Thank you very much for the shout out, much appreciated! I have one of those coping saws with the truss frame and its gorgeous! Mainly for the red finish but it kinda works well too...
The coping saw was never "traditionally" supposed to cut on the push stroke, it is always supposed to cut on the pull stroke. Trying to cut on the push is like pushing string You should also keep your stock flat on the bench, handle below and cut on the down stroke- you'll be able to see and follow the line easier
One of the OLD guys has the blade twisted. Vertical more or less at the tip and nearly horizontal at the handle.He shoves it in the dovetail slot and as it enter it self rotates to get the base cleared out.
Great advice. I used a coping saw for 40 years do things it made more difficult than necessary. Then I got a good fret saw. Now I can do things like dovetail clearing and intricate marquetry. GET RID OF THE COPING SAW AND GET A GOOD FRET SAW!
I have to tell you I came across your video with you and your father doing xmas trees only a few weeks ago and thought this is the most dysfunctional thing I've ever seen but got sucked in so I watched! so over the past two weeks I've watched and learned more in this short time than ever before and have to say you and your father are truly masters of the woodworking field!!! Cheers!!!
Love watching Matt E. He's doing great. His editing is on point and he has some sort of knack for relating to the viewer. I think part of it is his notion to admit his mistakes and tell you his stories about he learned. His piston-fit drawer story is pretty funny.
I’ve been using the push cut for the simple reason that is the way the blade was installed when I bought it. Like shooting a pistol sideways, like it came out of the box.
Very nice of you to promote someone else who works in your same space. You're an admirable man. Good tricks with the coping saw too, however I think a better way to get out waste in dovetails is by turning the coping saw blade to 30 degrees. There is no turning while sawing needed. That's hard to do with dovetails because that cut has to be very accurate and tight.
I use the pinned blades I use in my Porter Cable scroll saw. My Knew Concepts saw uses the unpinned ones like my Dremel Scroll saw. This allows a wide selection of tooth patterns and widths. I use a super thin blade on my dovetails.
I am subscribed to a only few woodworking technique/education style channels, yours and Matt's are 2 of them. Both of you put out great content. Keep up the good work.
Never thought about blade direction. What you say makes perfect sense. Another great information packed video. It would be interesting to see if you could put a second cross bar under spring tension vs having to step up to a higher priced coping saw.
Like a bow saw. Ya, use those more than coping. You can see it hanging on wall. Made about 60 of them as a fund raiser once. Reason why I don't own a fancy coping saw.
May be a solution looking for s problem, but I have a Japanese Freeway coping saw which had a spiral wound blade which allows the saw to the cut in any direction without thinking about the saw blade orientation or tension (Axminster Tools sell them). The saw is a little more expensive as are the blades, but I’m still on the original blade after 2 years if occasional use.
@wortheffort I havent found the answer yet in your videos to this question... What tool do you use to cut the "J" design for yarn bowls? Or do you not mess with these types of bowls? Thanks for the content and time!
Great, u put in to words what is really going on with this saws, I been dealing with this problems since I use them, and found solutions the hard way... Great video! Thanks!
I have used many coping saws of many styles but the best one I found out is Knew concepts saw. Very light, very good tension and.....a mediocre-slim-what’s-your-gnome-handle I need to replace ASAP. It is quite expensive but worth every penny imho. Ps the handle is still better than on any other fret/coping saws I tried. Cheers
Thank You! Reminds me, found mine broken after years of hanging on wall; Had to Switch 'projects'. Now i get to check out different styles. =] i'll be back ~
Blue Spruce just came out or is coming out with an interesting one and Knew Concepts is kinda the gold standard right now. On the cheap side I use Olsen.
A fantastic video. I have exactly the same coping saw and will implement your recommendations. Your video recommendations are a great resource and a real service to viewers and the "community" of content creators.
Thanks for the info and well thought out. My comment/Question is really for the Manufacturers of coping saws; Why would you not recommend the use of the Pull stroke (even as an alternative) since you have been manufacturing these and presumably using Continuous Improvement through R&D, for so many years? OR, Do you already and no one notices???
I don't think manufacturers recommend one way or the other. They let the users decide. It's just more traditional to set saws up on the push when you work on a bench. Pattern of behavior....
My budget was below $30. I spent hours upon hours searching for a decent coping saw. All of the 'classic ones' have the same flimsy frame. In parallel, I was researching traditional fame saws. Eureka! I just need a small frame saw with a narrow blade. So I bought the Gramercy coping saw DIY set. The one with pins and 3 different blades. Making the actual frame comes next. Also, who says coping saw has to be 9" or so?! Google 'frank klaus dovetails' and see him doing dovetails with a freaking resaw frame saw! // Second: Who says you can't go Slavic for a day ;) by stiffening the top part of the flimsy frame with an extra piece of metal? Doable in 30 minutes with screws and some flat stock. Trusses are used only to keep everything as light as possible and for the marketing gleem. // One last tip: Bahco sells hacksaw blades of as low as 14 TPI. Just saying.
Pst... check out my tool rack behind bench. You might see something. I've made about 60 of those Gramercy kits. My real go to waste removal tool. But that's something you need tools to make. These cheap coping saws are a good start.
Haha, nice one! Thnx for the SO to Matt's channel. He's kinda brilliant in his own humorous way and I like his vids very much as I do yours and of course Wood by Wright where the woodworking-but first hit me! Keep up making these great little vids. They're a real big help in understanding the real 'art' of woodworking!
I just got a coping saw so I really appreciated this video, nice timing =) but every time I use it my thumb joint swells up A considerable amount, so the first thing I thought was that I was holding it wrong. do you have any tips on holding it?
Holy Cow Shawn....you're a bloody mind reader! Just ordered a new coping saw yesterday; arrives tomorrow. How'd you do that? cheers...richard in normandy
I have a question unrelated to the video. I need a idea for a easy turning gift for a friend. I am a rookie turner and need something easy. Thanks a lot
Have to do one more art piece then investigating. Likely 3x5 (like a postcard) B&W. StickerMule has been recommended. Also have to save up for the investment, it's a lot of money.
Great recommendations. I have to look for some star washers. I have one more suggestion. Turn the blade around (not push vs pull) so that the blade is following the line of motion, rather than leading it. www.timberframe-tools.com/tools/coping-saw-blade-direction-you-lead-blade-follows/ It makes quite an improvement both in ease of use, and in precision of cuts.
Coping saws as with fret saws are designed to be used on the pull stroke. Incompetents carpenters have used them on the push stroke and perpetuated that mistake even the This old house stars. I have used coping saws for over 40 years and almost never break a blade. Just learn how to use the tool and save all the heartache.
Watch my video on Dovetails or this next project one and you'll see why I break em on occasion (one every few years?). The bending and force gets them real hot fast. It's the pivoting in one spot that does it.
Thank you very much for the shout out, much appreciated! I have one of those coping saws with the truss frame and its gorgeous! Mainly for the red finish but it kinda works well too...
Tools by color, glad I'm not alone.
And I love the Jesus pen.
An essential piece of kit!
Matt is definitely worth a shout out, heck he even knows how to pronounce Lie-Nielsen correctly :p
I've since fixed my errors....
The coping saw was never "traditionally" supposed to cut on the push stroke, it is always supposed to cut on the pull stroke. Trying to cut on the push is like pushing string
You should also keep your stock flat on the bench, handle below and cut on the down stroke- you'll be able to see and follow the line easier
One of the OLD guys has the blade twisted. Vertical more or less at the tip and nearly horizontal at the handle.He shoves it in the dovetail slot and as it enter it self rotates to get the base cleared out.
Great tips Shawn, thanks. Matt is also recommending your channel to his viewers. I really like his irreverent sense of humor.
Irreverent vs Cocky... Europe vs USA...
I´ve built a small frame saw to use as a coping saw. That gives me as much tension as I want.
Great advice. I used a coping saw for 40 years do things it made more difficult than necessary. Then I got a good fret saw. Now I can do things like dovetail clearing and intricate marquetry. GET RID OF THE COPING SAW AND GET A GOOD FRET SAW!
Both serve a purpose.
I have to tell you I came across your video with you and your father doing xmas trees only a few weeks ago and thought this is the most dysfunctional thing I've ever seen but got sucked in so I watched! so over the past two weeks I've watched and learned more in this short time than ever before and have to say you and your father are truly masters of the woodworking field!!! Cheers!!!
Thanks
Love watching Matt E. He's doing great. His editing is on point and he has some sort of knack for relating to the viewer. I think part of it is his notion to admit his mistakes and tell you his stories about he learned.
His piston-fit drawer story is pretty funny.
yep yep.
Great video, just starting out in woodwork and how to load a blade and use it was perfect. More of this please.
A Home Depot husky coping saw doesn’t have the problem of the blade spinning because it has a different mechanism to hold the blade
Never heard of using push cut on a coping saw, i was taught to only use pull cut,you get more control.
I've seen it both ways, pull make sense to me.
I’ve been using the push cut for the simple reason that is the way the blade was installed when I bought it. Like shooting a pistol sideways, like it came out of the box.
Very nice of you to promote someone else who works in your same space. You're an admirable man.
Good tricks with the coping saw too, however I think a better way to get out waste in dovetails is by turning the coping saw blade to 30 degrees. There is no turning while sawing needed. That's hard to do with dovetails because that cut has to be very accurate and tight.
I use the pinned blades I use in my Porter Cable scroll saw. My Knew Concepts saw uses the unpinned ones like my Dremel Scroll saw. This allows a wide selection of tooth patterns and widths. I use a super thin blade on my dovetails.
I am subscribed to a only few woodworking technique/education style channels, yours and Matt's are 2 of them. Both of you put out great content. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
Never thought about blade direction. What you say makes perfect sense. Another great information packed video. It would be interesting to see if you could put a second cross bar under spring tension vs having to step up to a higher priced coping saw.
Like a bow saw. Ya, use those more than coping. You can see it hanging on wall. Made about 60 of them as a fund raiser once. Reason why I don't own a fancy coping saw.
May be a solution looking for s problem, but I have a Japanese Freeway coping saw which had a spiral wound blade which allows the saw to the cut in any direction without thinking about the saw blade orientation or tension (Axminster Tools sell them). The saw is a little more expensive as are the blades, but I’m still on the original blade after 2 years if occasional use.
Mate, Thanks for the video, much appreciated as a newbie to woodwork altogether, I learn alot, you talk to us not at us, keep up the great work.
Thanks, I'm developing the "Classroom Series" of videos specifically for newbies. Consider checking out that series.
Thanks
I found you and Matt at about the same time instantly sub to both and raided your archives! No regrets.
Thanks
@wortheffort I havent found the answer yet in your videos to this question... What tool do you use to cut the "J" design for yarn bowls? Or do you not mess with these types of bowls? Thanks for the content and time!
Daniel Syverstad coping daw.
@@wortheffort Was hoping for some hidden gem... *Grumbles* This is the way....
Great, u put in to words what is really going on with this saws, I been dealing with this problems since I use them, and found solutions the hard way... Great video! Thanks!
Thanks
Best video on coping saws
Love your videos man! Your simple instructions and information are easy to follow. Keep up the great videos
Thanks
I have used many coping saws of many styles but the best one I found out is Knew concepts saw. Very light, very good tension and.....a mediocre-slim-what’s-your-gnome-handle I need to replace ASAP.
It is quite expensive but worth every penny imho.
Ps the handle is still better than on any other fret/coping saws I tried.
Cheers
Yep, that's one of those trellis frame jobs.
Brilliant. I agree entirely about coping saw. Hate them! Brilliant advice though about keeping the saw in motion to move around shapes
Thanks, and yep.
Thank You! Reminds me, found mine broken after years of hanging on wall; Had to Switch 'projects'. Now i get to check out different styles. =] i'll be back ~
Blue Spruce just came out or is coming out with an interesting one and Knew Concepts is kinda the gold standard right now. On the cheap side I use Olsen.
I use it with a pull stroke too (it's a Bahco 301), I have no real problem with the push stroke now btw but I had when I started using it.
I learned way more than I expected from this video. Thanks!
Thanks
I didn't realize you could change the angle of the blade to cut in any direction whether it be to the person or away from the person
can i use it to cut a stack of hay/straw?
A fantastic video. I have exactly the same coping saw and will implement your recommendations. Your video recommendations are a great resource and a real service to viewers and the "community" of content creators.
Thanks
Thanks for the info and well thought out.
My comment/Question is really for the Manufacturers of coping saws; Why would you not recommend the use of the Pull stroke (even as an alternative) since you have been manufacturing these and presumably using Continuous Improvement through R&D, for so many years? OR, Do you already and no one notices???
I don't think manufacturers recommend one way or the other. They let the users decide. It's just more traditional to set saws up on the push when you work on a bench. Pattern of behavior....
My budget was below $30. I spent hours upon hours searching for a decent coping saw. All of the 'classic ones' have the same flimsy frame. In parallel, I was researching traditional fame saws. Eureka! I just need a small frame saw with a narrow blade. So I bought the Gramercy coping saw DIY set. The one with pins and 3 different blades. Making the actual frame comes next. Also, who says coping saw has to be 9" or so?! Google 'frank klaus dovetails' and see him doing dovetails with a freaking resaw frame saw! // Second: Who says you can't go Slavic for a day ;) by stiffening the top part of the flimsy frame with an extra piece of metal? Doable in 30 minutes with screws and some flat stock. Trusses are used only to keep everything as light as possible and for the marketing gleem. // One last tip: Bahco sells hacksaw blades of as low as 14 TPI. Just saying.
Pst... check out my tool rack behind bench. You might see something. I've made about 60 of those Gramercy kits. My real go to waste removal tool. But that's something you need tools to make. These cheap coping saws are a good start.
Coping saw : Macro blade are the best for jewelry .
Have you tried spiral blades?
Thanks mate helped me out
Great tips, especially re pull stroke.
Stole that one from the Japaneses
Great video! Did you turn the blade holder on the lathe?
Thanks. Yes, one of my first boxes.
Haha, nice one! Thnx for the SO to Matt's channel. He's kinda brilliant in his own humorous way and I like his vids very much as I do yours and of course Wood by Wright where the woodworking-but first hit me! Keep up making these great little vids. They're a real big help in understanding the real 'art' of woodworking!
Thanks
I just got a coping saw so I really appreciated this video, nice timing =)
but every time I use it my thumb joint swells up A considerable amount, so the first thing I thought was that I was holding it wrong. do you have any tips on holding it?
Only thing I warn people about is don't put the end of the handle in your palm as that's where the nerves are.
wortheffort ik I try not to but even when it's not in my palm my thumb hurts
Btw nice tip about stretching it I need to do that =)
Quality video, thanks!
Thanks
I really like your videos great info!! God Bless.
Thanks
Holy Cow Shawn....you're a bloody mind reader! Just ordered a new coping saw yesterday; arrives tomorrow. How'd you do that? cheers...richard in normandy
Obviously I'm stalking you.
it helps me with my enginieering class
Where it will be buy ?
I've been using coping saws for 30years and never had to stretch them out. Buy bahco, tighten well and it won't turn on you.
Very helpful.
How mach
I can't cope anymore
arthritis huh?
LOVELY SAW DOUBLE TENSION :)
I have a question unrelated to the video.
I need a idea for a easy turning gift for a friend.
I am a rookie turner and need something easy. Thanks a lot
magic wand. rolling pin, any of the mandrel based pen, razor, kalidescope kits out there.
you said you are going to do stickers???? what kind are you looking for????
Have to do one more art piece then investigating. Likely 3x5 (like a postcard) B&W. StickerMule has been recommended. Also have to save up for the investment, it's a lot of money.
Nice
Thanks
very good
Thanks
Great recommendations. I have to look for some star washers. I have one more suggestion. Turn the blade around (not push vs pull) so that the blade is following the line of motion, rather than leading it. www.timberframe-tools.com/tools/coping-saw-blade-direction-you-lead-blade-follows/ It makes quite an improvement both in ease of use, and in precision of cuts.
good referral
Literally nobody uses a coping saw on the push stroke.
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Аж вздрогнул, когда на шестой минуте лобзик отпустили и он повис на вывернутой пилке -_-
haven't a clue....
$8 on Amazon. Just got one
Works well with the star washer added to end.
like the new? intro music
Same ol same ol.
Haaaaaate coping saws. Haaaaaaate.
Just buy a decent coping saw
The only decent onces are over $100 and are from blue spruce or knew concepts
Coping saws as with fret saws are designed to be used on the pull stroke. Incompetents carpenters have used them on the push stroke and perpetuated that mistake even the This old house stars. I have used coping saws for over 40 years and almost never break a blade. Just learn how to use the tool and save all the heartache.
Watch my video on Dovetails or this next project one and you'll see why I break em on occasion (one every few years?). The bending and force gets them real hot fast. It's the pivoting in one spot that does it.
I think your biggest problem is using it for the wrong job. Lol
Guess Ya"ll just gonna have to "Cope" with it.
ya
Now(spoke too soon,) if I brake my new coping saw, I might think less of your mind reading skills.....rr
With risk comes reward (sometimes).