if an 1890 woman and a 2021 woman had a conversation
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2021
- these two will not be besties 😔
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y’all yes I know vaccine isn’t a cure but it wouldn’t make that much sense if she said “you have a vaccine and people don’t want it” considering vaccines weren’t in widespread use back in 1890 so probably indeed not many of them would want it 👀
Hi! I love you
@@bluenorth3965 wow, that was an enlightening video you posted, really makes you think
Meme mom knows whats up 😂
yeah but if you called it a cure theyd probably take it, patent medicine was all the rage, just say it has laudanum in it.
but yeah....what have we fixed? some things I guess, not enough things
Do they also not want it in Poland?
The first part sounds like she’s a RUclipsr apologizing 😭
While the 1890’s one is just really roasting the crap out of her-
Slay her queen, slay with facts 😭😭
Tati crying in my head xdddddd
To be fair, 1890s woman is more 1890s wealthy woman. I bet the maid would have a different take, as would the woman workers who made her clothes.
@@HamSaladtv exactly
@@HamSaladtv same as factory workers who made our phones and everything, to be fair.
@@InvisiblerApple oh definitely, and tbf i love this bit she made, but it certainly is charry picking the best experiences from the 1890s european imperialism.
The blank stare of the women from 1890 is such a mood 😭 “I really hope you’re not gay 😰”
I loved the blank stare, I couldn’t but be in awe of how beautiful Karolina‘s eyes are 😭
@@birdgirl8390 Ikr, she is perfect.
Back then, gay meant happy
@@caiawashere "in the 60s, nobody was gay; we were just shy."
--Lily Tomlin
And I mean, being gay in some places is still illegal, so... Yeah.
So what I’m taking away from this is that being rich kicks ass regardless of what century you’re living in
As long as the commons aren't revolting, the wealthy can f*ck shit up!
I do mean that comment very literally...
*very literally...*
My exact thought 😂
TRUE! Money being the REAL god of this existance, fixes everything.
Being middle class today is objectively better than being super rich in 19th century
@@DashieDeThat's just not true... Being middle class today is living a purposeless life where you're stuck in a cycle work, eat, shit, sleep. It's why so many people are depressed nowadays. Being super rich in the 19th century is so much better
"Some of you have never lost five kids to typhus and it shows."
We're reaching levels of insult that shouldn't be possible...
In the old days insults had CLASS.
Hey baby😘
@@jennathompson4242 Hello there ☺
Yeah, but some of us have chosen to lose our kids before they are even born, does that count? How does that show on us?
The irony is most modern day women haven’t given birth to one child never mind even losing one.
Ok VictorianKarolina why do you have to call us out like that
Yeah it hurt me a little bit lol
Because VictorianKarolina can do what she likes
She makes me feel so phoney since my Long Covid probably won't kill me like Consumption, but I'm still languishing here, all fashionably pallid and sickly.
Help! I'm a fake languisher!
Hurt
I'm Victorian trucking bernadette and I need help to start my 1900s 1890s adventure
I can’t believe that Karolina revived an 1890s woman just for her to appear in the video.
Truly her powers are incomprehensible to us mere mortals
Ugh the dedicación😩😍
Right??
I wouldn’t expect anything less
Karolina *is* the 1890s woman. she's imortal.
2021 people be like: *[incomprehensible gibberish noises]*
1890 people be like: "What an insufferable fellow."
1890 women will be amazed.. We have the vote ?. We dont need men permission to do things?
To be fair.
If you had a victorian mansion in the early 20th century, your modern counterpart would probably have inherited land and a business from Daddy.
“Some of you haven’t lost five children to typhus and it shows.” I cackled.
I sniffled uncontrollable in my camping toilet :,)))
Me too, too true
Like a witch?
Last time I visited my grandma she told me about her sister that died from typhus. Yes, she always talks about fun things like that, she´s my personal memento mori
@@jonasholzer4422 my grandma tells me she survived typhus thanks to a witch doctor. In that sense, we've really come a long way...
Honestly, every time I read a historical source I’m surprised how many job opportunities there were for us, even before the 20th century. I kinda get the impression that “women have to stay in the home and raise children” was more of an upper class idea. Plenty of women, especially in the middle and lower classes, were journalists, authors, nurses, small business owners, laborers, etc.
yup, lower class women have always worked outside the home in addition to doing most of the domestic labour unfortunately.
A large part of the myth of the past being completely awful is to make the 21st century seem better. To make it seem like we've progressed a lot more than we actually did. Medieval europeans had public bath houses, but most people think they didn't bathe or were able to read for example
But wouldn't there still have been incredible pushback against those women joining those professions? Except for maybe seamstresses and other traditionally feminine jobs where it was considered women's work (also in addition to laborers/factory workers). And female authors regularly used pseudonyms so as not to give away the fact that they were women. And I can hazard a guess that if they wanted to be a doctor rather than a nurse, they would've gotten laughed off all the way into next Tuesday. I get what you're saying though, and not disagreeing that some women did hold those jobs. I just can't imagine it would've been easy. Or were standards for middle and lower class women different when it came to work? (Besides the obvious bc I know lower class women have always worked outside the home.) What I mean is does anyone know if the prevailing attitude was "oh, it's fine if _those_ women work" or was it more "no woman should be doing that kind of work period (unless it's traditionally feminine work) but they are, so whatever"?
I remember hearing that women who had families who also worked (I think in the Edwardian era but don’t quote me) would have a later start time than women who didn’t have families because society knew how important women were to have a functioning household.
The stay at home wife in the general population is a ideal from the last century, as people got more afluent it was a sign of weatlh. Just one person did need to work basically
This skit had so much potential.
2021: My BF is Black..
1890: Wait, what!?
That's
Good old beastiality.
Not in the UK.
Wealthy white women did not *admit* to Black lovers in 1890 London.
Did it ever happen on the down low, though? I'd guess yes.
1890: *Fire up the burning stake boys!*
@@rileymclaughlin4831not many bl*ck men around in 1890's Britain
"You're 27 years of age, unmarried, and unemployed" Okay, Victorian Meme Mom, you didn't have to come for my throat like that, I'm working on it 😭
That fact slapped to my face so hard but I'm just older, 29 years old 😂😂😂
She has six lovers too.
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Unmarried and unemployed. That's an insult? You should be the happiest person in the world 😁.
@@escah9150 the unmarried, yes. Unemployed, my student loan repayments are starting again and I have no idea how to defer them. Also my mom's bugs the shit out of me everyday about who I applied to and if the called back
“Some of you haven’t lost five children to typhus and it shows.”
This got me.
This got me good.
Ikr
I’m glad I saw this before I started the video because at first I thought it said 1980 and this made me do a double take
Best line 🤣
This is iconic.
I still can't understand it dumb-dumb here
"What have you Fixed?!"
Good question
If anything, they've made things worse.
In my job, all the women make more than me.
What is your occupation?
okay but like, this is one single job. if you take the average of all jobs this is not the case. a single example proves nothing
I'm so tired of this argument, wages are same.
@@yanwato9050The WAGE GAP doesn't include education, hours worked, negotiating....
“Reading letters from my six lovers” Well miss ma’am had her fair share of fun and games that’s for sure
Plot twist: she is Emma Bovary
Folks had to do something to amuse themselves and pass the time before television and the Internet were invented...
i can't even get a crush from a crush she's living the life
But what about STDs :((
@@leavealekalone I thought the same😬🤦🏻♀️
"Reading letters from my six lovers" 😂😅
There's thing thing called otome...
I like otome isekai Manwhas, but the anime is nice too
like... laaadyyy you are such a naighty naughty lady
She was with her “maid” ;)
Relatable lol, if it was anime boys.
It’s not that hard 😏
To be fair, she would at least make the same amount as a man, given, she chose the same profession, and has equal work experience.
The gender pay gap doesn't and has never existed. A woman got a prize for proving it doesn't exist. You've been lied to.
These stats are so skewed by ultra feminists by pooling less important jobs in with important jobs. You are right and a lot of women actually make more than their male counterparts in the same field.
Precisely. The "gender pay gap" is literally just the average between all women and all men. It's not even a comparison for one job or even one sector. It's been debunked countless times because this is obviously a silly way to compare the wages between genders and trying to make out that there is some "inequality" going on.
Actually, she may not. You haven’t been a female professional in the workforce and it shows.
@@Chels-fz5uq So tell me then have you?
Yeah this is true of rich women but not poor women
Just don't tell the poor lady about the mysterious loss of pockets in the future.
The pocket loss actually happened around 1890s. She knows and she also saw it happen
@@miglek9613 and she's got some words for the person who started it.
wait, what about pants with pockets that have a single bar tack stitch in the middle to ensure you cant use them? Seriously, what supervillain came up with that bs?
@@nosknosk9693 I believe (though could easily be wrong) that those stitches are ment to keep the garment in place during shipping and protection. You'll find them in vests, and the inner pockets of dress jackets as well.
@@rabbit__ You're right. Any well made item of clothing will have those stitches. I got fed up of buying cheap jackets that didn't last long, saved up and bought a couple of really good equality well made ones and all the pockets were lightly tacked all the way across to prevent them catching on anything in transit and to meet their shape. They also came with spare buttons and a piece of fabric for any possible future repairs.
The library, mansion and maid sure sounds nice. Would love to hear the maid's perspective though.
Impossible.
Only human beings may freely communicate.
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 Ew.
BURN! Do one with a 1800s maid conversating with a 2021 maid.
@Diego Charles disgusting. In the very olden days stealing a kid was as punished as most other serve crimes, like murder, but even that was somewhat more understandable as that pig could have been the whole households meal to survive on
Great point
In what world is having six lovers a good thing?
Good thing for those 6 guys, who don't have to commit, but get to drop the load and run. Feminism was a win for the top 10% of men... and a massive loss for women who lost agency in their own love lives but gained an abusive boss that doesn't give a shit about them.
Sounds hot.
"Some of you have never lost 5 children to typhus and it shows"
shows WHAT? could somebody please explain the joke here, I don't get it 😭
@@lxtatar7773 it's the same structure as another popular joke, "some of you never _ and it shows" meaning you obviously never seen some shit or been around the block
@@parabrahmadas thank you!
@@lxtatar7773she is referring to antivaxers
the one thing about most of the depictions of historic people is they generally depict the lives of the rich ! I would love to see a conversation between a 21st woman and a 1890s polish mining coal town woman .
Yeah.
Exactly
And which 21st century woman? There are still very poor coal mining towns, and if you mean that demographic, I think they could find quite a lot in common, if you mean a typical urbanite woman, it would be completely unrelatable.
@@margaretqueenofscots9450 I meant women who are part of a family that derive 80% or more from wages earned in the direct extraction of coal ( not managers, owners , speculators , or people involved in various ancillary industries ) .
Poland did not exist as a country then. Half was Prussian and other Imperial Russia
"What have you fixed?"
We have vegan cheese that actually melts.
Is that a real solution?
@@EzequielNascimento its a start of something great😂
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1890 woman: I'm sorry what is vegan
@@amiracaroandyeeeeet.2779 too poor for animal products!
I agree with the 1890s woman. What have we been doing? Why don't men make as much as woman?
Oh geez. The gender "wage gap" has been proven to be a myth multiple times over. Lol
100%!
It's a skill gap. That plus time and experience.
@@Nopety-Nope and risk gap. Sorry. Working as a vet technician doesn't pay as much as underwater welding.
“it’s been 130 years, what have you fixed?” this is literally so sad when you think about it.
More like incompetence or just shows lack of motivation anyways this just proves that 1
barack obama is Supreme for being black and president after 130 years blacks did more than suburban women angery at their tired husband's opresive patriarchal hierarchical system 👨🦼 2 wamen are ungrateful for how good the system plays for them is honesty sad when you think about it pink tax my ass
@@heliogonzalez2663 hi why do you think that? Abortion being illegal or very restricted, different payment for different genders, inequality in political representation, there is not enough support for working women with children, a lot of women are the only one taking care of their children, also prostitution and child marriage are mostly affecting women, domestic and sexual violence too, double moral standards benefiting men, menstrual poverty, etc. All of these things are in fact part of the political, social and economical system we live in.
And disclaimer: I am not saying that life is easy for men. But there is inequality between genders and this inequality benefits men, not women. (And I didnt even mention the specific problems of sexism + other opressions, like racism, ableism, lesbophobia, transphobia...)
So yeah, I would like to know what is your view on this.
Weve fixed a lot, its just theres still a lot to fix. Its important to appreciate how far we’ve come to understand how farther we can go
In the past century, Women got the right to inherit property, then the right to do their own banking(own things separately from their husband), then the right to custody of their children after divorce, then the right to "no-fault divorce" (proof of infidelity or abuse used to be required for a court to allow a divorce, which is hard to collect, so women were stuck even when husband WAS abusive), and although it's sometimes blocked: the healthcare system can tell them how their bodies actually work, they have the legal right to equal pay, and have the federal right to reproductive choices. Just because our standards of freedom are higher now doesn't mean we haven't had tons of progress 💛
@@heliogonzalez2663 yeah but shes not from America and America isnt the only country in the world to talk about...
The fact that she probably didn't understand why the 2021 woman didn't wanted her to be gay is killing me.
OMG MOM, IM FAMOUS
Especially since back then gay literally only meant happy, they didn't change it until decades later.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 why you say them "Lesbian". They are literally just BESTie goals. There is nothings wrong with sleeping in the same bed and hugging each other while kissing. right?
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 and that past WAS awful, precisely because there were gay people and they had to hide because any clear implication of their involvement with a same-sex partner would result in ostracizing and violence.
@@Bazoogabooks And you know he's straight because I didn't hear him mention it.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 being gay in the 1890s wasnt really that idyllic though. Many gay couples lived like this, but usually ones that had some money. If you didnt have any money and you lived like this... you were most likely ostracised by the community
It would have been more realistic if the 1890 woman complaint about her struggles with her mansion and maids the same way moden women complain about their struggles now..
when my great grandmother reached an age where she had trouble getting around, my mother suggested it might be easier if she wore pants, she answered in an offended or disgusted tone, "I've never had on a pair of pants in my life!"
I was a bit confused who the modern woman was. The other looks like she's from the 1890s but the modern one looks like she's from the 1950s.
that's just how karolina dresses, she likes vintage fashion
Same
yeah lmaooo
Yesss
Nah the modern woman looks like 1980s rather
I mean, the conversation would have gone differently if she'd been talking to someone of a comparable social class.
Yeah but the joke wouldn't work that way
@@NatalleeK yeah it would be nearly as funny
Technically they were. The modern woman is mooching off her parents and relies on their status.
However woman from lower class would probably express the same opinion about "having cure for disease and not wanting it".
Exactly!!
My grandma born about the turn of the 20th Century. She was one of about 22 children, 17 of which survived to adulthood. Her parents were Blue Bloods and lived in a manor house, so they had plenty of money to care for them all, but I guess they really needed all of those bedrooms...
How disillusioned must someone be to believe that all women lived that comfortably in the 1890s...
issa jokee obviously this is only a rich 1890s woman's pov
A poor woman's POV would just be sad
Guys, she knows that most people actually had kind of/totally shitty lives back then, this was meant to have a funny and unexpected twist, not the most likely response.
I guess but wage gap is questionable since many say it’s not a thing no more and people who bring it up leave out details such as specifications of job such as men dominating stem science and stuff, men work more over time and so on. They argue there point with vague information. What I will give them is that there most likely SOME men who look down at woman in work place and not give them promotion if there qualified over a man. At same time there woman who easily climbed the latter using there bodies.
Finally someone with a brain in the comments
She needs to work on her delivery because it wasn’t funny. She took the stereotype of millennials which isn’t accurate and compared it to an upperclass woman from the past. It’s not even remotely the same. She could have done a much better job if she had compared say a barmaid from the past and a waitress now. But she took the wrong route.
@Theone Wolf yeah, kinda sick of every generation stereotyping every other generation instead of talking to them and getting to know each other.
@Theone Wolf I have no problem of talking to people of other generations and finds things funny that are. Making fun of different generations is not my idea of funny. But if you do, more power to you.
The Żebrowska challenge - guess which character is from 2021.
that's probably why the captions have Modern Woman and Victorian Woman to avoid confusion. 😂
@@angerykitty169 true :D
I thought the same thing.
It’s the woman wearing pink
At first I couldn't tell.
Everybody was rich. Okay. Choose a poor woman in next try
this video couldve been perfect, yet it went wrong in almost every way.
Thank you
Please elaborate
@@squidbro6635 Gender wage gap
"The wars, the political turmoil, the stinky air, the bigotry..." oh sorry youre not talking about 2021?
She otome isekai'd herself
Yeah, they talked about the equal pay thing not having been solved, as if bigotry isn't still a major issue.
Why is this not the top comment?
Uh I'm pretty sure 2021 dosen't compare to how it was then
@@Mitsuraga equal pay was solved.
Another proof that our meme mom is a vampire who has been around for thousands of years
I shall add this to my evidence file...
Well, at least 130
MATPAT WHERE ARE YOU FOR THIS
I mean it's canonical by now, right! She clearly doesn't even bother to hide it any more!
absolutely like she can’t even hide it now
I just love those videos where you play opposite yourself. You're a very good actress and editor... and the scripts are fun and instructive.
LOVE your creativity and ways of sharing your fine mind!
"what *have* you fixed" is the real question we all should be asking ourselves...
This question gives me anxiety
The right to own property independently, the right to custody of our children after divorce, Public information about how the female health works, tons of stuff that we shouldn't take for granted just because the goal post for equality is ever-moving.
I mean, quite a lot. Just because there is still work to do doesn't mean nothing has been done.
Especially after the huuuuge setback in Texas! 😖
Well you are
This is definitely the flip side of people romanticizing certain aspects of the past and saying things were so much better back then and how today sucks. I think we can all agree that we've definitely got some things that are better in modern times but in so many ways, it's still the same and we've still got a LONG way to go. Which I get is pretty much the point of the video, so.
Yeah! I think so too. But also, she is showing a whealthy person. I get things were not as bad or as nightmarish as we use to imagine, but the truth is that most victorian women(and people in general) had to work sixteen hours a day with little payment (kinda haha). So, it actually was not as romantic as I feel she constantly tries to make it look. On the other hand, you are right, we def still have a long way to go and this video shows!
@@luquetmora1810 Oh, I totally get that this is a wealthy person! I'm actually someone who thinks that okay, so maybe not everything was as bad as we thought back then (for a rich person) but like, y'all...we still have it SO much better these days. Haters, don't come at me bc I'm a fan of Karolina too, but it did kinda rub me the wrong way how this video in turn romanticized the past and made us modern folks seem silly for pointing out the lack of rights/privileges back then, which is objectively true. Not like today is perfect, but I'd still rather live today than back then.
some things are better, some are worse, but it doesn't matter since your needs are dictated by what generation you're born in anyway.
@@buckplug2423 you are right, our generation is no longer in need of having kids, in those times they were kinda obligated because of the death rates. I mean... 🙄
My response to anyone that says that is give me a time period, where things were so ‘great’ what they actually mean is that. Their was a period to me I’d say (90s/00s) were their was a myth of ‘post-feminism’ the idea that sexism wasn’t that bad and Feminism wasn’t needed. To the point we’re being ‘sexist’ saying awful things about women was normalised in the media. Look at old interviews, how they sexualised celebrity women don’t even get me started with the movies especially in the 00s. Everything was seen as ‘joke’ and not serious now that people are beginning (I don’t literally mean that) to question many things, people now say ‘everybody is so sensitive today’. When it’s not case, people have always been sensitive is just that you can longer get away with your ‘Jokes’ just an observation I’ve made.
"Some of you have never lost five children to typhus and it shows." I'm sorry, that had me cackling--
Should be renamed to "talking to a rich white woman from the 1820s"
My boyfriend and I actually write letters everyday. More people should try it, it's so much fun!
goals!
That's really awesome :D and sweet~
I wrote my boyfriend a letter for his birthday this year, I really want to start writing more letters!
That is so cool! Totally doing that with a partner in the future
But how you deliver them? The work hours my gf and I have are so awful we only have time to meet on weeknds, and not even every weekend
"It's been 130 years, what *have* you fixed?!" 😂
Ngl I'm always very jealous of the wooden libraries.
In seriousness, this is one of the best arguments I've ever seen for things like quotas... Yes, we could campaign for gradual improvement, but when it takes over a century....
I have a 100-year-old house with a wooden library. It's everything it sounds like (with ladder and all). We also live without AC in TX like 100 years ago. It's also everything it sounds like 🙃
Thats only the rich people haha 😀😖
@@LudmilaRamirez7 oh absolutely, and TBF if I was rich *now* I'd definitely have one added to my house lol
@@growingthehome that's amazing! Well, the library, rip for the air con though. I live in England and I'm starting to feel like we need air con with the warm summers... I can't imagine going without it in Texas!
@@kpwxx fr 😭🔥❤️
i'm sorry but you had a conversation from an exorbitantly wealthy 1% woman from the 1890s while portraying a working class woman from the modern era, or any era. the rich in the 1890s had an an insane wealth gap it was called the gilded age for a reason. we are still doing better than the poor from that time. of course she can't relate
"What HAVE you fixed?!" 😆
Ok can we just appreciate her acting in this, quick someone get a famous movie director and cast her as the lead in a historically accurate film!
I want to see her in the Polish version of “Jojo Rabbit” now
Exactly my thought.
@@vilena5308 yes indeed
@@Thobeian oooo maybe
I was thinking the same lol
This is funny, but not totally fair to be comparing a wealthy person from one time period to a middle class person from another. There are still people with maids and wooden libraries today.
Yeah and even that, being an Emma Bovary getting depressed in a wooden library for all my life is not a life goal
Despite modern media tropes about historical dynamics, being a butler/maid back then was actually a good and respected gig (most of the time).
@@g.i.r.l. they had a job
Was abt to comment this. There is no comparison to b made here
An unmarried woman in 1890 would certainly be living at home with her parents and if she was unmarried AND had a job that would only make things worse in the eyes of the society she kept, not better. Like, please, it's bad enough that you're unmarried at 27, at least don't embarrass us with a vulgar JOB. Instead of playing Among Us with her Facebook friends, she would be playing whist with her friends from her lady's club.
the wage disparity was fixed in 1963, if you are being underpaid for the same work, you need to sue.
Yep, the wage gap has been debunked
They weren't happy in the garden of eden and they'll never be happy
People in 1890: "in the future we will have flying cars, and we will also conquer space."
People in 2024: "I believe the garden of Eden was a real place and definitely not fictional."
@@Fightconnoisseur96 I mean, it's the Earth so...
This was so good: literally preach! that line “what have you fixed?” Is such an eye opener. Like our society spends so much time pitying the past and talking about how everything is so much better when we should really be more focused on fixing obvious problems
And we pity a fake past to make ourselves seem more progressive than we actually are. Medieval europeans had public bath houses, but most people think they didn't bathe or were able to read for example.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 Yea, you can blame the plague for making people afraid of bathing in water. But even then, people still used soap and linen cloths to clean themselves, not to mention people regularly changed undergarments.
@@peggedyourdad9560 Medieval peasant (il)literacy comes from a very simple misunderstanding. "Literacy" meant you read and wrote "the proper civilized latin language". When records say "peasants weren't literate" it just means they didn't read or write latin, they could absolutely write and read their own language.
The further back you go the more you realize how not advanced we are. Most cultures had telescopes and understanding of the solar system, the earliest plastic operations were done by an indian surgeon in 600 BC. They had eye lens operations. Rome had indoor plumbing and internally heated buildings. But then Rome and europe in general kinda exploded and the plague happened and a lot of stuff was just forgotten.
Or the loss of great civilizations or great libraries, so much knowledge lost. A lot of stuff is not being learned, but re-learned again.
Yes exactly! Those are all great points
like the climate change
"You found a cure and people don't want it? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?"
💀💀🔥🔥🔥
💀
I think, people would want a cure but perhaps no vaccine. A vaccine isn‘t a cure!
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 yeah, it's better because it actually stops bad shit from happening instead of decreasing the chance of getting completely fucked up by the illness that's already wrecking your body but only if you live in a country with free and actually working healthcare or are rich. Like, when the polio vaccine was created people were pretty much fighting each other in order to get it first and there is a reason for that
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 you're right, it's better... it's preventative healthcare!
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 is the best closest thing
We need more of these ❤
This is truly heee-freaking-larious! Thank you for the creativity!
Well, if she was working class, her life wouldn't have been this splendid.
that's the joke...
Are working class people of today's lives splendid?
They both aren't working class tbh.
@@mjm3091 I don't think we can really tell for the modern woman, I don't think there's enough context
@@LenaFerrari she lives in her parents basement and plays AmongUs, I think it is implied she isn't doing much in her life.
Plot twist: it’s Karolina reflecting on her past lives
No, it’s just when she was younger
I love this makes me wanna see a whole series of this
She blew it in the first sentence with "literally", the word every idiot misuses when they mean "actually".
Everyone’s a rich lady in her historical dreams. What about imagining yourself a poor working woman? There was/is a lot more of poor people than rich.
Kinda like how everyone was someone famous in their previous lives. No one was a galley slave or a dirt farmer.
She made a whole viral video about that a few years ago, it’s amazing!
Right, this argument would be almost non existent if they were both poor or both rich
"It's 130 years, what *have* you fixed?"
I don't know if I should laugh or cry about that...
I laughed because crying would give me a headache and solve nothing. Laughing is more fun anyway
Comparing the status of the average woman nowdays with an upper class woman would obviously not compare too well. I doubt the average woman back then could spend her time in the comfort of her home with her books. Also the adjusted wage gap (accounting for education/experience/hours worked/same occupation etc) is only 5% now. That's nearly fixed. If we could get "women jobs" (Nursing, teaching etc, which has more women) pay better tho, that'd be great, but that's more an economic issue than a feminist one I think. Men working "dirtier" and riskier jobs (on average, than woman) naturally should have decent pay as compensation, as well as STEM jobs that have more men in them based on personal choice, are simply more profitable, leading to an unadjusted pay gap.
@@FirsToStrike that's BS because when women move to STEM careers, adjusted for education and experience, they still get paid less.
So is not all "personal choice"
At least a husband cannot put their wife in an insane asylum for disobeying him.
Women in the 21st century can hold property and bank accounts in her OWN name, can vote, run for office. Something a 19th century woman could've never ever done.
Women of age are legally recognized as adults in a lot countries, something no woman in the 19th century had.
Im surprised this 19th century woman is still alive and not dead from delivering one of her 5 kids.
@@incisivecommenter5974 I have not seen any research yet about a gender pay gap in STEM that adjusted for hours worked, and I think that's ridiculous.
Moral of the story: everything sucks regardless of the time
You should have confronted two very rich ladies, or two "normal" ones...
Upper class Victorian woman: I'm just sitting here in my beautiful Victorian mansion while my maid helps me put a silk tea gown on
Lower class Victorian woman: Am I a joke to you?
@4Freedom4All yeah, its true, well for being fair most of people were unhappy in that time.
@@luzy6474 they were worse off as far as quality of life goes, but they were not less happy. Humans always adapt to our surroundings
@@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 you are right
No, that is absolutely not true......if I am maid or others ,some of them have a great relationship with their employer - or female master/owner of the house ,it was not always bad to live in someone's 🏠. being a servant.
the working class Victorian woman died before the age of 25
that's why we didn't get to hear her version
this was so well done lmao
"what have you fixed?" 😂
As an 27yo unmarried and unemployed woman who also plays among us with my friends more than I should, I have to say I feel very attacked right now, haha...
Right there with you. Damned if you do damned if you don't the goal of the enemy is to tear down their wife she can't really win either way because his ego and pride effects his decision making so I'm not sure how they considered themselves superior just for having muscles. The brain and intuition is a more powerful tool then his mouth and without women there would be no man. It would just be a planet of nothing ness.
Don't. This video's bullcrap. You don't need to marry to be worth it. Appealing to the male gaze is useless
@@crazyhairsinger you are really fun at parties 😂
Amogus
@@saturngirl3673 "the enemy" i can tell your fat and dont leave the internet or your bedroom
“Some of you haven’t lost 5 children to typhoid and it shows.”
Absolutely iconic
if we are office worker instead of boss’s daughters/sons/relatives now, we were probably servants back then.
1890: Well… at least the judgments of female beauty were drop, and now society stopped caring how woman look.
2021: ……
1890: totally unrelated, whats Tiktok?
I'd say it did in fact increase... In the past, most of the silhouette and female beauty standards were related to the figure of her dress and how they fashioned their hair accordingly, nowadays it's a lot more strict in relation to body type and to having the lastest piece of fashionable clothing that's mass produced and is going to be considered unfashionable in one year or two.
@@user-df8hl4zx2l Agreed- like you said, it used to be possible to 'meet the standard' via altering your clothing but nowadays we have to change our actual bodies or even have surgery to meet it. :/
@@user-df8hl4zx2l I mean, nowadays, being shunned and mocked because you don't look like a supermodel or 'like everyone else' is generally not the case. Sure, you might look kinda lame if you go out in nothing but a T-shirt, bermudas and crocs, but it's nothing that would get you weird looks for
@@364-unbirthdays8 Uhhh yeah no. When I was a teenager my mother shamed me because I was 10 lbs heavier than her underweight ass, and then a few years later I ACTUALLY gained a bunch of weight due to a hormone disorder.
You're only not shunned or mocked if you're skinny. God forbid you be fat.
@@ZombiesOhMyGod I'm not making light of your circumstance, but in this instance, I was referring purely to clothing.
You're twenty-seven years old, you've no money and no prospects. You're already a burden to your parents and you're frightened.
Hey but at least now we can be like that and not be shunned by all of society
Sadly not true. I’m in my forties. Have a house and a good job. But I’m single, and constantly feel I’m a burden on my parents and I’m also shunned by society for the crime of no one wanting to be with me. It’s like being punished for multiple things at the same time, but I still don’t know what I did wrong.
At least you know how to be a good impostor in AmongUs.
@@dees3179 it’s not your fault. Just because your single it does not mean you need to be ostracized . Maybe you are from a conservative country. Because in the west I have lots of single and gay friends that don’t really care about kids and even though someone judges them it does not mean all of society ostracized them. You will still have friends . Maybe your family just are too old school and that is bad . No one should be judged because they are single .
@@Orynae I know a lot of friends still on their parents basement but still they don’t care it’s their choice . They still have food shelter and whatever makes them happy. Though I don’t recommend this lifestyle. I m glad they are happy and not being killed or ostracized like back in the days
this should be longer
a conversation between women from different classes rather than different times
Different classes + different times
The title should have been: If 1890 year old Karolina had a conversation with a 2021 year old Karolina
So she is actually Jesus?
@@Future_Pheonix no... She was just born at the same time as Jesus... Wait-
Bold of you to assume Karolina isnt more than 2021 years old
Have you ever seen Karolina and Jesus in the same room? I'm just saying
@@woodfur00
I mean..
Karolina= immortal, called "mom/mother" by people.
Jesus= Can resurrect, potentially as a female?
Just a few points to consider.
Cure?
You think it's a cure?
That's not how it works.
Let me guess, you think autism is an air-borne infection?
That is a small percentage people who had money like that
"My Victorian mansion and my maids"
My ancestors to me : "My husband and three sons working in a coal mine, all dying from silicosis before turning 50, my alcohol addiction (weird hands as a legacy), my six home births alone (with the other kids around) and tuberculosis."
Social unfairness was a thing back then like nowadays but at least being a woman or a man was making no difference in terms of difficult living conditions. Otherwise the elite was very sexist and mysoginistic because they had the time and the money.
But she would definitely say to me : "Now stop whining and be a woman !"
That’s true . This lady she is representing is rich z she should make a proper comparison like a poor working class woman in 1890 . Because life back then according to my grandmother is very bad. This Victorian lady is just overly rich it’s UNRELATABLE
@@njrom2975 both are overtly rich. Do u have any idea how rich u have to be for u to be 27, unemployed, and living in ur parents basement and they’re just completely fine with it? Some people experience the smallest amount of struggle/stress and act like the world is ending
@@bigjoe1103 Wtf. I'm 24, unemployed because I can't find a job in my poor country, I still live with my parents, study and still have time to play some random games or watch some random videos on RUclips. That doesn't mean I'm rich. My parents work a lot to bring the money and support me with my studies, we live in a small ass house in a poor neighborhood and struggle to pay the bills so... No. Being 20+ and unemployed doesn't mean you have money enough.
@@pirouettee idk anything about u or ur country, so i doubt what I said applies to u. But here in the u.s., and specifically Southern California where I live, almost every women that I’ve met, over 20 and under 20, had a victim mentality and act like the worlds against them and have never worried about paying the bills or trying to make time to relax cuz all they do is relax and occasionally protest movements they don’t understand. Best of luck to u on ur studies
@Madeleine Heath lmao what do u know about me? Talk about bigotry
"At least the bigotry is gone."
*"Yeah, about that...."*
Compared to 1890 it might as well be.
Compared to the ideal of there being no bigotry on the other hand...
@@jorenvanderark3567 a whole country is all up in arms about hymen reconstructive surgery, in another country a teenager was boiled to death by her father because she refused a marriage, women islamic countries are considered half a man, homosexuality is illegal in 70 countries, znd we all how alive and well racism is and slavery is alive and well .. So yeah..
@@borednerd2100 it’s still comparatively better in America it’s unhealthy to not acknowledge the progress we’ve made it only breeds hopelessness
@@geekgirl616 why would you assume I'm American?
@@borednerd2100 I didn’t I’m speaking for myself the story is probably pretty similar where you’re from too if you live in Europe, Oceania, Asia, or almost any first world country.
We are biased to look at the past through the white and wealthy minority viewpoint. It is the non white non wealthy lives that have improved the most. The class of overlords is still enjoying those privileges.
This feel's pretty darn accurate to how a conversation would probably happen.
if an 1890 _ultra rich_ woman and a 2021 _working class_ woman had a conversation.
Yes finally . I wanted to point out this. Because HEr title is so misleading . Thankyou
I'd say she's acting as a middle class woman, actually.
Why are people getting so upset, this video is a joke not commentary on society. If this was a political commentator making a point on how the past was better than the present then I'd probably get pissed but this is literally a dress making RUclipsr
@@NatalleeK so? she is spreading misinformation by not disclosing that fact.
You can not convince me that this isn't exactly what Karolina thinks because she's an immortal being that transcends time and space
The 1890s woman would recoil in disgust at what has become of them
"What have you fixed?!" 🤭😆
I was once told by the curator of a historic castle that the medical professionals of the middle ages would be horrified that we haven't cured cancer by now. They were a lot more forward thinking than they are given credit for.
I was thinking about medieval hospitals with their large rooms and high ceilings to aid air flow and pig skin roofs to let light in the last time I was in a small, stifling and windowless hospital ward.
medieval hospitals were retarded lol, we have modern VAC systems, HEPA filters in hospitals today, wtf are you talking about. 😂
@@Danuxsy We may have all those things, but if the hospital doesn't feel comfortable to be in, and the one I was in certainly didn't, that affects a patient's well being.
That was the point I was making. The medieval medics may not have had the technology we have, but they understood the benefits of a comfortable environment on patients.
Hospital acquired infections are a much bigger problem now than when I was young. That's why people are sent home as quickly as possible after surgery. Until the last 20 years or so, large well ventilated wards with big windows were the norm. Now we rely on extra levels of technology to do what simple ergonomics used to. Some hospitals are using UV to "clean" operating rooms. Not because it is more efficient, but because it is cheaper than employing and properly training a human cleaner. UV can only kill germs that are not in shadow. Technology is not infallible and is often used to save money rather to improve patient care.
@@Danuxsy just because we HAVE those things at our disposal doesn’t mean that all hospitals USE them, unfortunately
"We" never will. There's no money in wellness.
Are you nuts? In medieval you wouldnt even have any painkiller or even a sanitaser, instead you wounds would be cured with hot oil and highly likely you would die from pain shock. Not even speaking about horribly dirty water (bc they didn't have any running water system and wc, you know, so everything went down rivers) and absence of basic understanding of hygiene. Back then a simple infection in your cut finger could mean death. If only all people with ideas like you could go back to times they think were better and try to actually live there.
this has the same energy as "I'm 27 years old, I've no money and no prospects. I'm already a burden to my parents and I'm frightened."
Oh good I'm not the only one who thought that
@@adedow1333 we're all 27 here
Karolino, droga imienniczko (nasze roczniki były zalane Karolinami, nie zaprzeczysz chyba :D)! Uwielbiam Twój kanał!
Oh I see what you did there Charlotte 😂
I thought the same !
I would go back. But I gotta have a horseless carriage and indoor plumbing or the deal is off. 😂
When you play make believe, the ending is only as good as your imagination
"Whenever someone says 'good old days', think one word: 'dentistry.'" - PJ O'Rourke
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Isn't it only the rich that can eat with sugar and much salt? (Sorry i don't really know about the time period) Meditteranean diet is still around today helping people with diabetes and providing healthy teeth
@@atisyahandari6468 No in the late 19th century sugar was pretty readily available. Probably since the Elizabethan era onward...
Yeah we get to work out of the home, struggle financially, raise kids, are expected to look our best, have our bodies come in and out of fashion, keep the house neat, etc….sounds like a dream! /s don’t even get me started on the black woman experience! 😅
Louder for the people in the back, expected to want to do everything AND look good doing it. That ain't it.
Assuming about the same as poor white woman
@@dakotamabry1645 Yep, except worse as being poor is in no way exclusive to white people, so it is possible (and due to systemic racism that affects pay in a similar way as sexism) even more common to suffer from poverty and racism at he same time.
Kind of like having covid and the flu, also in the sense that there are plenty of people pretending one or both of those do not exist.
@@dakotamabry1645 As a poor white woman, I don't have to deal with racism so no, not about the same. If there were a version of me whose life was identical to mine in every single way except that I was black- that version of me would have a more difficult experience because she'd have to deal with all the terrible things I've had to in my life... plus deal with racism on top of all that.
@@vadalia3860 I'm also a poor white woman I dealt with sexism and racism.. kinda sick of white people projecting black problems as if they dont go through the same crap every one else does .. tired of people telling black children that because they aren't " privileged " what ever that means they will never have the quality of life that everyone else has .. guess what I've met plenty of black families living more successful lifes then I have and with better paid positions.. I've also been harrassed and threaten by cops who overstepped their bounds.. the black, Korean and Hispanics at my school were treated the same and had no problems fitting in .. I can get along with everyone and treat them like a normal person and not feel sorry for them - that's not an accomplishment its common decency . I'm sure If i was black nothing would piss me off more then some random strangers automatically pitty me and assume i was poor and not smart enough to accomplish anything on my own . Get off your high horse
Some great humor here. Great hair styles!
this made my day! :) thanks
1890 Karolina: "At least you fixed the bigotry." 2021 Karolina: *looks away*
At least its no longer widely considered acceptable i suppose
@Drunken Duck except much of it is
@@zazhands8866 but it isn't as bad as 130 years ago
"Some of you have never lost 5 children to Typhus and it shows." Boy I almost woke up this whole townhome community at 4AM 🤣🤣🤣