What Spell Did Molly Use to Kill Bellatrix SOLVED! | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives back into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to uncover what spell Molly Weasley used to kill Bellatrix Lestrange and if doing so actually split her soul?!
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She used the "you b*tch" spell. Still works to this day.
I use that spell daily on my friend
Fr lol
It’s a simple spell, but quite unbreakable
Still worse than "NIAAAAHH" by Voldemort in goblet of fire tho...😂
That is awesome
The power behind Molly was not just protecting her daughter, but her grief of losing her son. Ultra mother mode unlocked.
Ultra Instinct Molly.
So true ✌✌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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@@growlie2676😂😂😂😂
YES
rewatching as an adult i realized she was completely distraught about fred in the last fight scene and REFUSED to lose another child. the over arming theme is a mothers love is stronger than any evil. plus it also shows how advanced molly is because of her ability to cast w/o words. molly is literally a secret GOAT
Thats the thing though, all the adults can cast without words. Its the next progression especially in combat, i think by year 6 they begin learning non verbal casting. Thats y all the kids fighting are basically doing so non verbally. Using words is too slow in combat
Love is also what saved Harry from Voldemort.
@@Diffoolwait, really? Tell us more dude, don't leave us hanging like that.
I like to think in the movie version that first spell she hit Bellatrix with was effectively a household drying spell, something to remove moisture that any house-witch might know. (Though perhaps over powered here.) The spell removed a bunch of her body's moisture, making her body fragile, and then blasted her apart with reducto or something similar. Molly is portrayed as such a "house-witch" throughout and some characters seem to look down on her for that. I just love the thought that it was in part a house-witch's staple drying spell that took Bellatrix out.
I love your version about drying spell!! It makes so much sense 👏
This is exactly what I thought. It looks like she got wrung out like a rag.
It could also be petrificus totalus
It doesn't work on humans
It would very much fit the theme of Voldemort and the Death Eaters looking down on things they don't consider worthy of their respect and having it backfire on them.
Like when Voldemort used Kreacher to place the locket in the basin. All his spells were designed to stop HUMAN magic, he never even considered that a House-Elf's magic could overrule his own.
For some reason I have always thought of it as murder that split the soul, not just killing. She was defending herself and her family, so her soul is in the clear!
I think that motive may also be an explanation for the lethality of the spell. Though the concept of "ancient magic" is new to the hogwarts legacy game the concept of mysterious high magic exists as the basis for the protection Harry's mother places on him. I think in the act of defending her children Molly could have channeled some sort of divine "smite" or "retribution" type spell, a killing spell meant to destroy evil specifically.
I always thought the same thing because Avada Kedavra isn't called the murder curse. 99% of the murders in the wizarding world are by the "killing curse". It is a safe assumption.
The concept of ancient magic is not new to the hogwarts legacy. We already knew prior to hogwarts legacy that hogwarts was a font of ancient magic and that was what the founders used in its creation
That's the implication of Dumbledore's conversation with Snape. A righteous killing would not harm the soul, it's all about the motivation behind taking a life. That's also why only Snape knows whether their plan would harm his soul or not - only he knows his true motivation for going along with it.
Exactly. Killing in defence is certainly not a murder. Not legally, not linguistically, not ethically. Killing in defence is moral and legal.* This very scene is a great example of perfectly just killing and not only was it perfectly legal, it was morally right. Molly actually prevented murder(s).
*Where I live (CZ, in the EU) the law clearly states that it is legal to use force up to deadly force to protect life, health and property. We have very low crime rates, so these instances are quite rare, but it sometimes happens a criminal gets shot dead in defence, then the legal system usually quickly declares this a legal action and the public opinion is pretty much all on the side of the who shot the criminal.mI remember a case when a guy tried to rob a gun store in Prague, attacked the people in it and a woman working there shot him dead. It was legally declared a necessary defence and fully legal. So killing of Bellatrix always seemed to me like something that is not just moral, but it is so moral pretty much everyone agrees it would be fine even in the real world.
I love the movie version of this fight. It's like she used petrificus totalus, then followed up with reducto. Belatrix froze then exploded.....priceless!!!
Kinda like the T-1000 but Belatrix didn't git back up.
I agree! This is the exact spell combination I’ve always pictured for the movies
Yess!!
The Spell combination actually make sense
I see I am not the only one who thinks this way lol
Movie Molly didn't kill Bellatrix... she WIPED HER FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!
"hey guys, where's Bellatrix"
"over there, over there, and up there..."
"some over here too"
"I think I stepped in some."
Oh man that connection they did in the movies really made me tear up. I love how it highlights their mother-daughter relationship in their big family of boys.
I like to think the first spell that hit Bellatrix in the film was a _drying/desiccating_ spell, then a follow up “cleaning” version of Reducto; Molly using spells that she’d usually use for laundry and gardening to clear up the *mess* that was trying to kill her daughter.
A+ 😂
Neat
I like this a lot
If this is true, then Bellatrix being defeated this way is an even bigger middle finger to voldemort. Which makes me smile lol
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The are two spells that took out Bellatrix.
Firstly, remember Molly’s wheelhouse. It was book canon that Molly was “really excellent” at householdy spells. I think the spell that got under Bellatrix’s defenses was a spell meant for wringing out wet laundry. Instead it just twists Bella’s clothes and wrings all the air out of her. Is there even a defense against this? Even if there is who would think to have it ready in the middle of combat?
As for the true finishing move. We all have seen the OP Reducto that Ginny wields. The movie shows this OP effect both in the room of requirement and the fight at the ministry of magic. Where do you think Ginny gets it from. Ginny’s Reducto is just a pale imitation of what her mom can unleash.
This is genius! Also the phrasing „instead it wrings all the air out of her“ sent me🤣🤣
Love this theory
The first one is possible but I believe it was patrificus totalus. I believe she then finished her off with bombarda maxima.
@@LordFirestaffI've always thought that's what it was because it looks as if she turned to stone before she exploded.
@@marijuanaman4289 There was someone else who suggested the first one was glacious (the freezing spell) turning her to ice before finishing her off with bombarda maxima. I think this is actually correct. Patrificus totalus wouldn't explain the stone-like effects taking place.
You can't forget the fact that Fred had already been killed and George maimed, plus the other casualties that the Order had suffered at this point (including Harry's apparent death, and he was like a son to her). Momma bear was in the house, and she wasn't letting anyone hurt her family anymore unless they killed her first.
J's Snape voice cracks me up every single time, please never stop
I’ve always felt that Molly was a much more formidable witch than we knew. She was very powerful. I think she created her “excellent clock”. Molly chose to be domestic and care for her family, while Arthur, also a very powerful wizard, worked at the ministry. They chose their low level lives on their own. Built a wonderful home and had a beautiful family….in spite of the fact that the ministry had little regard for Arthur (his office didn’t even have a “window”!!!).
I think a lot of people miss how powerful she is in using magic because we don't understand at first that the level of "domestic magic" she uses is actually really difficult. she could have been an outwardly powerful witch and had a career, but she **chose** to focus on family and home.
I think her and Arthur perfectly display that people can be extremely powerful, regardless of their station in life.
@@Huebz Exactly!!!
@@tektrixter Exactly my point.
Too frequently, we as a culture overlook the difficulty and importance of domestic life. My wife is a homemaker and homeschooler, yet I would never presume to think I was smarter than her or doing a more important job than she is.
I love both the delivery of the movie and book with this line. Movie feels so cold and harsh when she says it but what I love in the book is Harry also seeing Ginny almost get hit with the Killing Curse, getting mad and going to help her but is immediately shoved to the side by Molly sprinting across the Great Hall, tearing off her cloak and absolutely SCREAMING at Bellatrix
That was great in the book, another favorite moment to me in that fight was Harry sensing what was about to happen to Bellatrix. It reiterated in a good way the connections of the Black Family and possibly Harry being "The Master of Death".
I think it's the first time she swears in the series. (I'm mainly talking about the movies because I can't remember much from books 1-4 as I had read them in the second grade. However, I went back to books 5-7 recently)
Still gives me chills…
Best moment in the Whole Series IMO.
I also think there is a very real possibility that Molly’s use of magic during that fight may have gone beyond specific spells… as may have Harry’s with Sirius…
There is the implication that every magical person First exhibits magic as a naturally occurring event - the result of a moment when their natural abilities come out on their own. It is mentioned that some parents opt not to send their kids to formal school, choosing instead to teach their own methods at home. It is also shown that people who avoid formal study can suffer from magic explosions occurring when in high stress.
The very fact that new spells are created by those who experiment leads me to think the trick isn’t in doing the thing, but in repeating it and sharing it with others…
I kinda like to think Molly was channeling full Momma-Bear energy with the aid of her own knowledge…
It seems to me that the best magical people learned to tap into this inner driven power as fuel. Moving past specifics to a more intuitive use. Hence Bella’s crazy energy making her so formidable, for example…
Yes! I've explained this before. Molly's wand acting upon her own instinct. Finally somebody else who believes this. Good explanation!
Snape showing Dumbledore his patronum is the best scene...."After all this time"? "ALWAYS"!
Yes this is by far the best scene in the films. And I've always thought this Bellatrix is trying to cast stuff and Molly is just puling a trigger, she is trying to kill with every shot.
I always assumed Molly used a simple household spell to shrink clothing and crushed her ribs in the book and then reducto in the movie as a follow up.
Look at Bellatrix's arms. She loses mass like she's being dehydrated or dried out. The kind of spell a witch might use to dry laundry, perhaps?
That’s definitely a kind of spell Bellatrix, or any dark wizard for that matter, wouldn’t expect to be used in a fight. It caught her off guard and gave Molly an opening.
@@Stormkrow280 Absolutely. If you're a fighter, you expect to fight fighters. You don't expect to fight house wives. Especially ones that are more powerful than they let on. You also wouldn't expect chore magic if you've never done chores (wealthy).
@@Beanzoboy "Welcome students to Defence against Chore Magic." 🤣🤣🤣
Looked more to me like a petrification spell.
It all comes down to motive. Snape killing DD will cause no damage. Draco killing DD would cause damage. Molly killing Bella, motive was to protect her family, not to murder. No damage to Molly’s soul.
I love how many of us as a community have decided Dumbledore's shorthand is DD, not AD like his initials.
Motive does have something to do with it. But consider this: in front of Death Eaters, Snape had to use Avada Kedavra to show he was powerful and to continue to be in Voldemort's good graces.
But did he have to?
He's a powerful wizard.
He agreed to kill Dumbledore.
He's an excellent occlumens.
Also consider:
He had more than a tolerance for Dumbledore; I think he and Dumbledore were friends.
Snape could easily and expertly do non-verbal spells.
He and Dumbledore planned this death out at least a full year before it happened.
Snape was loyal to Dumbledore in protecting both Draco and the rest of the Hogwarts students.
I don't think Snape could quite use Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore. I think another spell was cast silently, perhaps more than one. I figure this requires the same talent required for Occlumency.
Now, physics. Acceleration of gravity is 32 feet/sec^2. That means after one second, an object falls at 32 feet per second. After 2 seconds, the object now has a speed of 64 feet per second. After three seconds, 96 feet per second, and after 4 seconds, 128 feet per second. At an average speed of 64 feet per second [(Vt - Vo) /2],
After 4 seconds
(D = Vavg*T) , Dumbledore would have traveled 256 feet, about 16 storeys if you take a building storey at 15-16 feet. That is incompatible with life.
Whatever spell Snape cast would push Dumbledore off the tower, even if he could not manage the intensity of the Killing Curse. I think Snape ultimately emerged Soul intact.
In addition, it takes Harry getting past his shock to realized he was no longer bound by Dumbledore's spell on him. 4 seconds can easily pass during this kind of brain derailing.
I figure Snape cast a spell to push Dumbledore over the edge. Maybe he cast a spell for Dumbledore not to feel any pain. He did not want to kill Dumbledore, after all. I would give Snape the benefit of the doubt.
I feel it was a mercy killing and not murder.
NB: if you tack on one more second, and 16 storeys wasn't high enough, the velocity would rise to 512 feet/sec. The fall would be 5*256 feet or 1280 feet, or 80 storeys, which I think would take care of any height at Hogwarts. Dumbledore died quickly, and Harry would not know it might not have been Avada Kedavra that killed Dumbledore.
@@ginnyjollykidd you could also consider what Bellatrix said in the ministry "never used an unforgivable curse, Potter? you have to mean it, righteous anger won't hurt me for long." (somewhat paraphrased)
I think Snape actually used the killing curse, but due to the fact he didn't want to kill Dumbledore, his curse didn't have the power to kill, only to push him, and according to your calculations and the fact Dumbledore was already weakened he died from the fall (or rather the sudden stop at the bottom of the tower).
also note, that putting meaning into the curse is also needed for the killing curse, which is somewhat confirmed by Barty Crouch jr. when he says "you could all point your wands at me and say the incantation, and I wouldn't get as much as a nosebleed." (again paraphrased) as it does not refer to the skill more the inexperience with unforgivable curses and the fact that none in the class would want him dead.
@@SalKhayerPWBDD or I suppose just APWBD if you don’t want to use 2 d’s for DumbleDore
@@SalKhayeri thought they meant DumbleDaddy😂😂😂
This is the first video that I have seen from y'all in so long . I am glad to have found one again .
OK, I wanna say something. She wasn’t just defending Ginny. She was also kind of getting revenge for Fred and for her two brothers that were killed in the first wizard war
Omg something I didn't notice. When Ginny narrowly gets hit with the killing curse (looks like she blocks it somehow?) You can see George turn around in fear for a split second and that just breaks my heart because he just lost his brother and thought he might lose his sister too.
can't you jus acio literally any object or piece of rubble to you to block it?
@jansonshrock2859 I'd say no because the time it would take for you to think of the spell, think of the object you want and have it fly over to you, the killing curse would have hit you already. It's one of those things that seem like a really good idea but I think in the end it wouldn't work.
@@urbexabandoned1997 but the killing curse strictly requires the spoken incantation and acio can be cast without speaking? Even if it needs to be spoken it's fewer syllables plus Hermione simply says acio and doesn't have to say the name of the object when finding the medicine in her bag for ron's arm
@@jansonshrock2859moody says himself that they could all use the incantation and he’d get less than nosebleed.
It’s the intent that matters. The incantations have always struck me as unimportant, they just channel the intent, as they’re just Latin. There are wizards in other countries like Africa. I don’t suspect they need to cast spells in Latin.
I’d hazard a guess you could cast it non verbally, but Voldemort just doesn’t want to leave any room for interpretation killing Harry, he’s also barely alive when he kill frank. And there appear to be many people he kills directly who I can’t imagine he spoke the incantation, like when he kills loads of death eaters who brought him bad news
@@jansonshrock2859 I watched The Crimes of Grindalwold for the first time last night and noticed in the rally scene, one of the Aurors casts the killing curse in reflex to being attacked by a member of the crowd. There was no incantation, just a blindingly quick wand flourish, a flash of green and a dead body on the floor.
Draco killing Dumbledore would have been an act to harm. Snape killing Dumbledore was an act of mercy. And that's the difference, the motive behind the act.
Bellatrix was trying to kill her kids. I'm pretty sure acting in defense won't tear a soul. But even if it did, I don't doubt for a second she would have done it any way.
Love these theories! It would be super cool if Molly could use ancient magic like in the recent hogwarts legacy game. That spell looks so similar to a ancient magic spell in hogwarts legacy… well at least in the movie. Unfortunately I don’t think this is the case, but it’s a cool concept
Voldemort looks like he’s using ancient magic during the dumbledore fight in the ministry of magic
I always believed that she used a combo of one paralyzing spell (or something that turnes the target in to a stone like stasis) and something like reducto. The reduto spell is obviously a dangerous spell which could most definitely kill someone especially if it hits them straight in the chest.
Haven’t watched the video yet, but predicting it will be Wadiwasi
The only spell more powerful than the unforgivable ones
WadiWasi!!!
What?
@joshuagorski9452 basically able to sling small objects at high velocity. Looks to be introduced in the new mystery game
@@qrowbranwen1864 book 3 lupine used it on peeves after that pultragist stuck gum in a lock.
I always thought molly, being the stay at home mom, used a dry cleaning spell on bellatrix, shrunk her clothes so tight it made her out of breath while it squeezed her, then used reducto to finisher her, because she clearly uses 2 different spells to stun then finish.
That was my thought as well--she used a shrinking spell on Bella's corset to force the breath out of her (and most likely surprised her because who uses a garment usage charm in combat) and then blew her up with reducto.
If you watch the scene again, though, don't look at the corset. Look at her body. Her arms, etc. Her skin visibly shrinks. Like she's *losing water* . Would a witch that does the laundry have some sort of *drying* or *dehydrating* spell? I'd say that's pretty likely. I find it more interesting if Molly used everyday chore spells to defeat *and then to kill* Bellatrix.
@@Beanzoboy Obviously she cast Blight, followed by Disintegrate. Flavored for Potterverse, of course.
@@Beanzoboy i think it is petrificus totalus followed by reducto. belatrix looks just like neville in the first movie when he gets stunned. being turned basically into a human rock and then having reducto cast would be devastating.
@@Syrekoth712 doubt that. shes visibly SHRINKING. you can see her clothes, her face, etc literally shriveling up. petrificus totalus doesnt do that
From the movie, Molly’s spells were, “Petrificus”, freezing Bellatrix in place, and “Reducto”, or “Bombarda”. Both would cause some form of implosion/explosion in the frozen target.
Thank you so much for thos video! Been Killin me for years the soul bit (no pun intended)
Just as crucio isn't effective unless you want to cause pain, neither Molly defending Ginny, nor Lily defending Harry (so many "-y" names) *could* have cast the killing curse (effectively) -- their motivation was to protect not to kill
It was the intention to kill, the purpose of the kill was to protect.
i do agree with you completely, except she did mean to kill, it says so in the books. but it was a protection mechanism like you said, just a minor detail i wanted to point out.
I'd say Harry truly wanted to cause immeasurable suffering to Bellatrix in the Dept. Of Mysteries, but wasn't able to because his motivation was clouded, it was rage and grief, not cold callous nihilism. I think motivation supercedes intent with the dark arts. I think for AK to work, it's not just intent to kill, but wanting to kill for sport or to further your own goals, I don't think it could work if your only killing to protect others.
As for the spell Molly used, it COULD have been Reducto in the books too, not on Bellatrix herself, but her internal organs. Molly could have been so focused in that she exploded Bellatrix heart from the inside.
Or it could have been any number of generic impact spells like Stupify, hard enough impact to the chest can stop a heart.
Also tons of charms used creatively, Reducio or dimminuendo to shrink the heart, a variation of Petrificus Totallus (since Totallus is probably the modifier that makes it full body, I imagine it could be more localized) to just stop the heart, same concept with Locomotor Mortis, say Petrificus Praecordia or Praecordia Mortis. Even Diffendo is an option I guess, hard to say you can slice someone's insides with it without damaging the body, but never know.
My money is on a charm to stop Bellatrix's heart over a random one off Curse we see Dolohov use once, I don't think Molly would tap into dark magic so much as repurpose her normal charms, or even just pop off with extra spicy DADA combat spells.
@@alexmarissens4016But I think they're right that that underlyinf motivation makes a difference. When Harry uses Crucio on Bellatrix, he means to cause pain, but it's coming from grief and love, not malice, so it doesn't work properly. So it would be the same if you're trying to kill but it's coming from wanting to protect
@@LudacritzTTVHarry’s crucio still hurts Bellatrix, but it’s not excruciating, just a weak version.
Harry likely could have used Diffindo the Severing Charm, he uses it in GoF, OoPh, HBP, and DH.
The reason Hermione survives Dolohov's curse could be it didn't hit her heart. The text says it went over her chest, but Molly's spell hit specifically the heart
That's exactly what I was thinking
I had this same thought as well. Location is everything.
Doesn't he know Confringo by then, as well?
Could he use a Growth Charm on Sirius’s brain to make it burst through his head?
@@azazelinblackprobably not no
thanks for this discussion, I like your explanations
I agree with all of your conclusions. Thank you for the video.
Molly is also noted as being exceptionally gifted at both incantationless and wandless magic, so that could explain the power difference in her spell if it was the Purple Flame spell.
Dumbledore having Snape do it makes it assisted suicide or a mercy kill, which would be a relief of guilt compared to Draco doing it maliciously make it a darker act. Molly was acting to defend so her action was righteous and nonself-serving.
I read of a different motive - control of Dumbledore's wand would pass to the person who kills him. By making Snape do it, the wand became his and not Draco's. That became important later.
@@ralphm6901 The elder wand doesn't pass to the one who kills it's holder, just who "defeats" or disarms, that's why it went to Draco after he disarmed him, and again when Harry disarmed Draco.
From what you have shown in the episode, for the movies, I don't think that it was ONLY Reducto. It seems to be a combination of some sort of dehydration spell to restrict Belatrix and make her more susceptible to Reducto and then Reducto.
Thankyou for reducing this to reducto!
Personally I've always taken it to be that splitting the soul is an intentional act that requires you to kill, and not that any killing will inevitably lead to your soul splitting. I think the damage to Draco's soul that Dumbledore mentions is just the guilt he would feel.
This. As usual, it's people overthinking dialogue. Then again, there's always fun in doing that.
Regardless, a Soul being so fragile doesn't make sense to me. If it was so easy to split, hundreds, if not thousands of magicals would've figured out how to make a Horcrux over the course of magical history. I mean, how many of them outright murdered? Especially muggles. Countless. Something as significant as your soul being damaged or split would've been well documented and known and put genuine fear into every magical... probably.
Same case with the damaging part. There's no known spell in existence that can harm a Soul besides the Horcrux one which requires murder. Only the caster of that spell can harm a Soul, and it's their own, not anyone elses. And even a Dementor doesn't harm a Soul but instead just sucks it out of the body. My headcanon is that the whole damaging part is more of a symbolic thing as you basically said.
HP lore is fun lol
I came to the comments to say Exactly this! How many people have had terrible trouble with guilt, for something absolutely not their fault! "If I hadn't have begged her to go to the store for that dumb reason, mom wouldn't have been killed by a drunk driver!" Some guilt so deep they never get over it. I think Dumbledore had enough faith in the good in Draco, he didn't want to tarnish his soul with guilt!
@@LegaltTO I think that there is a recipe/ritual in making a horcrux & part of the consequences is the sacrifice to your soul
Yeah I agree
As we have already established. Guilt will heal his soul rather than damaging it. Guilt and remorse is the only way to make a soul whole. Also Snape killing Dumbledore will be considered as euthanasia rather than murder. However Draco killing Dumbledore will be considered as Murder regardless of his intentions because Draco is not aware that Dumbledore is already dying.
Considering that in the movies Hermione used ‘Bombarda’ to open Sirius’ cell, one could assume it’s taught to 3rd years and that Harry was about to Bombarda Sirius’ brains all over the floor. 🥰
I think Diffindo, it is canon that you can learn it in your first year and Harry has mastered it in his fourth
The one that froze Bellatrix arguably the same one that hit Hermione, but Molly used 'bombardier' to destroy bellatrix's frozen body.
I don't normally comment on the sponsor section, but I love that comparison with the oxygen mask. Very true! I wish this message could be spread far and wide, it's not selfish to be selfish (sometimes).
Slughorn makes it pretty clear to Tom when the latter asks about horcruxs. He explicitly tells Tom that to split ones soul, one must commit murder.
Not just by killing by murder
If its just murdering than why don't all the death eaters have them?
@@baileymiddleton3636 Creating a horcrux is a long, well planned out thing to do. Not something to occur simply by murder. (although murder is the first step)
If you commit murder without setting up the vessel to trap the other piece of your soul then it’s just that your soul is maimed but all of its parts are still in your body and you can die normally, you just become a person with a damaged soul
It also takes a highly skilled wizard to even make a horcrux, while many of the death eaters are very capable, none are as proficient in the dark arts as Voldemort
@@purpaxo but harrypotter is one of those and he is not planned
I have always believed that in the movie, Molly used a "Reducio" or "Diminuendo" spell on Bellatrix - specifically on her heart/lungs. And then finished her off using "Reducto". I may be mis-seeing this but after Bellatrix's series of curses that Molly defends, Molly's first several spells have a green tint (perhaps they were curses and not just spells?) but her last two do not. And the final spell definitely has a red tint. And, as we have seen, "Reducto" is a particularly powerful spell in the hands of the Weasley women. And we've seen that the deaths of evil people result in the ash-like distribution of debris not what one might expect when one destroys a human body. I think slashing is simply a by product of dueling for your life -with sword or wand or pole, you would slash.
Petrificus Totalus makes more sense imo
Whatever the curse was that froze was tinted blue or purple.
I always liked to imagine it was a lethal combination of household cleaning spells.
Reducto has a blue flame. The spell she used had an orange flame. Most likely bombarda maxima.
@@SubjectDelta20I hate this theory and I've seen it several times on this thread. Molly was part of the Order of the Pheonix, so she had more defensive spells under her belt than people are giving her credit for.
Molly: This is not only for my family, but for Sirius Black and Dobby the house elf!
The description fits except the purple bit, I don’t think anybody will ever truly know as I don’t think J.K herself knew what spell it was and wasn’t excepting people to analyse the moment quite so much
yes. they are missing the point. It was love. The story begins with a mother's love and ends with a mother's love. I guarantee she wasn't thinking, "molly is using a dry cleaning spell" She is simply killing because she loves Jenny and is protecting her.
10:13 There’s another exception with unforgivable curses by an order member, Minerva on the Carrows in Ravenclaw tower in Deathly Hallows uses the imperius curse.
Was mcgonigal in the order she was defiantly aware and helped it, but was she actuallyin it
@@shinobi6497 I think she was, she was mentioned as one of the “in and out guests” at dinners during the summer before Harry’s 5th year at 12 Grimmauld Place, and all the other guests were order members, not to mention only order members would have access to 12 Grimmauld Place.
Harry isn’t technically in the order but he’s one of the good guys and he uses Crucio in that scene too. So they aren’t above Unforgivable Curses in general, just Avada Kedavra it seems.
@@XIN3OHd makes scenes, good point
I was just reading the part in Order of the Phoenix today where Harry and gang see Neville in the hospital. It’s one of my favorite parts of any of the books because you see the quality of people they are to not laugh at Neville, and how dedicated Neville is to his parents. Neville deserved to be the one who killed Bellatrix.
He was a samurai that is better ending. The soul part is why I think it is better than just casting evada or crucioto
Neville would have done it for revenge if he killed Bellatrix. Nevilles soul would have been damaged. Honestly, the ending where Neville kills Nagini and Harry kills Voldemort is much better. As the prophecy could have refered to Neville or Harry , it just makes sense that both Neville an Harry defeat Voldemort. Neville killing Nagini, the last Horcrux and the key to killing Voldemort and Harry killing Voldemort, the main source.
@@sanajamshaid8957turns out Voldemort’s wand rebelled against him and the death curse rebounded so Voldemort killed himself !
Maybe murder splits the soul not killing in self defense? It also looks like the final curse was orange, the end result looked like a reductor curse since she broke apart?
It always seemed in the movie that she stunned her then used reducto so I'm glad you said that.
I always thought that Belatrix’s eyes bulging might have been indicative of and engorgement spell hitting her heart or something and it basically exploding in her chest…
It would be poetic justice for her to die from a large heart (symbol of love).
Since her heart was probably already way too small, it would have been too much for her!
The way I like to think of it is that Molly was known for being especially proficient in household spells. To me it looked like something simple, like a drying spell- followed by reducto.
❤. I LOVE this theory. I always thought it was a household spell too. Wrung her dry. But the reducto that made her explode is the cherry on top.
I love your logic regarding Dolohov's spell and Ginny's prowess with the reductor spell and Ginny getting her talents from her mother. Works for me! 😍
I think it's Petrificus Totalus or a spell mean to wring out wet laundry plus either Bombardo Maxima or Reducto
I don’t think Molly ripped her soul because of the REASON she killed Bellatrix.
Exactly. Murder is a type of killing, not a synonym for killing.
Nah killing is killing its always against nature what the reason doesn't matter , her soul is split she is a murderer and walks the darkside now
@@Ranger1812 its not actually!
Murder and killing are synonyms!
The word ur looking for is "homicide"
The ONLY difference between killing and murder is not the Act but the Intention!
Criminal homicides are murders
And an officer KILLING a criminal or a person KILLING another person in SELF DEFENSE is KILLING
BUT if you put Intention aside, then both of the terms are synonymous!
"HOMICIDE" is the broader term ur looking for!
Edit: Sorry about the lecture, NOW that i have read ur comment again! You were right! 😅😅😅
Murder is a type of killing in the sense that murder is CRIMINAL killing
Sorry about my lecture buddy
Revenge?
@@Paradoxx867war? Protection? Love?
Moms' determination while defending their kids have a lot of "omph".
I've come up with a What If that I think would be very interesting. "What If Harry Potter Was A Squib" I really want to see how you flesh out the story.
Would Dumbledore know when he was a baby?
Would he tell the Dursleys?
Would the Dursleys treat Harry better knowing he wasn't magical?
Would Dumbledore still bring Harry to Hogwarts to learn about Magic and teach him to defend himself?
Would Harry still have some of Voldemort's powers such as parseltongue?
Would Harry still get a wand and would his original wand choose him?(Even though he wouldn't be able to use it).
Would it be public knowledge that "The Boy Who Lived" was a squib?
Would Harry still be put in Gryffindor?
Would Filch be kinder to Harry cause they're both squibs?
Would Harry have more Astronomy, Herbology, History of Magic, Potions, Care of Magical Creatures, Divination(Maybe?) or Study of Ancient Runes classes instead of classes that involve using magic.
Would Harry be taught how to fight without magic like with a sword, using potions or having pet magical creatures?
Would Harry still go into the chamber of secrets and save Ginny?
Would Harry still runaway from home and call the knight bus or meet Sirius?
Would Harry still need to save Sirius from the Dementors?
Would Harry still be enter into the tri wizard tournament?
Would Voldemort still take Harry's blood and return?
Would Harry be able to save himself and Dudley from the dementors?
Would Harry still be allowed at Hogwarts when Umbridge becomes Headmistress?
Would Dumbledore get Slughorn's memory?
Would anything in The Deathly Hallows be the same?
I'm totally in for this analysis on every book and movie! Let's hear it brothers!
Interesting idea👍
Dudrsley's wouldn't treat him any differently.
But if Voldemort knew the child was a squib, though it would be difficult to know that young.
He never would have gone after Harry precisely because he didn't have magic and would not be a threat.
If Harry was allowed into Hogwarts at all, he would end up way better at herbology and potions, I presume, out of sheer matter of they would be the few things he could actually be able to DO.
Edit: he would not be capable of summoning the knightbus precisely because you need a wand for it and he wouldn't have a wand.
Though this is a wonderful story idea for the future, so thanks!
I don't know if Squibs are capable of brewing potions. Muggles for a fact aren't. Even if you go through the steps of brewing a potion you need to be magical or all you will get is a stew of whatever ingredients you used.
@@anjafrohlich1170 According to Wizarding World (née Pottermore), Squibs can indeed not brew potions.
it’s crazy that this video just came out two weeks ago and i just happened to google this tonight lol
curse aside, it’s sacrilege that they split these movie into parts and STILL didn’t give this scene at least 60 seconds of screen time
this and the death of Little Finger (Game of Thrones) are the two most satisfying scenes in movie/tv history for me.
My guess was reducto for the film! But I never saw the parallels between Dolohov and Molly’s spells-it feels very obvious in hindsight 😅
I’m convinced that Molly used (in the movie, at least) two spells: a desiccating spell that she would normally use at home for domestic purposes, and then used Reducto for the ‘splodey bit.
I think she petrified her first and then used reducto
@@bwill887 my thoughts exactly bro
Ahhh! The negotiator
I saw you, you switched from betterhelp to factor!
Most awesome vid!!!
I think a good thing to add on to this is how you undo splitting your soul. That real remourse is what can heal your damaged soul. So when Dumbledore says that Snape alone knows how helping an old man move on will effect his soul, I think part of it is Dumbledore knows Snape will absolutely regret it and feel bad for doing it and even if his soul is damaged, that it would likely repair.
The main reason why I don't think her soul was split, was due to in a round about sense what Harry's mother did. She protected someone from someone else who had all intent to kill them. But instead of a love protection, she had to use a source of magic she knew to kill (aka protect) them.
My theory about Mrs. Weasley being fast enough to stave off then defeat Bellatrix, is that...if I'm doing the math right, all 7 of her children were under 11 years old. That means that if not all, at least a majority of her children would be allowed to use magic without ministry punishment. Mrs. Weasley became SERIOUSLY fast just to keep up with her kids. The twins alone would have been a nightmare.
I agree with earlier statements. Petrificus Totalus followed up with reducto! For the movie seems her body was being petrified then exploded.
I think it is worth distinguishing between *damaging* a soul and *ripping* a soul. Killing almost always damages a soul (and I think it would for Molly, too), but it requires particular evil - and the creation of a horocrux to *rip* or *tear* it. That goes beyond even normal damage.
I though it was always split but it was only permanent if you put the ripped of part in a horcrux
I always just assumed that she was using some sort of ancient passion magic similar to the love that protected Harry. She was set on protecting her family and the magic just did it's thing.
Yeah that also ties in with Hogwarts Legacy, a few can use it quite often but most in only extraordinary situations
There are times when horrible acts can weigh on your soul without breaking it, ive had to let people die and do some horrible things to save others as an ems provider, it hurts so much every time but if i dont triage or cause some kinds of harm i cant successfully do good either. Sometimes unkind actions are the kindest thing you can do.
12:03 the strength of the words used to describe the attacks gives us a clue as to the damage of the spell. A grazing shot as in "it passed right across Hermione's chest" seems as though it would be slightly less powerful than "hit her squarely in the chest" like a punch "passed right across her chest" is less strong than a punch hitting her "squarely in the chest, directly over her heart"
I like Jay's theory about it being the reductor curse to "destroy" Bellatrix, it does fit quite well.
Add on top that Bellatrix is frozen just beforehand (petrification? freezing?), so she effectively becomes a solid object before being hit with Reducto.
@@wolfbd5950freezing, body bind hex does exactly that it binds the body
Molly used two spells against Bellatrix. The first turned Bellartrix solid like stone, then casted the bombarda spell to shatter her.
Yes
In the movie, yeah. I think he could be right about the book, though
With how Bellatrix reacts to the first spell, I think of it more like a vacuum or a dehydrating spell. Something to make Bellatrix as fragile and weak as possible, as well as something that Molly would know easily by wrote due to having used it for years as a house wife. Let it never been said that using household things improperly can't have devastating consequences, and Molly would know very well what this spell was capable of. Heck, it's entirely possible that Molly, wary of the possibility of her family ever being attacked soon after the end of the war, used and practiced several seemingly innocuous spells diligently in as many ways as possible to figure out their most efficient uses in disabling opponents.
After all, if they only ever see her as a dotting wife and mother, they'll never suspect the amount of danger they'll really be in.
1. Movies, not books. 2. Doesn’t look like an explosion in the sense of Bombarda, more like Reducto
I forget which book it is, but Moody says at some point that during the First Wizarding War, Aurors were given special permission to use the Unforgivable Curses if necessary to take down Voldemort's followers, so I think it's pretty likely that at least SOME members of the Order who were Aurors have at least practiced the spell, even if they didn't use them on human targets. Moody, on the other hand? I can absolutely see him identifying a dangerous Death Eater threat that he didn't want to have to deal with while fighting a crowd and just opening the fight with the Killing Curse.
06:14 Makes sense. Its the intent and also the backfiring of spells such as Voldemort's attempt to killing Harry as an infant was affected by his parents love for him that saved him. So spells can be affected by not only intent behind the killing but also the receiver in protection as well.
I think it’s likely the motivation for taking a life matters. Draco, although obligated by Voldemort, was only doing it to protect his family regardless of whatever happens to the rest of the world aka selfishness. He was going to kill a good man (dumbeldor) to save himself (a questionable but still redeemable person) Vs Molly, who was protecting her family against an evil and murderous person.
In the fourth book, Ron mentioned finding a spell that can dry up puddles when they are looking for a way to help Harry get through the second task. The movie fight almost makes it look like Molly dehydrates Bellatrix first and then kills her. Maybe she hit her with that spell first to shrivel her up, and then explodes her with reducto.
Molly was also originally a Prewett (supposedly very powerful family)
the spell molly uses look like it could be non verbal bombarda. how Bellatrix explodes like a bomb going off
What I like about this is that Dolohov was responsible for killing Molly's brothers, Fabien and Gideon, and then molly used the same spell to take out Bellatrix
It's funny how many questions J and Ben answer that I have never actually wondered about until they answer them. 😅
This is the opposite for me, it's one I have thought of often mostly because the awesome movie moment and had even thought of again very recently.
GREAT BREAKDOWN!!🤟👍👊🫶
About the splitting soul part - I think the intention of why someone is ready to kill plays a large role. If someone kills to protect or in self defence it is something entirely different if the whole intention is to kill to create a horkrux or out of greed or no reason at all.
Regarding the spell- I don't really know, but there are many spells that can kill. Sectumsempra is an obvious choice to kill since slicing someone open is dangerous and it is in fact pure luck that Harry didn't accidentily kill Draco in The Halfblood Prince when casting Sectumsempra on him. Avada Kdavra is also obvious of course since the only purpose of that spell is to kill.
Everything that creates fire is obviously also able to kill: Confringo, Fiendfyre, Incendio or Firestorm come to mind (Molly obviously didn't use any of these since she didn't create any fire).
Other spells that cause explosions like Bombarda or Expulso are also obvious choices - these are possible options for the movie (though not in the books) since Bellatrix explodes.
So many spells can be lethal.
Love your videos saw the notification and pressed it straight away can’t wait to watch ❤❤❤❤ love this scene good going molly
i honestly believe that its entirely possible dumbledore was afraid of malfoy becoming another dark lord himself, what kind of monster would it have created
Im not sure about that. Malfoy was the annoying rival but at the end of the day, he was scared and unwilling to kill. He is not evil as Volde
And im sure Dumbledore could see that and wanted to protect him.
i instantly thought of ancient magic because of the "new" game, the very first boss fight against the troll, thats the exact dissolving animation you kill it with.
never once avada kedavra 💀
like what happened to ancient magic? the game happens bcs they want to make a game, it ends up even before fantastic beasts, and there's just no mentions of ancient magic to this day.
the most badass part of that game, was the entire animated section of the 3 Brothers story, but they don't still bring up ancient magic today?
"noone in the order of the pheonix ever uses avada kadavra"
im sure i read that when Voldermort rose to power in the last wizarding war, the OG members including Remis and Tonks, used unforgivable curses. In fact, the Ministry of Magic outright allowed the use of it by Dumbledore and his rebels (as at the time The Order were considered to be a renegade movement)
I think the key to knowing whether it will split your soul in the first place is the same as how you repair your soul, remorse. I think Molly in this case regretted having to kill, as did Snape. Draco, on the other hand, didn’t want to, but was committed to this and so was doing it by choice. Interestingly, this logic would suggest that Voldemort’s soul may not have been split by his killing of Lily, so perhaps it was his killing of James that split his soul and so Harry became a horcrux, or perhaps his attempted killing of Harry was enough to split his soul.
Eh, I doubt Voldemort regretted killing Lilly. Did he give her a choice? Yes. Is it possible he didn't actually want to? Also yes. But regretting it in the end? I doubt that.
I like this explanation more than the one given. It implies that killing still causes damage to a person's soul. What makes the difference is how someone reacts to it. Splitting or damaging a soul isn't a permanent thing, and people who truly regret killing, even if they believe it was necessary, face less risk of lasting damage.
The 'purity of motive' sort of explanation for why Molly's soul wasn't damaged sounds a lot like "I'm a good guy, so what I do is good by default." If a 'bad person' kills someone, it's a heinous act of violence. If a 'good person' kills someone, it's a justified act of self-defense. Definitionally. Just reads way too much like hypocrisy to me.
In the movie, it looked like Molly used petrificus totallus and then finished her with reducto. Either way, I think self-defense applies here, and that wouldn't split your soul.
I think the spell she used was Deletrius. It’s only used once anywhere else so I don’t have enough proof. It’s just a delete/disintegration spell
By Merlins beard I think you have it! I guess the power of the Reducto charm is strong in the lady Weasleys
I love that the story leaves sooooo much space for little queations. You're doing a great job with explaining all those theories.
I really love when Harry uses the Cruciatus Curse on Amycus Carrow when he insults McGonagall in DH. One of my favorite scenes ever! I never noticed the Order members not using the Killing Curse till you pointed it out. It really says a lot about their character. Even though they’re in danger, they’ll still avoid killing if they can, and if they can’t avoid killing, they’ll definitely not use the Killing Curse. Or that may just be because it’s illegal and they don’t want to do anything illegal.
I’ve always thought it was weird that there are so few ways discussed to kill someone with magic. The possibilities are endless and simple. You could vanish a section of aorta, transfigure their brain, stun the diaphragm, launch a projectile at high speeds. The list goes on
All the technicalities and circumstances surrounding soul splitting.. leaves you wondering if there’s a greater power supervising things.
You guys should do a what if the defense against the dark arts job wasn’t jinxed. I’d love to see how that would play out
Chances first 2 would be the same, but lupin would stay around.
When I watch the fight between Molly and Belatrix in the movie, I see two spells. The first, that catches Belatrix off guard looks like "Reducto" because you can see Belatrix's torso begin to shrink and implode... but then Molly throws another that looks a lot like "Bombarda Maxima," the same spell Dolores Umbridge uses to destroy the door to the Room of Requirement.
Reducto makes something become what me basically dust, which is what happens here. Bombarda causes an explosion, which doesn’t match what happens precisely (no need for Bombarda Maxima in this case)
Respect - making a 15min video out of an one-word-answer, which also was very obvious if you watched the movies attentive
on the whole soul ripping front maybe it's kind of a loss of innocence the way Dumbledore words it it's as if to give Snape an out as to say your not killing me but setting me free
It said that Molly’s wand slashed and twirled when the death eater just slashed their wand at Heroimine (I know it is spelt wrong lol). It was probably combination of the Madame Pamfry Purple spell with another spell that caused the additional damage and probably a combination of the emotions behind the non verbal casting is what gave it the extra umph.
Molly Looks Like She Used Ancient Magic...
Oh yeah and in order to create a horcrux I've always seen that it was important for it actually cause you the emotional soul splitting effect. It said the moment someone commits such an act that they would be changed forever. This is why it was so rare for Voldemort to create more than one.
Molly did not MURDER Bellatrix. She was acting in the defense of others, using her love to strengthen her. Acting out of love for another would not split a soul. A mercy killing, or an act of self defense would not split a soul. Molly's soul was perfectly intact after this (assuming it was before this as well).
As for what spell was used, I doubt Molly would ever use Avada Kedavra. She is too gentle of a soul for that. Had she gone into a blind rage I could see it, but she didn't. She was enraged, but she kept her composure and self control. It's more likely in my mind that she crit her with a stun that stopped her heart, or used some other spell that we are unfamiliar with.