Plato's Allegory of the Cave | Highlights Ep.42
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In this Highlight from Hillsdale College’s FREE online course, “Introduction to Western Philosophy,” Dr. Nathan Schlueter describes Plato’s famous allegory of the cave and reveals how education can break us from the images that blind us from seeing reality.
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It's a great metaphor for how perception and reality are not necessarily the same.
@@chocolatefigure01 If you keep climbing the path you will come into reality, the sun the trees. There is absolute truth / reality that is what it is no matter what you might think about it.
@@chocolatefigure01 You may think you can fly but when you step off the 3rd floor balcony you come to the realization of reality when you hit the ground. Its a simple illustration but accurate. If you are interested you can find the true nature of reality by reading and studying the bible.
If one is to awaken from their stupor, no longer enchanted by illusion, it is absolutely imperative that your perception be aligned with reality (objective truth). This is how we exit The Cave.
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I am really loving this course. I forgot how fun and exciting it was to learn about something new.
Which course is this?
This reminds me of a quote from the movie "Man from La Mancha", spoken by Peter O'toole. "Life, as it is." It ends with the words that haunt me, "... but maddest of all is to see Life as it is, and not as it should be."
Finished this course a few months ago. Loved it! I did Aristotle’s Ethics after and it was literally life-changing. A must-read for everyone in the west. Just finished Intro to the Constitution yesterday. Fantastic course as well, and so much better if you have the other two under your belt. For this last one I organized a live weekly discussion group with some friends. Good stuff. Thank you, Hillsdale for making such great material available to the public!
Wow, would love to join your discussion group!
Protect Hillsdale College and its staff at all costs. This is real education.
"You've got to make the journey yourself." Brilliant!
I was so blessed 50 yrs ago in university to learn this and it constantly applies to my struggles to let go of the false (I’m the most difficult image maker to dislodge). When challenged to mature to a higher perspective of reality, I have to be willing to walk through the fire that Burns illusions/delusions away. Like any system, I have to value growth more than avoidance of the perceived threat of change, becoming more open to life, others and risking the pain of surrendering my survival instinct. Each time I accomplish this, I realize I’ve climbed another step toward reality. Then, life brings another challenge to break another link in the chain. It’s not so discouraging to cycle back if I see it this way, having made a bit of progress. I do see this as an image of my maturing in my faith. A few years ago, in contemplative prayer, I was blessed with a glimpse beyond the cave. I saw the Madonna holding the infant Jesus on a very high pillar or throne. I knew that heaven lay behind them, though I couldn’t see it. I’ve since had more powerful/consistent motivation to live, breaking every chain I can, but with the help of God, as each consonant dissonance arises. I’ve been so blessed to continue studying philosophy at the online Albertus Magnus Institute, which has outstanding professors, provides a liberal arts perspective and is free. Highly recommend lifelong learning through programs offered by Hillsdale, etc. because these beautiful, good and universal truths just keep opening new ways to understand as we study them. God bless you and all you crucial work in this age of deception.
I also learned about Allegory of the Cave when I was in university and it changed me the way I saw the video and I think about it from time to time and apply it to many things while also showing it to many others
Amazing how much Hillsdale teaches. Just imagine if every college focused as intently on actual education rather than indoctrination or "keeping the students chained facing the wall"!
What has happened in colleges is truly heartbreaking. Hopefully some day we’ll go back to educating new generations.
@@endangeredspecies1757 I've only known these things recently. I'm Indonesian living in Indonesia and here and I assume in most Asian countries education pretty much means getting the skills for the job you want. I didn't even know there's such a thing as this where you're not taught the conclusion, you're taught how you view the world. I had a background in engineering so I guess I'm "lucky" since engineering implicitly teaches this (you figure out yourself how to solve a problem), but hearing it told explicitly always helps. It articulates what you've experienced to be true and brings it forward instead of just in the background.
@@vivienneb6199 Do they all get taught "we're all the guys w the chains and we need to keep learning" or they're taught "this is irrelevant we're all outside the cave already"?
@@vivienneb6199 And you know this how? It's amazing that know the same story but you seem to adopt the exact opposite of what this story's trying to tell. The simplified point is you don't know what you don't know.
Now explain to me in detail how you know for sure the answer is the former when freedom of speech is unpopular today in America. Shouldn't freedom of speech be popular if people know the lesson of "you don't know what you don't know"?
We can also get into why you think your second claim about Jesus is wrong as if it needs no explanation. Why would you need no explanation to rule out anything if you agree w the lesson of the cave?
@@vivienneb6199 ????? Pretentious are we! Reread my post. Where did I say Hillsdale is the Only college that teaches and or has a good curriculum? Sheesh. Some people need to get their panties out of a wad! And manipulated? Chains? I'm a conservative Christian who is deeply in the know and I'd appreciate if you get your facts straight before blindly replying to a post from someone whom you've no idea about. Now have a blessed day.
What a great course to take if you are on the pilgrimage of life, thank you.
I absolutely ADORED this course when i took it! I am so glad that they are making shorts of it here! Now more people can actually learn about philosophy!
Fantastic explanation. Thank you very much. I wish I could gleam those insights from reading.
Brilliant! Thank you for producing such a high quality video. I can't wait to share this with my students.
This is a fantastic resource. The scary thing to me is the unprecedented apathy existing today, especially among youth, preventing them from stepping up and seeking the truth. Some people don’t want to be free. Covid taught me that.
I guess i missed this in my college philosophy class in 1985. I love it!
Amazing video. Also relates to Goffman and the manipulation of who we are.
That was so powerful! Thank you!
Great sir
Watching you from India
Loved the way you explained it
Thank you
This is thought provoking! Thank you!
such a fun way to explain this concept! Enjoy this teachig from start to finish. Thank you so much, sir!
This is a great course!!
1995 Cerritos college. I was enrolled in Philosophy class which I remember the instructor talking about the cave. I saw myself as the people in chains watching tv and thinking that is all there is. Then, it broke my existence, that I am. I am a security tech which my customers who were actors and producers were just human. I realized and this all made sense…. It broke my illusion. Downey California
Really enjoyed this talk. Thank you
This video came up in my feed after having a conversation about Marcus Aurelius, Socrates and Philosophy in general with my friend.
And my friend is a teacher.
Well played google. You listened good this time.
Just wonderful!
Understanding the Greek philosophy context of the first century world can be essential in understanding the arguments against that philosophical worldview which the gospel writers are presenting. The apostle James, the brother of Jesus, shows a vivid awareness of this Socratic teaching of "The Cave", when he specifically refutes this concept of "How do we know?" in James 1:16-17.
@Mom By The Sea I explain this a bit more in my lessons on James 1:16 and James 1:17. (I apologize of the poor audio quality) If those do not answer your questions, we can pick up this conversation again. ruclips.net/video/tEzHmd3Qv2Q/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/XZj-jo79pL8/видео.html
Thanks for sharing!
Inspiring. Nicely done.
Loved this!!!!
"All good *working class* men have the *duty* to be involved in *local* politics, or *suffer* being *ruled* by his *inferiors* - some Greek
2000+ years ago
Even now, those words ring true.
The Greeks are children.
beautiful! Thank you!
Well done! 👍👍
Great vidéo :) For adventurers, the word "democratician" may be handy at the end of the process. It answers the question "how to name the agent of a democratical action?".
Also, fire is no longer is use in the cave, politicians uses electrical tools to project images.
Cheers, and good luck.
Great teacher!!! I took a course with; awesome!! Free courses
I like it. Good job.
right on!...nuff said!
I'm a bit late to the party. But may I say that this is the best explanation, interpretation, of the cave that I have seen. Thank you.
Marvellous metaphor.
You have to make the journey yourself is the most profound thing ever said in philosophy.
Shalom!
Very profound!
I found the moment the video turned from the more 'realistic' drawing of the cave, to him holding his own drawing of it quite hilarious haha. Around 1:28
A den of where marbled patterning of wooded walls. A splendid desk
Socrates was a Moral Hitman! He is someone to listen to.
Marvellous.
Our new podcast The Sage's Way discusses the Allegory of the Cave in our first episode. Check us out...🙏🏼👊🏼🌌
Why does the speaker only mention Socrates when explaining Plato’s Cave?
Plato was Socrates student and he wrote about his teacher's lessons. Socrates himself didn't write his philosophy down. So we know about this cave allegory (originally by Socrates) by reading Plato.
@@hans7686 thank you; corroborated by searching the subject.
Isn’t it also true, regarding the use of written language, that Socrates was resistant to it because it weakened the mind by relegating the rigors and discipline of memory to the pen?
i just cried...
excellent
Great! Bravo! In five minutes... We notice that the Light, the Sun, represents the Good, ΤΟ ΑΓΑΘΟΝ. Α Greek friend,
Demetrios Maniatis.
You got to make the journey yourself. That’s deep.
"In Order to find yourself
THINK FOR YOURSELF"
Somebody should make a movie about this!
I've heard about Plato's cave but never had it explained. Very helpful. Was he serious in "The Republic"? Did he really think we should all be ruled by philosopher kings and grouped in classes?
Allan Bloom said it was ironic. We’d never agree to Plato’s conditions that might cause us to arrive at justice. Plato knew that, and his book makes it clear why that is the case.
Yes and yes it sounds silly but much of what the west embraces today is anti platonic at its core and can be very hard to comprehend in the same spirit. The traditionalist thinkers like Rene Guenon, Julius Evola, Frithoj Schoun are considered radical Platonist that lived in the modern world.
Crisis of the modern world by Rene Guenon and his magnum opus Reign of quantity and the signs of the times are great books to read before reading Plato himself because it deals with the modern mind and its dogmas. Another short read is political platonism by Alexander Dugin.
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Here’s the idea of class or caste in the platonic spirit ruclips.net/video/itCAOAX781o/видео.html
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Plato's work did not demand that condition as much as it was a guide to think about our existence as it is perceived at many levels.
His work "The Republic" was theoretical, as he stated, but his angle of philosopher-kings and class differentiation was deliberate as he believed it mirrored the reality of what naturally happened but a more deliberate and transparent approach would cut out much of the nepotism and political wrangling that marks education both then and now.
You could almost say what he was advocating with the 'philosopher king' pipeline was a form of Gifted and private education provided based on testing and assessment metrics...with a special note, he said most young men would wash out of and be placed into the military (or middle management) caste. Ethics being the decider between an abnormally smart worker and a philosopher-king...he flatly states that many very smart kids simply fail at ethics and they should be removed from positions of authority in society and focus on technical jobs.
Product of my environment.
You can experience this firsthand by having a psychedelic trip and trying to tell people what it was like. Many people are completely uninterested.
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Cool.
High vs. Low. Both undiscussable because “crazy”. Plato and the cave allegory provides the substitute arguments. Something to build the next layer of civilization on top of. It’s a bit like taking Tiberius Caesars comment about Herod and a few others (“upon thes rockheads I shall build your civilization”) in response to “the Challenge” and crossing it out by using a phrase that has been passed down through the last almost 2,000 years.
This is my spiritual story
A naïve soft hearted man who lived in a wealthy city (London) and spent all his time helping people distanced himself to a mountainous land. On the way there he kept helping people. He then fell ill and these thoughts came to him: what will I do afterwards? I will go to the top of the mountain and let the vultures eat me; I want no riches of this world; I am coming to help my father; and I can work. He then goes back to the wealthy city and miraculously finds work. He then understands the vultures are the people he attracted and he did not know he was attracting because he was naïve; he wants no riches of this world because he has the virtues of this world; he helps his father die with out suffering in his old age, and he works.
Now this is similar to Plato's allegory of the Cave in that his story has huge amount of wisdom, and just like the caveman who returns to the cave to illuminate those inside, I've encountered much hostility as I have tried to illuminate the world with the wisdom in this story.
If anyone could help me with dissemination of this wisdom, I would much appreciate it.
Plato's Allegory of the Cave: A Khanversation about how it is relevant to us today
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In this Khanversation Dr. Muqtedar Khan summarizes Plato's Allegory of the cave and discusses how it is more than an invitation to philosophy. He shows how it speaks to our reality today which is marred by social media, ideological narratives, corporate media and governments.
Next time I show some power points, or a video, I can mention Socrates and the benefit of being in light instead of darkness-when I turn up the lights back in the classroom. 😁
Does anyone know enough about this to direct me to any answers to the question of How does Plato suggest the people in the cave, the former prisoner returns to, determine whether what he's saying is enlightened truth or just as untrustworthy as he says the shadows from the Image Makers are? Killing him for contradicting their understanding of reality might be a little extreme, but how could they possibly know whether to hold fast to what they've understood as the scope of reality or to give such a strange person and their stranger story a chance?
Obviously there are a lot of answers - but I'm wondering if Plato had one.
Aquinas's re-incorporation of Aristotle into Christianity relaxed the medieval Church's Neo-Platonist restrictions on iconography, making it possible for Raphael to paint The School of Athens on one Vatican wall, The Disputata on opposite wall: brining together the projectors and those projected into the Western Cave.
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Philosophy question: How can they sit there so long chained down not taking a dump?
I think the true meaning of the allegory is essentially political, as shown by the discussion between Socrates and Glaucon after that. It's about why the freed prisoner should get back in the cave, i.e. the philosopher should not get lost in the sky of ideas but get involved in the city and seize power without getting killed.
Socrates is so weird. John Wesley's illustration of the House with a Porch is so much better and easier for layfolk to understand.
If only public state education was as you describe.
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Why does this "professor" keep saying Socrates wrote this and that in the allegory of the cave? It was Plato that wrote the allegory 20 years after Socrates' death sentence. Has he not read the text himself? Or is he just assuming?
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Interesting.
Plato's Cave is affirming my experiences as a Missionary child. Later shunned by my inquisition (John 15:6, pruned from the vine for doing Native Sweatlodges-out of the cave), but outside the cave also by the light of NDEs, John 15:15 "we are all FRIENDS!".
Insight from Plato's Cave: I am aware of this allegory related to Jesus, the man, bringing back the light to the RELIGIOUS leaders in the Holy Land by conversations and again in India he was threatened for exposing the CHAINS of the CAST SYSTEM🤔
Another was not UNDERSTANDING Jesus spiritual journey in the wilderness: contrary to FIGHTING the DEVIL, he was using solitude to inner journey connecting to "we are all FRIENDS, etc.".
For the disciples, Jesus, metaphorically speaking, describing learning to walk before those in chains that were bound & had not walked 🤔
Also, consider in this context, breeding a superior RACE!
The best genetics are selected, likely including by accomplishments of those getting out of the cave. 🤔
Then, they are born into those in chains focused on the shadow reality; which is toxic, but status quo! Look at the Nazi OUTCOMES and fundamentalist, Can't even resolve leadership in current House of Representatives & Keep our Government open or CHAIN EVERYONE IN THE CAVE! 🤔
Navy veteran, Missionary child, NDEs, witness
I was in that cave and then Christ came and broke my chains. The light blinded my eyes and it hurt too, but He forgave me all of my sins. He woke me up from the worldly sleep..and saved me and I will never go back to the cave again.
All Socrates was conveying is fear of the unknown.
Change evokes chaos and people relish familiarity.
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Aquí los que vienen de Mindshop ❤
Don't f*** with my illusions -"Cave Dweller" :)
At the top of my spiral staircase is 😂
I posted something about the allegory on Facebook in February of 2020 to warn people about what was about to happen.
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Whoa , still today the abstraction further . Is flow on notion of "the cave" controlled itself into direction s of cognitive processes.
The likelihood of error is almost complete in man. A preacher once explaining error put it this way, They can't see the truth because they believe wrong, ( their minds believe wrong) so their eyes are turned backwards, the opposite way to where they could see forward or right.
The metaphor of the turning of the soul seems very similar. Only God can reveal that by turning the eyes around.
Wow, apply this to the reality of our great God created flat stationary earth.
Don't I know it
I thought it’s Plato’s allegory of the cave??
Maybe I’m just one of the prisoners in the cave, but I could have sworn this allegory was attributed to Plato.
Book Seven of “The Republic”
Then why separate the liberal arts if they all are part of the one?
In Freud’s Object Relation theory there are internal objects and external objects. Internal objects are like your dead grandmother’s voice. External objects is that car coming at you. Narcissists, like Neo is The Matrix (word root mother) only experience internal objects. Psychopaths (predators) only experience external objects. Lions, tigers and bears probably only experience external objects. Most philosophers are introverts (Jung said all narcissists are introverts). Philosophers overthink and become trapped in their on cave. That is what the movie The Matrix is about.
Do you believe Trump is an introvert? Do you know Jung was not referring to narcissistic personality disorder? You’re saying that “Neo” has the same root as “narcissist”?
@@giordanobruno2509 yes Trump treats a 50,000 audience as his people. His taste is garish Mari lago and his New York apt. He makes faces and calls people names like a five year old. His niece, a psychotherapist wrote a book saying so. All film directors are narcissists, they deal with internal objects. Hitchcock and his mommy issues, etc. Almost all films made since WWII are about mommy. Psycho, Joker, Alien, Aliens or Daddy The Shinning. Film directors suspect there is an outside world with real objects Rosebud but don’t know how to get there.
@@markmartin2292 There is a difference between narcissistic personality disorder and the will of an artist. Although if you're going to talk about film directors, you should also talk about CEOs, senators, surgeons and priests. Also college presidents like Arnn - total and utter sociopath.
@@giordanobruno2509 in Alice Millers book The Drama of the Gifted Child she talks specifically about Ingmar Bergman and how narcissism itself is a creative approach to childhood trauma. Think Sybil’s creative use of dissociative hysterical neurosis to her abusive mother. Willa Cather said there are only two or three stories and they go on repeating themselves over and over as if they’ve never happened before. Neo is trapped in his cave (womb) just like Plato. I know film directors because I am one.
@@markmartin2292 That book is silly. Every human has childhood trauma. There are two responses - identification with a hammer or identification with a nail. The effective, balanced person realizes they embody both. Governments and Merchants depend on nails to do their work for them. Artists and philosophers (liberals, free-thinkers) are the hammers that strike other hammers; they are the agents of change, the snakes in the garden, the reform in the corruption, the armed man at Harper’s Ferry, the people who founded Hillsdale before it began its alliance with the Devil.
To me what Socrates and plato are saying is to look through the lies and deception and don't listen to the noise, be focused on the truth!!!!
Funny enough I was reminded of this while watching the Lunar Eclipse last night. I wondered what the blood moon phase of the eclipse would be like standing on the surface of the moon and the limits of my perspective being stuck on Earth wondering from a distance.
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Good video... but... what in the world is the purpose of the background music/noise? What objective did it serve? To interfere with our understanding of the presentation, to distract us, to make it more difficult to follow what this person says?
Socrates says, "Take the red pill!"
Funny how our tvs are on our walls.
Global meanings I think 🫀
Having ideas. and hypothesizing on them. By thinking about it like maybe you're thinking about how it works or how it came to be. So you can test it in some way shape or form. is a good thing. It's not just making up things that off of some stuff that we know is true and just messing things up with others it's a question basically. But when you use philosophy. Example! if there's no one around. and a tree falls. does it make a sound.? Now I guess if you've never experienced a tree fall and you wouldn't know if it made of sound or not but if you don't have the capability to comprehend that from anything else that's falling or been moved that you have heard cognite capability of your being self-awares on the negative end of the scale there and percentage. just being nice. Well why do you say that? Cuz I've witnessed a tree fall. And I know anyone does it makes a sound. It's science and in the truth there's no room for creating things that don't exist in the first place like Schrodinger's cat absurd if you put a cat in a box or any other living creature mammals leave it with mammals there. And you put poisonous vapors in there that you know are lethal or you know whether that cat's dead or not.do you even have to open the box? To know whether or not the cats dead or not. Of course you do! Not!
The Matrix (2500 ago)
I found the byword for Hillsdale/Imprimis', "Because ideas have consequences" as from a bad cop/gangster... "And don't get any big ideas (or else)." 'Thankfully appears they might have ditched this slogan. // Btw, indoctrination and chains can occur anywhere, anytime. Keep up the 'liberal education' ~
I guess I'm one of the only people who is disappointed by this explanation. To me, the most important lesson of the allegory of the cave is the exposition of plato's theory of the forms (eidos). Behind reality stand eternal archetypes. Diogenes gives the once and for description of and rebuttal to the archetypal theory: "I have seen plato's cup and table, but not his cup and tableness." But he also incarnates the theory: he is called the Dog because he lives in the street and barks at people. He fulfills the archetype. The explanation in this class focuses on freeing oneself from the power of crowd or opinion or "image-makers." This is a contemporary concern, when people are all bunched up in crowds opposing one another and trying to free themselves, as they think, for the delusions foisted upon them by 'image-makers.' It does not, in this sense, transcend the people in the cave casting the shadows because it is in conformity with the current materialistic perspiective, which abolishes non-material ideas and experiences.
Perhaps you can help me, you say outside the cave are trees with real apples, but that the freed prisoners are encouraged to go up, into the sunlight to find the truth , that now you call ' ideas'. How did real apples all of a sudden become ideas?.