Amazing work. Thank you. Some of the library at VS are not great films or even great B films BUT yall always do an incredible job. Please do more Amicus films.
Hi Oscar! I wish to get into film preservation/archiving/restoration someday. These videos are an absolute godsend going into detail about these elements! I hope eventually you can get to detail or cover everything about the OCN, IP, IN, and RP prints since I want to see the visual differences of each. Pre-print elements are hard to tell apart for my untrained eye. I have to ask, is the OCN-IP-IN-Print process the exact same for, let's say, nitrate and acetate Black and White films of the 1930s ~ 1960s? IIRC the process was a bit different. Thanks for your indelible knowledge as always!
I’m happy to hear this- the world needs more archivists! I hope so too - We have a future video coming up that I’ve been hoping we can do something relating to showing visual qualities of different elements. It will just take a lot of work - stay tuned! With regards to black-and-white it depends on timeframe but one of the main reason why nitrate prints (pre-early 1950s) often look so stellar is because it was fairly common practice at that time to print directly from the Original Camera Negative (OCN). So that workflow would go 35mm OCN -> 35mm print. With black-and-white, it’s important to note that intermediate steps of interpositive and internegative are for color elements only. Intermediate steps from a black-and-white OCN would be, OCN (B+W) -> fine grain master (FGM)-> duplicate (dupe) negative (DN) -> Print (b+w) I’m oversimplifying and there are many counters to these processes, but hopefully this helps clarify the most typical photochemical duplication workflows! I'll go more in depth in the future!!
These are my favorite videos from you cats. Movies are so important to me, and I really want to know more about actual film stocks and restoration. So please keep making more videos with info like this. Edit: how does one go about learning more about restoration? If you see this, is there a book or a website that might teach me more? Thanks.
There are a bunch of sources one can look to find out more about conservation, preservation and restoration such as publishings from Association of Moving Image Archivists (AMIA), International Association of Sound and Audiovisual Archives (IASA), National Film and Sound Archive of Australia (NFSA) and even Kodak and other stock manufacturers themselves. These sources also have great reading lists for published books about film handling and restoration! Overall the best recommendation I have is to get involved with handling film wherever you are located, try local theaters, archives and museums - there’s always old film lying around that will give you the opportunity to get some invaluable hands-on information. Hope this helps.
Will somebody please release these movies on DVD and Blu-ray The Granny with Stella Stevens Kid with C.Thomas Howell The Kiss with Joanna Pacula and Fright Night 2 The Suckers Are Back 1988
Probably a stupid question: When a studio says it's restoring the "original camera negatives", does that mean that they have all the unused takes from The Wizard of Oz, for example? In other words, do they have the entirety of the shot material? Thanks.
No, that's a great question! It depends on the timeframe. Any film that was edited-on-film (such as The Wizard of Oz) will have only selected takes pieced together on the film itself within the "original cut negative" element. Unused takes such as original negative outtakes, cuts and trims will have to be scanned independently of the feature element. Once the editing on video/digital era begins, it gets more complicated... stay tuned for an explanation of this coming up soon...
It was not! Actually, The Children 's original was cut using the AB Roll method (half of which is still missing to this day)... As such the change from one shot to the next would not actually be viewable on the bench from a single strand of original negative! Good guess though!
@@OscarVinsynthat’s exciting. Would it be possible to pick up The Ghost Dance from The Archive in Bridgeport, CT? (If the free copy is still at play).
0:56 to 3:39 showcases The Ghost Dance's 35mm Internegative, which was used for our restoration... From 3:40 to 5:06, we're showing you another OCN (which as-of-yet has not been guessed) from the same time period that is not The Ghost Dance for compare-and-contrast purposes. Guess that mystery film for a free movie.
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Amazing work. Thank you. Some of the library at VS are not great films or even great B films BUT yall always do an incredible job. Please do more Amicus films.
It was so nice of Oscar to do the video after the traumatic event of being possessed. Bless his cotton socks. Also, is the film Guns and Guts?
This was a good video.
Hi Oscar! I wish to get into film preservation/archiving/restoration someday. These videos are an absolute godsend going into detail about these elements! I hope eventually you can get to detail or cover everything about the OCN, IP, IN, and RP prints since I want to see the visual differences of each. Pre-print elements are hard to tell apart for my untrained eye.
I have to ask, is the OCN-IP-IN-Print process the exact same for, let's say, nitrate and acetate Black and White films of the 1930s ~ 1960s?
IIRC the process was a bit different. Thanks for your indelible knowledge as always!
I’m happy to hear this- the world needs more archivists! I hope so too - We have a future video coming up that I’ve been hoping we can do something relating to showing visual qualities of different elements. It will just take a lot of work - stay tuned!
With regards to black-and-white it depends on timeframe but one of the main reason why nitrate prints (pre-early 1950s) often look so stellar is because it was fairly common practice at that time to print directly from the Original Camera Negative (OCN). So that workflow would go 35mm OCN -> 35mm print.
With black-and-white, it’s important to note that intermediate steps of interpositive and internegative are for color elements only. Intermediate steps from a black-and-white OCN would be,
OCN (B+W) -> fine grain master (FGM)-> duplicate (dupe) negative (DN) -> Print (b+w)
I’m oversimplifying and there are many counters to these processes, but hopefully this helps clarify the most typical photochemical duplication workflows! I'll go more in depth in the future!!
These are my favorite videos from you cats. Movies are so important to me, and I really want to know more about actual film stocks and restoration. So please keep making more videos with info like this. Edit: how does one go about learning more about restoration? If you see this, is there a book or a website that might teach me more? Thanks.
There are a bunch of sources one can look to find out more about conservation, preservation and restoration such as publishings from Association of Moving Image Archivists (AMIA), International Association of Sound and Audiovisual Archives (IASA), National Film and Sound Archive of Australia (NFSA) and even Kodak and other stock manufacturers themselves. These sources also have great reading lists for published books about film handling and restoration! Overall the best recommendation I have is to get involved with handling film wherever you are located, try local theaters, archives and museums - there’s always old film lying around that will give you the opportunity to get some invaluable hands-on information. Hope this helps.
@@OscarVinsyn Thanks!
I know it's not but .. wish it could be .. The Day of the Triffids !
I think it is possibly -The Hearse -1980.
Good guess but no!
Fantastic. Might the other film in question be "Don't Go In The Woods" (1981)?
I wish! Our release was done from the IP.
@@OscarVinsynunderstandable. Thank you.
i’m also a film archivist. where can i get a flatbed inspection bench like the one you’re using?
I think the film is Dave 2: The Revenge
I'd greenlight this even if it means I'd get my deserved comeuppance
@@OscarVinsyn sweet, my first executive producer credit! 🤣👍
Will somebody please release these movies on DVD and Blu-ray The Granny with Stella Stevens Kid with C.Thomas Howell The Kiss with Joanna Pacula and Fright Night 2 The Suckers Are Back 1988
Has VS released the mystery negative movie ?
Yes we have (I'm counting this very good question as your title guess)!
Probably a stupid question: When a studio says it's restoring the "original camera negatives", does that mean that they have all the unused takes from The Wizard of Oz, for example? In other words, do they have the entirety of the shot material? Thanks.
No, that's a great question! It depends on the timeframe. Any film that was edited-on-film (such as The Wizard of Oz) will have only selected takes pieced together on the film itself within the "original cut negative" element. Unused takes such as original negative outtakes, cuts and trims will have to be scanned independently of the feature element. Once the editing on video/digital era begins, it gets more complicated... stay tuned for an explanation of this coming up soon...
@@OscarVinsyn Thanks.
My guess for the OCN is Mother's Day.
It is not!
Is the negative from Graduation Day?
Good guess but no!
Is it Massage Parlor Murders?
A little bit later than that one!
I'm going to guess "5 Card Stud". I see cowboy hats and VinSyn's release was from an OCN.
No not that one but I like your thinking!
Is it The Children?
It was not! Actually, The Children 's original was cut using the AB Roll method (half of which is still missing to this day)... As such the change from one shot to the next would not actually be viewable on the bench from a single strand of original negative! Good guess though!
@@OscarVinsyn thanks!
Possibly horror high I heard that 🤘💿🤘
Interesting.
Last House on Dead End Street
I wish!
@@OscarVinsyn damn the notification that you replied had me feeling like I was right haha.
RIP Dave, but not really.
I like guessing. Madman?
Shit! I'm too late to the game :S
It is 100% Madman!
@pattysteinkopf7459 Congrats! You won!! 🎉
@@OscarVinsynthat’s exciting. Would it be possible to pick up The Ghost Dance from The Archive in Bridgeport, CT? (If the free copy is still at play).
Yes of course! I will follow up with details tomorrow so that you can pick up your copy in person!
@pattysteinkopf7459 - Do you have an associated social media account we can use to message you the pickup details? Thanks!
Schizoid? 1980 and the main character wears a wide brim hat. It used the OCN.
Good guess but no!
Is it Fade to Black??
Nope! But close!
Don’t Answer the Phone?
A tad early to be the OCN but good guess!
Is it Funeral Home?
Good guess but no!
3:52
Concentrate on P.M. Entertainment movies.
Blood Beat?
Nope!
Effects? 🤔
No, that's 16mm!
Was it Mother’s Day?
Only one guess allowed!
Is it Corpse Mania?
No! The OCN is for a film produced in the USA.
Blood Harvest
Hey now, only one guess per person
Was it The Boogeyman?
Alas, no.
Christmas Evil
Not it!
Iced?
N(ice) try... no.
TG it's not Ghosts Can't Dance
I don't get it. So this is not the real thing?
0:56 to 3:39 showcases The Ghost Dance's 35mm Internegative, which was used for our restoration... From 3:40 to 5:06, we're showing you another OCN (which as-of-yet has not been guessed) from the same time period that is not The Ghost Dance for compare-and-contrast purposes. Guess that mystery film for a free movie.
Blood Harvest?
Close in terms of vibe but Blood Harvest is 16mm AB Roll!