"But sir! That's the Titanic!! It's from the 20th century and totally not spaceready!"...."I don't care...launch it! The Borg won't know what they have coming!!" lol
The novel Ship of the Line does have a USS Roderick being renamed as a new USS Bozeman prior to the First Contact and the Borg battle... (although there is no real proof what class it is, and it's even implied to have a smallish crew)
In the Simon & Schuster Novel; "Ship of the Line", that's exactly what happened. She was carrying artifacts from the Titanic around on a Federation-wide tour.
Batesman has a long family tradition of military service. His great, great, great, great grandfather was commander of the WW2 USS Stingray for naval war games. Captain Thomas Dodge, being massively outnumbered and outgunned, was able to win the war games using science and cunning. He did so well he was granted the command of the next highly advanced, for its time, Seawolf class nuclear submarine.
it was also referenced in the previous TNG film, Generations The Starship Bozeman was forced to make a course correction. ...Ambient magnetic fields ~Data
Ensign on the Bozeman at the battle of sector 001: Sir! We're about to face a borg cube! What do we do?! Captain Bateson: Well son. Ever heard of the USS Johnston?
You got that right. "Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead." The Bozeman would have been overhauled to modern specs more and better phasers. Photon and quantum torpedoes. It was probably in top fighting shape in the battle of sector 001.
I saw at least one Miranda class ship attacking the Cube, so the Soyuz class Bozeman really isn’t a stretch. It was probably brought up to the current Miranda standard. It might have had a few more features and capabilities though over contemporary Mirandas given its larger size. I’m sure it saw a lot of service and I think was also mentioned in Star Trek: Nemesis. After that point it was probably decommissioned and placed in a museum.
I'd recommend reading the book " Ship of the Line" by Diane Carey. It starts in the past with the Bozeman before the contact with the Enterprise D. Then goes on with the maiden voyage of the E with Bateson in command. And Scotty is aboard as well serving with Geordi and chief and assistant engineers. Also you have a Klingon with a long standing feud with Bateson as the story's antagonist. The ship that fought against the Borg was the Bozeman -A or 2. A brand new ship since the original was a museum ship.
The Bozeman was mentioned in Star Trek Generations and in at least one other TNG episode other than "Cause & Effect". I assume the Bozeman was massively refitted after arriving in the 24th Century. (It is not that hard to believe since there were Miranda Class vessels still in service) Of course, there might have been another Bozeman already in service when the old Bozeman was freed from the time loop.
I remember the first version of the old Collectable card game, its First contact expansion had the Bozeman with the flavor text that it had been heavily upgraded. Always thought it was a neat card.
It's basically the Russian method. If something is coming to your home and it is classed as THE last stand, you throw everything and I mean EVERYTHING at it. Be it young, old, falling to bits, even if it slows the enemy because if you dont try you are dead anyway. You fire till your ammo is out, your ammo is gone throw the weapon at them! Never give up, never surrender. Perhaps today is a good day to die! Ramming speed!
I've actually read the 'Ship Of The Line' book myself and the crew of the Bozeman was actually given an Akira class starship at the end of the book that they renamed the Bozeman II, before being assigned to the Sol System Defensive Force, and it was that Bozeman that fought at the Battle of Sector 001.
Reusing a refitted old ship isn't unheard of. Even old combat aircraft are often retrofit . Case in point, the Australian airforce flew forty year old F-111s , but they were fitted with state of the art avionics. To quote a combat pilot, "They are old, they are temperamental, and they are very good at killing anyone dumb enough to underestimate them."
The Paraguay Army finally retired the last three M4 Shermans known to still be in service in 2018. If you try, and are cheap, you can keep things running for a long time.
@@jkeelsnc I concur, there are still nearly 30 C-47/DC-3 's in operation throughout the world in active military capacity. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Perhaps that is because the old tricks still work wonders.
Warthogs are excellent examples. The A-10s have been in service since the 70s and God willing so much longer still. Hogs are absolute beasts, ground-pounders love them, and the enemy becomes Swiss cheese because of them. Brrrrrrrrt
During the Iraqi war Canada wanted to send a ship to participate, but the US's rules held that every ship must be capable of self-defence against aircraft, and the ship Canada was sending had no deck armanents. To fix the problem, they raided a Maritime war museum and borrowed a Bofors anti-aircraft gun from the Second World War, which they bolted to the deck of the ship. Bam, problem solved.
I just looked it up. It was the HMCS Protecteur, it happened in August 1990, and the guns had originally come from a ship decommissioned more than 20 years earlier (HMCS Bonaventure), which had used them during the Second World War.
Anything would be better than the travesty of the new "In Name Only" Trek. Seriously how could they think STD and Picard would be good ideas. They could so easily have retooled the plot of Star Trek Online as a TV series. Most of the design work has already been done by Cryptic.
I was thinking the same thing. Mainly the story would be about a crew out of time adjusting to a new time period. Bring the cowboy era of the original series to the TNG time line. Maybe have the crew of the Bozeman clash with the ideals of the TNG federation time.
The USS Bozeman also appeared at the end of Star Trek: Generations as part of a group of Starfleet vehicles picking up the survivors of the Enterprise-D after its' primary-hull crash-landed on a planet.
Just a thought: just because the Bozeman was at the Battle of Sector 001 doesn’t mean it was at the front lines. In my head, the ship served as a rescue-and-recovery ship, beaming away survivors and towing crippled ships away from the battle before going back in. Setting that aside, I love the idea of Starfleet keeping the Bozeman as a museum ship at Starbase 12 for a while until the ship is rushed back into service as the Dominion threat begins to ramp up. Starfleet refit the Bozeman was state-of-the-art technology and recommission her (requiring the renaming of the Bozeman-A, I suppose?). After all, the Bozeman’s spaceframe is only twenty years old at that point. The Bozeman fights the good fight, kicking some Jem’hadar arse for good measure. After the war, the Bozeman is once again decommissioned and returns to Starbase 12 as a museum ship.
The Fifth Doctor claimed to be allergic to certain gases in the Praxis range of the spectrum. Celery, he said, would turn purple in the presence of such gases. In that case, he would eat the celery; if nothing else, he said, at least it would be good for his teeth. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Celery
Fun fact: in STO, the fleet T6 advanced light cruiser's(Bozeman) cannon and turret firing points are the "sensor pods". Btw, Saratoga body style's X-wing like "sensors" are cannon firing points as well.
I don't have many Star Trek books except for the James Blish ones, and the Star Trek IV novelization which I HIGHLY recommend as it explains so many details left out of the film. An example is that when Kirk and Spock need "exact change" to ride the bus, they go to a shop to break a bill. The cashier says that they have to buy something to get change, so they buy a few chocolate peppermint patties which they both eat. It turns out that chocolate makes Vulcans "drunk" which is why he blatantly jumped into the whale tank and then uses profanity!
This was already covered before. The Bozeman was given a refit, given that the class of ship itself was still in service. And many ships of that size were in the first blockade. Starfleet used smaller, less powerful ships mostly in the first waves, saving the larger ones for a bigger punch as they got closer to earth.
Given sisko call the class DDs in favors the bold of course DDs are the among the first ships the enemy get his back side bust by first next light cruiser ,heavy cruiser lastly by BBs . Fleet strategy one o one
With the battle of sector 001, Starfleet command mobilized every available ship to help fight the cube. It didn't matter the age. And it was Admiral Hayes that made the call.
I get what you're saying, but the Bozeman had been turned into a Museum ship at this time. It would have taken too much time to get it back into fighting condition.
@@Unknown-gn8gn You don't know what it takes to bring a ship out of museum status do you? At least in ST, the warp-core is removed, and so are all the phasers and photon torpedoes.
@@hudsonball4702 So the fast solution is to reinstall the torpedoes and phasers and fuck the warp drive - the battle is here at home - why does it need to go warp speed? lol The Space shuttle Discovery from the 20th'21st century United States space programs could have reached the Borg cube where it was - Sure it would have been blown to smithereens but a museum ship could have been battle ready in a few hours probably I'd think - especially w/ Scotty or B'helana Torres in Engineering haha - even the engineer from ST:Enterprise (I think his name was Tripp or Tucker or something) could have done it in a few hours even with technology he had yet to ever see. Then again Scotty was in retirement on that planet (or still on the Shuttle Enterprise D gave him) and B'helana Torres was either on the Marquis ship or in the Delta Quadrant still at the time of the battle of 001 so they had to use whatever available engineers they had - still shouldn't take long to reinstall the phasers and photon torpedoes. Then again in a few hours there may not be even naval vessels left of the federation so perhaps that's not wise lol
They may have had the Bozeman assist with the Borg cube specifically because it's so old. The Borg may not have had any adaptation to the older tech, like throwing a spear through a force field that blocks all energy based weapons but not projectile attacks. I mean it would probably get blown out of space but still...
Similar to how Picard used real bullets on the holodeck with the safety protocols deactivated in ST:First Contact as it would have gone through their personal shields as if they didn't even have them up at all.
Reminds me of stargate sg1 with the replicators. The replicators kept adapting to all the asgard energy weapons, so the asgard enlisted sg1 because regular old bullets were too old and foreign for the replicatlrs to adapt to.
I like the Soyuz Class. A bulky and stable looking warship, with four large mounted gun turrets. Far more industrial looking than most Starfleet ships, even the ones from the 2200's.
Conflating Wolf 359 with the Battle of Sector 001. The former happened in the TNG two parter "The Best of Both Worlds" and the latter occurred during the opening scenes of the "First Contact" movie.
The Bozeman that fought at the battle at sector 001 was a newer starship, which like the Enterprise, continue with its legendary name. It had an A after its number (NCC 1941-A). The original Bozeman is now a museum
Read the novel, it's a good read. Before the Bozeman ended up in TNG she was playing cat and mouse with a Klingon ship that was trying to sneak up on and take out a starbase. The Bozeman was turned into a museum ship and docked at the starbase she and her crew saved after arriving in the 24thy century. At the end of the novel, Captian Bateson was given command of a New Akira Class that was given the name Bozeman.
I never learned what the class was. Some sources say Sovereign-class, but that seems vaguely supported at best. If Roderick, the original name of the ship before renaming, was an astronaut or similar, then I guess it could be Sabre class?
I personally have a soft spot for the Soyuz Class design. Don't know why, but I've always had an appreciation for obscure starship designs that deserve far more love and attention (the New Orleans Class included). And the U.S.S. Bozeman is definitely no exception here, as it's definitely a personal favourite of mine. :) As for the Battle of Sector 001? Well, I'd like to imagine that the Bozeman was upgraded for better combatting the Borg. ^.^
Either Starfleet decommisioned the Bozeman and replaced her somewhere before the battle of Sector 001 with a newer vessel , possibly from one of the newer classes (Akira, Steamrunner, etc.....) , or she was put to service as an academy training vessel ( like the Excelsior class Farragut ) and was drafted into the fleet in order for it to encompass as many ships as possible.
Or Saber, yes. The book Ship of the Line says it was called USS Roderick, and then renamed. I have NOT found reliable sources for saying it was a Sovereign-class.
I like to believe - and found a good reason for it - that it makes sense to reuse even century-old ships: Space is a damn hostile environment. It hasn't got any oxygen. It doesn't even have pressure, complicating things further beyond the lack of oxygen. It has hard radiation everywhere which will cause severe damage to your body and to electronic equipment over time. It has no gravity, which is bad for lifeforms that don't have a form of recoil propulsion. A space ship's basic frame (in Trek) combats all of those. It is an enclosure, keeping any atmosphere providing pressure and oxygen inside. It gives you radiation shielding due to the thickness of the outer layer. And the all-mysterious Trek 'gravity plating' is probably a fundamental design part in the basic frame of the ship as well. Making sure that such a frame is durable against wear and tear, expected pressure due to acceleration and unexpected pressure due to phenomena or weapon's fire, makes the effort that goes into it quite significant. I can imagine that the basic frame of a space vessel constitutes the majority of the costs of its production. So it makes sense to re-use older ships, as checking the hull for fractures and damages is probably a lot more cost-efficient than to re-build it from scratch. Especially because they are built to be durable given unexpected stresses and pressures the hull has to be able to endure, making a space ship's hull even more long-lasting.
I remember seeing the episode with the Bozeman going through the time rift as a kid but I never knew exactly what happened to it. I remember it being mentioned in Generations but didn’t realize it was in First Contact. I had never realized that they were never sent back. Imagine being plunged 90 years into the future with no way back and everyone you knew and loved were all gone never to be seen again. I suppose it’s definitely possible the ship had some major upgrades. The excelsior class was around over 100 years and I remember when the Lakota got into a battle with the Defiant that Miles O’Brien mentioned the extraordinary amount of firepower for an excelsior class ship.
@@fritsfelix8423 Even when in the TOS era they were capable to "easily" doing time travel with the slingshot maneover in an old Bird of Prey.. i imagine the Bozeman could do it even easier.. but maybe they were not allowed because in the timeline the Bozeman officially dissapeared 80 years before.. going back would create a new one where it didnt dissapeared.. you know time travel is a constant mess and joke in ST
i always assumed it was used as a museum ship, that would explain it being in earth orbit at the time of the attack. in first contact when the defiant and bozeman were told to fall back the voice that says "acknowledged" actually sounds like kelsey grammer.
Regarding the Soyuz-class Bozeman at Sector 001: shoving some new-model quantum torpedoes into the launchers would at least allow the old boat to get some hits in. She might have been in Sol getting refitted, or even decommissioned outright, which would explain her presence. A Borg cube really is an "all hands on deck" situation, obsolete design or no, and Admiral Hayes probably figured it was better to have the NCC-1941 present than not, if it was in the area anyway. Then again, Hayes' judgment is kinda suspect. He did try to keep Picard and the Enterprise-E (one of the most effective ships Starfleet had) out of the fight.
The Bozeman went under refit... Battle of 001 was NCC-1941A... What we want to know is: What happened to Capt. Bateson? Was it still his ship? There's the reboot series, spin off another series after 3-4 seasons, and spin off movies start...The USS Bozeman NCC-1941, from drydock, to final decommission... We get a series that crosses all series, with a ship that is already cannon in everything... As told by Retired Admiral Morgan Bateson... Grammar Productions, where are you? LoL
of all the miranda variants this is my favorite. favorite in fact all 3 t6 mirandas i have in STO have the saucer section with the hangar bays and antennas
Hey buddy don't forget the Excelsior and Miranda Classes had been around for nearly a hundred years as well and that the Soyuz Class Starships were a variant of the Miranda Class with a few differences here and there in the design.
0:50. The Bozeman at the battle of the Borg incursion was either a diffeent USS Bozeman. Such as the Bozeman B, or C, Or. The ship could have been, most definetly would have been, extensivly upgraded.
Cpt. Fraser Crane, I mean Cpt. Bulldog Bateson was one of the better guest actors in Star Trek actually conveying a sense of authority instead of just taking the script writers word for it.
I love this episode of the Bozeman. I wrote a screenplay concept for Kelsey Grammar to be a singing starship captain. Recall his singing skills as sideshow Bob? Imagine a comedic startrek spinoff for KG?
36:00-1:00 The answer, from Memory Alpha: "Bateson was the lead character of the Star Trek novel Ship of the Line, the story of which tells of the incident that trapped the Bozeman in the temporal causality loop and the problems of Bateson and the Bozeman crew trying to adjust to life in the 24th century. The novel establishes that the Bozeman was retired and made into a museum ship at Starbase 12 in 2371, and that Bateson and his crew were briefly assigned to the new USS Enterprise-E for her shakedown cruise the following year. Following the shakedown, Bateson and his crew were reassigned to a new USS Bozeman (NCC-1941-A), which is the ship that participates in the Battle of Sector 001 in Star Trek: First Contact."
Considering a Oberth class took on the Borg this older/newish Miranda class might stand a chance for a few seconds longer. Maybe the Borg didn't see these ships as threats.
It's also listed amongst the ships listed on the screen right before the Scimitar attacks the Enterprise. Not sure why it would be such a surprise to so many commenters if it is still in service. They might have retired the class 80 years earlier, but Starfleet just found itself a fully-functional ship and crew for free, so to speak. Why not simply upgrade what needs to be in it? The Excelsior and Miranda classes are still in use.
Great run-down of the USS Bozeman. Didn't the Bozeman make a course correction in 'Star Trek Generations' (1994) as noted by Data and Picard in Stellar Cartography? 🙂
The Soyuz class was a heavily upgunned version on the Miranda. It had 4 Heavy Phaser Cannons and extra sensors. It was very slow compared to the fleet as it was built for Colony Defense.
Given how the Battle of Sector 001 was essentially Wolf-359 Pt. 2, Starfleet threw everything and the kitchen sink at that cube, cause they'd learned (somewhat) from their previous encounter with the Borg. And if you're going to complain about the Bozeman being sent in, you should also complain about any of the Miranda-class ships being sent, as they're ALSO ships that are a century old in terms of design.
In Jackill's Starships books, those "Sensor Pods" are actually heavy mega phaser turrets as the Soyuz class was originally an attempt to fit star base level phaser firepower into a frigate sized hull. The ship makes more sense, tactically, if the turrets are heavy mega phaser rather than sensor pods.
4:30 - I have NEVER been able to confirm if the NEW USS Bozeman was a Sovereign class. The prior name for the ship was USS Roderick in the novel Ship of the Line, which could be a name for a smaller ship type, like an astronaut's name? Also, memory beta being what it is, it does not always distinguish canon hierarchies, such as ships in Armada I and II video games getting random names for assorted ship types. I DO know that in later novels, Bateson DOES have command of the Sovereign-class USS Atlas, though.
In the episode Cause and Effect, you never see the Bozeman suffer anything apart from scratched paint, while the Enterprise goes up like a firework. In my head, the claims of "Oh yes the Bozeman blew up too" are just to save face. So if you are facing the Borg, why not use a ship that could ram your flagship, blow it into fist sized chunks and suffer nothing that couldn't be polished out?
Funny you mentioned the Oberth as one was seen firing a rather large looking phaser beam at the Cube. It was roughly in the same part of the screen as where the YT-1300 was spotted ( not kidding, the vfx people thought it would be a funny Easter Egg to have a YT-1300 zipping by in the background)
I think the Bozeman mentioned in first contact is a new ship with the same name. Bozeman is mentioned in Generations too, it almost feels like Batesman and the Bozeman was supposed to be it's own spinoff. I feel like they would be just as legendary as many other ships and crews
Hope we see a video on the many Saratogas and how all of them ended up being treated as absolute garbage by the universe. Seriously, never ever serve on a ship named Saratoga in Star Fleet. It won't end well.
What happened to Saratogas? The only Saratoga of which I'm aware was in ST4:The Voyage Home (I think - maybe it was ST:The Motion Picture) where the alien probe deactivated it dead in space but I don't know of any other references in all of Star Trek.
XiahouDun1225 Yeah, the Miranda class is tough. Considering her mission she has to be. She's a science ship. Sure she has weapons, she has to be able to defend herself, but running away in a Miranda is no dishonor. It's actually preferred because Starfleet needs the scientific data she's collected and can't get it if she's blown to pieces. So yeah, she's built to take a real beating so she can survive until she gets out of weapons range of the enemy.
You do realize in TNG they are still using excelsior class ships, yes? They even were older models when they exposed the real power behind the Klingon civil war. Also, when your protecting the capital, you are going to use everything you have. Anyway, Bozeman might just be a name was reused. Or even, that was just an easter egg.
@Mike DeMarco fairly safe to say a 2290s excelsior isn't exactly the same ship as a 2330s model despite how much alike they look on the outside. If they used letters like US military aircraft today they are probably around J model of excelsior by tng era.
First Contact isn't the only time the Bozeman is mentioned. In Generations Data mentions the Bozeman in Stellar Cartography. It's possible that the Soyuze Class Bozeman was decommisioned and a new ship was commisioned as the Bozeman-A.
If we go by 'Ship of the Line,' the original Bozeman was promptly decomissioned for being an old clunker. That being said, it was actually 'NCC-1941-A' that engaged the Borg, a Saber class that was diverted for the purpose after the Bozeman's crew got together and prevented the Enterprise-E from being hijacked by their old rival klingon crew (who had gotten effectively demoted for losing the Bozeman during the fateful engagement that got it trapped in a time loop, and sent out on a long-term cryo-supported survey mission) and saved Cardassia (which was going to get leveled from orbit by the Ent-E). So, they were all back together and flying a much better ship... doing exactly what they had been doing.
sending the Bozeman was a strategy, if the borg assimilated the Bozeman they wouldn't have up to date tech, so in the first wave of attacks against the cube, they'd send older classes and then hit them with the big guns in the 3rd of 4th waves x
The USS Bozeman was made back in the 23rd century. When Star fleet still made warships. even if it was old. It would have been better in combat than the some of the 24th century.
Loving the Legacy series. As for why she was fighting agains the Borg at Sector 001, well there's a couple of options 1. New ship, same name 2. Since the frame was still fairly new, she could have been given an upgrade similar to the Mirandas still in service Plus she's a border patrol ship with an extensive sensor suite and, at the time, the Cardassian border needed some patrol ships and the Cardassian Union didn't exactly have high tech ships. Chakotay's Raider was only about 60 meters long and used 60 year old impulse engines and had interfaces that first saw service in the 2290s. And she was still able to tank hits from a Galor class's main guns, so the hundred year old ~240 long starship should have no problems. Then it was just a matter of her being in range like the Oberths that were fighting at Sector 001 and survived.
The reason the Bozeman would have been there is cause the Battle for Sector 001 was fought over many different lines of defense. The older ships were put up first to kind of slow it down. They only ship to fight at every line was the USS Defiant.
My attitude with the battle of 001 is, any ship that is available, up to date or not, was sent to defend earth. Due to how important it is any ships will do
I just assumed that the Bozeman of sector 001 was a different ship. It's not like Starfleet doesn't reuse names, and it had been missing in action for 90 years. There may well have been a couple of ships called USS Bozeman in the intervening years.
Oh come on...Being that the Soyuz class is basically a Miranda class do you really think Starfleet would send it out without a huge magazine of quantum torpedoes loaded into a pod mounted on a roll bar?
On those 'Bozeman' references heard in Generations and First Contact. There is another option, that a different ship was named 'Bozeman' in honor of the first contact event and the missing Bozeman, mysteriously lost without a trace. As real navy's don't name a new ship the same name as an existing ship (That is why no new ship has been named USS Constitution) there wouldn't be a new ship named Bozeman, if the older one still existed, or was turned into a museum. However, you COULD have two Bozeman's if a newer ship was named Bozeman, before the older one returned through the time loop. The older one could be turned into that museum, while the newer one still served in the fleet.
actually the bozman was upgraded specifically for the borg threat hence why it was at that fight, she was used as a test bed for emerging tech. This tidbit comes from the epic card game in late 90's for the first contact set.
So, just wonder how being thrown forward in time works out for such issues as "time in service" and "time in grade", which into today's military, both impact your promotions, and seniority. I mean in the blink of an eye, the Captain of the Bozeman just became the most senior ranking captain in star fleet. And what about back pay? I mean technically, you have been on duty for 80 years
When Spacedock declares a Red Alert and some nameless Admiral starts yelling "Launch Everything!" no one questions the year a ship actually is.
"But sir! That's the Titanic!! It's from the 20th century and totally not spaceready!"...."I don't care...launch it! The Borg won't know what they have coming!!" lol
"Bridge, how can you have a red alert in spacedock?"
@@cherokee43v6 by the push of a button, according to Lower Decks S3E1
@@StartledOctopus Sorry... forgot to attribute my quote above. -Captain Styles. USS EXCELSIOR NX-2000
Well like I said in my own comment these Miranda types as well as the Excelsiors we’re all undateable.
I imagine the original Bozeman wound up a museum ship considering it's relatively new condition and being the last of it's kind.
That would be cool, I mean holodecks are nice and all but touring the real thing is way better.
The novel Ship of the Line does have a USS Roderick being renamed as a new USS Bozeman prior to the First Contact and the Borg battle... (although there is no real proof what class it is, and it's even implied to have a smallish crew)
That's exactly what happens in ship of the line. It's turned into a museum
@@markus2004 Nice =3
In the Simon & Schuster Novel; "Ship of the Line", that's exactly what happened. She was carrying artifacts from the Titanic around on a Federation-wide tour.
Batesman has a long family tradition of military service. His great, great, great, great grandfather was commander of the WW2 USS Stingray for naval war games. Captain Thomas Dodge, being massively outnumbered and outgunned, was able to win the war games using science and cunning. He did so well he was granted the command of the next highly advanced, for its time, Seawolf class nuclear submarine.
"Shut up, Stepanak."
Love it.
Did he ever manage to perfect the methane filter in the subs air conditioner?
it was also referenced in the previous TNG film, Generations
The Starship Bozeman was forced to make a course correction. ...Ambient magnetic fields ~Data
Correct
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 I was just going to say that but I was playing Dungeons and Dragons at the time.
@@shadowqueen1701 Same.
True
Beat me to it. :)
Ensign on the Bozeman at the battle of sector 001: Sir! We're about to face a borg cube! What do we do?!
Captain Bateson: Well son. Ever heard of the USS Johnston?
In the Battle of Samar. ruclips.net/video/4AdcvDiA3lE/видео.html
You got that right. "Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead." The Bozeman would have been overhauled to modern specs more and better phasers. Photon and quantum torpedoes. It was probably in top fighting shape in the battle of sector 001.
Hell yes!!! The Johnston!
Use up ALL the ammo! 🤣
The mighty wreak of the uss Johnson somehow ends up in space and the ghost of commander Evans is guiding her on a warpath towards Victory.
Battle of 001, anything that could run, was thrown in, that was the "shit hit the fan emergency drag out the museum ships for use if they fly!"
I saw at least one Miranda class ship attacking the Cube, so the Soyuz class Bozeman really isn’t a stretch. It was probably brought up to the current Miranda standard. It might have had a few more features and capabilities though over contemporary Mirandas given its larger size. I’m sure it saw a lot of service and I think was also mentioned in Star Trek: Nemesis. After that point it was probably decommissioned and placed in a museum.
The novel Ship of the Line implies it may have been a new USS Bozeman, once named USS Roderick (Saber-class?)
It makes as much sense as all those Miranda class ships used during the Dominion War.
Same thing with the battle of the line in babylon5.
Wasnt enough time to reactivate old starship they only had a few days notice, truth is it was two different starship with the same name
I'd recommend reading the book " Ship of the Line" by Diane Carey. It starts in the past with the Bozeman before the contact with the Enterprise D. Then goes on with the maiden voyage of the E with Bateson in command. And Scotty is aboard as well serving with Geordi and chief and assistant engineers.
Also you have a Klingon with a long standing feud with Bateson as the story's antagonist.
The ship that fought against the Borg was the Bozeman -A or 2. A brand new ship since the original was a museum ship.
Celery is important; it has excellent restorative properties, I remember a certain doctor saying once...
Turns purple in the presence of certain poisonous gasses and is also a healthy snack.
Thank you Mr. Broccoli........Barclay.
Fantastic.
Mention of celery just makes me think of flying helmets and egg whisks...!! 🤪
The Bozeman was mentioned in Star Trek Generations and in at least one other TNG episode other than "Cause & Effect". I assume the Bozeman was massively refitted after arriving in the 24th Century. (It is not that hard to believe since there were Miranda Class vessels still in service) Of course, there might have been another Bozeman already in service when the old Bozeman was freed from the time loop.
I remember the first version of the old Collectable card game, its First contact expansion had the Bozeman with the flavor text that it had been heavily upgraded.
Always thought it was a neat card.
Still though, it's not a battleship in any way, shape, or form.
It's basically the Russian method. If something is coming to your home and it is classed as THE last stand, you throw everything and I mean EVERYTHING at it. Be it young, old, falling to bits, even if it slows the enemy because if you dont try you are dead anyway. You fire till your ammo is out, your ammo is gone throw the weapon at them! Never give up, never surrender. Perhaps today is a good day to die! Ramming speed!
...Time's up.
That was one of my favorite episodes, with the "repeated event but with small changes" and time travel aspects.
just waiting for a B-52 to show up in active service somewhere
I’m sure Starfleet found some use for them. I’m sure the old Pratt’s got replaced though with impulse engines and warp nacelles. 😉
Sulu said in Star Trek 4 that he flew a Huey in the academy, so...
They don't get old. They just get more classic :D
If it's in service it's probably planetside or "ride this auenthic human 20th century fightercraft"
perfect example of a reliable platform, that is modified with new weapons
I've actually read the 'Ship Of The Line' book myself and the crew of the Bozeman was actually given an Akira class starship at the end of the book that they renamed the Bozeman II, before being assigned to the Sol System Defensive Force, and it was that Bozeman that fought at the Battle of Sector 001.
Reusing a refitted old ship isn't unheard of.
Even old combat aircraft are often retrofit .
Case in point, the Australian airforce flew forty year old F-111s , but they were fitted with state of the art avionics.
To quote a combat pilot, "They are old, they are temperamental, and they are very good at killing anyone dumb enough to underestimate them."
The Paraguay Army finally retired the last three M4 Shermans known to still be in service in 2018. If you try, and are cheap, you can keep things running for a long time.
@@jkeelsnc I concur, there are still nearly 30 C-47/DC-3 's in operation throughout the world in active military capacity.
They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Perhaps that is because the old tricks still work wonders.
Warthogs are excellent examples. The A-10s have been in service since the 70s and God willing so much longer still. Hogs are absolute beasts, ground-pounders love them, and the enemy becomes Swiss cheese because of them. Brrrrrrrrt
I loved the f-111's. I had a model of one in my room as a kid next to a f14, p38 lightening, b1 bomber and a f4u corsair
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Well it is not un-heard of re-commissioning older ships
During the Iraqi war Canada wanted to send a ship to participate, but the US's rules held that every ship must be capable of self-defence against aircraft, and the ship Canada was sending had no deck armanents. To fix the problem, they raided a Maritime war museum and borrowed a Bofors anti-aircraft gun from the Second World War, which they bolted to the deck of the ship. Bam, problem solved.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Cool eh?
@@NoJusticeNoPeace do you happen to know the name or class of the ship? I'd like to read more about it.
I just looked it up. It was the HMCS Protecteur, it happened in August 1990, and the guns had originally come from a ship decommissioned more than 20 years earlier (HMCS Bonaventure), which had used them during the Second World War.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace thanks definitely a cool move from the Canadian Royal Navy on that one
A captain Bateson series with Kelsey Grammar would be a godsend for Trek
Anything would be better than the travesty of the new "In Name Only" Trek.
Seriously how could they think STD and Picard would be good ideas.
They could so easily have retooled the plot of Star Trek Online as a TV series. Most of the design work has already been done by Cryptic.
I was thinking the same thing. Mainly the story would be about a crew out of time adjusting to a new time period. Bring the cowboy era of the original series to the TNG time line. Maybe have the crew of the Bozeman clash with the ideals of the TNG federation time.
DMSProduktions stupid autocorrect. I fixed this. Thanks.
@@Jch79 Haha LOL! I thought as much! TURN the bloody thing off! ;o)
Especially if done as Captain Dodge from Down Periscope!
The USS Bozeman also appeared at the end of Star Trek: Generations as part of a group of Starfleet vehicles picking up the survivors of the Enterprise-D after its' primary-hull crash-landed on a planet.
Just a thought: just because the Bozeman was at the Battle of Sector 001 doesn’t mean it was at the front lines. In my head, the ship served as a rescue-and-recovery ship, beaming away survivors and towing crippled ships away from the battle before going back in. Setting that aside, I love the idea of Starfleet keeping the Bozeman as a museum ship at Starbase 12 for a while until the ship is rushed back into service as the Dominion threat begins to ramp up. Starfleet refit the Bozeman was state-of-the-art technology and recommission her (requiring the renaming of the Bozeman-A, I suppose?). After all, the Bozeman’s spaceframe is only twenty years old at that point.
The Bozeman fights the good fight, kicking some Jem’hadar arse for good measure. After the war, the Bozeman is once again decommissioned and returns to Starbase 12 as a museum ship.
The Hippy Griff My headcanon is that the Bozeman, being a science ship, used its excellent sensors to monitor the cube’s course.
Rick, I see you play Star Trek: Timelines too...
Oh, yeah Captain Bateson would debate fine wines with his brother Nile....er...Captain Picard.
sherries
@@samusblue Make it so...
Captain Niles.
You should read SHIP OF THE LINE....or, even better, get the audiobook. It's a great story.
Bateson also appears in Season 3 of Lower Decks too.
I enjoyed this. Please make more. The little rants were great!
I want to hear the uncut rant that led to the celery I think that might make a fun bonus video
The Fifth Doctor claimed to be allergic to certain gases in the Praxis range of the spectrum. Celery, he said, would turn purple in the presence of such gases. In that case, he would eat the celery; if nothing else, he said, at least it would be good for his teeth.
tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Celery
@@matthewwaterhouse9925 Ah. Classic Dr.Who before the BBC went full woke retard and ruined it.
Fun fact: in STO, the fleet T6 advanced light cruiser's(Bozeman) cannon and turret firing points are the "sensor pods". Btw, Saratoga body style's X-wing like "sensors" are cannon firing points as well.
I don't have many Star Trek books except for the James Blish ones, and the Star Trek IV novelization which I HIGHLY recommend as it explains so many details left out of the film. An example is that when Kirk and Spock need "exact change" to ride the bus, they go to a shop to break a bill. The cashier says that they have to buy something to get change, so they buy a few chocolate peppermint patties which they both eat. It turns out that chocolate makes Vulcans "drunk" which is why he blatantly jumped into the whale tank and then uses profanity!
This was already covered before. The Bozeman was given a refit, given that the class of ship itself was still in service.
And many ships of that size were in the first blockade. Starfleet used smaller, less powerful ships mostly in the first waves, saving the larger ones for a bigger punch as they got closer to earth.
Given sisko call the class DDs in favors the bold of course DDs are the among the first ships the enemy get his back side bust by first next light cruiser ,heavy cruiser lastly by BBs . Fleet strategy one o one
With the battle of sector 001, Starfleet command mobilized every available ship to help fight the cube. It didn't matter the age. And it was Admiral Hayes that made the call.
Admiral Hayes was a fucking moron. The Bozeman would have contributed more in aiding evacutations rather than flinging its hull against a cube.
I get what you're saying, but the Bozeman had been turned into a Museum ship at this time. It would have taken too much time to get it back into fighting condition.
Hudson Ball it didn’t have to be in fighting condition it just had to be able to shoot a phaser or two
@@Unknown-gn8gn You don't know what it takes to bring a ship out of museum status do you? At least in ST, the warp-core is removed, and so are all the phasers and photon torpedoes.
@@hudsonball4702 So the fast solution is to reinstall the torpedoes and phasers and fuck the warp drive - the battle is here at home - why does it need to go warp speed? lol The Space shuttle Discovery from the 20th'21st century United States space programs could have reached the Borg cube where it was - Sure it would have been blown to smithereens but a museum ship could have been battle ready in a few hours probably I'd think - especially w/ Scotty or B'helana Torres in Engineering haha - even the engineer from ST:Enterprise (I think his name was Tripp or Tucker or something) could have done it in a few hours even with technology he had yet to ever see. Then again Scotty was in retirement on that planet (or still on the Shuttle Enterprise D gave him) and B'helana Torres was either on the Marquis ship or in the Delta Quadrant still at the time of the battle of 001 so they had to use whatever available engineers they had - still shouldn't take long to reinstall the phasers and photon torpedoes. Then again in a few hours there may not be even naval vessels left of the federation so perhaps that's not wise lol
They may have had the Bozeman assist with the Borg cube specifically because it's so old. The Borg may not have had any adaptation to the older tech, like throwing a spear through a force field that blocks all energy based weapons but not projectile attacks. I mean it would probably get blown out of space but still...
Similar to how Picard used real bullets on the holodeck with the safety protocols deactivated in ST:First Contact as it would have gone through their personal shields as if they didn't even have them up at all.
Reminds me of stargate sg1 with the replicators. The replicators kept adapting to all the asgard energy weapons, so the asgard enlisted sg1 because regular old bullets were too old and foreign for the replicatlrs to adapt to.
I like the Soyuz Class.
A bulky and stable looking warship, with four large mounted gun turrets.
Far more industrial looking than most Starfleet ships, even the ones from the 2200's.
Admiral Hansen said they were "even considering contacting the Romulans" for help. They needed every ship they could get.
That was before the Bozman came from the past.
Not the same battle. The one the Bozeman took part in was featured in the movie Star Trek First Contact.
Conflating Wolf 359 with the Battle of Sector 001. The former happened in the TNG two parter "The Best of Both Worlds" and the latter occurred during the opening scenes of the "First Contact" movie.
One of my favourite episodes cause and effect!
The Bozeman that fought at the battle at sector 001 was a newer starship, which like the Enterprise, continue with its legendary name. It had an A after its number (NCC 1941-A). The original Bozeman is now a museum
Ship of the Line is definitely worth a read. Great book. You'll come back and update this video after you read it.
Read the novel, it's a good read. Before the Bozeman ended up in TNG she was playing cat and mouse with a Klingon ship that was trying to sneak up on and take out a starbase. The Bozeman was turned into a museum ship and docked at the starbase she and her crew saved after arriving in the 24thy century. At the end of the novel, Captian Bateson was given command of a New Akira Class that was given the name Bozeman.
I never learned what the class was. Some sources say Sovereign-class, but that seems vaguely supported at best. If Roderick, the original name of the ship before renaming, was an astronaut or similar, then I guess it could be Sabre class?
It's an awesome story!
I personally have a soft spot for the Soyuz Class design. Don't know why, but I've always had an appreciation for obscure starship designs that deserve far more love and attention (the New Orleans Class included). And the U.S.S. Bozeman is definitely no exception here, as it's definitely a personal favourite of mine. :) As for the Battle of Sector 001? Well, I'd like to imagine that the Bozeman was upgraded for better combatting the Borg. ^.^
“It makes me smile and is now a part of my permanent head canon.” Mine Too Rick. Also that he’s a distant descended of Tom Dodge from Up Periscope XD
I didn't know that Scotty had been involved in the development of the Sovereign Class. That's awesome!
Either Starfleet decommisioned the Bozeman and replaced her somewhere before the battle of Sector 001 with a newer vessel , possibly from one of the newer classes (Akira, Steamrunner, etc.....) , or she was put to service as an academy training vessel ( like the Excelsior class Farragut ) and was drafted into the fleet in order for it to encompass as many ships as possible.
Or Saber, yes. The book Ship of the Line says it was called USS Roderick, and then renamed.
I have NOT found reliable sources for saying it was a Sovereign-class.
Great video, and the "Dr. Who" wink!👍 Its namesake, Bozeman, Montana was also mentioned in the episode "A Fistful of Datas".
I like to believe - and found a good reason for it - that it makes sense to reuse even century-old ships:
Space is a damn hostile environment. It hasn't got any oxygen. It doesn't even have pressure, complicating things further beyond the lack of oxygen. It has hard radiation everywhere which will cause severe damage to your body and to electronic equipment over time. It has no gravity, which is bad for lifeforms that don't have a form of recoil propulsion.
A space ship's basic frame (in Trek) combats all of those. It is an enclosure, keeping any atmosphere providing pressure and oxygen inside. It gives you radiation shielding due to the thickness of the outer layer. And the all-mysterious Trek 'gravity plating' is probably a fundamental design part in the basic frame of the ship as well.
Making sure that such a frame is durable against wear and tear, expected pressure due to acceleration and unexpected pressure due to phenomena or weapon's fire, makes the effort that goes into it quite significant. I can imagine that the basic frame of a space vessel constitutes the majority of the costs of its production. So it makes sense to re-use older ships, as checking the hull for fractures and damages is probably a lot more cost-efficient than to re-build it from scratch. Especially because they are built to be durable given unexpected stresses and pressures the hull has to be able to endure, making a space ship's hull even more long-lasting.
The Bozeman was mentioned in the Stellar Cartography scene in Generations. That it had to alter course due to the changes the nexus made.
Way to go, another Captain Morgan!
Rum do?
I remember seeing the episode with the Bozeman going through the time rift as a kid but I never knew exactly what happened to it. I remember it being mentioned in Generations but didn’t realize it was in First Contact. I had never realized that they were never sent back. Imagine being plunged 90 years into the future with no way back and everyone you knew and loved were all gone never to be seen again.
I suppose it’s definitely possible the ship had some major upgrades. The excelsior class was around over 100 years and I remember when the Lakota got into a battle with the Defiant that Miles O’Brien mentioned the extraordinary amount of firepower for an excelsior class ship.
@@fritsfelix8423 Even when in the TOS era they were capable to "easily" doing time travel with the slingshot maneover in an old Bird of Prey.. i imagine the Bozeman could do it even easier.. but maybe they were not allowed because in the timeline the Bozeman officially dissapeared 80 years before.. going back would create a new one where it didnt dissapeared.. you know time travel is a constant mess and joke in ST
I have an old cassette-based audio book copy of 'Ship of the Line'...pretty good book, actually!
i always assumed it was used as a museum ship, that would explain it being in earth orbit at the time of the attack.
in first contact when the defiant and bozeman were told to fall back the voice that says "acknowledged" actually sounds like kelsey grammer.
Regarding the Soyuz-class Bozeman at Sector 001: shoving some new-model quantum torpedoes into the launchers would at least allow the old boat to get some hits in.
She might have been in Sol getting refitted, or even decommissioned outright, which would explain her presence. A Borg cube really is an "all hands on deck" situation, obsolete design or no, and Admiral Hayes probably figured it was better to have the NCC-1941 present than not, if it was in the area anyway.
Then again, Hayes' judgment is kinda suspect. He did try to keep Picard and the Enterprise-E (one of the most effective ships Starfleet had) out of the fight.
The Bozeman went under refit... Battle of 001 was NCC-1941A... What we want to know is: What happened to Capt. Bateson? Was it still his ship? There's the reboot series, spin off another series after 3-4 seasons, and spin off movies start...The USS Bozeman NCC-1941, from drydock, to final decommission... We get a series that crosses all series, with a ship that is already cannon in everything... As told by Retired Admiral Morgan Bateson... Grammar Productions, where are you? LoL
Thanks for another wonderful ship legacy video sir..
It's also mentioned in Generations as well in the Stellar Cartography scene I think?
I’m just discovering this playlist and I’m missing the Defiant episode which is surely there??? 100% super eventful ship.
of all the miranda variants this is my favorite. favorite in fact all 3 t6 mirandas i have in STO have the saucer section with the hangar bays and antennas
Bozeman was also mentioned in Generations when it had to make a course correction
In Generations the Bozeman was forced to make a course correction due to the nexus
Linkara ate all the celery. Also, they sent Oberths to Wolf. Why would you think they'd even bat an eye at sending a Soyuz?
If the debris field is anything to go by, they also sent a Constitution.
Hearing about old ships from you is rather amusing. Remind me how long original U.S.S. ARMIGER was in use before you have to change it?
When you go to war, you do so with the army that you have, not the one you want.
Hey buddy don't forget the Excelsior and Miranda Classes had been around for nearly a hundred years as well and that the Soyuz Class Starships were a variant of the Miranda Class with a few differences here and there in the design.
The Bozeman is mentioned in the First Contact in the Line with the Defiant but not shown in the fight (you have a Maranda in the screen at 0:49)
Great video as always keep up the good work
0:50. The Bozeman at the battle of the Borg incursion was either a diffeent USS Bozeman. Such as the Bozeman B, or C,
Or. The ship could have been, most definetly would have been, extensivly upgraded.
That was a really great video i enjoyed it very much
Cpt. Fraser Crane, I mean Cpt. Bulldog Bateson was one of the better guest actors in Star Trek actually conveying a sense of authority instead of just taking the script writers word for it.
I love this episode of the Bozeman. I wrote a screenplay concept for Kelsey Grammar to be a singing starship captain. Recall his singing skills as sideshow Bob? Imagine a comedic startrek spinoff for KG?
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The answer, from Memory Alpha:
"Bateson was the lead character of the Star Trek novel Ship of the Line, the story of which tells of the incident that trapped the Bozeman in the temporal causality loop and the problems of Bateson and the Bozeman crew trying to adjust to life in the 24th century. The novel establishes that the Bozeman was retired and made into a museum ship at Starbase 12 in 2371, and that Bateson and his crew were briefly assigned to the new USS Enterprise-E for her shakedown cruise the following year. Following the shakedown, Bateson and his crew were reassigned to a new USS Bozeman (NCC-1941-A), which is the ship that participates in the Battle of Sector 001 in Star Trek: First Contact."
Considering a Oberth class took on the Borg this older/newish Miranda class might stand a chance for a few seconds longer. Maybe the Borg didn't see these ships as threats.
Great series, please keep making these!
It's also listed amongst the ships listed on the screen right before the Scimitar attacks the Enterprise. Not sure why it would be such a surprise to so many commenters if it is still in service. They might have retired the class 80 years earlier, but Starfleet just found itself a fully-functional ship and crew for free, so to speak. Why not simply upgrade what needs to be in it? The Excelsior and Miranda classes are still in use.
Great run-down of the USS Bozeman. Didn't the Bozeman make a course correction in 'Star Trek Generations' (1994) as noted by Data and Picard in Stellar Cartography? 🙂
The Soyuz class was a heavily upgunned version on the Miranda. It had 4 Heavy Phaser Cannons and extra sensors. It was very slow compared to the fleet as it was built for Colony Defense.
Given how the Battle of Sector 001 was essentially Wolf-359 Pt. 2, Starfleet threw everything and the kitchen sink at that cube, cause they'd learned (somewhat) from their previous encounter with the Borg.
And if you're going to complain about the Bozeman being sent in, you should also complain about any of the Miranda-class ships being sent, as they're ALSO ships that are a century old in terms of design.
I could see the vast sensor and communications array playing a big part in coordinating the defense.
If the Bozeman was in time cycle ... this mean it hasn't aged a minute
In Jackill's Starships books, those "Sensor Pods" are actually heavy mega phaser turrets as the Soyuz class was originally an attempt to fit star base level phaser firepower into a frigate sized hull.
The ship makes more sense, tactically, if the turrets are heavy mega phaser rather than sensor pods.
4:30 - I have NEVER been able to confirm if the NEW USS Bozeman was a Sovereign class. The prior name for the ship was USS Roderick in the novel Ship of the Line, which could be a name for a smaller ship type, like an astronaut's name? Also, memory beta being what it is, it does not always distinguish canon hierarchies, such as ships in Armada I and II video games getting random names for assorted ship types.
I DO know that in later novels, Bateson DOES have command of the Sovereign-class USS Atlas, though.
In the episode Cause and Effect, you never see the Bozeman suffer anything apart from scratched paint, while the Enterprise goes up like a firework. In my head, the claims of "Oh yes the Bozeman blew up too" are just to save face.
So if you are facing the Borg, why not use a ship that could ram your flagship, blow it into fist sized chunks and suffer nothing that couldn't be polished out?
Funny you mentioned the Oberth as one was seen firing a rather large looking phaser beam at the Cube. It was roughly in the same part of the screen as where the YT-1300 was spotted ( not kidding, the vfx people thought it would be a funny Easter Egg to have a YT-1300 zipping by in the background)
I think the Bozeman mentioned in first contact is a new ship with the same name. Bozeman is mentioned in Generations too, it almost feels like Batesman and the Bozeman was supposed to be it's own spinoff. I feel like they would be just as legendary as many other ships and crews
Hope we see a video on the many Saratogas and how all of them ended up being treated as absolute garbage by the universe. Seriously, never ever serve on a ship named Saratoga in Star Fleet. It won't end well.
What happened to Saratogas? The only Saratoga of which I'm aware was in ST4:The Voyage Home (I think - maybe it was ST:The Motion Picture) where the alien probe deactivated it dead in space but I don't know of any other references in all of Star Trek.
Loved that episode!
I don't care what anyone says, the Miranda Class is built tough as nails.
XiahouDun1225 Yeah, the Miranda class is tough. Considering her mission she has to be. She's a science ship. Sure she has weapons, she has to be able to defend herself, but running away in a Miranda is no dishonor. It's actually preferred because Starfleet needs the scientific data she's collected and can't get it if she's blown to pieces. So yeah, she's built to take a real beating so she can survive until she gets out of weapons range of the enemy.
Of course it is in Kirks time it was classified as a light cruiser . In sisko time it was reclassified as a DD. In favors the bold sisko call them DDs
You do realize in TNG they are still using excelsior class ships, yes? They even were older models when they exposed the real power behind the Klingon civil war. Also, when your protecting the capital, you are going to use everything you have. Anyway, Bozeman might just be a name was reused. Or even, that was just an easter egg.
@Mike DeMarco fairly safe to say a 2290s excelsior isn't exactly the same ship as a 2330s model despite how much alike they look on the outside. If they used letters like US military aircraft today they are probably around J model of excelsior by tng era.
Excelsior Class ships were seen a lot more in DS9. One even went toe to toe with a more modern combat ship, and held her own.
They were still building Excelsior class ships when Voyager completed her construction above Mars.
Or refitting them?
I laughed way to hard at that whole intermission bit. 😂
So did I...lol
Stolen from Monty Python and now a short intermission followed by a very long intermission.
Ship of the Line is a great read I would recommend it highly !
I have the book and the audio novel. Well worth the money. The audio book was voiced by the actor who played Kahless
First Contact isn't the only time the Bozeman is mentioned. In Generations Data mentions the Bozeman in Stellar Cartography.
It's possible that the Soyuze Class Bozeman was decommisioned and a new ship was commisioned as the Bozeman-A.
If we go by 'Ship of the Line,' the original Bozeman was promptly decomissioned for being an old clunker. That being said, it was actually 'NCC-1941-A' that engaged the Borg, a Saber class that was diverted for the purpose after the Bozeman's crew got together and prevented the Enterprise-E from being hijacked by their old rival klingon crew (who had gotten effectively demoted for losing the Bozeman during the fateful engagement that got it trapped in a time loop, and sent out on a long-term cryo-supported survey mission) and saved Cardassia (which was going to get leveled from orbit by the Ent-E). So, they were all back together and flying a much better ship... doing exactly what they had been doing.
sending the Bozeman was a strategy, if the borg assimilated the Bozeman they wouldn't have up to date tech, so in the first wave of attacks against the cube, they'd send older classes and then hit them with the big guns in the 3rd of 4th waves x
The USS Bozeman was made back in the 23rd century. When Star fleet still made warships. even if it was old. It would have been better in combat than the some of the 24th century.
Loving the Legacy series.
As for why she was fighting agains the Borg at Sector 001, well there's a couple of options
1. New ship, same name
2. Since the frame was still fairly new, she could have been given an upgrade similar to the Mirandas still in service
Plus she's a border patrol ship with an extensive sensor suite and, at the time, the Cardassian border needed some patrol ships and the Cardassian Union didn't exactly have high tech ships. Chakotay's Raider was only about 60 meters long and used 60 year old impulse engines and had interfaces that first saw service in the 2290s.
And she was still able to tank hits from a Galor class's main guns, so the hundred year old ~240 long starship should have no problems.
Then it was just a matter of her being in range like the Oberths that were fighting at Sector 001 and survived.
The reason the Bozeman would have been there is cause the Battle for Sector 001 was fought over many different lines of defense. The older ships were put up first to kind of slow it down. They only ship to fight at every line was the USS Defiant.
Mirandas and Excelsiors were both used in the Dominion War.
Thought: Couldn't the Bozeman have been serving as a rescue vessel during the Battle of Sector 001?
My attitude with the battle of 001 is, any ship that is available, up to date or not, was sent to defend earth. Due to how important it is any ships will do
Loving your videos! Keep up the amazing work!!
I just assumed that the Bozeman of sector 001 was a different ship. It's not like Starfleet doesn't reuse names, and it had been missing in action for 90 years. There may well have been a couple of ships called USS Bozeman in the intervening years.
Oh come on...Being that the Soyuz class is basically a Miranda class do you really think Starfleet would send it out without a huge magazine of quantum torpedoes loaded into a pod mounted on a roll bar?
On those 'Bozeman' references heard in Generations and First Contact. There is another option, that a different ship was named 'Bozeman' in honor of the first contact event and the missing Bozeman, mysteriously lost without a trace. As real navy's don't name a new ship the same name as an existing ship (That is why no new ship has been named USS Constitution) there wouldn't be a new ship named Bozeman, if the older one still existed, or was turned into a museum.
However, you COULD have two Bozeman's if a newer ship was named Bozeman, before the older one returned through the time loop. The older one could be turned into that museum, while the newer one still served in the fleet.
actually the bozman was upgraded specifically for the borg threat hence why it was at that fight, she was used as a test bed for emerging tech. This tidbit comes from the epic card game in late 90's for the first contact set.
So, just wonder how being thrown forward in time works out for such issues as "time in service" and "time in grade", which into today's military, both impact your promotions, and seniority. I mean in the blink of an eye, the Captain of the Bozeman just became the most senior ranking captain in star fleet. And what about back pay? I mean technically, you have been on duty for 80 years
Thanks for mentioning "ship of the line" I sometimes think no one reads novels anymore. You should read it!