, its enslaved Black people.
Number 666 you right i be forgetting we're all the same people, we just scatter everywhere and divided because of our language barrier.
Whites also spoke Louisiana Creole
Please keep in mind this is on interpretation of the word creole.
Whoa this is good
Thanks for sharing this video
In all honesty, your perception of skin color is rooted in your upbringing. I am a native New Orleanian. Based on this video, there are three shades of black people; light, brown, and dark. I am a brown skinned person, with average to course hair texture(Not fine, not course). My skin complexion possesses red undertone indicating a possible Indian heritage. My mom married a creole man when I was three and the marriage produced two children. My siblings are light skinned with good hair. Growing up, I never felt that there was a divisive dynamic in my family as a result of skin color differences. I was never taught to acknowledge the colorism that exists within the black community.
My parents were very fair growing up. My siblings and I were always treated equally and no one got preferential treatment on the basis of skin color. The concept of colorism didn't become apparent to me until I became an adult and I believe its totally subjective. I was obviously naive to its existence but I do not think its shaped the way that I have treated anyone. Retrospectively, I can say that it has influenced the way that people have perceived and treated me all my life. I was a victim of it today. I rejected the notion of its existence and the issue was resolved immediately. The point here is that colorism is not something that I plan on practicing and if more people embrace this mindset, it can be obliterated totally.
Issues with what you said. 1. What is good hair, or rather why do you think hair different from what Africans usually have is "good". As long as you have a full head of hair isn't that good?
You do not have to plan to practice it. You might automatically get treated better than a darker man. If you are just minding your own business you might not notice people being a bit nicer to you. Brown skinned people are safest because you don't usually evoke too much jealousy by being put on a pedestal. You also don't get roasted NPI for being "balack"
in the Alaskan Aleutian islands....creoles r mix of natives and Japanese who were there during. ww. 2.
my last name is French. I am Creole. I have Black and. Amer Native. also
J'adore! C'est très bien :D
fascinating.......never knew this
Indian Affairs got you all thinking Creole is White and Black mixed. Y'all are lost.
I thought it was beyond strange I didn't hear about Native American anything
What a voice!
46.31 did he make it past the first semester.
7.47 well versed
7.14 well thought
15.26 Peter----born ready
17.38 deep
So what is Creole? I can understand if the term is used to define a culture; however, culture has nothing to do with your shade. I believe this term is another way to cause division between people. There are plenty of people in the world who are mixed. Matter of fact, many African-American's are not purely African. They have mixed decent with the same history of slave owner's and slaves, and racial intermixing. This mixing could include French decent. What percentages of what races qualify a black or white person to be Creole? How do you measure this? These are nothing but labels that serve to separate people.
A Creole is a descendant of the original settlers of Louisiana, and someone who shares the culture that these people created. It has nothing to do with skin color, except that our unique history of intermarriage means that Creoles are on average lighter than African Americans. So, what is an African American? I believe that this term is another way to cause division between people. Is it about descent? Aren't we all descendants of humans who migrated out of Africa? Why can't we all be African Americans? There are many "white" people with even more African ancestry than African Americans. Why can't they be African Americans? Is African American a culture? There are many "whites"--like Iggy Azalea, Molly Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, and Robin Thicke--who appropriate elements of African American culture. Why can't they be African Americans? Is it about color? Some "whites" like Rachel Dolezal are darker than "blacks" like Paula Patton. Why can't they be African Americans?
Please excuse my sarcasm, but I get annoyed when people try to act like the definition of Creole is some sort of enigma. And I get annoyed when people pull a Yaba Blay and try to make people feel guilty for identifying as Creoles. And I get annoyed when people don't know the difference between unity and uniformity.
+Michael Elwood I would agree that AA is another label thats why i used it. Anyone can be anything. Unfortunately, A lot of what we assume is based on skin color. I know the definition of creole and it has evolved to mean different things based on events in society. I did not take anything sarcastically until you said it and it was certainly not said to make anyone feel guilty. This is one perspective. There are too many differences in opinion than to waste time on being annoyed. Thanks for your insight.
+Michelle Ludwig I believe what im saying is being misinterpreted so let me clarify. You are right that African does not equate blackness. It equates the origin of a known or in some cases assumed ancestry. In the video there were many that believe creole is based on skin color. I chose to address that because I believe this is a common misconception. when i asked what is creole there are still varying definitions to this day. Every label serves to classify a group of people. Though we can never escape those classifications we should never allow it to separate us as people because we don't always fit into a mold. Again im addressing the issue of the term creole or now AA being used to define a persons skin tone and hair texture etc. Or being used to assume a persons unknown background. ex. " You must be...because of...."
Creoles are more of a cultural group than a racial group. We are the descendants of the original French, Spanish, African, and native American inhabitants of Louisiana and the people who abide by the culture set up by the melding of these societies.
For our purposes, people who are descendants of the original inhabitants of New Orleans, or people who subscribe to New Orleanian culture.
You are 100% correct. The term Creole was created to separate children that were the result of slave rape in Louisiana and in New Orleans. They didn't want the children of the slave masters to be in the fields but they also didn't want them to be equal to white people. The Spanish and the French were very big on hierarchies and class levels. They created the term Creole to describe someone of color who was freed. There were also dark skin Creole people. Also some slaves that were freed even if there parent wasn't right was also called Creole. It's just the common misconception that all Creole people are light skinned. Creole people had to bow when white people into the room and were always treated as second-class Citizens, not as bad as slaves but not as good as white people. They also kept them away from their slave family and mother typically because they didn't want the Creole person to form a connection with their black family and in turn incite rebellions or favoritism. They created the class to divide people.
Right there dark skin and light skin in people’s families they don’t have to be creole
...what the late great #CurtisMayfield said/sung in one of his classic songs *"...dontchoo know you're just the surface of a dark deep well."* comes to mind.
And another late great's word *"...dark the berry, the sweeter the juice, darker the flesh, the deeper the roots..."* also comes to harmonic-mind. #Tupac
Once 1 truly studies *what* #Melanin *Is* ... I began said studies via #DrJewelPookram, but Dr. Richard has great books on *this* topic as well... anyhoo, once one studies this *miracle molecule* ... to celebrate being deficient in it, is... it's... it's... Baffling!! I know, Y on earth should any form of Bullying, subtle or not, make logical sense! sigh...
I never found the #sane logic in celebrating the lack of it, or the fullness of *it!* Till... Till... the Fullness of *It* was/is degraded. #colorism Huh?? Recall when Oprah and Iyanla did a show on this topic? Compelling.
To a sane balanced mind, one's Hue shouldn't be offensive. Offensive Actions are the OFFENSE!!
Not to quote the great #DrKing... but it's so apropos herein: *A person should be judged by the content of their character, Not the color of their skin!* paraphrased.
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We are the children who are darker than blue
I would also be lying if I said no one in my Creole family discriminated against me. I had a relative they had a separate set of toys for the dark kids than the light kids and we weren’t allowed to play with the newer toys and this was within the family that had moved to Los Angeles bringing that colorism mess and making it even worse. Dark skin family had to fight for everything we had while the lighter were given financial opportunities, funding, support.
Respectfully request- A report on a controversial subject - Standard is to have a fair and balanced approach? Currently you use a save approach - Ypu are preaching to a sanctimonious choir- hehe. How about producing something on this current topic- Why so many Black men are marrying White Women, extensions
RUclips- ERASED AND REDLINED MY POSTS DENYING ME -the chance to respond to the COLORISM CHARGE- I submit is it colorism for black men to marry White women and Mullatto and Creole women - and than complain about COLORISM? -hmmmm- DYING Hair blond??
@@pierrerochon7271there is nothing respectful in anything you have said towards me; this isn’t a plantation but social media. Argue with data and call it sanctimonious. It’s 2023 so you can take your condescension back to 1950 where it belongs.
@@user-Mimi622argue with data. You are tired or facts. That sounds about “huite”
I dont have any sympathy for you. Darkskin men and women always have a chip on their shoulder and want to fight any and everbody. Deal with it.
Why no one ever mentions the creole white people of New Orleans? Where you think this whole creole thing got started? The creoles of the French Quarter were all white back in the days, then later on the mixed race ones started using it too. But it's almost like people have forgotten about the original New Orleans creoles...the French/Spanish descendants of the New Orleans area. Back in the days, mixed race were not even called creole at first, they were called "Gens de Couleur" meaning "free people of color" and French/Spanish whites were called "Creoles". But later on, some mixed race started using creole, and the white creoles became known as "French Creoles" and the mixed race were "Creoles of Color". Look in any dictionary, under creole it will say those descended from the French/Spanish of New Orleans. No where does it ever say African, so why no mention of us? I'm not hating on black creoles, but show some love to the white creoles. I'm a Spanish Creole of Louisiana, my people came from Spain. Spain once owned Louisiana. White Creoles built the French Quarter and brought the world Mardi Gras, delicious food and great traditions from New Orleans. We are the original Creoles, so why are we forgotten?
I don't think people are ignoring the "white" creoles of New Orleans. However, I think a lot of people, creole and non-creole, are rightly skeptical of some of their claims. Like their claim of being "pure white", for example. There probably are some creoles who have only French or Spanish ancestors. But, as the late governor of Louisiana Huey Long said, you could probably feed all of them with a cup of beans and a half a cup of rice, and still have food left over. Or take their claim to be the original creoles, for example. Originally, during the colonial period, the word creole referred to anyone born in Louisiana regardless of "race". This is what almost all scholars, creole or non-creole, say. You can pick almost any scholarly book on creoles at random and that's what it'll say. But let me mention a few of them. The "white" creoles John LaFluer II and Brian Costello say this in their book "Louisiana's French Creole Culinary & Linguistic Traditions: Facts vs Fiction Before and Since Cajunization". The creole "of color" Sybil Kein says this in her book "Creole: the history and legacy of Louisiana's free people of color". And the non-creole Adam Fairclough says this in his book "Race & Democracy: The Civil Rights Struggle in Louisiana". With all the great scholarly works by creoles and non-creoles, there's no reason why anyone should base their understanding of creole history on dictionaries. Creoles of color built New Orleans, literally and figuratively (for an example of how they literally built it, see the excellent book "Raised to the Trade: Creole Building Arts of New Orleans"). They gave the world jazz (see the excellent book "Creole Trombone: Kid Ory and the Early Years of Jazz"), and other creole cultural products. Trying to relegate them to a mere footnote in the illustrious history of "white" creoles is a fools errand. No disrespect to "white" creoles, but they need to come to terms with the non-"white" aspects of creole culture just as "black" creoles need to come to terms with the non-"black" aspects of creole culture. Just a little friendly reminder. . . from one creole to another.
I agree with you. I've been studying this history. Records show freed slaves even taking on the name Creole. A lot of the so called "Creoles" are not even the original ones!
Michael Elwood No, I'm not saying white creoles created creole culture in Louisiana single handedly, but back in those days in New Orleans, white creoles were referred to as "creoles" and mulattoes were referred to as "free people of color". It was later that the mulattoes assumed the moniker creole as well. When I say mulattoes, I mean multigenerational mulattoes, as that's what they were. And I'm not saying white creoles solely built New Orleans, but it was predominantly their creation although blacks and creoles of color contributed. Skills were passed to creoles of color, but to think less were passed to white creoles as well is incorrect.
They all contributed of course. But back in those days of New Orleans, creoles were mainly known as whites of French and Spanish ancestry, it was only later when mulattoes assumed the moniker "creole" for themselves that some white creoles started to insist it meant only whites. Because they felt their identity was being "stolen" if you will. And I'm aware of creole being used before for a slave before, but in antebellum New Orleans, creole pretty much meant a white person of French/Spanish ancestry. It was the same in Latin America, which the Spanish word for creole (criollo) means a white person of full or predominantly Spanish/European ancestry today. The French used the same system. And I'm aware that creole was also used to mean a person born in the colonies (but most of the definitions give "born in the colonies as opposed to France or Spain" Africa is never mentioned. But my concern is today, how "white creoles" are neglected by the media and even the usage of creole for whites has been used less for fear of people thinking they are mixed. There was no fear back then, because it mainly meant a white New Orleanian of French/Spanish ancestry. I'm actually a white Creole from the New Orleans area, Spanish dominant, but I have French ancestry as well.
The French Quarter and most of the French architectural influence was built by Haitians. Mardi Gras and most of the culture, music and food are of African influence. The facts you have stated are documented, but do you really think that they would give credit to people of African or Haitian decent for their major contributions to New Orleans. My family is from New Orleans, and we are Creole. We are all of the human race...Wake up!
kreyol40 Unfortunately, "Creoles of Color" aren't given credit for their major contributions to New Orleans, Louisiana, America, and the world. For example, IslenoGutierrez suggested that much of Creole cuisine is of French and Spanish origin. But how can that be when many of the ingredients used in Creole cuisine aren't from France or Spain? Take the most characteristic Creole dish, Gumbo. Creoles got okra from the Africans, and file from the Native Americans. IslenoGutierrez gave the Brennan's as an example of the "white" origins of Creole cuisine. But isn't the culinary tradition of the "Creole of Color" Olivier family, who own Olivier’s Creole Restaurant in the French Quarter, as old if not older than the Brennan's?
IslenoGutierrez suggested that Mardi Gras was a "White"/European festival. He pointed to the segregated krewes as evidence. Mardi Gras has been celebrated by all Creoles in New Orleans since the city's founding, but those segregated krewes date to around the Civil War period. Creoles in other parishes, like Pointe Coupee, still celebrate Mardi Gras without krewes. And, ironically, many of those krewes are Anglo rather than Creole in origin.
IslenoGutierrez mentioned that one of his ancestors was a high ranking officer under General Bernardo de Galvez, and that tracing your ancestry to that period is what makes a Creole. But didn't the ancestors of "Creoles of Color" also fight under General Bernardo de Galvez during the American Revolutionary War? Isn't that why "Creoles of Color" like Michael N. Henderson were inducted into the National Society, Sons of the American Revolution? Didn't hundreds of "Creoles of Color," known as the Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint-Domingue, fight in the American Revolutionary War under General Jean Baptiste Charles Henri Hector, comte d'Estaing in the Siege of Savannah? And didn't some of those "Creoles of Color" from the Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint-Domingue like Alexandre Petion, Andre Rigaud, Louis-Jacques Beauvaise, Martial Besse, Julien Raimond, and Henri Christophe go on to play an equally important role in the Haitian Revolution? Didn't "Creoles of Color" fight under General Andrew Jackson in the Battle of New Orleans during the War of 1812? Didn't "Creoles of Color" like Captain Andre Cailloux, and Major Francis E. Dumas serve with distinction during the Civil War? Didn't General Benjamin Butler say regarding Dumas, "he had more capability as a Major, than I had as a Major General"?
Again, I'm not trying to take away from what "white" Creoles contributed. But I think some of them are still peddling Reconstruction era myths about the contributions, or lack thereof, of "Creoles of Color".
So far as the media is concerned; tv ,movies , music videos, dark skinned women are discriminated against. However you do not see light skinned men. In the media light men are not visible. Love and Peace Barb W
I have noticed that until recently, not a lot of light-skinned brothers were in the limelight. Fortunately that has changed and you see Black people of all colors and feature types represented in entertainment. Keep it 100---as in 100% representation of the Black people.
@@prerog9585 you had a long time to shine you didn't fall from grace until gangsta rap got popular
Don`t get mad cause light skin people want to be with each other.
Why do you think certain "FIRSTS"were selected? Historically speaking, there is a pattern. A case in point is the selection of then Senator Obama and then Senator Harris. People I'm just saying, so don't hate....
Hi, Creole person here, we are black. If any Creole person that is very obviously black tries to say oh I'm not black I'm Creole, ignore them. Creole originally started off as a subculture. It was a subculture of African American people because that's what it still is. I don't know at what point people decided to try to make it its own ethnicity or race (not even following the definition of that word) but my grandmother and my great-grandmother are both Creole women one light skin Creole woman and one dark skin Creole woman both born in the early 1900s. They always seen themselves as black women within the Creole culture. Just like the Gullah people are black people within the Gullah culture. Creole has always had more to do with culture than it had anything to do with ethnicity.
I am very proud to be of the Creole culture and I'm very proud to be a black person. Its called African American Croele for a reason
Creole is not a subculture of African Americans especially when there are creole who re 65% European . I’m creole to
You are wrong, first off Creole is not a race, it's only a culture. Creoles first started off as full blooded white people (French) then later they started mixing with other ethnic groups. Most Creoles are mixed these days. There are still white Creoles and black Creoles out there as well, but most are mixed
@@Jumbo37279 Yes u are Correct. There are Creoles who are mostly white by blood and some who are mostly black by blood. I suggest people to take a DNA test instead of saying what they are and not really know 😑
@@ivamcole2304 bro stop stocking me holy hell. this is from years ago but no im not wrong. I never said creole was a race. In fact I specifically stated opposite. Creole is a Heritage. It's a cultural heritage. My family specifically is Louisiana Creole. There are different types of Creole. But it doesn't mean mixed and it doesn't mean light-skinned. In fact though your explanation of Latino is eerily similar to how I explain what latino means to other people.
@@ivamcole2304 and Creoles were not full-blooded white people like bro I can't even have a conversation with you
Creole means anyone born in the Americas. Has nothing to do with mixture. Although you have African creoles in Portugal
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i know a few of these people. you mean to tell me, no one called me to participate in this? lol
This video got Make us 💪💪💪 is only one r human in this world 🌍 only be United we can do better for our next generation arriba Raza United matter
Colorism is about data and outcomes in housing, policing, educational opportunities, sentencing, etc, not hurt feelings because someone called someone a name or not dating/marrying someone. Like racism, it’s systemic but too often we get into discussions which are not about systemic inequity but personal preference.
I’m darker than the speaker and yet I’m Creole but don’t announce it and my parents left Louisiana so they could protect us from colorism but it was worse on the West Coast (go figure).
Within our own race 9:52 -_- How are mixed people part of our race?
Scoring57 There black not in the same portion
@@epixdevo3180 they are both.
Why is he doing that Illuminati sign in the beginning?
He was a Freemason
Bad guy he is. He is a devil worshipper.
I hope Kanye can watch this video
I m heading to Louisiana as a favorable environment to develop "Viktor".
one persons past for the discrimination in there life does not define the person or color move forward!
11:29 beautiful light sista!
....reading through this comment section WILL lower your IQ. Fair Warning.... move along.
FknSpesh0 😂😂
LOL thank you for the warning... I'm going to look through it anyways and get back to you
Edit:..it was bad, should have listened
Well, 25 mins into this video made me move along! 😒😒
Thanks everyone for the warning. I'm moving on.
We are all mixed up! It's sad that people still have fiffre
Differences.
When we address the topic of race mixing between "blacks and whites" it's interesting that the same black Americans who lament having "white slavemaster ancestors" are today "willfully" entering into relationships with white women. The popular justification for this that black men give is that they are "getting back at" white men for slavery, as if "every white person in America" owned slaves at some point in America's history, and that is just not the case. Most white people could not afford to own slaves in America for all of her colonial and post-colonial history. Many white men were indentured servants and they ended up marrying Native American women, much to the detriment of the future of Native Americans in America. Are black men "getting back at" these white men as well?
What about the white Europeans who immigrated to the U.S. post-slavery. Are black men "getting back at" these white men also? It's a bogus premise to assume that they are "getting back at" white men by dating and marrying white women. Most slaveholder's descendants alive today are "White Old Money." They still "only marry other White Old Money", so black men aren't "getting back at" them at all. Black men, particularly educated, successful black men are doing a tremendous disservice to black women and the future of the black race in America by dating and marrying non-black women. By marrying these women, they are "in so many words" telling black women that they're not "good enough" to date or marry.
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You say that there are "just as many black women dating and marrying out" as there are black men, but statistically this is not the case. At any rate, that was not my point. My point was that the future of the black race in America is "threatened" because the most successful black males are not pairing up with, marrying, or having children with black women." Most black athletes who do marry, will marry non-black women. Michael Jordan's grandchildren and great-grandchildren will not "identify as black" since mixed race people with white mothers are more likely to marry non-blacks than black people are. African-Americans are going the way of the Native American. Marrying out and breeding out, while anyone who "stays within the group" produced offspring who will lag far behind the rest of American society. That was my point.
***** I am talking about black women with two black biological parents, not mixed people, or those who identify as "creoles." Over 70 percent of all black women in America are single.
The latest U.S. Census data tells us that 70% of black adult women are "not married" and numerous "representative samples" of black women in the U.S. show that 70 to 72% of black women are not married. At least 70% of all black babies are born to unmarried black women. Again, I don't say this to "stir the pot" with anyone, but the facts do not lie. The best that anyone can do is to hold themselves to a higher standard than the "common cretin."
While it's true that "not being married does not necessarily mean that a person is without a mate", for the purpose of the U.S. Census, and other comprehensive demographic surveys, the word "single" is often used synonymously with "unmarried." Many women (of various races and ethnicities) allow men to "hit it and quit it" and this often leads to millions of unplanned pregnancies and multi-generational dependency on public assistance. This problem is more salient in some groups than others in America.
+Scorch1028 please tell me where u getting.your stats from
people of color live now where they want and those who say you mixed is a racists term ( ) so live life where you choose, and those that still hate move on.
This is why we should stop hate. It was a dumb color trick and we bought it ..now we need to do away with it.
The truth is different people like or are attracted to different things & people or certain ethnic features ,, the sad part is to show hatred or discuss for differences your not attracted to
This video reminds me of Tisha Campbell-Martin and Tichina Arnold being compared. Almost everyone says Tichina looks better than Tisha. I find this strange because it’s not as if Tisha is an ugly woman. Don’t get me wrong Tichina is a beautiful woman and I get why some people think she looks better than Tisha. Then again many people say Tichina looks better just because they don’t want to be labeled colorstruck if they were to say Tisha looks better. There is nothing wrong with saying a light skin person looks better than a dark skin as long as you say it in a respectful way.
What happened is, the type of colorism that came out of Haiti from the Mulattos (Black creoles) who migrated to Louisiana, these Mulattos were placed ABOVE the black slave class in Haiti. So they brought that same mentality and culture to Louisiana. The white French didn’t consider the Mulattos as white, but they also didn’t label them as black. I think their form of colorism also permeated nationally even amongst those who weren’t mixed with white French into being political, the mindset that mixed race black people are “better” Smarter, look better, and genetically better than black people.
What these “creoles” also fail to mention is how mixed race women where mostly pushed into prostitution in brothels to “service” white men. I guess because white people choose them to “serve up” white men, these people were of the mindset that they were better.
Lastly, what somewhat changed to turn the creole into black is when the British or America took over Louisiana, they didn’t consider creole people anything other than Black. To the American whites (British), creole were just light skinned black and they treated them as such. Which put the mixed race black creole in the same box as black.
People créole is a language
hello i am german.. i just understand a half
Nice work. Gimme some skin.
Louisiana Creole folk are a lot like some Coloured people here in South Africa (specifically the Cape though). Most are multiracial. And a lot of coloured people also prefer to disassociate themselves with the black population here. You wouldn’t dare make the mistake of calling a coloured person “black” here in Cape Town.
It’s less common here in Louisiana than in Kaapstad and even then Cape Coloureds are descended mainly from tribes that are as genetically different as can be from the Nguni tribes currently in the area and trust me,most of them definitely look nothing resembling a black person. Ernie Lastig was a Cape Coloured and looked more white than anything
@@Dragoncam13 It really depends, I have met some Creoles who look straight up "black", others what is considered "white", and some who look ambiguous racially. Even within there families they are a huge variation.
La vérité c'est que les français sont beaucoup moins racistes que les anglo-saxons. Créoles? Tous simplement le résultat de français(es) qui sont tombés en amour avec des africain(es).
I wouldn't say less racist, but historically, Creoles have been less racialist than their Anglo counterparts. For example, in the old days when Creoles were asked "what are you" (and they were constantly being asked that question), they would just say "Creole". Not "black" Creole, not "white" Creole, just Creole. That's how Creoles back in the day like Kid Ory, Barney Bigard, Jelly Roll Morton, Warren Barrios Wilson, Ernest J. Torregano, etc., answered that question. But as Creoles become more Americanized, some feel compelled to adopt a racialized identity. So, when they're asked the same question now, some will say "I'm a black Creole," "I'm a white Creole," etc.
no one forgets that we have native decent but its just such a mess the way people see us. my mother is creole...native and french and african my father is cuban and irish so thats in its way a creole ..but people have so many views on creole.
I always identify as mixed or mixed creole..but more then likely just mixed...creole is a mix.
I wonder how many really do have Native blood. Genetic testing has been showing that most Americans don't.
I do agree with you about French and Spanish people being less racist than the Anglo-Saxons. However, French people can be racist too. You should watch a French Movie called, La Haine. It shows how modern French Society feels about other races that are not white.
Native Americans of this hemisphere are a mixture of Black and Yellow. So of course it does not show.
Basically creole is mixed people PERIOD
And you introduce the video with the mythical Willie Lynch letter, that did not exist. You need to stop. We brought the Colorism from Africa with us.
Chile it’s 2023 and idk who that “high yella” man in that Bill Cosby sweater is but he is annoying me with his dismissal of colorism.