One modern Sheffield factory - building two brand new steam engines. A short film by Tom Ingall
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2023
- It's 2023 and perhaps one of the last things you'd expect to find in a modern factory which produces bespoke components for the renewable energy industry is TWO brand new steam engines.
That's exactly what's happening at CTL Seal in Sheffield. A British Railways Standard Class 6 and London and North Eastern Railway B17 are both being built from scratch. As the groups say, the facilities are fantastic and the chance to work together means learning from each other. Could more new build steam be on the way to Sheffield? Hear from the MD of the factory and the groups themselves in this five minute film, produced at a recent open day event, held in April 2023.
More information about the BR Standard 6, "Clan Class" project
www.72010-hengist.co.uk/
More information about the B17 project
www.b17steamloco.co.uk/
That man who said young engineers today are learning from the old engineers was spot on. Many lost or dying crafts. To learn these and carry them forward is a great opportunity. I remember many years ago driving up to Tyseley in Birmingham with a car full of frost damaged cast iron parts and this man repaired them. Stitched them back to gather. They are still working thirty years later. Nobody in my area would look at them .told me they are scrap.
@Will Rose - One of the major efficiency problems with steam was the tolerances that could be achieved. With modern metallurgy, it would be able to build steam locomotives that are once again competitive with diesels. The down side is watering the train every so often, but the up side is that the trains are not that fussy on fuel.
@Will Rose It also depends on the grade of the diesel oil being used as not all diesel oil is the same just like coal. Varying sulphur amounts in the crude oil affects the quality of the diesel produced.
Frost damage?
@@wideyxyz2271 There is a particular type of Scotish coal that is world renown for its super low sulfur content and efecent, clean burning.
😅🎉😅😅😅😅
Great to see locomotives being manufactured in the UK again.
An honourable start. There's a long way to go... but a good start in the right direction!
As an American, I'm glad to see them build steam engines in the UK again.
Why? It is old inefficient outdated technology. Would you swap your modern home for some draughty medieval hovel? The only thing this is any good for is hobbyists and nostalgia.
@@rogerphelps9939 Your right, BURN THE BOOKS! They're an old medium, why use em when we got tv. Nostalgia and memories stop us from reaching our true potential! Worm food for the worm god! How could I be so blind!
@@_wheeler8601 As I said, steam locomotives belong in the same category as medieval battle re-enactments. A bit of fun, nostalgia but little else. Books are extremely useful and versatile, steam locomotives, not so much. That is why we have much better means of traction.
I can't believe I'm seeing this, what a brilliant project.... Britain hasn't lost its skills!
I used to live next door to a guy who had an engineering business in Ireland he had built a huge works on his land , however after the crash in 2008 the work slumped but he didn’t want to lose his younger guys so a lot of the older men retired but would be called in as trainers and advisors when the slump was over…In the meantime Gerry was into old traction engines so he bought a few that were barely recognisable and he rebuilt these using modern equipment and tooling, plus he rebuilt many of the old caravan /wagon type trailers these guys used to tow around…This kept the business turning over nicely until the slump eased, the finished products were fabulous and as Gerry was a traction engine fanatic it was a very rewarding hobby…
What part of Ireland, please?
@@herbiemitchell9156 It was Balinalee county Longford , I’m not sure he’s still at it because that was about 12 years ago, so possibly retired like myself, I moved away then as I had a holiday home in the Canary Islands and I wanted to live there more permanently..
@@dermotmcglinchey282 Thank you for the reply. I am a steam enthusiast too and built a 4" scale Foster some years ago.
What a fantastic project and as the Chairman said younger employees are learning on how things are put together and built, just like back in the day when the greats like Crewe, Derby, Swindon, Eastleigh and Doncaster were building and making wonderful engines. These will be fantastic engines keeping steam alive 😊
What I would like to know, will they convert all the old drawings to metric or will they use imperial measurements?
@@tonysheerness2427 Stick to English not that euro trash!
I which I was a bit nearer but if any body needs help in way by taking about it by all means get in touch Bill
@@tonysheerness2427 HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!!!!!!!
WHITWORTH ALL THE WAY!!!!!
It's very important, because in one generation, many skills and much knowledge can be lost forever.
My late dad would have cried at the sight of these, he was a steam lover and the thought of new loco's would have turned him back into a boy. I can't imagine the quality that's going into these builds, a 21st century trip into the past.
A marriage of two worlds. best of the old, best of the new.
THIS IS SUPERB!! PLEASE build a Q1 locomotive - only ONE survives in a museum but we need one IN STEAM on the mainline.. They were austerity engines built during the war - but they helped this country immensely during and after the war! The highly unusual and controversial design represents the ultimate development of the British 0-6-0 freight engine, capable of hauling large heavy trains. Nicknames for the class included "Ugly Ducklings", "Coffee Pots", "Charlies", "Biscuit Tins", "Biscuit Barrels", "Clockworks" and "Frankensteins". The Q1 DESERVES TO BE SEEN it is an unsung HERO of the railways that has been forgotten.
for the same reason would be far less popular than similar engines
I totally agree with you ! Because I am an old 1950/60's trainspotter, and remember these great robust and powerful engines in service. And they were usually seen at Feltham and Guildford MPD's, the last one I saw was 33018 at Feltham in 1966. And would be an easy locomotive to construct due to it's austerity simplicity design. Another great locomotive to re-construct would be the T9 class because only one survived.
The heritage rail industry is huge in the UK. Many railways such as the Severn Valley offer engineer apprenticeship for young people who can look forward to long and rewarding careers in the business. The boss man has his business head on as well as the rose tinted spex for the locos 😊
And what a nice bloke he is too
Magnificent learning opportunity only the hardcore steam enthusiasts of the UK would pull off. (I'm a Yank but your lads are a very special breed when it comes to taking joy in industrial history and that merits respect!)
It IS a "cathedral to engineering" (and cathedrals themselves are engineering feats).
Fred Dibnah would approve 👍
"Be careful steaming up the trains boiler for the first time, or it'll be half a day out with the undertaker ."
He most certainly would have.
Anything that gets young engineers and apprentices learning this aspect of engineering can only be a good thing. Older craftsman passing down their skills and knowledge is how it has been done for years.
I work in Devonport Dockyard and whether they are instructors or not, most of the 'old boys' continually pass down skills. They can't help themselves, the urge to train and share skills seems ingrained in the psyche of their generation. Great to see it carrying on in Sheffield.
Devonport Dockyard in New-Zealand? This is the RNZN Base in NZ.
@brendonnz1964 Plymouth UK. Awesome to know you have one too. 😀
I hope both projects can survive financially in the current climate with costs spiralling 🤞. A great story, good luck to all involved 😊.
Steam ..that means burning coal. I can just see the enviro people jumping up & down
@@vincentl.9469 Coal that a fair few railways got from Russian mines. Costs are far from the only concern, unfortunately.
@@vincentl.9469 : Not necessarily, it could be using hydrogen.... or a blend of.... cos then it will generate steam as well... There are knowledge out there.. and if they also outsource some missing bits to local universities as well.. on a research base this way. There can be a lot of funding.... I mean.. how did the previous generation of things kick started to begin with? It was money donated to form a university... and then the findings became commercialised etc. All under the British soveign's money pot. Same can happen again, in all honesty.... without patents.. or commercial (global or local) money. So....
@@vincentl.9469 They can jump up and down on their pogo sticks, which equates to ZERO Co2 emissions.
@@christophergarland7936 nowt wrong with getting it from Russia what pees me off is we could get of from here still billions of tons of it in the ground! Oh and man made climate change is a LIE!
This needs to be a TV series IMHO.
There was a great programme about a1 tornado, called absolutely chuffed. Great programme, mostly built in uk but boilers in Germany.
What a great project, and hats off to the M.D.
Absolutely brilliant. The people working on this company are an inspiration to the rest of British industry!
Pure class the older generation teaching the younger generation learning new skills especially on gorgeous steam locomotives thank you Sheffield steel your a huge credit to this countrys engineering skills this was what made this country great bring it on ❤
Fantastic. Henry Royce and R J Mitchell served their engineering apprenticships in locomotive works and look what they produced as individuals and came together to produce.
As did a certain Walter Owen Bentley.
@@keystonedriving8180 Thanks for the information. I will remember that. Proper engineers.
@@keystonedriving8180Yes; it has been said that the chassis of a Bentley resembled that of a railway wagon in its robustness of construction, and that it owed a lot to Bentley's early training!
This is amazing!! The fact that Steam is surviving and making a comeback in this day and age is astounding! I can't wait to see the finished results for the Clan Class and the B17! Best of luck to you and everyone working on these projects from America!
Japan has been doing the same recently.
Steam is not making a comeback. It is just a niche hobby.
is not making a comeback in any meaningful way. It id just a hobby and nostalgia rather akin to battle reenactment.
It would be interesting to see what steam engine could be made using the technology of today, but still keeping the traditional arrangement (coal as fuel, direct drive and not steam-electric etc). Probably a stronger boiler could be made to use with higher pressure, modern types of bearings that do not need oiling every 100km, maybe some better valve gear. It would be interesting what speed and power could be achieved and how much the maintenance costs could be reduced.
We have some serious engineering talent in Sheffield now and in the past it really makes me proud of our city
Good video and positive news. Thank you. A nice bonus is that a lighter weight 4-6-0 should be able to visit a number of heritage railways without putting excessive stress upon the permanent way and bridges.
The Clan will also be able to visit heritage railways as it is lighter than the Class 7 Brit's. It will also be more efficient on coal and water, and steam better than the original Clan's. With the latest design drag box it will also be more pleasant to ride behind!
@@johndrew3202 Sounds good. Thank you for that additional info.
As an old Navy Boiler Tech and former boiler inspector, thanks for bringing these back to life. Steam Power!
Bet you never had to inspect a coal fired boiler... talk about DIRTY 😷
@@phiksit As a matter of fact, I worked in a coal fired utility plant for a couple of years and as an inspector I inspected several coal fired boilers in my time. Even before that, my first home was an apartment behind a boiler room. My Dad was the building superintendent. Some of my earliest memories are playing in the boiler room. The boiler there was coal fired. I’ve seen it all, oil, gas, coal, wood, black liquor, off gas from coal coking, blast furnace gas, exhaust gas from gas turbines.
When the pathetic amount of energy produced by those 'renewables' in future - I think your skills will be desperately needed, Sir?@@pitsnipe5559
Brilliant we built the best years ago, we can do it again 👍
Wow that was brilliant ,British engineering ,using British made steel it doesn’t get any better , 😊
Well done CTLSeal, what a great company
Fantastic CTL a true engineering company bring old and new while teaching the young one's
Fantastic stuff. Proper engineering, made in Yorkshire. 😊
It is lovely to see this project.
Thank you.
Please, some people must film this all the way.
For all to see, from beginning to end.
👌🏻🌿👋🏻
Awesome to see this being done in todays fast pace world!
This is just brilliant!....Keep it alive! :)
Fantastic. I grew up in the diesel era but the more I learn about steam locomotives, the more I am absolutely overwhelmed by the brilliance of the people who designed, built, serviced, and drove them. I would have loved the chance to be involved in something like this.
I think this is really great to see. That boss looked dead enthusiastic about helping the project even though he said he wasn’t really that interested at the start. Top bloke, and his business improves from helping others, a powerful message
What a wonderful project I hope to see you progress these loco’s. I hope you are able to post videos of your progress I would love to see more.
How wonderful! More power to your elbows, guys!
Fantastic project, just what we need to cheer us up. Well done chaps.
God Bless everyone involved in this project. Keeping the old tech alive and teaching new generations is what really makes great.
These are top class engineers....they don't need some mythical deity to look after them.
Fantastic to see a Sheffield company building new steam locos
That is fantastic! Here's to more locomotives being built.
Not strictly true that Doncaster stopped building steam locos, dozens are built in Doncaster every year, but they are 16mm to the foot scale at the Roundhouse factory!
great video and great to see British Engineering at it's finest
Well done to all involved!
This popped up on my recommended list and as a railway enthusiast, I had to watch it. Firstly let me commend you on your presentation skills and editing, You have the perfect voice for a presentation like this and it was skillfully put together. I have subbed and now looking through your back catalogue. You should have millions of subscribers with this quality of video these are tv worthy. Well done.
I've a photograph of this from early Oct 21. I deliver supplies to CTL Seal regularly. A lot has changed since I took the picture.
Really impressive to see! I also love the guy who says "it's a good market to be in" - the steam engine building market haha.
What a great set of projects to undertake and to be hearing are viable propositions too - not the struggles that befell the Flying Scotsman. A long wait since the last steam loco, the 2,223rd to be produced there, at Doncaster in Oct 1957 (works completed in 1853). What a history in that area for both steam and steel. I have spent quite a bit of my career in the steel mills and steel processing in the area, so pleased to see associated businesses thriving and able to give the steam preservation groups this massive support and opportunities. Also to pass down the knowledge, skills and interest to the younger generation. Well done.
yes you never know we might need them in a pinch, there are times when things fill a niche, after all there is sam mackwell in new zeland that is building steam traction engines that use fast growing wood or waste material to be powered and using a watertub boiler a lemate style but without the water wall around the firebox so it dont have all the leaking and weakness and scailing problems that plegued the first gen ones when they tried it in the 20th century, he also has a garrett style loco listed as to how far along to build it they are I dont know but its on the website, the beauty of steam is if it can boil and superheat water it can be used even solar made steam using the sun to boil it for a stationary compound engine this earth day when this message is written.
Well, it hasn't been quite such a long wait as that, A1 60163 Tornado was built from scratch and completed in 2008. I think there have been others.
Brilliant, what a golden opportunity for any apprentices to see application of modern technology for historical engineering practices. Just think how they could have been if they had carried on? Amazing.
I like how well this video was edited. Short, entertaining and to the point. Great topic as well. Thanks.
As a North Yorkshire
(from Kirkbymoorside) born lad, now 80, I find this is a very exciting project !!
Wow that is the best thing Ive seen all day, well done CTL that is impressive support I have no doubt you wont regret it.
Excellent news, I'm proud to know we can still build these amazing machines.
Absolutely Fantastic and great to see good engineering and manufacturing happening in Sheffield a proud city of engineering and manufacturing. This country should get back to making stuff for ourselves as this was once standard. Top Marks.
Great to see this work making a comeback in the north. I worked at the hunslet engine works and it was a sad day when it closed.
This is heartwarming to see steam locomotives being built in 2023, Bravo Zulu to you all 👍👏
That’s a fantastic project I worked at Brush worked on shuttle class 92 back in my day also the first generation of electric locomotives for New Zealand with regenerative braking
What a wonderful HUGE shop to work in !
Fantastic to see Locomotive production in England again.
"Proper" engineering - exactly right
Those Beautiful Steam Engines did a great deal of work. Not just locomotives.
This is just excellent guys, well done 👍
I always wondered what we could do if we tried manufacturing yesterday's innovation with today's techniques! Awfully interesting!
Of course technology takes a lot of the brain fag out of engineering ,and can even complete the job with computerised machines. Where's the satisfaction in that? My Dad was a precision engineer before that happened, working on blueprints to one thousands of an inch.Setting up the machines for the prototype, and inspecting the result. Some of this stuff was parachutes where life depended on its accuracy. To my mind when you take away the necessity for skill, you reduce the interest in the work, and only mindless people need apply. Technology is producing mindless people. Which is dangerous for humanity.
a 'Cathedral to Engineering'.... that is a very good way of putting it. What a beautiful place.
what a fantastic idea and a great way so many engineers can learn from
Absolutely beautiful, I hope this sort of occurrence will become commonplace everywhere.
There’s a brand new steam locomotive currently being built in the US as well, a Pennsylvania Railroad class T-1 4-4-4-4 number 5550. The original PRR T-1s were all scrapped at the end of their service from 1953 to 1956. The 5550 is being built by The T-1 Trust Fund and is scheduled for completion by 2030.
That's amazing. I believe it wasn't very successful (or was that the 4-4-6-4?) but an innovative locomotive with potential for high speed.
@routeman680 The T1 had problems with the poppet steam valve arrangement that modern materials would easily sort out, they also had traction issues with wheel slip at start up and high speed due the Engineers/Drivers not realising how responsive the locos were to the regulator at high speed...basically akin to over throttling the engines and doing a burnout lol It is a shame that they were all scrapped before full development could take place....they had huge potential.
What is The Brand?
@@davewilliams6172 99% of all T-1 issues were as they say "drivers error". As you state, due to the responsiveness and power curve the locomotives did wheel slip, but engineers who ran them daily attested to the fact that there was a learning curve and you couldn't just jump in the cab and run a T-1 like a Northern, Pacific, or Mikado. You had to learn how to manage all that power and responsiveness. They were a very good locomotive despite many ill-informed claims to the contrary.
Absolutely wonderful. Why not ? Locos that can run on the mainline. Great. Good luck to all involved.
Unlikely to be allowed to run on mainline.
@@rogerphelps9939 Why's that? Tornado does and P2 will as well when its finished.
Finally an engineering field where British companies are leading in the world 😆
not the first time that;s happened ..... cheers !
But nobody else is much interested in obsolete stuff. They have their eyes on the future and it is not steam.
Actually.. may I suggest the UK leads in many engineering fields - though this is little known due to a lack of media coverage. We dominate the subsea sector with around 50% of it based in Scotland. We make most F1 and US race cars - and many of the difficult bits of Mercedes and VWs are designed/and or made here. Most of the difficult bits of Airbus aircraft - wings, landing gear, avionics (loos) - are made right here. BAE Systems in the US makes many of the most complex bits that go into US defence systems. When the EU said they were going to block experts of Covid vaccines from AZ's plant in Belgium it forgot that the fact a key essential came from a small firm in Yorkshire. We should halt all cheap electronics imports below £100 from China as these are deliberately made far below cost in order to bankrupt UK manufacturers.
@@rogerphelps9939 Yes it is. Steam turbines to create electricity from nuclear power.
Just great to see that England still has the engineering skills, Made in UK just unreal you guys are awesome.
Outstanding project. Any young engineer with half his/her marbles, would jump at such an oportunity.
Working under a master craftsman with decades of practical exeprience is knowledge no university can offer.
Tollerances, fitting, lapping, casting . . . get hands on experience.
Yes, imagine those 'screen-only' students at university 'engineering departments' getting their hands dirty!
Loved the Video. Well done, do not let the skills of the past ever fade away, let the young pick up the knowledge and pass that on to their apprentices.
Excellent!
I can only imagine how modern casting, and machining technology is working here. I'm pretty sure small cast parts are having their patterns made using 3D Printing, some of the larger frames plasma or water cut, some large items not even cast but flat plate cut, bent, and then 100% full depth weld being used and then line drilling and boring to make bearing hangers.... its exciting!
These videos are so high quality I was shocked when I saw how few subscribers you have
This is really remarkable. What an amazing project, what amazing people.
This is wonderful for so many good reasons. What gentlemen!
Very good video! Not only the content but also the making of the video.
Love it. Great British stuff XXXX
Absolutely outstanding video. An amazing tribute please please keep us posted on the progress.
Brilliant ! All the best to everyone involved.
It is interesting to see that a few new steam locomotives are being built. Even though diesel electric locomotives are a lot less costly to run and maintain, the steam locomotive is still very appealing to many people for tourism and special excursions.
Nice to see them built here.
Lovely video Mr Ingall thank you.
Sheffield. The word that spells excellence in high quality steel production.
This is terrific, but the effort involved just points to how great our engineering capabilities were in the heyday of steam, when such engines were routinely turned out in various workshops in great numbers, and built to such a standard that we still have examples of them running today.
Wow, new locos will capture the hearts of millions !!!!
Wonderful. Thanks for uploading.
Very cool. I wonder what kind of technical challenges they ran into by building some of the components with modern tools. I remember hearing about NASA with the earlier rocket engines on Saturn 5 how the practically cannot be made today because of how some of the procedures were more of an art and not all fully defined in technical drawings.
We need more of this kind of thing, much, much more of it
This is amazing, is it possible to book a visit? I’m not far from Sheffield and would love to see this! I’m not overly into trains but totally love the engendering / old technology side of this! Amazing to have something like this happening so close, and a once in a lifetime opportunity for the young engineers learning from the old boys! So lucky!!
Wow, I didn't know they still make new steam locomotives. That's really great!
Fantastic to see
wow this is very cool. glad to see it being done.
A very smart idea to build steam engines. Everyone should be doing that.
Many thanks. I did not know there are more new locomotives being built.
How absolutely marvellous . Well done to all concerned !
THE OLD DRAWINGS - in engineering these are everything. Without the drawings - just dont bother with the project. Great project!!
This is great news we need to keep our Heritage a live so future generations can not only see but also experience riding on and even seeing them getting built.
Outstanding video and project!! 👍🏻🎅👍🏻
Fantastic. Used to stand on the footbridge at St Deny’s station, Southampton as a child, getting steamed by the trains passing under. Sad when the diesels came in.
I'd certainly would like to see Hengist get a copy of the Duke's Kylchap/Caprotti setup.
I believe that the Clan will be getting a Lempor exhaust. Not sure about the valves though, but I do know that they have spent a lot of time looking at the motion and in particular the pistons, rings and how they are lubricated as the Clans were known to need improvement in that area.
It is so rewarding to see more new Locomotives being built 15 years after Tornado was built.
Fantastic to see engineering on these projects wich draws in young people who are interested in our industrial heritage this warms my heart keep up this Fantastic work there is still hope for this country