@paquitos hammer kinda funny the reason the hood was so under classed was due to a navel treaty between the UK, America, France and Japan and Japan didn't keep to it :/
One really amusing thing about the Excelsior-class USS Hood: in some non-canon games, particularly the first two "Starfleet Command" games, Excelsior-class ships are described as battlecruisers - just like the WW2-era HMS Hood. I myself own a "Polly Pocket"-style toy of the Hood from the 1990s "Innerspace" toy line, a super-deformed depiction of the Hood that opens up to reveal her bridge.
The story of the Excelsior Class - USS Potemkin needs to be told. That ship appeared along side hero ships so often and still managed to survive up to the Dominion war and beyond.
The Excelsior class was the workhorse of Starfleet for over a century. They were so well suited for a post-Khitomer Federation. Same with the Miranda which was the quintessential Starfleet science ship even into the Dominion War.
Iirc the USS Lakota was the only refit Excelsior sister to the Enterprise B to ever appear in Star trek DS9 other than the EnterpriseB i mean since the DS9 producers used the EnterpriseB model with the name USS Lakota on it.
The Hood found the Bismarck and on that fatal day, The Bismarck started firing fifteen miles away, We gotta sink the Bismarck was the battle sound, But when the smoke had cleared away the mighty Hood went down.
great song that is, But lets not Forget Sabaton now " Pride of a nation a beast made of steel Bismarck in motion king of the ocean He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas To lead the warmachine To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine The terror of the seas The Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine Two thousand men, and fifty thousand tonnes of steel Set the course for the Atlantic with the allies on their heel Firepower, firefight Battlestations, keep the targets steady in sight"
There's another irony about all this if you count in Beta canon: the old 1980's FASA "Star Trek" role-playing game stipulates that the Constitution-class starship with registry NCC-1704 was named U.S.S. Bismark.
The most cursed ship name in Starfleet of course is the Saratoga. Seriously, I cannot think of an instance where a U.S.S. Saratoga was seen or mentioned that didn't have at best a really bad day and at worst a bad end.
Good thing that you point out these fine webs of consistency that permeate Star Trek. Minor characters reappearing in later shows, name drops here and there, sometimes only on LCARS displays etc. This is a subtle but great strength of Trek, one that is often forgotten. I miss it in the newer Trek installations (but must admit I cannot speak about DSC season 2 yet).
Yes, please make more of these lineage ship vids. The Excelsior is my favorite class of Starship too! Thanks for the great work you do putting these together. 🖖
I don't know where they came up with the 42 289 registration number? As there are photographs online of the excelsior model converted into the hood for the encounter at farpoint episode and it clearly shows USS Hood NCC-2541. Which goes in line when they redid the model as the USS Repulse with a registration number NCC-2544. So have no clue who decided to say it had the registration number for 42289 as it clearly did not.
In the table top game Star Fleet Battles, also know as the Star Fleet Universe or SFU, the Hood was a Federation Command Cruiser (a sub version of the Constitution class). It was made famous for the battle on the opening day Klingon invasion of the Federation during the General War, where it faced down a D7 and two D6 Battlecurisers. The scenario the Might Hood Goes down, and a later one about its return. In the offical history of the game the Hood managed to disengage, hid behind the line for over a year before returned to the federation (by which time the name had been reused on another ship). The Video game Star Fleet Command opening sequence shows a Federation Constitution class being chased by three Klingon D class ships, that is the Hood!
So that's why Memory Beta says that there were two Constitution-class ships named Hood. I was trying to piece together all the bits and pieces from different sources on that article - and I played "Starfleet Command" for years, but had no idea that was Hood in the opening. Thanks for explaining. =)
Yes, I would definitely like more of these ship legacy videos. The name USS Constellation would be a good one. Also, USS Stargazer, Defiant & Excalibur should all get their own episodes.
3:09 - the original Excelsior ships, prominent in Memory Alpha and Beta wikias, are Execlsior NX-2000. Columbia NCC-2002. Paris NCC-2008, Dallas NCC-2019, Constitution NCC-2025, and Challenger NCC-2032 (disputed) Later was the Hood, with the older model number (NCC-2541) and the Repulse, NCC-2544.
Registry numbers are not always indicative of ship class, but most if not all the Constitution Class had construction contracts numbers between 1700 and 1799, mainly because those were the only ships being constructed at the time. NCC means Naval Construction Contract. When a ship construction is ordered, it is assigned a contract number. This is the registry number. The new Excelsior was NX 2000. That meant contract number 2000 with a designation of experimental. Fortunately for The Federation and Starfleet, the experiment was a success. With the opening of the Starfleet Yards at Utopia Plenetia they had several ships in various stages of construction, not always the same class so it became impossible to determine the class of vessel from the registry number as they would use the next available contract number. Concerning the Republic and the Farragut, 1371 and 1647 respectively it is not actually clear that they were Constitution Class vessels. I suspect not because as stated above most Constitution Class ships had contract numbers in the 1700 to 1799. And there is nothing in canon that designates them as Constitution Class vessels.
The Hood was also mentioned in the Kelvin timeline. Uhuru nagged Spock to transfer her from the Hood to the Enterprise. A lucky move for her because the Kelvin's Hood was amongst the casualties from the Narada.
Perhaps the Hood as we know it in the 24th century was originally commissioned in the 2290s or so under a different name but was then mothballed/decommissioned/hulked/abandoned and then recommissioned later on, which would allow for the 4XXXX range registry number?
While my fave is the Intrepid class, I also really like the Excelsior class. It still looks very nice on screen, has been shown to be capable of pressuring a defiant class in combat if properly upgraded and i fully understand why the federation kept it as long in service as they did. It has a very robust design with no major weaknesses and seems to be easy to retrofit/upgrade. Thats important, phasing out shiptypes that play such an integral part of your fleets costs a ton of resources and time. Just look at the Miranda class, completly outdated and the few ships that survived the Dominion war also had to be phased out for the Intrepid and Nova class. With the Excelsior you just slap in a better reactor, upgrade weapons/shields and improve the sensors. Then you are done. Such a design is Worth more than all the latinum in the Alpha Quadrant.
Yes I would like the conversation with the class ship. USS Curry I believe that's what it's called. Thanks thank you very much. Looking forward to seeing you if you can make that out.
"Outmatched by later designs" , Seemed to do just fine against the defiant, a ship we have seen solo multiple hostiles of any given variety on plenty of occasions, heck the defiant once single handely made the Dominion route back to Cardassia and give up DS9 just by opening fire on the station, and yet an excelsior was able to trade shots with it pretty much pound for pound. I would say the class's biggest strength was it's ability to stay with the times of later designs.
Although it's my second favorite design after the Sovereign class, even with its upgrades if the Defiant would have cut loose, it would have taken the Lakota out pretty quickly.
You know, when I was younger, I hated the Excelsior Class design. But then I saw the Lakota in action, and I just fell in love. Gotta be doing something right, or it wouldn't be used 100 years later.
This was a really good video, would love to see more. Also, I never really caught on to the Hood being a recurring ship name, so that was nice to learn.
No other ship, not even the fabled Constitution as worth the fanfare as the mighty Excelsior is. If the Conny marked the 23rd century, the Excelsior marked the 24th! Sure, they may never have taken the spotlight, but it was these things that did all the Federation's work. And unlike so other classics that served into both centuries, these guys made a good show during the Dominion War.
Sounds like a fine idea for a series. The USS Defiant comes mind as another legacy name, as well as the USS Intrepid. The USS Excalibur too if you count beta canon.
It's also entirely possible that there was more than one Excelsior Class USS Hood. While it's not unheard of for Starfleet to change a registry number it's very unlikely that they did.
I've always been a fan of the excelsior design in general. It looks like a way more armored Constitution, and compared to the ambassador it looks like it can hold it's own in a fight. That one of these ships got named the Hood fully fits it's mythos and character perfectly. I'd be nice if perhaps a new startrek show instead of sticking the cast on the newest fanciest ship possible stuck them on something more practical like a Excelsior.
I love this new segment, I hope we see more. My only criticism is that you forgot the USS _Constellation_ as one of the first of the _Constitution_ class. As for the _Excelsior_ class _Hood_ being active at the turn of the century, the most logical explanation is that there was another _Hood_ in between the _Constitution_ and _Excelsior_ _Hood_ I’m actually working on a project to chart the commissioning dates and classes of starships in order to get a better idea of service life and come up with logical explanations for what we see on screen for the registry numbers. So far it's been going rather well and I'm noticing some patterns emerge, especially since I've limited it to only that which can be confirmed so ships with clear joke names and ones without confirmed classes are not on the list.
All shots of the _Hood_ I can find have the registry either clearly as NCC-42296 or obscured by angle and video quality. While it might have had it on the shooting model at some point, i cannot confirm that NCC-2541 was ever clearly visible on screen. And even if that were the case, it would not be the first time there was a discrepancy like that. For example, the _Tsiolkovsky_ [TNG The Naked Now] is canonically NCC-53911 but the shooting model also had NCC-640 on it because the model had previously been used as the _Copernicus_ in Star Trek IV. The _Centaur_ [DS9 A Time To Stand] doesn't even have the right _name_ on the shooting model.
That might be the case, but I'm concerned with what's visible on screen at the original broadcast quality. And while I do respect Schneider and his work, I am very much in disagreement with some of his conclusions and methods. Especially in more recent years.
He does seem to get dogmatic, occasionally. Yes, in this case, the onscreen registry should supercede the initially intended one. Although an earlier vessel of that number could well have existed.
The USS Hood may very well be the longest-serving ship in Starfleet. As well it should be, the Excelsior-class has always been one of the Federation's best all-around designs.
It says a lot that the old workhorse came to the aid of the Enterprise numerous times. Especially considering the Enterprise was of substantial technological improvement. The subtext would have been better had this ship's class been of constitution design though. More so when considering this whole franchise started with a constitution-class ship. Speaking to the reliability the constitution regardless of the advancements made in federation and Starfleet technology, also providing a subtle nod to the beginnings of this franchise.
It's actually fairly rare for the top of the line Federation cruisers to be the ones that last longer, as they're usually pushing the tench limits... It's the workhorses that *usually* survive very long term if they're upgradeable. The Excelsior class being an exception, but it basically outlived its Ambassador class successor, (Which I'd really have loved to see more of, myself.)
Or just go for the T6 Resolute-class Advanced Heavy Cruiser (or its fleet variant) and just swap around its cosmetic parts to that of Excelsior-class, like I did.
Could there have been an NX class or Intrepid type USS Hood in Archer's time? I sure would like to think so! NX is my fave but I like the Excelsior class a lot too.
It seems like the intent was for all the NX class to be named after Shuttles and other early space vehicles, and carried on Christopher Bennett in the Rise of the Federation novels. The Intrepid types rarely appear, but it is possible. In the Brad Goodman book, Federation; the First 150 years, I interpret several Romulan War ships as possibly being Intrepid types, instead (Excalibur, Defiant, Lexington...)
Another good starship that refuses to go down and pops up here and there behind the scenes is the Galaxy prototype USS Galaxy. Again another battle hardenedship that outlived others of her class. I think she fought the Klingons in the mini war they had before the war with the Dominion. Fought Dominion war took major damage at Chintaka responded to the Enterprise E's call for aid in Nemesis. The Galaxy class that won't go down and the first showing other Galaxies how its done. Being the first of her class by Nemesis she must be heavily refitted. A powerhouse of a ship i would think.
I know this video was over two years ago but can you explain that when you do these video's when a ship like the Hood gets a new ship class like when it became an Excelsior class you gave its registration number as something totally different than 1703B which is what it should be just like the Enterprise B was an Excelsior class and it kept is original number just added B, Can you explain why the Enterprise is the only one of these ships that kept its number and added letters for each class please?
Very cool. i love the idea of a "old war horse," ship. When crewmen could say with pride that their fathers, or grandfathers served on THIS ship. In this case, great grand fathers. Wonder though.. if the Hood was actually 2 Excelsior class ships. One with Two digit registry, the 2nd with five. Its often believed that the excelsior class was in production for over 50 years, as not larger ship frame was needed until the Ambassador, and upgrades are relatively easy to make in the production line. So you could actually have several types of Excelsior depending on the area. In shipbuilding this is called Flights, as in Flight 1, Flight 2, and so on. Aircraft, its called Blocks, Block 30, 40, 50 and so on. Any Alpha or Beta cannon on this idea?
dude...everyone know that the starships are as much characters as the actors...theres a reason why people cried seeing the enterprise exploded in return of spock lol
Hey, that’s cool. Always loved the Hood; the excelsior class is one of the best out there. My question is, if it’s a legacy ship, why didn’t it retain its original naval registry number of 1703 when a new ship under the same name was launched? It should be 1703-B, right?
One thing that I have wonder is even if while every starship Enterprise pre or post Federation has been important to Starfleet but wasnt't the fleets flagship until the Enterprise-D. Why other namesakes like here the Hood, or others like the Excalibur, Farragut, and other didn't get that same treatment of keeping the registry number adding a alphabet letter, when a predecessor was destroyed of decommissioned, and have some USS Hood-A, and so on?
What is the longest term one of these ships served ? Rebot the whole universe with these style ship prospective and camo the enterprise on the proper start dates
Only the Enterprises have that distinction, due to the originals fame after the Kirk led 5 year mission. All other Starfleet vessels named after previous ones just get their own regular registry.
hadn't noticed that one...maybe an oversight or possibly an intentional one...an intended stealth ship maybe? something that did not technically breach The Treaty of Algeron and prevent the use of cloaking devices on Federation starships...
I think it's a production oversight. Of course we get the Enterprise-A, but that could just be a fluke, an one-off thing. We didn't *really* get to see lineage until TNG showed us the Enterprise-D, and you could image the shock we would get if it was something like NCC-53632. So naturally, they went with the old 1701 and continued the lineage. There's not really a reason for other ships not to continue the namesake. For example the USS Lexington in the 24th century is a Nebula-class ship but its registry is NCC-30405, instead of the Constitution-class USS Lexington's NCC-1709. Another example of "lineage" might also be taken from DS9 as the USS Defiant NX-74205 shares the name of the USS Defiant NCC-1764, and the USS Sao Paulo NCC-75633 is rechristened the USS Defiant with its original registry number of the Defiant-class. In the shows at least, the Enterprise is the only ship to be able to keep its old registry number and add a letter to denote lineage. Personally I feel like it would be a good nod to have old ships have old registry numbers for those fans that paid attention.
Especially since, if you take the old FASA RPG's into account, Hood and Bismarck would have been built and launched one right after the other. Hood was NCC-1703, while the RPG gave Bismarck/Bismarck the registry NCC-1704. =P
The USS Hood was her own hero ship, and thus had equivalent plot armor to the Defiant and Enterprise. Suffice to say, she was a very enduring ship.
Superior armor as it happens. Both Defiant and Enterprise have gone down hard before.
ironic the real HMS hood blown up by the Bismark in ww2 was criticised in hindsight due to its lack of armour.
@paquitos hammer kinda funny the reason the hood was so under classed was due to a navel treaty between the UK, America, France and Japan and Japan didn't keep to it :/
The Wedge Antilles of Star Trek.
If Wedge was a ship.
He's a whole darn FLEET...
USS Antilles, a Wedge-class Starship. Or is it USS Wedge, an Antilles class Starship?
@@MrAranton I think the latter sounds better.
@@KinVao Agreed.
One really amusing thing about the Excelsior-class USS Hood: in some non-canon games, particularly the first two "Starfleet Command" games, Excelsior-class ships are described as battlecruisers - just like the WW2-era HMS Hood.
I myself own a "Polly Pocket"-style toy of the Hood from the 1990s "Innerspace" toy line, a super-deformed depiction of the Hood that opens up to reveal her bridge.
I really like this. Yeah, I'd love more about ship lineages.
So many lineages with so many stories. Great material for fan made stuff.
The USS Potemkin and the USS Defiant were both named for fictitious naval ships, also - from cinema.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Well, to be a smartass, the Defiant class Defiant was named for the Constitution class Defiant.
True, but I mean both the original Constitution-classes, here.
Yes, I would really like this.
The story of the Excelsior Class - USS Potemkin needs to be told.
That ship appeared along side hero ships so often and still managed to survive up to the Dominion war and beyond.
USS Yamato!
If I recall correctly, Kirk served for a time on the Potemkin.
The Excelsior was EVEN in the mid-late 24th century a formidable opponent, esp. with upgrades like those of the USS Lakota!
The Lakota was a sleeper! Exclesior skin, Sovereign heart.
The Excelsior class was the workhorse of Starfleet for over a century. They were so well suited for a post-Khitomer Federation. Same with the Miranda which was the quintessential Starfleet science ship even into the Dominion War.
Iirc the USS Lakota was the only refit Excelsior sister to the Enterprise B to ever appear in Star trek DS9 other than the EnterpriseB i mean since the DS9 producers used the EnterpriseB model with the name USS Lakota on it.
@@FLAME4564 but in TNG there were a Lot of excelsior class ships Shown which were upgraded via mid 24th century Tech iirc
The Hood found the Bismarck and on that fatal day,
The Bismarck started firing fifteen miles away,
We gotta sink the Bismarck was the battle sound,
But when the smoke had cleared away the mighty Hood went down.
Okay, not the only one. Glad to see someone else who's a fan of Johnny Horton.
great song that is, But lets not Forget Sabaton now
" Pride of a nation a beast made of steel
Bismarck in motion king of the ocean
He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas
To lead the warmachine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
The Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine
Two thousand men, and fifty thousand tonnes of steel
Set the course for the Atlantic with the allies on their heel
Firepower, firefight
Battlestations, keep the targets steady in sight"
There's another irony about all this if you count in Beta canon: the old 1980's FASA "Star Trek" role-playing game stipulates that the Constitution-class starship with registry NCC-1704 was named U.S.S. Bismark.
NoJusticeNoPeace 6 long days and night they tried to find her trace
Okay I'm late to the party but that's the first thing that crossed my mind
The most cursed ship name in Starfleet of course is the Saratoga. Seriously, I cannot think of an instance where a U.S.S. Saratoga was seen or mentioned that didn't have at best a really bad day and at worst a bad end.
Brian Webber Or anything that’s an Oberth. That tends to go badly
It is to make up for CV-3 not dying until Crossroads
I just discovered your channel about a week ago and cannot get enough of these ship lineages
Deep lore dives like this are always welcome!
Please do more ship lineage content!
I would like to hear about the history of the USS Farragut the first ship that Kirk served on before taking command of the Enterprise.
Circa 2254 to 2257, Captain Stephen Garrovick.
Chad MackenDeez And also the Nebula class USS Farragut that rescued the Enterprise survivors at the end of Star Trek Generations.
And was destroyed in DS9, and replaced with an old Excelsior-class ship (tentatively numbered NCC-2582)
Good thing that you point out these fine webs of consistency that permeate Star Trek. Minor characters reappearing in later shows, name drops here and there, sometimes only on LCARS displays etc. This is a subtle but great strength of Trek, one that is often forgotten. I miss it in the newer Trek installations (but must admit I cannot speak about DSC season 2 yet).
The USS Hood is still hard at work as it was recently seen aiding the USS Cerritos
Yes, please make more of these lineage ship vids. The Excelsior is my favorite class of Starship too! Thanks for the great work you do putting these together. 🖖
I don't know where they came up with the 42 289 registration number? As there are photographs online of the excelsior model converted into the hood for the encounter at farpoint episode and it clearly shows USS Hood NCC-2541. Which goes in line when they redid the model as the USS Repulse with a registration number NCC-2544. So have no clue who decided to say it had the registration number for 42289 as it clearly did not.
In the table top game Star Fleet Battles, also know as the Star Fleet Universe or SFU, the Hood was a Federation Command Cruiser (a sub version of the Constitution class). It was made famous for the battle on the opening day Klingon invasion of the Federation during the General War, where it faced down a D7 and two D6 Battlecurisers. The scenario the Might Hood Goes down, and a later one about its return. In the offical history of the game the Hood managed to disengage, hid behind the line for over a year before returned to the federation (by which time the name had been reused on another ship).
The Video game Star Fleet Command opening sequence shows a Federation Constitution class being chased by three Klingon D class ships, that is the Hood!
So that's why Memory Beta says that there were two Constitution-class ships named Hood. I was trying to piece together all the bits and pieces from different sources on that article - and I played "Starfleet Command" for years, but had no idea that was Hood in the opening. Thanks for explaining. =)
Yes, I would definitely like more of these ship legacy videos. The name USS Constellation would be a good one. Also, USS Stargazer, Defiant & Excalibur should all get their own episodes.
3:09 - the original Excelsior ships, prominent in Memory Alpha and Beta wikias, are
Execlsior NX-2000. Columbia NCC-2002. Paris NCC-2008, Dallas NCC-2019, Constitution NCC-2025, and Challenger NCC-2032 (disputed)
Later was the Hood, with the older model number (NCC-2541) and the Repulse, NCC-2544.
Registry numbers are not always indicative of ship class, but most if not all the Constitution Class had construction contracts numbers between 1700 and 1799, mainly because those were the only ships being constructed at the time. NCC means Naval Construction Contract. When a ship construction is ordered, it is assigned a contract number. This is the registry number. The new Excelsior was NX 2000. That meant contract number 2000 with a designation of experimental. Fortunately for The Federation and Starfleet, the experiment was a success. With the opening of the Starfleet Yards at Utopia Plenetia they had several ships in various stages of construction, not always the same class so it became impossible to determine the class of vessel from the registry number as they would use the next available contract number.
Concerning the Republic and the Farragut, 1371 and 1647 respectively it is not actually clear that they were Constitution Class vessels. I suspect not because as stated above most Constitution Class ships had contract numbers in the 1700 to 1799. And there is nothing in canon that designates them as Constitution Class vessels.
My favorite background ship EVER
The Hood I love it! I drew her and the Enterprise D with the Crazy Horse Excelsior Class.
Good video. I would have liked to have seen a clip showing all the mentions of the Hood throughout Star Trek. That would have been cool.
The Hood was also mentioned in the Kelvin timeline. Uhuru nagged Spock to transfer her from the Hood to the Enterprise. A lucky move for her because the Kelvin's Hood was amongst the casualties from the Narada.
Uhura was actually assigned to the Farragut in that movie.
Yes please more on ship lineage great video thanks for your knowledgeable and humble presentation.
Great vid. I'd enjoy seeing more like it.
You forgot to mention the Borg incursion under Admiral J P Hanson.
Excelsior is my favorite as well....... my model is the USS Stan Lee NX - 1922 - 2018 i love that ship
Pretty interesting video on the USS Hood.
Starfleet loved getting their money's worth out of a space frame that's for sure.
The MIGHTY HMS Hood of WWII was sunk by the Bismark in a very short battle....only 3 sailors survived...
Perhaps the Hood as we know it in the 24th century was originally commissioned in the 2290s or so under a different name but was then mothballed/decommissioned/hulked/abandoned and then recommissioned later on, which would allow for the 4XXXX range registry number?
While my fave is the Intrepid class, I also really like the Excelsior class. It still looks very nice on screen, has been shown to be capable of pressuring a defiant class in combat if properly upgraded and i fully understand why the federation kept it as long in service as they did. It has a very robust design with no major weaknesses and seems to be easy to retrofit/upgrade. Thats important, phasing out shiptypes that play such an integral part of your fleets costs a ton of resources and time.
Just look at the Miranda class, completly outdated and the few ships that survived the Dominion war also had to be phased out for the Intrepid and Nova class.
With the Excelsior you just slap in a better reactor, upgrade weapons/shields and improve the sensors. Then you are done.
Such a design is Worth more than all the latinum in the Alpha Quadrant.
Solid video! I would love to see more of these. Thanks for posting. Cheers!
Yes I would like the conversation with the class ship. USS Curry I believe that's what it's called. Thanks thank you very much. Looking forward to seeing you if you can make that out.
Hey Rick why not look at various first starships of earth in Sci-fi. Like the SDF-1 Macross, BC-303 Prometheus and others.
"Outmatched by later designs" , Seemed to do just fine against the defiant, a ship we have seen solo multiple hostiles of any given variety on plenty of occasions, heck the defiant once single handely made the Dominion route back to Cardassia and give up DS9 just by opening fire on the station, and yet an excelsior was able to trade shots with it pretty much pound for pound.
I would say the class's biggest strength was it's ability to stay with the times of later designs.
Although it's my second favorite design after the Sovereign class, even with its upgrades if the Defiant would have cut loose, it would have taken the Lakota out pretty quickly.
@Certifiably Ingame You said the length Wrong, Its 467 Meters long Not 466, the Refit Excelsior is 469 Meters Long.
Excellent video Rick! 😄
5:23 the Excelsior class is my fave too.
You know, when I was younger, I hated the Excelsior Class design. But then I saw the Lakota in action, and I just fell in love. Gotta be doing something right, or it wouldn't be used 100 years later.
This was a really good video, would love to see more.
Also, I never really caught on to the Hood being a recurring ship name, so that was nice to learn.
Like Yorktown, which was considered as alternate name for the starring ship of the original series.
I hope you do more of these.
Nothing beats this class of ship
Great video!! Absolutely do more videos about ship lineages. Maybe reference some of the beta canon stuff at the end just for fun?
I have searched for your Legacy of the USS Yorktown I did not find one of yours WHY?
No other ship, not even the fabled Constitution as worth the fanfare as the mighty Excelsior is. If the Conny marked the 23rd century, the Excelsior marked the 24th! Sure, they may never have taken the spotlight, but it was these things that did all the Federation's work. And unlike so other classics that served into both centuries, these guys made a good show during the Dominion War.
I don't know why but the Excelsior class is my absolute favourite
My question is why exactly The Hood isn't a Roll of Honnor? With the appropriate original NCC and A, B, C etc suffix?
Sounds like a fine idea for a series. The USS Defiant comes mind as another legacy name, as well as the USS Intrepid. The USS Excalibur too if you count beta canon.
The main reason my first "family" of ships is under the USS Hood name in STO.
We need an update of this, adding more info to the contemporary vessels, as well as some more of the Beta Canon lore. She deserves that much.
It's also entirely possible that there was more than one Excelsior Class USS Hood. While it's not unheard of for Starfleet to change a registry number it's very unlikely that they did.
Like the lineage series - Keep em coming Rick
I've always been a fan of the excelsior design in general. It looks like a way more armored Constitution, and compared to the ambassador it looks like it can hold it's own in a fight. That one of these ships got named the Hood fully fits it's mythos and character perfectly. I'd be nice if perhaps a new startrek show instead of sticking the cast on the newest fanciest ship possible stuck them on something more practical like a Excelsior.
I love this new segment, I hope we see more.
My only criticism is that you forgot the USS _Constellation_ as one of the first of the _Constitution_ class.
As for the _Excelsior_ class _Hood_ being active at the turn of the century, the most logical explanation is that there was another _Hood_ in between the _Constitution_ and _Excelsior_ _Hood_
I’m actually working on a project to chart the commissioning dates and classes of starships in order to get a better idea of service life and come up with logical explanations for what we see on screen for the registry numbers.
So far it's been going rather well and I'm noticing some patterns emerge, especially since I've limited it to only that which can be confirmed so ships with clear joke names and ones without confirmed classes are not on the list.
The ship has been seen with TWO registry numbers, in fact:
NCC-2541, on the model, and NCC-42296, on display screens.
All shots of the _Hood_ I can find have the registry either clearly as NCC-42296 or obscured by angle and video quality.
While it might have had it on the shooting model at some point, i cannot confirm that NCC-2541 was ever clearly visible on screen.
And even if that were the case, it would not be the first time there was a discrepancy like that. For example, the _Tsiolkovsky_ [TNG The Naked Now] is canonically NCC-53911 but the shooting model also had NCC-640 on it because the model had previously been used as the _Copernicus_ in Star Trek IV.
The _Centaur_ [DS9 A Time To Stand] doesn't even have the right _name_ on the shooting model.
I think it was Ex Astris Scientia that showed the TNG version of the model, up close?
That might be the case, but I'm concerned with what's visible on screen at the original broadcast quality.
And while I do respect Schneider and his work, I am very much in disagreement with some of his conclusions and methods. Especially in more recent years.
He does seem to get dogmatic, occasionally.
Yes, in this case, the onscreen registry should supercede the initially intended one. Although an earlier vessel of that number could well have existed.
The USS Hood may very well be the longest-serving ship in Starfleet. As well it should be, the Excelsior-class has always been one of the Federation's best all-around designs.
It says a lot that the old workhorse came to the aid of the Enterprise numerous times. Especially considering the Enterprise was of substantial technological improvement.
The subtext would have been better had this ship's class been of constitution design though. More so when considering this whole franchise started with a constitution-class ship.
Speaking to the reliability the constitution regardless of the advancements made in federation and Starfleet technology, also providing a subtle nod to the beginnings of this franchise.
It's actually fairly rare for the top of the line Federation cruisers to be the ones that last longer, as they're usually pushing the tench limits... It's the workhorses that *usually* survive very long term if they're upgradeable. The Excelsior class being an exception, but it basically outlived its Ambassador class successor, (Which I'd really have loved to see more of, myself.)
Would love more of this kind.
My uncle served on the HMS Hood. Luckily he was transferred off her a week before she met her fait
Yes, please do more of this.
So...
Are you gonna (or already have) spend the Zen for the T5 Excelsior for your STO character (and upgrade it to T5-U)?
Or just go for the T6 Resolute-class Advanced Heavy Cruiser (or its fleet variant) and just swap around its cosmetic parts to that of Excelsior-class, like I did.
I think i have an Excelsior class T5-U or T6, its named USS Braavos (after the Game of Thrones city)
Would certainly like to see more videos like this.
Is anyone here a...friend of Desoto
Best boss I ever had!
Ditto what logan said.
They didn't even mention the dance floors, sonic hot tubs, the holosex deck, all the important stuff
The Hood is a tough old bastard, just won't go down and proves that newer tech isn't everything.
The Defiant? The whole mirror universe thing would be an interesting one to cover. And then there's Sisko's almighty pimp hand
Could there have been an NX class or Intrepid type USS Hood in Archer's time? I sure would like to think so! NX is my fave but I like the Excelsior class a lot too.
It seems like the intent was for all the NX class to be named after Shuttles and other early space vehicles, and carried on Christopher Bennett in the Rise of the Federation novels.
The Intrepid types rarely appear, but it is possible.
In the Brad Goodman book, Federation; the First 150 years, I interpret several Romulan War ships as possibly being Intrepid types, instead (Excalibur, Defiant, Lexington...)
If any inrepid type ever had the name hood they would not had had any USS type liveries in their names in archer's century.
Another good starship that refuses to go down and pops up here and there behind the scenes is the Galaxy prototype USS Galaxy. Again another battle hardenedship that outlived others of her class. I think she fought the Klingons in the mini war they had before the war with the Dominion. Fought Dominion war took major damage at Chintaka responded to the Enterprise E's call for aid in Nemesis. The Galaxy class that won't go down and the first showing other Galaxies how its done. Being the first of her class by Nemesis she must be heavily refitted. A powerhouse of a ship i would think.
Fine ships, those Excelsiors. Plus, Desoto seemed like a good captain to work for. Not as formal as Picard, and definitely more relaxed.
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Definitely want to see more videos on ship lineage
Loved this video
Time for a Hood-centric series
Thank you for this. More please!
A really great video i would love 2 c more videos about Starships
Nice of them to name a ship after the Napoleonic era Admiral Hood
The last HMS Hood was the only ship to be sunk by the Bismarck.
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I know this video was over two years ago but can you explain that when you do these video's when a ship like the Hood gets a new ship class like when it became an Excelsior class you gave its registration number as something totally different than 1703B which is what it should be just like the Enterprise B was an Excelsior class and it kept is original number just added B, Can you explain why the Enterprise is the only one of these ships that kept its number and added letters for each class please?
Nice.
Morn is the only background character that matters in Star Trek.
I'd like to see more of this as well
I named my Star Trek online Inquiry class after the Hood
I’m nemesis the USS hood is an intrepid class ship (the replacement for the excelsior) as it’s seen in voyager on screen briefly a class name etc
Very cool. i love the idea of a "old war horse," ship. When crewmen could say with pride that their fathers, or grandfathers served on THIS ship. In this case, great grand fathers.
Wonder though.. if the Hood was actually 2 Excelsior class ships. One with Two digit registry, the 2nd with five.
Its often believed that the excelsior class was in production for over 50 years, as not larger ship frame was needed until the Ambassador, and upgrades are relatively easy to make in the production line. So you could actually have several types of Excelsior depending on the area. In shipbuilding this is called Flights, as in Flight 1, Flight 2, and so on. Aircraft, its called Blocks, Block 30, 40, 50 and so on.
Any Alpha or Beta cannon on this idea?
dude...everyone know that the starships are as much characters as the actors...theres a reason why people cried seeing the enterprise exploded in return of spock lol
Not to mention Generations and Beyond...
Hey, that’s cool. Always loved the Hood; the excelsior class is one of the best out there.
My question is, if it’s a legacy ship, why didn’t it retain its original naval registry number of 1703 when a new ship under the same name was launched? It should be 1703-B, right?
That tradition usually seems reserved for the USS Enterprise alone, however.
Oh, I thought it was just a reference to the slang term for neighborhood.
One thing that I have wonder is even if while every starship Enterprise pre or post Federation has been important to Starfleet but wasnt't the fleets flagship until the Enterprise-D. Why other namesakes like here the Hood, or others like the Excalibur, Farragut, and other didn't get that same treatment of keeping the registry number adding a alphabet letter, when a predecessor was destroyed of decommissioned, and have some USS Hood-A, and so on?
Frankly I love this class of ship . Mind you not as much as the constitution class
What is the longest term one of these ships served ?
Rebot the whole universe with these style ship prospective and camo the enterprise on the proper start dates
Very fun video. You could definitely make more and have an audience.
The fact they didn't keep 1703 as it's number was very saddening
Yes definitely would like more.
Sounds like a idea, since there may not be many people who know many of the ships in the show.
Anyone know why the USS Hood does not have the same registry number with letters added like the Enterprise?
Only the Enterprises have that distinction, due to the originals fame after the Kirk led 5 year mission. All other Starfleet vessels named after previous ones just get their own regular registry.
@@mb2000 The sole exception being the USS Exeter in Star Trek Online with the registry NCC-1672-C, for it's own ship class.
hadn't noticed that one...maybe an oversight or possibly an intentional one...an intended stealth ship maybe? something that did not technically breach The Treaty of Algeron and prevent the use of cloaking devices on Federation starships...
@Michael MacLeod I’ll have to take your word for that, I’ve never played STO, and just mainly go by the shows for my info!
I think it's a production oversight. Of course we get the Enterprise-A, but that could just be a fluke, an one-off thing. We didn't *really* get to see lineage until TNG showed us the Enterprise-D, and you could image the shock we would get if it was something like NCC-53632. So naturally, they went with the old 1701 and continued the lineage. There's not really a reason for other ships not to continue the namesake. For example the USS Lexington in the 24th century is a Nebula-class ship but its registry is NCC-30405, instead of the Constitution-class USS Lexington's NCC-1709. Another example of "lineage" might also be taken from DS9 as the USS Defiant NX-74205 shares the name of the USS Defiant NCC-1764, and the USS Sao Paulo NCC-75633 is rechristened the USS Defiant with its original registry number of the Defiant-class. In the shows at least, the Enterprise is the only ship to be able to keep its old registry number and add a letter to denote lineage. Personally I feel like it would be a good nod to have old ships have old registry numbers for those fans that paid attention.
I'd personally love more of these 🖖👽
I'm with you, I love the Excelsior class! Definitely my favorite class, they are just too cool and that design is sexy!
HAH XD to quote the captian of the first excelsior transwarp prototype in Star trek3. heheh Incredible machine
lol I thought this was a video about HMS Hood v Bismarck Glad I made the mistake though enjoyed your Star Trek video and will watch many more 😊
Side note: the Crews of Hood and Bismarck must’ve had REALLY awkward relations.
Especially since, if you take the old FASA RPG's into account, Hood and Bismarck would have been built and launched one right after the other. Hood was NCC-1703, while the RPG gave Bismarck/Bismarck the registry NCC-1704. =P
Michael Lu this just keeps getting better and better
I have it’s successor the Hood-A
Nice the support show ship