Great vid. I think archaeologists went back in time and confirmed that the best played ground type of all time is blunder life orb garchomp vs ojama stour 2018. That's just what I read online though
Hippo always feels like the inverse of role compression. it’s what you use when you want zero distraction from being a bulky ground type. it’s the pure experience
The BST isn't insane, what's really setting Gen 9 apart and making it's mons crazy is the amount of minmaxing gamefreak has done with them. In an older generation Great Tusk would have traded some of its insane physical bulk and power for some extra special attack it would never use.
what's neat about gen 9 is that, after a hiatus from getting new OU viable ground types for a few generations, we got a ton dropped on us this generation and they're pretty much all good. some (sandy shocks, toedscruel) are niche but incredibly novel for ground types, and some (great tusk, clodsire) are doing what OU grounds have always done. and you still have some of the classics around (garchomp) who are better than ever! it's a renaissance generation for ground types, and as a big fan of them i'm so happy to see it.
in all fairness, any meta where lando-t exists you have to be super special to have a niche as a ground type. gliscor is an unkillable wall, garchomp has basically a perfect stat spread. donphan and excadrill get rapid spin. the quag forms aren't aware they're supposed to be bad. and then the slug beats rotom
Excadrill did fall off through mid Gen 8, but Sand saw a resurgence in the last three to four months of the gen and the HO Lead Drill made a comeback, leading to Drill having about 5% usage in that time period. However, due to the tiers freezing 6(?) months before the end of Gen 8 it never rose back to OU.
It never ceases to amuse me how little of any of bkcs videos remains after gen 5. Halfway through the generations takes 90% of the video and its hilarious
Seeing that Ice Beam and Hydro Pump on Swampert at 15:03 really makes me wonder how different of a game ADV OU would be if it had the Physical/Special Split from Gen 4.
Your insights of the different pokemon metagames, the types and the individual mons have made me get really into the game and improve in my plays and builds. I would like to thank you for the knowledge provided and for your constant support to the community
Hey BKC, on team builder, you can click the "type" column header in the Pokémon list (when choosing the pokemon species) and from there you can filter by types.
I think the one you might have been looking for in gen 8 was Seismitoad? It was very heavily used during early gen 8 due to it's utility vs Dracovish and Cinderace but then became a niche swift swimmer after those two were banned to ubers.
Man I remember Gastrodon in gen 7. It randomly showed up and blanked the meta game. Everyone said it was trash and its stats don’t hold up anymore, but then when people actually used it, it was a solid mon.
Water/Ground is a great defensive typing. Swampert was amazing, and both Gastrodon and Quagsire can check a large number of threats well in spite of their lackluster stats thanks to their Abilities (Storm Drain and Water Absorb/Unaware respectively)
Theres some stuff I want to mention. With this I mean 2 Pokemon and some demonstrations For one Diggersby was seen more on rare occasions but it still is something you have to play around carefull. Its Normal type also allowed it to switch Aegislash to pull of powerfull EQs afterwards. Another one would be Nidoking in gen 8. In the right hands this thing can cause a lot of trouble and break a lot of defensive stuff. Another groovy thing I woulddve liked to see wouldve been the ways of handeling ground types with interesting tools. Air balloon and Magnet rise alone showed how strong Stab earthquakes are hard to deal with so Pokemon like Starmie and Magnezone (as for the new Generation Goldengo) would go out of their way just to handle this to pull of spins or fighting back instead of switching out. I think all of those nuances show how good grounds are. I just wanted to mention these. Those werent big discussion points and not really part of what this series is all about, so thats why Im posting it here.
Could you imagine if Toedsccruel didn’t have its ability and could fire off spore from a 100 base speed? Would be extremely infuriating to say the least.
I'm actually kind of disappointed you didn't touch on zygarde in gen 7. To this day I hold the opinion that that thing is one of the most unholy things that has ever run rampant in ou. Sub coil glare thousand arrows still shows up in my nightmares
gen 3-current donphans best set imo is super underrated. CB donphan murders things in ways noone ever expects. and its still a super effective rocker or spinner even if its not
Gens 4-8 were dominated by nearly the same list of ground types, especially after gen 5. And none of them were introduced in gens 1-3 or 6-8. So gens 4-5 completely redefined ground types & they were never dethroned until Daddy Tusk showed up to take everyone's lunch money.
Iron treads is pretty cool. Unfortunately it’s steel typing gives it weaknesses to over 1/4 of the OU tier. Not counting common offensive coverage. This generation is incredible.
Another thing about the ddtar flygon mu in adv is if ttar is running a special move on its dd set it's usually hp grass for pert and flygon stonewalls that set even harder
Hey BKC i hope you are doing well. Im not sure youll see this or even respond but i gotta get thia off my chest and i need an expert pokemon players opinion. So in your offense vs defense video it got me thinking. Alot of people namely verlisify think smogon is toxic and anti offense. To the point of making balance the most viable archetype. Often this gets viewed as unfun and the games require to many bulky teams. For example gen 7 ou pex ferro fini tornaus the list goes on. The idea i think is that the council bans strong offensive mons like pheramosa and mega salamence yet keeps unbreakable walls like pex and blissey and lando even tho they warp the meta just as much as their offensive counterparts and require alot of prep to break them where otherwise without so many bans to powerful breakers and sweepers the strong walls would be more managable. What are your thoughts? I myself am a little torn. While i understand the strain super op and offensive pokemon put on teambuilding i also see the same trend for defense and i feel as tho im watching it in real time with how gen 9 is shaping out. Chi yu annilape light clay ban the list goes on. Anyone else please feel free to comment but yea sorry for long post. Love you and your conent and hope you are well. 😄
The fact that Iron Treads is better in ubers than in OU suggests that it has some potentially-valuable tools that it doesn't fully use yet. When Pokemon home comes out, its usage might increase
That potential tool is the electric immunity, which right now is the least useful it's ever been in any ou ever because the only volt switcher / actual electric type is rotom-wash which washes treads no conditioner.
Hey BKC could you talk about how gsc to adv changing how Evs work affected individual Pokémon matchups and the game at large I just thought about how weird it is that in gsc and rby you always know the damage range of attacks. To me that seems nearly as big as pre and post team preview
This video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix myself a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm a really shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I could introduce myself. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she had a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I wanted the best for her and I harbored no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seemed happy with her boyfriend, so I didn't bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it. I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already since I first saw her. Besides, I am quite happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wanted to live some other life without me in it, so I said, "Okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness." My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally couldn''t take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, "you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get myself a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got so distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video." She said, "You know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer." So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.
We need a fast rock/ground type instead of a bulky one, and give it a rock type equivalent of Earthquake. Ban it to Ubers or even AG, I don't care, I just want EdgeQuake coverage with stab on both that doesn't require me to take a minimum of 70% before I move
youre forgetting gen2 sandslash gets rapid spin and outspeeds a lot of pokemon at +1, although it doesnt hit that hard usually 30-40% it can pick up a few knockouts especially since zapdos or raikou are usually the last pokemon sacked before snorlax
Great vid. I think archaeologists went back in time and confirmed that the best played ground type of all time is blunder life orb garchomp vs ojama stour 2018. That's just what I read online though
No reason to doubt it fr
This post was fact checked and confirmed TRUE by the agency
Hippo always feels like the inverse of role compression. it’s what you use when you want zero distraction from being a bulky ground type. it’s the pure experience
Hippo is just vibing in his shoal. He's such a mood.
@@MenwithHill slack off is indeed a mood.
@@MenwithHill fr
I mean it does bring sand
Me when the mon that provides a volt immunity, sandstorm, phazing, hazard setting and just overall walling prowess has "no role compression".
BKC marveling at Great Tusk's stats gave me a chuckle.
time stamp?
I agree. Power creep has been an issue for a long time and it's getting worse and worse.
@@JDoradoTube 53:36
The BST isn't insane, what's really setting Gen 9 apart and making it's mons crazy is the amount of minmaxing gamefreak has done with them. In an older generation Great Tusk would have traded some of its insane physical bulk and power for some extra special attack it would never use.
@@MenwithHill Meaning that it's better than it would've been on a previous gen, isn't this also powercreep?
we love gsc golem
They deserve it after the fall from grace in Gen 1.
I miss his spin so much in the newer gens..
Idk even know why I like him he's just dope
what's neat about gen 9 is that, after a hiatus from getting new OU viable ground types for a few generations, we got a ton dropped on us this generation and they're pretty much all good. some (sandy shocks, toedscruel) are niche but incredibly novel for ground types, and some (great tusk, clodsire) are doing what OU grounds have always done. and you still have some of the classics around (garchomp) who are better than ever! it's a renaissance generation for ground types, and as a big fan of them i'm so happy to see it.
What no Ferrothorn does to a metagame.
in all fairness, any meta where lando-t exists you have to be super special to have a niche as a ground type. gliscor is an unkillable wall, garchomp has basically a perfect stat spread. donphan and excadrill get rapid spin. the quag forms aren't aware they're supposed to be bad. and then the slug beats rotom
finally a REAL BKC video that i can use as my sleep aid
Excadrill did fall off through mid Gen 8, but Sand saw a resurgence in the last three to four months of the gen and the HO Lead Drill made a comeback, leading to Drill having about 5% usage in that time period. However, due to the tiers freezing 6(?) months before the end of Gen 8 it never rose back to OU.
It never ceases to amuse me how little of any of bkcs videos remains after gen 5. Halfway through the generations takes 90% of the video and its hilarious
Old generations have more information to talk about because they've been figured out so well. New generations are more experimental.
Seeing that Ice Beam and Hydro Pump on Swampert at 15:03 really makes me wonder how different of a game ADV OU would be if it had the Physical/Special Split from Gen 4.
waterfall and ice punch would go crazy on swampert
Ice beam does more than ice punch uninvested plus not affected by mences intimidate which is its main target
Holy shit -Heatran, probably
8 fucking ground types
i mean heatran is gonna thrive, magma storm -> tera blast grass. What ground type would want to switch into it
tusk will start running ice spinner a lot lore frequently because of tera grass heatran lol
@@boop53 it would rather just cc lol
@@darthhydreigon820 tera bug tran will be nice as well
New BKC feature length production: The Wild and Wacky world of ADV TTar sets.
Your insights of the different pokemon metagames, the types and the individual mons have made me get really into the game and improve in my plays and builds. I would like to thank you for the knowledge provided and for your constant support to the community
right? i cant wait until he makes a video about electric, fairy (would be short) or bug!
Nothing quite like a Windows notifications during a BKC video. Classic!
Second only to the iconic bathroom breaks.
Hey BKC, on team builder, you can click the "type" column header in the Pokémon list (when choosing the pokemon species) and from there you can filter by types.
Yeah it's so annoying he doesn't do this
@@zakkschmitt5610 his willful ignorance is my favorite characteristic of BKC
@@zakkschmitt5610 it doesn't annoy me, I'm just saying to it's easier for him to no accidentally overlook a Mon during the discussion
And what, take precious seconds away from the video? Perish the thought!
would love to see a video on grass types. they have such an underappreciated niche in comp
Agreed
Be me, rewatching 2-3 year old BKC type videos.
Be youtube, recommending a new video if only to get me to stop rewatching the old ones.
And now in Gen 9 there's gonna be like 8 different good Ground types once Home drops
Holy shit -Heatran probably
Lando, Great Tusk, Garchomp, Ting-lu, what else?
Ursaluna gliscor iron treads and something else
Edit: clod
@@OSoverspike clod
i mean yes.... but now ground types dont want to switch in, unless ur smth like garchomp
I think the one you might have been looking for in gen 8 was Seismitoad? It was very heavily used during early gen 8 due to it's utility vs Dracovish and Cinderace but then became a niche swift swimmer after those two were banned to ubers.
Man I remember Gastrodon in gen 7. It randomly showed up and blanked the meta game. Everyone said it was trash and its stats don’t hold up anymore, but then when people actually used it, it was a solid mon.
Yeah I used a toxic recover hydro pump power gem set with water absorb, great switch in for rain
Water/Ground is a great defensive typing. Swampert was amazing, and both Gastrodon and Quagsire can check a large number of threats well in spite of their lackluster stats thanks to their Abilities (Storm Drain and Water Absorb/Unaware respectively)
41:53 jumpscare warning
Theres some stuff I want to mention. With this I mean 2 Pokemon and some demonstrations
For one Diggersby was seen more on rare occasions but it still is something you have to play around carefull. Its Normal type also allowed it to switch Aegislash to pull of powerfull EQs afterwards.
Another one would be Nidoking in gen 8. In the right hands this thing can cause a lot of trouble and break a lot of defensive stuff.
Another groovy thing I woulddve liked to see wouldve been the ways of handeling ground types with interesting tools.
Air balloon and Magnet rise alone showed how strong Stab earthquakes are hard to deal with so Pokemon like Starmie and Magnezone (as for the new Generation Goldengo) would go out of their way just to handle this to pull of spins or fighting back instead of switching out.
I think all of those nuances show how good grounds are. I just wanted to mention these. Those werent big discussion points and not really part of what this series is all about, so thats why Im posting it here.
Yeah nidoking was a pretty fun bootleg landorus-I
Finally my favourite type. So many banger Pokemon and fantastic moves that share the ground type.
Nice, i love BKC's competitive history compendiums
rip RBY Golem I love him
It's okay, he is now UU, courtesy of three Electric types and the normal-type takeover of UU, which somehow also lowered Persian stocks.
don't show heatran this video
Make sure to show earthworm this video
live orthworm reaction
Could you imagine if Toedsccruel didn’t have its ability and could fire off spore from a 100 base speed?
Would be extremely infuriating to say the least.
BKC's on a tear rn!
I'm actually kind of disappointed you didn't touch on zygarde in gen 7. To this day I hold the opinion that that thing is one of the most unholy things that has ever run rampant in ou. Sub coil glare thousand arrows still shows up in my nightmares
2:34 what is the enemy of Ground types? a Flying type! and what is the other resist? Grass.
just gonna not mention bug at all huh
bug types were ass in gen 1
gen 3-current donphans best set imo is super underrated. CB donphan murders things in ways noone ever expects. and its still a super effective rocker or spinner even if its not
Im never gonna forget excadrill spdef that set is goated
in summary: completely carried by earthquake
Gens 4-8 were dominated by nearly the same list of ground types, especially after gen 5. And none of them were introduced in gens 1-3 or 6-8. So gens 4-5 completely redefined ground types & they were never dethroned until Daddy Tusk showed up to take everyone's lunch money.
Ting-Lu and Clodsire too
and Ursaluna before it gets banned
Heatran shivering and screaming in the corner rn
Iron treads is pretty cool.
Unfortunately it’s steel typing gives it weaknesses to over 1/4 of the OU tier. Not counting common offensive coverage.
This generation is incredible.
The fact that it's better in Ubers than in OU makes me curious how it will perform after pokemon home comes out
Another thing about the ddtar flygon mu in adv is if ttar is running a special move on its dd set it's usually hp grass for pert and flygon stonewalls that set even harder
The Great Tusks of Sadness
i just watched your “building rain in bw ou” video yesterday, might give bw ou a try (i will miss so many hydro pumps with specs keldeo)
1 hour video about ground types
"Holy shit"- heatran,probably
Don't worry Mr KickinChicken, we've all run Black Glasses instead of Sludge by accident. Better to do it on RUclips than in a tournament.
These vids go so fucking hard.
Sometimes I wonder what it would look like if mamoswine was always the final evolution of swinub, and it was in gens 2 and 3
Was hoping niche analysis of GSC Quagsire
Great vid
Ground type in let’s go. Let’s hear how it matters. (It does)
20:28 it's really funny to say that a mono-ground pokemon isnt a ground type
I get what you mean, but lol
Id love to see some videos like this about the other types as well. Great job.
You forgot Seismitoad, always a niche pick over Gastrodon, but it was like Gastrodon for an offensive team. Or usually rain.
Thanks daddy for uploading great content I will fall asleep to and will be curious in the morning what WAS the history of ground types?
daddy??
Resistance to rock and electric immunity? Yes, please
*seismitoad in current USUM OU has entered the chat*
Hey BKC i hope you are doing well. Im not sure youll see this or even respond but i gotta get thia off my chest and i need an expert pokemon players opinion. So in your offense vs defense video it got me thinking. Alot of people namely verlisify think smogon is toxic and anti offense. To the point of making balance the most viable archetype. Often this gets viewed as unfun and the games require to many bulky teams. For example gen 7 ou pex ferro fini tornaus the list goes on. The idea i think is that the council bans strong offensive mons like pheramosa and mega salamence yet keeps unbreakable walls like pex and blissey and lando even tho they warp the meta just as much as their offensive counterparts and require alot of prep to break them where otherwise without so many bans to powerful breakers and sweepers the strong walls would be more managable. What are your thoughts? I myself am a little torn. While i understand the strain super op and offensive pokemon put on teambuilding i also see the same trend for defense and i feel as tho im watching it in real time with how gen 9 is shaping out. Chi yu annilape light clay ban the list goes on. Anyone else please feel free to comment but yea sorry for long post. Love you and your conent and hope you are well. 😄
Ah, Heatran's worst nightmare. Noted.
Eight fucking ground types
I've seen this a few times in this comment section, what is this referring to?
@@Z-score8786 It's a meme from r/stunfisk
The fact that Iron Treads is better in ubers than in OU suggests that it has some potentially-valuable tools that it doesn't fully use yet. When Pokemon home comes out, its usage might increase
That potential tool is the electric immunity, which right now is the least useful it's ever been in any ou ever because the only volt switcher / actual electric type is rotom-wash which washes treads no conditioner.
What if natures existed in gen 1 and 2. Would it change the metagame in any noticeable way?
Hey BKC could you talk about how gsc to adv changing how Evs work affected individual Pokémon matchups and the game at large
I just thought about how weird it is that in gsc and rby you always know the damage range of attacks. To me that seems nearly as big as pre and post team preview
Rhydon these -
these what ?
Just imagine ice types resisting ground?
This video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix myself a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm a really shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I could introduce myself. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she had a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I wanted the best for her and I harbored no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seemed happy with her boyfriend, so I didn't bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it. I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already since I first saw her. Besides, I am quite happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wanted to live some other life without me in it, so I said, "Okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness." My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally couldn''t take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, "you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get myself a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got so distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video." She said, "You know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer." So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.
You had me invested fr, i feel betrayed
Nidoking also got the ability Sheer Force in Gen 5
0:22 Was that pun intentional? You have the drill pokemon on screen (well one of four).
Zapdos is good, steels are good, stealth rock is good. Earthquake is good. Logically, ground types are good.
We need a fast rock/ground type instead of a bulky one, and give it a rock type equivalent of Earthquake. Ban it to Ubers or even AG, I don't care, I just want EdgeQuake coverage with stab on both that doesn't require me to take a minimum of 70% before I move
Topic is borring for me but presentation is really great. ...
Nidoking from Gen 5 onwards is a weaker Landorus I with Bolt-Beam and actual double stab too
You sound a lot like T90Official, an Age of Empires RUclipsr. Has anyone else ever said that? Lol
You forgot about Diggersby :(
youre forgetting gen2 sandslash gets rapid spin and outspeeds a lot of pokemon at +1, although it doesnt hit that hard usually 30-40% it can pick up a few knockouts especially since zapdos or raikou are usually the last pokemon sacked before snorlax
Ok but how do you get to +1 to begin with?
@@KahilaTheArtSlime he's thinking of buffed rapid spin
Sleep gang report out
Sandslash has more base atk than nidoking its definitely not weak
it really got me emotional when ground types said "it's quakin time" and quaked all over the every generation of games
thumbnail should have been 15 lando-t's unsubscribed
Does "history of type coverage" peak intrest?
Nice to see Rhydon stomp on Golem in Gen 1.
Golem is marginally worse than Rhydon in gen 1, and, therefore, it's useless
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