What if the USSR joined the Axis in WW2
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What if the Soviet Union aligned with the Axis Powers and Germany during World War II?
Could the Soviets and the Germans defeat the Allies if only they had collaborated more or will Germany still succumb to the Allied Powers
This scenario explores one possibility of such scenario
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Timestamps
0:00 Balkans
0:45 Middle East
2:29 Japan
4:55 China
6:57 Africa
8:16 Britain
9:25 Axis
Music
Hearts of Iron II - Suite No.1
Hearts of Iron II - Rise and Fall of Evil
Hearts of Iron II - Japanese Spirit
Battlestations Pacific - Yamato Action Theme
Hearts of Iron III - They Are Bombing Us
Hearts of Iron II - Achtung, Panzer!
Speech
Winston S Churchill We Shall Fight on the Beaches
BLOOD, TOIL, TEARS AND SWEAT speech Winston Churchill
Storico discorso del Duce Bari, 6 settembre 1934
President Franklin D. Roosevelt Declares War on Japan
Winston Churchill announces victory (1945) 
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Fun fact: ussr actually applied to join in the axis, but hitler didnt respond
Edit: thx guys for the likes i never reached those much likes!
This isn't the full story.
Was about to comment this
@@oicmapperstop following me in youtube oic mapper
His biggest mistake
Stalin should of knew something was not right
The cut at the end was hitler surprise invading the soviets
or the opposite, with war in india finished, soviet army could have been more prepared
Or the opposite since Stalin planned to attack Germany
So they’re not going to work together? USA still exists
Or the opposite, Stalin had plans to attack Germany
@@alyssanastazio5323 Well, where are the real historical documents corresponding to this statement? I didn't find anything on the Internet, it sounds like stupid nonsense. The Soviet army was absolutely not ready even to defend itself, and you claim that after a few months (opinions differ, for some reason someone thinks that he was going to attack in 1942, and someone thinks that already in July 1941) he was going to attack this huge death machine?
Good vid
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Also Italian mapper is a dude (i think)
I am joking @@Respecteddude666
If Hitler never attack USSR, then Stalin would attack Germany
Hitler had three possibilities:
a) Allying the USA and UK and going against the soviets. This implied accepting anglo dominance in the world, and reducing Germany to a mere anglo puppet (something like modern Germany) which he would never accept
b) Allying the USSR and going against the western allies. He explicitly said why he didn't want this in Mein Kampf: he considered the soviet soldiers as inferior to every other european army, and he thought they would be a burden for Germany, rather than a competent ally (kinda like what ended up happening with Italy)
c) Fighting everyone at the same time and losing like an idiot
He chose option c)
@@user-js2xn9jv9l but he was willing to allign Germany with the British Empire, even renouncing to Alsace-Lorraine in exchange for a free hand conquering "Lebensraum" against the USSR
@@juanmasingh He never intended to resign autonomy to the point to which England would have accepted him as an ally. He was probably lowkey hoping for the "aryan brothers" to rule the world together
But english leaders didn't care about race as much as he did, and they certainly didn't want to share Europe with another strong nation like Germany. Historically, England has mostly allied weakish countries with stronger neighbors that completely depend on them (like Poland or Portugal)
Thats true
Stalin was planning to invade Germany in July or early August 1941 with a force much larger than Hitler deployed in Barbarossa
@@JosephStalin-sv5lmNo, after the purge they have to wait at least until 1942, also they can maybe deploy 5 million at most
Once again, an exemplary video. Keep it up!!
In the video
Stalin: "applied the axis"
Hitler: "accepts stalin"
Hitler: welcome to the axis
Stalin: thank you for this wonderfull interview now when can I start?
In reality
Stalin: "applied the axis"
Hitler: "did not respond"
Stalin: what do you mean he did not respond!!??
(Yooo 48 likes and 2 replies lets gooo btw love your vids)
(Yooo 110 likes and 2 replies also steiners counter attack will defintely succedd in 70 years😅😅)
(120 likes/10 replies thats good I also have a comment in another channel tho its a joke that has so many likes (not a like beggar) the joke is really famous in that channel its called albert can cook tyle pinnaple volcano)
Hitler: Invades
Hitler: Im about to invade you stupid
Stalin: *so* *you* *have* *chosen* *death*
Lol😂😂😂
@@safitahshahrir802Hitler: *Operation Barbarossa is almost ready*
Vos vidéo sont génial j’attend avec impatience chaque nouvelle vidéo
I have idea for next video: What if Poland attacked Germany first in WW2
Genius
It would be same i guess
the allies would not get in the fight and Germany would win with no problems
@@yexg8839 probably they would see poland's weakness and dumbness against germany so to stop germanys aggression allies would join to war with poland
still lose but allies will not get in, what a smart question
Cool video 🙂👍
I love your videos man
Great Work!
Nice vid
Best videos yet, scenario videos are awesome
Some of the best mapping I have seen in a long time
These videos are amazing, you deserve more subscribers.
Good work!!
this video style is perfect
Nice video.
Can you do what if the USA join the axis or what Japan invaded the Soviet Union
Если бы Япония вторглась история не поменялась бы потому что СССР имел 1 лям солдат на востоке СССР раздовилбы Японию
The soviets were supplied with infinite steel from usa and a massive army there already do it wouldn't make a difference
@@agentemiojo4796 The Soviets produced around 56 million tons of steel in WW2, the US only supplied 2.8 million tons of steel. That's not infinite.
The japanese invasion would have been a disaster, Khalkin Gol taught them a lesson earlier
Japan was in a war with The Sowjets in ww2
Nice👍
It was a great video, I liked it, please do more!)
TUTORIAL PLS Also, new best vid on the channel yet XDDDD
this is mostly unrealistic. Germany wouldn't be able to invade the UK because the British have naval and mostly air superiority.
I’d say that the combined German-Soviet navel and air afford would eventually make such an invasion possible. (1945-1946) But it definitely wouldn’t go that smoothly.
you should make a continuation of the war between germany and the soviets
I really like it!!!
hitler: doesn’t hate communism (in this universe)
USSR: “look at this communist Germany Americka”
Good vid bro!!
Nice
Fire 🔥
How do you make this great Videos?
Good mapping
The US wouldn't declare war on a ussr-axis alliance without first being attacked.
The axis would've had no issue with invading India through Afghanistan.
Bro no one could invade Afghanistan
But Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires
@@50Steaks68what if afghanistan joined axis
@@TotallyAChannel Soviet invasion happens 40 years early
I mean they didn't in our timeline as well, the United States got declared on by Germany, not the other way around.
you made this much more interesting by doing pacific and african fronts as well
Omg, is so nice
1 word: underrated
Very good video !1!1!1!1!
Idea: What if Italy was competent and Germany wasn't
Suggestion: The USA enters the war with Britian and France at the start of Germany's invasion of Poland.
The axis will have a hard time but usa might have anti-war protests and even a civil war that is very unlikely so the axis is doomed
@@andreycz535 the outcome could result in the war ending by 1 year, given that the Pacific theatre looked more difficult with the island hopping campaign. the nuclear bombs likely wouldn't be used on Japan, rather than an actual land invasion could've happened.
The western front would have ended faster but i dont see much else
Hey could you do a video on Harry Turtledoves southern victory series
THIS SHOULD BE CALLED MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE 2.0
I love your videos❤🔥👍
Good video btw, what will happen to china in the asia after the video/war ends
Not to quibble but I don't see a large invasion of the Britain like the one portrayed. The German Navy was very weak compared to the Royal Navy, and the addition of Italian and Soviet units would not make much difference. Also, the Axis did not have a means to land troops and tanks quickly on the British coast. I also don't see the Japanese being able to stall the American offensive in the Pacific for very long. It is somewhat likely that the Axis would dominate Eurasia and North Africa while "Oceania" (The western Hemisphere, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Southern Africa would be protected by geography (African jungles and deserts) and the combined US and Royal Navies.
To destroy England's defense and survival capacity it was enough to isolate it from the rest of the world, and that could be done by achieving air supremacy, without fuel or food they would not have resisted much, if the axis only destroyed their ports I think England would surrender otherwise millions would die of hunger. Even on their own the German submarine attacks were already a headache for the English.
You underestimate the importance of airforce. The most important and powerful ship is the aircraft carrier, literally because it utilizes airforce.
@@Mrmhmd1993 Very true, and Britain in World War 2 was a massive, unsinkable aircraft carrier. However, you still need surface naval units to conduct a landing in that time period, and the Kriegsmarine did not have what it took for that, not to mention the lack of landing craft, and the fact that the Calais to Dover passage had the cliffs of Dover to deal with. Once the Germans would have solved those technical challenges they would have been dealing with an atom bomb armed allies. Maybe they could get the bomb too, at which point it would be a stalemate, unless once side decided an atomic war was winnable.
@@richardthomas5362 naturally you would be correct, but considering the scenario in this video (assuming mustache man isn’t plotting against the soviets), the combined axis airforce would decimate British cities, ports, airports and industrial capabilities. In this scenario, Germany would not be bombed and would retain its massive industrial capacity, and when combined with the soviet side, it’s game over for the UK. Sure, American industry would ramp up and maybe even come close to the axis production, but by that point Britain’s infrastructure and airports would be rubble, and they’d probably surrender. If this scenario happened I think the US would sign a white peace.
The Italians did have a pretty good navy.
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I have a Video Idea: What If The USA joined The Axis
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Italian Mapper Have you finally changed your mind and decided to make this project
Even though the Axis at this point in the war is insanely powerful, there's just no way for them to cross the Atlantic and attack the United States. Germany in our timeline barely had supply lines stretching across the Soviet Union during Barbarossa. Does anyone seriously think they can manage logistics across the gigantic Atlantic, let alone against a hostile NAVAL power that can rival the British and Japanese SIMULTANEOUSLY?
Dunno, but The aame can be said for america😂
The Berlin-Moscow Axis was too big to conquer
@@danlomanalo4161 Oh, most certainly. America has the seas, but the Axis has the ground.
@@TheImperialSoviet EXACTLY
@@danlomanalo4161Cope. They would be pushed out of Asia and Africa easily.
@@notsodeep1140 lol bet the americans will shit their pants when zhukov and manstein appear together
What is the map name? Or did u do it yourself? I might wanna do some mapping videos soon
I used google maps as a base and i made the borders
ohhh cool, good job
Did u do the exact same for the WW1 video
how do you make these videos?
Video idea: if turkey and saudi arabia joined the allies earlier in ww2
Can you please make a video about, What if USA never dropped The Atomic Bomb?
You mean if Japan kept fighting?
@@counterfeit1148ig so 😅
@@counterfeit1148 Япония перестала сражаться из-за потери Манчжурии. Хиросима и Нагасаки - это ядерный терроризм. США хотели запугать СССР новым оружием.
@@user-xl7ul7iy1x Do you expect me to understand that?
@@counterfeit1148 use a translator
Fire video n*******
i want more plz
Do the United States joins Axis video please 😊
I feel like this is gonna end into some kind of TNO shit except its the usa thats fractured instead of russia
i dont think so, if we think about finnish soviet war, the battle of iran should be similar disaster and that means middle east will be same as real life, also i think hitler will be still betray soviet union even if it joins to axis
good video btw
Finland had one of the most prepared armies of the world while Iran didnt even have a proper one which was the reason they got occupied so easily here and in real life
Iran didn't even have a army, the shah had large opposition even in real life Iran crumbled in a already at war soviet union,
@@Italian_Mapperdo next USSR Had Won The Cold War?
How the hell did the Germans achieve naval/air supremacy?
With the german soviet submarine warfare and all the resources of the ussr, also britain had lost their most important colonies such as egypt and india so they lacked resources
@Italian_Mapper The German Navy/Soviet Navy still wouldn't be enough to stop the British Navy, which at the time of Operation Sealion in this vid was the second largest Navy. Combined with the American navy, the Germans couldn't have gotten their superiority
i highly doubt the combined British-American fleets and air forces would lose so miserably to the comparably insignificant Axis navies... also, anti-sub warfare was improving around this time. i just don't see how submarines alone are going to cut it...
plus, as far as i know, the Germans just did not have the capacity to transport millions of troops to Great Britain...
the USSR is incredibly powerful but its navy is far from its greatest asset, and any "alliance" between the two would almost definitely end in war between Germany and the USSR sooner or later
Suggestion: Red Flood lore
Damn thats good
can you do what if soviet Union attack europe in 1942?
but to make it fair
-europe is united under one military aliance
-invasion of Poland and the great purge never happened
0:01 awesome new year for the axis
Bro can you plssss give me the file map name with this map with the mountains?
Idk how its called you should search world map relief
WW3 in this timeline: Germany
Britain
Japan
Vs
Soviet Union
China
USA
Please do what if the confederacy was in ww1
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Nice video, but i really doubt that Britain would fall that quickly.
yeah maybe like in three months, the massive recruitment was realistic, reminded me of operation barbarossa
@@justacat2 Maybe yeah. But, I think that German landing at Liverpool would be still impossible, since it's so deep in British waters. And the overall frontline could stop somewhere before Birmingham, with American support.
Make battle of berlin for anniversary on April 20th
Plzz do a video about 'What if the Soviets were prepeared for operation Barbarrosa?'
Or 'What if the Soviets conqured all of Europe during WW2?'
I will consider that
i want to see part 2 the era of cold war between 4 blocks japan , american , Germany,Italian and soviet led blocks what will happen
Idea:
What if the League of Three Emperors happens
world war 1 may have been avoided but its hard to say
This is Christopher’s quality
not exactly but sure
Fun fact if USSR join axis Mongolia join axis😅😅
WW2 if Germany was Strasserist
Where is the map from
Main benefits of the USSR joining is that the axis would have had not to worry about oil or natural resources, and the soviets were in a prime position to threaten the middle eastern oil fields
I prefer the map from the Roman empire video, the water seems more "watery"
Why did the comments get turned off in the latest video, _WW2 Axis Victory Every Day with Army Sizes?_
I dont know i think its for safety or smth but they dont explain, i saved your comment tho
@@Italian_Mapper I made a couple of replies, though. Did you see both of those?
i turned comment back on
@@Italian_Mapper awesome
0:01 that sounds looks like hoi4
I have a video idea: 'What if Yugoslavia stayed in the AXIS?'
almost nothing would change except the axis dont need to deal with partisans
Yea,I know, but yugoslavia Will get a piece of greece or even better for Yugoslavia, they will united with bulgaria and presure turkey to join the AXIS
bro
"TNO: Das Reich und die Roten Armeen" sounds wild 💀💀
What was your hardest upload?
world war 1 every day with army sizes
Next video:wath if italy joined in the central power in ww1
They losing
Hey bro, could u bring back up the alternate world wars that was deleted for hate speech, if u do thank you
I lost the files so unless i find it or someone has downloaded it its lost
@@Italian_Mapperwhen is your next video btw cuz i love your channel/videos
And can you do, What if china joined the axis Powers and India got independence in 1935?
Or either British empire fell in a civil war due to economy/unstability
But cant you recreate the video of alternate world wars?
Imagine guys about Reznov and Petrenko fighting in the desert and in India
9:03 i dont get the wasd meaning
Question: Why did Japan attack pearl harbor? If it was in the axis with the USSR, then oil would have went to Japan and fuel its navy, army, and air craft.
to take over south east asia before the US responds
They wouldn't be immediately "best-buds". They had a long rivalry, so supplying them would be very unlikely.
Can you make this a video? This was originally from an answer to a question on Quora. I just copied and pasted it.
If the Italians had been as formidable as the Germans, they would have likely driven the British out of the Mediterranean and taken Greece without German help. Once Egypt had fallen, Italian subs and commercial raiders could sail into the Indian ocean and complicate, if not cut, supply lines from the far east and India to the UK. Italian tank divisions would then drive into the middle east and seize those oil fields. Germany would be flushed with oil for their war against the Soviet Union thanks to the newly formidable Italians.
Without having to help the Italians in Greece, the Germans invade the Soviet Union several weeks earlier. Italy forces the Turks to allow them to transit the Dardanelles into the Black Sea. The Italian navy turns the Black Sea into an Axis lake.
The Italian fleet and marines capture the Crimea in 1941, and launch operations into the Caucasus a year earlier than the Germans were able to. A million Italian troops outflanks Soviet troops in the south and an Italian army drives towards Stalingrad while the Soviets are desperately defending Moscow. Stalingrad falls before winter.
The Soviets desperate winter offensive saves Moscow but the Italians continue driving toward Baku and the all important oil fields. While the Germans and Soviets trade blows further north, the Italians capture those oil fields. Stalins armies are starved for oil as the Germans launch their spring offensives. Moscow is captured in the summer of 1942 as the Germans have ample reserves and troops to commit to the offensive. Italian troops comprise most of the troops in Army Group South and those German troops are used for the offensive. Stalin shoots himself in the ruins of Moscow and Soviet resistance begins to crumble.
Beria seizes power and signs a humiliating peace treaty with the seemingly invincible Axis. Moscow and everything west is handed over to Hitler. As a reward for Italy's help in Russia, Hilter forces France to transfer Algeria and Tunisa to Italy. Turkey is promised to the Italians after the war as the final piece of their new Roman Empire.
It's late 1942, and the US is still fighting the battle of the Atlantic. The Axis gives Franco one last to get with the program or it's time for a new head of state in Spain. Franco joins the Axis and declares war on the allies. Gibraltar is besieged and a combined US and British Army lands in Iberia. The Italian, German, and Spanish forces meet them and a bloody stalemate ensues. With the full focus of both the German and Italian armies, the allies are likely driven off the continent.
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Ugh quora is a very good website to get answers
Now do what if soviet union didn't join axis😂
Its already happened in real life
@@Viet4nh It's just a joke bro
I think you missed the million man volunteer army the Indians put up during World War II. The Indians were also would’ve been highly motivated to defend their home. Also, Europe, missing the red armies problems with logistics would’ve never allowed them to go farther than Iran without serious help, and finally where is the US industry and manpower we were able to field almost 5,000,000 people in that war on both fronts and fight a war. If we were already focused in the European theater like this video says we would’ve been pretty very well prepared to fight Japan. other than those three things the video is awesome actually
yeah but i think the soviets would flood into india with millions of well equipped soldiers and heavy tanks
@@justacat2 True but don't the Indians have more men? And most of Indian terrain isn't suitable for tanks. They would need lighter tanks. And trucks to carry the men and equipment on. Most of the trucks the Soviets used in the war were provided by the Americans. I think anyway. I mean, If the soviets can get to India, then they probably will win. But they would have to 1: get there, 2: stay there 3:have to ditch their tanks.
If they can do that then your probably right.
@@eancloud3529 maybe more men, but less weapons compared to the combined soviet and german industry
@@eancloud3529 that's true a large portion of equipment was given to the soviets to hold the german advances, but in this scenario the reich did not obliterate the red army
@@justacat2 Its my understanding that the Soviets still didn't have much of a logistics even before the invasion. Hence the Germans able to envelope them easily. (Also, most of the German motorized infantry in 1940 was actually stolen from the French, meaning they would be able to help the Soviets much)
Also they still got wooped by Finland. I think the scenario would have led to a stalemate in Egypt and Pakistan.
There is still no mention of American Industry.
You know its serious when the soviets joins axis 💀
tutorial on how to make a video like this
Idea: What if Germany made alliance with china instead of japan
Why would they
@@Italian_Mapper Well Germany since Weimar republic invest into china and even trained their soldiers and give them weapons when nazis come to power they even increased cooperation with them. Even when german goverment began leaning noticeably closer to Japan advisors and many members of german army wanted stronger Sino-German relationship. So there was really chance that germany will ally with china instead of japan.
Italian Mapper, do a what if the Ottomans Took Vienna in 1529 Video.
I will consider it
@@Italian_Mapper If you decide to make it, it would probably have cemented Ottoman control of the Balkans for the next 300 years, if not resulted in the fall of ukraine and Lombardy
Tutorial please
Italian Mapper, Do what if Italy Won North African Campaign
I already have many videos with that
Ok
What if Germany managed to build an atomic bomb faster than the United States? Or what would have happened if the USSR had decided not to attack Poland on September 17, 1939?
Its not canon for germany to build nuclear weapons as they considered that jewish science and the best scientists also left germany when the austrian painter took over.
If the USSR didnt attack Poland it means the molotov ribbentrop pact wasn't signed as well but it could have many reasons
Thank you for explaining, also in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact the USSR was to attack Poland on September 1@@Italian_Mapper
@@Italian_Mapperwhat if trotsky replaced stalin?
actually eas tones used
Me ha gustado como has hecho el vídeo.
Me gustaría una continuación de este donde Alemania y Japon se enfrenten contra la URSS, creo que fácilmente podrían expulsar a la URSS del medio oriente y los balcanes, aunque probablemente el ejército rojo seria mas fuerte que en la operación barbarroja, creo que Alemania y Japón ganarían y se repartirán rusia, ya que ellos controlan Europa, África y Asia
Video idea: what if hitler never declared war on usa?
the united states would have still declared war a bit later so almost nothing would have changed
Next Video, Argentina joins the Axis in 1943
WW1 Schiefflen Plan, instead of heading straight towards Paris, German made encirclement against Entante. The question is, would it gave German better chances in winning?
Honestly they had better chance to win by heading to paris