Am i the only one that wishes they asked about the luxon. 1. Its literally a god, and 2. Maybe they could use the luxon help. And this is my wild theory. Luxon is the opposite of Predathos.
@ZodiacBandit thank you thank you lol. But really the entire time their talking to the Archheart I was like "this is your big chance to finally ask" I was expecting travis to ask since he's usually the lore guy of the group that picks up on small things
@@VeemonKing definitely a missed opportunity technically the second missed opportunity as Orym talked to the Wildmother so there is a chance wot the raven queen that they ask BUT she wasn’t around for that
Yeah, the Arch Heart is the absolute worst. Say what you will about the other Prime Deities (I'm pro gods in C3) but at least they're trying to help and protect the mortals, Corellon just doesn't care and will probably abandon his siblings if he has to. Also, while the Divine Gate would shatter, the Betrayer Gods are locked up in the prisons the Prime's trapped them in before the built the Gate, so a second Calamity wouldn't happen. It would most likely be pro-god Exandrian's and anti-god Exandrian's would have a war, but nowhere near the scale of the Calamity. But yeah, Arch Heart proves here why most people follow the Dawn Father, Wild Mother and the Platinum Dragon, because while none of them are perfect, they're ready to put their lives on the line and fight for Exandria. Corellon just doesn't care, which is even worse since he gave the mortals magic out of boredom and that's what caused literally all of the worlds problems (evil wizards like Luda, Vespen and Vecna, and stupid arrogant ones like Laeryn).
Corellon is like top 3 coolest gods, people just fail to grasp how cool he is so they tend to depict him like this. He's also one of the strongest if not the strongest, period.
@@8Smoker8 I like Abubakars version makes these gods a bit more unique to critical role’s world He is asking for something weird though to except someone else to sacrifice when he won’t do the same but they are “the same”
@@ZodiacBandit they aren't the same at all, they are basically creators and created. Human hubris all over again. Ofc no one should be expected to gladly make any sacrifice (that's what makes it a sacrifice) but it's not absurd of him to ask. The problem is that Matt's framed Predathos as a destructive force, period, so they can't really let it run free. Otherwise it would make sense from their perspective to consider releasing him.
@@8Smoker8 I think the argument Orym used of “I kill ants every day because I don’t know they are there” is way to strong of a argument for them to go this route but it was a interesting conversation
@@ZodiacBandit Yep agreed. That's why I'm very disappointed, they never really had the option of siding with Ludinus, not even had they been open to it (which they wouldn't have been because of Orym's BG but still...)
@@ghostlyapples I thought it was weird at first but a god fixing his temple and talking to the people specifically trying to deal with the threat where his connection is strongest makes sense to me and Abubakar showing up was sick Silaha was one of my favourite characters in downfall
@@ZodiacBandit I definitely think some things were changed between episodes so they wouldn't TPK over architectural miscommunication. I absolutely LOVED the Archeart interlude and how he fixed the temple, but the combat part was really weak. For the first time in almost ten years I think we saw Matt fumble the immersion and even the average viewer got pulled out of the story for a moment with how underwhelming the first part was.
@@ghostlyapples I didn’t mind the combat in the first half I do think he miscommunicated the inside of the temple for sure they all got confused but over all I think the combat was good we honestly got to see a best case scenario play out with 3 heavy hitters smoking Ludinus it was when the temple started to fall so did their positioning in the temple and a massive force cage being in the way did that lead to letting 3 people getting smashed But the fact that rocks fell and no one died is wild to me I’d have much rather they took some damage and werent completely fine BUT I kinda look at it like the arch heart nearly lost one of his two tools to release predathos so he had a reason to save them
Luda was straight up not thinking when he proposed to meet up inside of a gods temple. Especially the god of magic. But that type of arrogance is definitely in character. Zathuda was pretty underwhelming tbh. Loved Abu coming in. That item is super broken.
@@ZodiacBandityeah, I got real concerned when the building collapsed and they went to break. Thought we had another FCG situation about to happen. I would have thought that with this fight, they would have leveled up
your last few comments at the end just cracked me up. I couldn't stop laughing for a good little while. Keep up the great work. I always love your summaries. Just, "the arche heart is such a bitch" gets me laughing every time.
Dude I KNEW this right after Downfall. Arch Heart is tired of their creation of the world and the children. He just wants out. He DOES think everything they make is beautiful or has beauty which is greatest strength and weakness, but honestly he tires of humans and creatures they made. HE gave magic to all. HE keeps giving them gifts and opportunities to get rid of him and his family, if you think about it. Yet! He isn't a betrayer. It almost doesn't make sense. He's a two-faced ass honestly. ALL the gods for sure love their children and love their worship so I think the ArchHeart knows this but doesn't want to admit it especially to folks who have chosen to worship one of his other brothers or sisters. Matt is basically giving his players a chance to form the world the way they seem fit which is a great DM thing to do. IMO, they will drive away the gods. I think that is how campaign 3 will end and when campaign 4 starts it will not have ANY of the gods there. What will be there are the Primes and possibly other stuff but who knows. I do know that Arch Heart is correct 100% about Prodathos. That entity cares not for the children nor anything other than the gods. But think about this and answer, PLEASE! If Prodathos does eventually catch ALL the gods and eats them. Then what? Will it go away? Will it then find whatever the gods created and consume that as well (people of exandria and more)?? Seriously. That thing Prodathos, it needs to be destroyed completely and utterly. THAT would be the REAL win. We know 'gods' can be killed. Well what about the god eater? OBVIOUSLY there is a way, but....what can do it? If the gods can't do it....I am completely lost on that one.
@@joeblow7735 I’m very curious about what this massive thing that can kill the gods will do after it kills the gods The only way for it to truly not kill them is to kill it but how if the gods couldn’t how do the bells?
@@ZodiacBandit I agree. But ArchHeart said the Hells have more power than the gods right now. He told them to 'get ahead' of the gods because the gods are 1 step ahead of them ALWAYS so far. So...the key is what's that secret? How do they do something that the gods can't see or get beyond them? Easy if you think about. Aeor did it already. They created something to kill gods with magic that the ArchHeart gave the children. SO, ArchHeart imo, and again, is not a betrayer? I just don't get it. The gods are so naive to believe he is 'on their side'. They should lock him away for being a complete trickster. Anyway, I don't believe the ArchHeart is correct. I think he is just feeding in to the fears of the group. It's a type of control. Anyway, above table Matt is clearly giving the group the full control of where that world goes in the future. Gods jumping down and ultimately destroying everyone again (calamity) isn't a choice imo. There are other ways...curious how this is going to end. IMO, Laudna needs to go talk to Raven Queen as instructed, then Orym needs to go to the wildmother again and tell her directly what ArchHeart said. Believe me when I know she will NOT be happy about it. She CHOSE Orym to be her warrior now her brother is stirring things up. I don't think she will be upset about it like to fight her brother but ya. Reminder, Arch Heart is the one that planted that tree (seed) in their celestial garden to begin with. You and everyone else knows that's what he did. He admitted! I was curious about it once, but I got over it. He said it to the Hells. HE is the one that keeps causing chaos and death. There is NOTHING beautiful about him.
The Matron better not seek to harm or imprison Laudna. She’s been through way too much and come too far just to be torn back away from Imogen and become someone’s slave all over again.
This was an amazing episode, but the thing that upset me was why, in the hell, they were trying to save Zuda ?? " Let him die " !! That why two of them were trapped trying to save Zuda.
@@raymondf3670 I’m not sure it’s interesting and I didn’t touch on it much during the recap and maybe I should’ve but fearne and imogen weren’t on the same page here imogen doesn’t want him to be alive it only hurts them to go with the plan he has set fearne has been strange about her father for awhile the fact she’s willing to talk to him after using her mother and nearly killing her is wild to me but maybe she wants to use him for his power who knows
@@Daltygaming2 I think he was worried about maybe having to many strong things at once like Ludinus and Zathuda never used legendary action when they for sure have them
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Am i the only one that wishes they asked about the luxon. 1. Its literally a god, and 2. Maybe they could use the luxon help. And this is my wild theory. Luxon is the opposite of Predathos.
@@VeemonKing predathos being the darkness eating everything around it and the luxon giving life like it did to exandria YOU ARE BRILLIANT
@ZodiacBandit thank you thank you lol. But really the entire time their talking to the Archheart I was like "this is your big chance to finally ask" I was expecting travis to ask since he's usually the lore guy of the group that picks up on small things
@@VeemonKing definitely a missed opportunity technically the second missed opportunity as Orym talked to the Wildmother so there is a chance wot the raven queen that they ask BUT she wasn’t around for that
@@ZodiacBandit Tengar was probably made of by the Luxon. Antithesis to Predathos.
That Forcecage by Dorian was top 10 worst tactical mistakes in CR. Taking an ally out of the battle when you could have trapped Gloamglut with ease.
@@davidwilfand916 I give Robbie a pass for that he’s new to dnd especially this high a level
The Arch Heart was the god that have magic to mortals. This is the gift they are talking about.
@@williamross6477 I thought that was what they might be taking about but the question came out of literally no where o rewatched it like 6 times
Yeah, the Arch Heart is the absolute worst. Say what you will about the other Prime Deities (I'm pro gods in C3) but at least they're trying to help and protect the mortals, Corellon just doesn't care and will probably abandon his siblings if he has to.
Also, while the Divine Gate would shatter, the Betrayer Gods are locked up in the prisons the Prime's trapped them in before the built the Gate, so a second Calamity wouldn't happen. It would most likely be pro-god Exandrian's and anti-god Exandrian's would have a war, but nowhere near the scale of the Calamity.
But yeah, Arch Heart proves here why most people follow the Dawn Father, Wild Mother and the Platinum Dragon, because while none of them are perfect, they're ready to put their lives on the line and fight for Exandria. Corellon just doesn't care, which is even worse since he gave the mortals magic out of boredom and that's what caused literally all of the worlds problems (evil wizards like Luda, Vespen and Vecna, and stupid arrogant ones like Laeryn).
Corellon is like top 3 coolest gods, people just fail to grasp how cool he is so they tend to depict him like this. He's also one of the strongest if not the strongest, period.
@@8Smoker8 I like Abubakars version makes these gods a bit more unique to critical role’s world
He is asking for something weird though to except someone else to sacrifice when he won’t do the same but they are “the same”
@@ZodiacBandit they aren't the same at all, they are basically creators and created. Human hubris all over again.
Ofc no one should be expected to gladly make any sacrifice (that's what makes it a sacrifice) but it's not absurd of him to ask.
The problem is that Matt's framed Predathos as a destructive force, period, so they can't really let it run free. Otherwise it would make sense from their perspective to consider releasing him.
@@8Smoker8 I think the argument Orym used of “I kill ants every day because I don’t know they are there” is way to strong of a argument for them to go this route but it was a interesting conversation
@@ZodiacBandit Yep agreed. That's why I'm very disappointed, they never really had the option of siding with Ludinus, not even had they been open to it (which they wouldn't have been because of Orym's BG but still...)
It was sooooo underwhelming and completely plot armor, until Abubakar showed up. The Deus Ex Machina works when an actual Deus intervenes lmao
@@ghostlyapples I thought it was weird at first but a god fixing his temple and talking to the people specifically trying to deal with the threat where his connection is strongest makes sense to me and Abubakar showing up was sick Silaha was one of my favourite characters in downfall
@@ZodiacBandit I definitely think some things were changed between episodes so they wouldn't TPK over architectural miscommunication. I absolutely LOVED the Archeart interlude and how he fixed the temple, but the combat part was really weak. For the first time in almost ten years I think we saw Matt fumble the immersion and even the average viewer got pulled out of the story for a moment with how underwhelming the first part was.
@@ghostlyapples I didn’t mind the combat in the first half I do think he miscommunicated the inside of the temple for sure they all got confused but over all I think the combat was good we honestly got to see a best case scenario play out with 3 heavy hitters smoking Ludinus it was when the temple started to fall so did their positioning in the temple and a massive force cage being in the way did that lead to letting 3 people getting smashed
But the fact that rocks fell and no one died is wild to me I’d have much rather they took some damage and werent completely fine BUT I kinda look at it like the arch heart nearly lost one of his two tools to release predathos so he had a reason to save them
Luda was straight up not thinking when he proposed to meet up inside of a gods temple. Especially the god of magic. But that type of arrogance is definitely in character.
Zathuda was pretty underwhelming tbh.
Loved Abu coming in. That item is super broken.
I'm glad you make this video because it make critical role so much easier to get
@@P1nheadlarry. well thank you 🙏🏻
Woooo! I managed to stay up and watch the whole thing because I had today off. Great episode!
@@Sandsquid21 i enjoyed it as well it was 4 hours long but it went by fast
@@ZodiacBandityeah, I got real concerned when the building collapsed and they went to break. Thought we had another FCG situation about to happen. I would have thought that with this fight, they would have leveled up
@@Sandsquid21 they might have after the session
your last few comments at the end just cracked me up. I couldn't stop laughing for a good little while. Keep up the great work. I always love your summaries. Just, "the arche heart is such a bitch" gets me laughing every time.
@@AmrisaLoftus But he gave them a ring it’s totally worth losing the gods for lol
Dude I KNEW this right after Downfall. Arch Heart is tired of their creation of the world and the children. He just wants out. He DOES think everything they make is beautiful or has beauty which is greatest strength and weakness, but honestly he tires of humans and creatures they made. HE gave magic to all. HE keeps giving them gifts and opportunities to get rid of him and his family, if you think about it.
Yet! He isn't a betrayer. It almost doesn't make sense. He's a two-faced ass honestly. ALL the gods for sure love their children and love their worship so I think the ArchHeart knows this but doesn't want to admit it especially to folks who have chosen to worship one of his other brothers or sisters.
Matt is basically giving his players a chance to form the world the way they seem fit which is a great DM thing to do. IMO, they will drive away the gods. I think that is how campaign 3 will end and when campaign 4 starts it will not have ANY of the gods there. What will be there are the Primes and possibly other stuff but who knows. I do know that Arch Heart is correct 100% about Prodathos. That entity cares not for the children nor anything other than the gods. But think about this and answer, PLEASE! If Prodathos does eventually catch ALL the gods and eats them. Then what? Will it go away? Will it then find whatever the gods created and consume that as well (people of exandria and more)?? Seriously. That thing Prodathos, it needs to be destroyed completely and utterly.
THAT would be the REAL win. We know 'gods' can be killed. Well what about the god eater? OBVIOUSLY there is a way, but....what can do it? If the gods can't do it....I am completely lost on that one.
It baffles me that they didn't ask the god how to kill prodathos. I do not understand why NOONE at that table asked.
@@joeblow7735 I’m very curious about what this massive thing that can kill the gods will do after it kills the gods
The only way for it to truly not kill them is to kill it but how if the gods couldn’t how do the bells?
@@joeblow7735 I don’t think he knows how otherwise they’d have done it back then
@@ZodiacBandit I agree. But ArchHeart said the Hells have more power than the gods right now. He told them to 'get ahead' of the gods because the gods are 1 step ahead of them ALWAYS so far. So...the key is what's that secret? How do they do something that the gods can't see or get beyond them? Easy if you think about. Aeor did it already. They created something to kill gods with magic that the ArchHeart gave the children. SO, ArchHeart imo, and again, is not a betrayer? I just don't get it. The gods are so naive to believe he is 'on their side'. They should lock him away for being a complete trickster.
Anyway, I don't believe the ArchHeart is correct. I think he is just feeding in to the fears of the group. It's a type of control. Anyway, above table Matt is clearly giving the group the full control of where that world goes in the future. Gods jumping down and ultimately destroying everyone again (calamity) isn't a choice imo. There are other ways...curious how this is going to end.
IMO, Laudna needs to go talk to Raven Queen as instructed, then Orym needs to go to the wildmother again and tell her directly what ArchHeart said. Believe me when I know she will NOT be happy about it. She CHOSE Orym to be her warrior now her brother is stirring things up. I don't think she will be upset about it like to fight her brother but ya.
Reminder, Arch Heart is the one that planted that tree (seed) in their celestial garden to begin with. You and everyone else knows that's what he did. He admitted! I was curious about it once, but I got over it. He said it to the Hells. HE is the one that keeps causing chaos and death. There is NOTHING beautiful about him.
The Matron better not seek to harm or imprison Laudna.
She’s been through way too much and come too far just to be torn back away from Imogen and become someone’s slave all over again.
@@joshuastrittmatter4188 I think she’s gonna offer her a relic
This was an amazing episode, but the thing that upset me was why, in the hell, they were trying to save Zuda ?? " Let him die " !! That why two of them were trapped trying to save Zuda.
@@raymondf3670 I’m not sure it’s interesting and I didn’t touch on it much during the recap and maybe I should’ve but fearne and imogen weren’t on the same page here imogen doesn’t want him to be alive it only hurts them to go with the plan he has set fearne has been strange about her father for awhile the fact she’s willing to talk to him after using her mother and nearly killing her is wild to me but maybe she wants to use him for his power who knows
Man that combat at least in the first half was weak sauce, no hate just a real difference between Matt normally and Matt currently.
@@Daltygaming2 I think he was worried about maybe having to many strong things at once like Ludinus and Zathuda never used legendary action when they for sure have them
@@ZodiacBandit action economy does play a big role in combat, you might even say a critical role at that!
@@ZodiacBandit The simulacrum should also have had LR. Guessing it didn't cause he has multiple simulacrum.