What Did Smith & Wesson Fix On My Bodyguard 2.0?
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Got the Bodyguard back in today, so I thought I'd go over what S&W did to the gun.
Link to my article on the BG 2.0: www.primerpeak...
Link to the previous BG 2.0 video: • The S&W Bodyguard 2.0 ...
Link to ammo testing post-trip to the factory: • Testing the Bodyguard ...
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Wait a minute how can this be true, all the big Gun Tubers said it was flawless and the greatest invention since the wheel. This is killing my faith in YT reviews!
Bwahahaha
Yeah. I don't think I will be dealing with S&W, and I will be ignoring the big RUclipsrs re firearms
hey brother I purchased this firearm when it came out and the only issue I had was failure to feed problems with hallow point only . I took it apart and polished the feed ramp and barrel and never had an issue again with feeding, now the mag it is hard to put that 12rd in there but I just force and it goes in .
100% my comment.
Sorry to hear about all these problems...my 2.0 has been a snappy little beast with zero issues. In NJ, so just running 10 rd mags. Great gun.
Had just one problem with Smith, but it was a big one. In 2015 I bought a M&P .40 that I though was a good price, brand new, and a LGS. I went straight to the range with it, put a little oil on the rails, and fired a couple mags. I was lucky to get a 10" group with it. I field stripped the pistol and looked in the barrel, and it was completely smooth-bore. No lands and grooves. The only mark inside the barrel looked like a single small tooling gouge that ran about 3/4 the length of the barrel. I called Smith and even sent pics of the barrel. They said, "No way that's true, you would have to fire tens of thousands of rounds to make it smooth." They completely blew me off. I spent $120 on a new barrel and sold the pistol asap. Took several years (and the Shield Plus) to take another chance on Smith. Hopefully their quality control and customer service have improved since 2015.
Lol. That's sad. You should post stuff like that online for others to see
I love smith and wesson but you are 100% correct about their quality control. 7 m&ps and only one was good to go out of box.
Maybe.... next year, I'll consider buying this gun !
I literally bought one today. handled the showroom model and didn't think to see the one they actually sold me. the recoil spring is binding, keeping you from reassembling it easily and keeping it from going all the way in battery when its assembled. I'm honestly thinking about returning it rather then going through warrantee.
I had the same issue but talked to s&w, and they sent me a new recoil spring. Haven't had any issues after installing the new recoil spring. You might want to contact them. I had no issues with them responded fast and shipped me the new recoil spring right away.
The only two guns I’ve personally had experience with which came with problems is the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 and Wilson Combat SFX9. I have had lots and lots of pistols, but don’t usually buy sub $500 guns (exceptions are the Taurus TX22- no issues in 10,000+ rounds, and Bodyguard 2.0)
The Taurus g2c is fantastic. $220
When did you buy it? Wondering if it's been a while and QC has improved for this particular model
I bought mine midway through August of 2024. I think that the QC is improving a teeny bit, but based on what I saw at SHOT last month, I still don't think that it's good QC.
Mine has had a ton of problems. I had to put my bodyweight on the uplula loader to get the last round in, and then pretty much the same to get the mag into the gun. Ridiculous. S&W says there is nothing they can do about it because the magazines aren't theirs..?. The magazine breaks in more eventually and can seat into the gun with a good whack for me now. Main spring issues, feed ramp, site, trigger safety catches too early. This thing is tons of fun lol.
Yeah, they really botched this gun. I wonder who is making their magazines if they aren't actually the OEM for them?
Just got mine this past Sunday, haven’t got to shoot it yet. I noticed though it was damn near impossible to get that 12th round in too; I chalked it up to, “Meh, new mag, oh well. Probably need to load and shoot a few times.” After watching this video, I ran back to try and get that last round in and finally just got it in after grabbing my mag loader and using full strength to push that 11th round down. Throwing the mag back in was a bit more difficult too, requiring a harder slap to fully seat. Mine also has that protruding spring thing you mentioned, but I that was normal/by design?
Thanks for the vid.. I've got a BG 2.0 and have 3 issues. #1, sight was off.. front sight wasn't centered. I had that fixed. #2 Sometimes, my 10 round mag won't load pass 2 rounds... and #3, my 12 round mag won't drop, when I hit the mag release. It drops about a 1/2 inch, but won't fall out.
When 3rd round will not load, depress it's front half - that gets it past the follower sticking on the mag indent.
There’s a fix for the mag issue on RUclips, but I contacted them and they sent me a new mag. They new one does not have the loading issue.
Amazing they could have avoided a bunch of pissed off customers if they had just tested their shitty magazine design.
Dang. I just ordered one from Bass Pro Shop. I wonder if I can cancel my order.
I had the same problem with both the 10 and 12 round magazines. I loaded them, let them sit for a few days, unloaded them and took them apart. Adjusted the springs some (compressed and expanded), put it back together and was able to load 10 in the 10 and 11 in the 12. Again let them sit again. After a few days I was able to compress the 12 round magazine enough to slide the 12 round in. I am letting them sit compressed for a few days and will eventually empty them and see how hard it is to fully load them. I felt the springs are too strong or are binding when they try to compress inside itself. I noticed there are 2 areas where the spring is wider, which I assume the smaller diameter part can go inside a little. If true that is a binding area causing the spring not to fully compress. Next step will to put a LITTLE lube on the spring at the areas where the larger and smaller diameters are at, to see if that helps some. I have seen another video where the guy just worked the spring a lot and it started to work fine, so it just needs to be broken in. With that said, it makes me question how long the magazines will last. Will the spring tension weaken quickly? Time will tell.
I passed on the LCP MAX because it hurt my hand to shoot after 2 mags, which told me I would not want to practice with it. I want to replace my current 6 round .380 with a higher capacity gun. Capacity is my only motivation. I really did not like the snappiness of the original Bodyguard, but I had high hopes for the 2.0 version. I really appreciate videos like yours that shows the issue and your experience in getting it remedied. As a Journeyman Toolmaker I may have a better understanding of the faults and remedies than the average person. However, I am like you. A company that has been around as long as S&W should have manufacturing down to a science. No excuse for that step on the feed ramp. Also, semi-auto magazines have been made for a long time and in staggering quantities. How did they forget how to make them? If they are going to market the magazine as holding 12 rounds it is because it has passed all the testing and certifying processes to be approved. Yet.....here we are. No excuse for that other than not caring enough.
Anyway, I plan on waiting a while before looking into getting one for myself. It seems they need to learn a lesson as well as CHOOSE to make things right the first time.
It is super tough but I can get 12 rounds in mine. My issue is it is also tough to install a full mag. with one in the pipe.
Yeah, I ended up modifying the spring in the 12 round magazine to actually fit 12 rounds into it. A lot of force is required to get it into the gun with the slide forward.
My second 12 round mag was able to fit 12, albeit with some effort. It can get into the gun with the slide forward too, but it requires a ton of force.
Very same issue on my rear sight. Tried to drift it over with brass punch and hammer. No luck. Acts like its welded. Only other issue is the pressure needed to rack the slide. Hope it loosens up with use. Good video.
Thanks Dennis!
I'm pretty sure that S&W had to use a machine to get my rear sight out, and then reprofile part of the base of it to get it back in. The gun is hard to rack, but I think that's just inherent to the recoil assembly, and how the trigger/striker mechanism goes.
Thanks for commenting!
Mine has over 250 rounds through it with just the first mag having one FTF. I left the slide locked back for over two weeks and both mags filled before I shot it. All three springs eased up considerably. Just a suggestion.
I contacted S&W concerning the recoil spring assembly issue about 3 weeks ago. The person I was dealing with
was very pleasant (no attitude) and said they were aware of the issue and would get me a new part out as soon as they were back in stock. Today
(11/12) it came in the mail and unfortunately it was worse than the original unit. My spring is tucked in where it needs to be but still no joy. Could the cavity where the guide rod goes into be slightly undersized?
Update: I sent an email to S&W yesterday (11/12) telling them I received the replacement recoil spring assembly and that it did not work. This morning, customer service replied to my email saying they were sorry it didn't solve my issue and would be sending me yet another replacement. While I appreciate they're response, I'm afraid that I'm going to get another part exactly like the first two. Fingers crossed!
My BG 2.0 came out of the box needing an alignment. The slide rails crooked. The back rails seemed okay but the front rails were sitting lower in the frame and canted off to the right. S&W sent a shipping label after my fist email. Hopefully it won't take them too long to get that straightened out.
That's actually insane that there was an issue as severe as that. Finger crossed that they get the issue rectified fast.
@Paul_Whaley their email said repairs are currently taking 4-6 weeks. It's only been 3 weeks so far. Maybe it'll be ready by Christmas 🤞
Got it back. No repairs were made. I guess I'll go visit my lgs and see if he can get S&W fix it or swap it out.
@@russellpilot1875 Man, what a joke of a company. Hopefully your LGS can work something out with it, it's a shameful display on S&W's behalf.
To disassemble the slide completely and take the back plate off you must take off the rear sight. I used my sight pusher and still needed to put an extension on that to get it off. Thank you for the honest review.
The QC has definitely gone down with S&W. I got a full size M&P 9 recently and on the second mag the trigger went dead. I had to send it back for repair
What a shame. It pains me, as I really want to see the brand make a comeback, but that ain't gonna happen when the QC sucks.
Wow...my 2.0 Compact can't get enough ammo. 4000 thru it with one stove pipe today..The gun needed its 500 round cleaning. SW has been solid for me. I also have the FCP 9mm Carbine which is just flawless. Peace Peace
I had the original bodyguard, bought used and had every problem under the sun. F2F, F2E, Light primer strikes. The mag fell out constantly due to the recoil.
Although I really like this bodyguard 2.0 I'm extremely hesitant to purchase it because of S&W quality control and warranty issues.
My slide in pretty hard to take off and put on. It takes a good bit of force both ways. I emailed SW, but no reply. Also, mine shoots to the left, like other's. So i have to buy a pusher to fix that. First gun i've owned with any type of issue
Mine also shoots left. My sight pusher comes in tomorrow so i will adjust it and hit the range tomorrow, wed or thur.
I CAN get 12 rounds, that 12th round will NOT go by hand but WILL go using the Maglula and i have to PUSH that thing DOWN HARD to get the 12th round .... THEN it will NOT latch into place unless i open the slide because as you insert the mag, the gun IS pushing DOWN on the top round, but since its already TIGHT, it wont go up so the mag wont latch in on a closed slide.
Highway Patrolman. Great job. Very unbiased and honest review! I to had issues right out of the box. Pretty much the same as you had. Im still waiting for my return labels. I finally called Smith and they confirmed the issues. My biggest concern was the guide rod. They confirmed that it was an issue. They told me they would ship me a guide rod assembly when they become available. I also found that my gun is VERY ammo finicky. The gun will not go into battery frequently. Im hoping the new guide rod assembly will correct that issue. Im kinda regretting my purchase of this gun and disappointed in Smith for the handling of the issues. Im sticking with my LCP MAX for my edc for now. Ruger has excellent customer service and the gun runs great. Great job on the review! Im looking forward to your review on the LCP MAX!
S&W really has dropped in quality over the last 30 years. It's a shame, as they can make a good gun, but the rate that you'd actually get one is not great these days.
I'll be doing some more videos on the LCP Max soon. I covered it in my Pocket Pistol Roundup of 2024 earlier this year, but that was before I got really familiar with the gun. I'll be sure to put more time into it, and will do some tabletop vids before too long. I do have an issue, where my gun shoots rather low. I can shave the sights for that, but with the tritium, I do have some concerns.
A link to that article is here: www.primerpeak.com/pocket-pistol-roundup-round-2-2024/
Thanks for commenting, and thanks for getting to the Easter Egg in the video!
I tried shaving mine as well. I really messed it up. Ruger replaced the slide assembly no questions asked. Very quick turn around as well. I also replaced the trigger with an mcarbo uprade trigger and trigger spring kit. It really has made the LCP MAX a pleasure to shoot and gave me confidence to carry it. I hope someday I'm able to feel the same about the BG 2.0. Thank you for the reply!
Same here. With a laser on my Max I’m letting the 2.0 sit
@@yukoncornilias7013 Not doubting your post, but I read more that the MAX is not fun to shoot right off the bat without spending so much in upgrades.
Last 2 S&w I sent in for warranty were a joke on their part.
I have a 66-8 that is very rough from the kerf when they cut the forging, cylinder gap was at max (as new), and there was a good amount of end shake. They said it was within spec. 2 weeks wait.
A bg380 “1.0” had a bent frame rail and wouldn’t feed/extract without being hand manipulated. They said rail was within spec, but fixed the feeding issue by replacing the grip assembly. 5 months wait.
Lol do you plan to keep buying shit from them, after all that ?
My main carry is a kimber k6s, if I’m going “micro” it’s the bodyguard 1. I don’t plan on buying anything for a while being poor and all but honestly I’m not aware of any manufacturer that deserves blind loyalty at this point.
@Stew-rl9qk sounds like you should sell both of those and buy a glock 43x and have something that is reliable, tried and true while still staying in the realm of a smaller pistol.
I have a g26 and it stays home. I’m good with what I carry. If I was going to go with a 43x I may as well carry a 19 at that point.
@Stew-rl9qk you pick shitty guns. Have some self-respect and DO BETTER.
when I first got mine I had issues with failing to return to battery and failures to eject. After approx 150 rounds the problems all went away. I did polish the feed ramp with a dremel and fitz polish but no idea if that helped more than the break-in
Ya I'm dealing with s&w my shield plus carry comp front sight literally flew off my second time shooting it maybe 50 rnds on a new pistol and the front sight just slides back and forth in the dove tail they told me 4 to 6 weeks before I get it back
That is a nightmare. I'm sorry to hear that.
Mine came with the front sight installed backwards. S&W had me send the gun back to have that swapped around and check the gun over top to bottom. Love the gun, but oof... that's a pretty big mistake to let leave the factory. If you're really test firing the gun, you should notice the lack of a glowing front sight. Anyways... no failures other than failing to hold open on last round. That could be my hand placement, but every time I've pulled the trigger it's gone BOOM and been ready for the next round.
Truth be told, I don't think that S&W is test firing the guns at the factory. The 43c that I bought in April did not fire on 2/8 of the chambers, which would have been seen if they tested it.
In the 10 years I have had S&W firearms I've only had 2 problems. Customer service was perfect both times. I called, spoke with a rep, we discussed the problem, they sent me a return label the same day,I sent them the gun, they fixed the problem quickly, I received the gun promptly, end of story. I'm sold on S&W.
I'm happy to hear that your CS experiences with them have been good, but mine in 2024 have certainly been less than stellar.
The BG 2.0 required emailing between a bunch of departments, and took about 5 days to get an RMA label. Now, the gun was gone for two weeks, so that was pretty quick turnaround time.
For my 43c back in May, that was a phone call, and leaving a voicemail. They never returned the voicemail, so I ended up emailing them, and getting a prompt reply back with an RMA label. That gun was gone for a while, just about two months.
A big thing is that S&W has overhauled how their CS works for warranty work. The staff that I contacted in May was entirely from Mass, but for the BG, it was staff in TN. However, the TN produced, TN CS'd gun went to Mass to get worked on.
The long and the short is that all of S&W's elements have gotten worse as time progresses. I don't know if either of your times that you've had to work with their CS was in 2024, but I'm guessing that it was not, and it was before they totally changed how it is done. Trust me, I'd rather do a simple call than to get bounced around between a half dozen employees.
Thanks for commenting!
do you work for S&W?
My bodyguard does have the MIM ledge, but so far no feed issues. Knock on wood. I've been using Underwood XD in it, which many testers have had issues with that round in the BG 2.0.
I have experienced difficulty reinserting the recoil spring. On my pistol, the front end of the recoil spring tends to almost escape the recoil guide. It gets caught on the retention disk, preventing the spring from compressing. When that happens, I use a small screwdriver to tuck the end down behind the retainer, and then I can reassemble as normal.
Had to go to ball ammo only. I like Underwood Xtreme Defender but can't use. Actually jammed the gun. Crushed the case getting the gun apart.
Using the mag loader that comes with the Ruger LCP Max, I can get all twelve in. the thing I notice though, is that the mag seems to bulge out a bit on the twelve round one. So far no feeding issues but I haven't tried hollow points yet. Wasn't the Highway Patrolman a S&W revolver?
I think I need to lop the bottom loop on the magspring off of my 12 rounder. I took it apart, an the design of the floorplate/locking tab/spring is really strange. I'm not surprised that you've got the magazine bulging, as they did some work to make these tiny mags hold 12, and I think it may have been a bit of a compromise.
And yep, the Highway Patrolman is an older S&W revolver! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I had an issue with loading the 12 round mag. I seen another reviewer that had something (plastic, so it didn’t ruin the inside) and compressed the spring repeatedly the loosen it up. I tried this and I must say it worked and the mag went in a lot easier as well. I would say the mag springs just needs to have a break in period and doing this just speeds up the process without having to fire rounds through the gun
I've done quite a few compression cycles on the magazine now. It is looser than it was before, but I still cannot get the 12th round in there. I'll be ripping the mag apart soon, and seeing if the spring is possibly bound up internally.
Thanks for commenting Greg!
I have the same issue. @@Paul_Whaley
I have had failure to feed, but only on Underwood Extreme Defenders. Mine might have feed ramp issue too, I need to better examine mine. Magazine issue is a problem. I have gotten 12 rds in mine with supreme effort, and I got it to latch in place again with serious force. Trying to leave gun like that when I am not using it to break it in. Other than that, my biggest complaint is the rear sight. Unlike the LCP max which has a rounded off top of the end of the slide, BG 2.0 has a squared off end. The sights come back to the very end. The problem I have is that the sights protrude and have a very sharp edge that cuts into my belly when carrying AIWB. I guess I could file off the edge on the sights.
These guns really a bit of a mixed bag. It's a shame that the consistency just isn't there. I agree about the sights, they're thin and sharp. Between carry and the sight picture being pretty open, I'd be happy with a replacement in the future.
Thanks for commenting!
Mine didn’t have the MIM ledge, and shot great. But they forgot to install one of the rear frame coin pin
I own a Model 28 Highway Patrol, second firearm I owned after a JC Higgins bolt action 22. The Model 28 was a high school graduation gift from my parents. After letting the 12 round mag sit for a month with 11 rounds in it I had to fix the red plastic part so it would feed. Now it holds 12 rounds and functions as it should. I haven't tried puching the rear sight yet, that is the next fix.
Highway Patrolman - Smith & Wesson Model 28. Great video, and I'm hopeful that they have resolved all the guns issues. I got to see one for the first time today and am very impressed with everything I say. It's on my high priority list.
Well, live fire testing will show if their effort to fix it actually works. Thanks for commenting!
I got one for Christmas and it shots down to the left badly , just eyeballing the sights it looks good to my laymen's eyes. Not sure what to do as the gun shops i visit or the one I bought it from aren't any help at all. Thats what i always hated about buying guns , if you have any troubles your just screwed. Anyone know of any good gunsmiths or gun shops that handle this kind of stuff in the Atlanta area? I've got 2 other guns i need fixed as well.
Yeah, it's a mess with new guns. The gun shooting left can certainly still be happening, even with the sights centered in the dovetails. I had to drift my rear sight over quite far to the right to make it shoot to the sights correctly.
I have a BG 2.0, Shield Plus, 3.6 2.0 compact and a Sport III rifle, the pistols have been great but the rifle is still unproven as I just got it. I hope you don’t encounter anymore problems!
Fingers crossed that my BG 2.0 is working better after a trip to the factory!
Hey Just to let you know, some guy had a very good video investigating the issue with the point of aim. Like everyone it was shooting left. He proved that the gun is zeroed fine. The issue is because the size if the grip is so small the normal grip we use for, is pushing left. When you switch to the left hand it shoots right. I will try that too next time. What we need to do is to hold a tiny bit different. Look for the video.
Regarding the feed ramps you must polish them. I did all of mine. Zero feed issues (not that i had any before).
I can confirm that mine was not zeroed properly from the factory, and that the sights needed drifting. I was testing the gun with both left and right hand as the primary shooting hand, and WHO.
One of the issues is that the sights weren't zeroed on my gun, and then you have a ton of air in the rear sight, which makes it very hard to actually get a proper, centered sight picture.
I just got mine and don’t have any feeding issues. but the sights are way off and I couldn’t load more than 2-3 rounds in the 12 round mag. I got a replacement mag from S&W, but dealing with their customer service was a joke.
Other videos have noted that the plastic cap at the top of the mag has two "horns" on the bottom that catch in the holes at the top of the mag, disassembling the mag and using fingernail clippers to cut them with an angle that keeps the cap from catching the holes fixes that issue.
When I got my Shield Plus recently, I could not get 13 rounds in the 13 round magazine at first. After sitting a day with 12 rounds and with it inserted into the pistol, I was then able to add a 13th round to the magazine but not insert it into the firearm. After another couple of days with the magazine loaded with 13 rounds, I was able to insert the magazine with the slide closed and a round in the chamber if I used great force. I am now ready to take it to the range this coming weekend. NOTE - it was easier to insert 13 rounds into the 10 round magazine with the "13 round Magguts extension" than the OEM 13 round magazine that it came with. And that fits easily into the firearm. I have the OEM stock 10 round, one modified 10 > 13 round, and the OEM 13 round to try out.
The 12 rounder spent a lot of time loaded to 11, and in the gun, prior to sending the gun into S&W. I also did quite a few compression cycles (loading and unloading the magazine). Even yesterday, I could not get more than 11 rounds in the gun.
Well, I went and lopped part of the bottom loop of the magazine spring off. The 10 round magazine uses a different spring design than the 12 round one. It is a tapered spring, that goes from thinner loops at the top (where the magazine bottlenecks down to single stack, and wider at the bottom. The 12 round one is a messy design, with different sized loops all throughout. With chopping off most of the bottom loop of the spring, I can now fit 12 rounds in the gun (by hand, but still with considerable force), and it can fit in the gun with a closed slide, again, with a lot of force. I'll be testing the gun later this week, so we'll see if it works.
Thanks for commenting!
I am having this same issue, unable to chamber my 10 round mag without extreme excessive force. Is this a break in period? Did yours get better over time?
@@permitted_277 mine has improved over time. When I remove the magazine it goes back easily. I’ll check it again this weekend by emptying the rounds, and reloading them back into the magazine without my Lula loader.
@@LarryGanz is there anything I can do to expedite this process ? I’m wondering if it’s a magazine issue or if I need the feed ramp to be polished
@@permitted_277 I don't see what the feed ramp has to do with the issue we're talking about. I think we're talking about the magazine spring being too tight to easily load it to full AND to then insert the full mag into the grip, where the spring must compress even more on the full mag to lock the magazine into place. This just got better for me with repeated forceful insertions of the full magazine over time, several times over a series of a few days.
I have a Shield PC, a M&P9 2.0 Compact, and a M&P22 Compacrt all work flawlessly. I have a Bodyguard 2.0 on order and expect the same. If the ramp needs polishing, I can do that. If the mag spring is tight, it'll loosen up. If the sights are off, I can drift it. I'm hoping the recoil spring is good. It seems most are.
I've watched maybe 30 ish RUclipss about this gun. I have a perfect P238. Regardless of the capacity benefits, (13 vs 8 [if you actually could load the 12 round mag to spec]), I think this thing will end up on the scrap heap: it is cheaply made and as you report, minimally supported. With no question, given the popularity of this concept it will soon have better-made competition.
I think that you can put in a ton of effort to get the gun working, but that then creates the question; Is the juice worth the squeeze?
I write for a site as part of my living, so I'm fine seeing how hard I need to squeeze to get that juice. However, for the normal buyer, I don't think it's worth the time. I hope that that this gun leads to more rejuvenation into the small, locked breech .380s, as the guns are really easy to carry and hide, and can shoot well (when made properly).
And like you've found, if you've already got a good carry gun, there's no need to try and replace it with a project gun.
Thanks for commenting!
I only had a 5 minute convo with their customer service and they sent me a return label straight away. Mine shipped off last week so I haven't got it back yet. I had issues with feed ramps and not feeding hollow points, sights were off and the guide rod spring kept coming off.
Thanks for the info! They did say that they were in the process of hiring more staff/training them when I spoke with them last month, so maybe they ironed out some of those kinks in the weeks to follow.
@@Paul_Whaley Well? I guess that's understandable, since they've only been makin firearms, since 1852...
@@Paul_Whaley Hireing more staff? Training them? These are people going on a job making an item you bet your life on.... And theyre having all these problems? Just keep what you got, or buy a PPK. Forget this lemon.
@@MadMomma-kj9ks I've already got guns for my carry and defensive uses. Part of my livelihood is writing for a website in which I do a lot of articles, but a lion's share of them are reviews. The BG 2.0 is a gun that I am actively testing, and making videos about the process is part of that testing protocol.
Unfortunately, all guns are products. These products are made by people, and as we've seen, people are certainly fallible, as are the processes for making these guns. Guns that are being made well might be made poorly in the future, and vice versa. S&W didn't use to have these issues, but here we are.
This may not work for your mag.. BUT I also could not get the last round in the 12rd mag. With 11 rounds in I took a bic pen and pushed down on the last round, depressing it as far as I could and BAM now I can load it fully by hand (its still pretty stiff, but no longer inpossible). Ymmv
It sounds like the magazine may not have been fully compressed at the bottom, or was having trouble seating onto the rails in the bottom of the mag. That extra pressure seemed to work on yours, which makes sense.
For me, I tried everything, and just ended up trimming the spring down a little. I cover it in another video on the channel. Magazine has been 100% reliable, and holds 12 rounds now.
Glad I saw this, another thing to look for. Still planning to buy, had seen previous videos where the sights were off but otherwise great reviews.
Failure to feed frequently.
Mine they said they polished the feed ramp (which I'd already done) and they fired ammo at the range. They didn't say how many or what kind of ammo.
I hate that they don't provide a detailed report when you get the gun back. Doing work without confirming that it made a difference is just poor on their part.
I purchased 2. One is flawless but the other jams so bad that I have to press the slide against the range table to clear the gun. Sent it back to Smith for warranty. Got it back after 6 weeks and it fired 2 mags before jamming the exact same way. I think mine has to do with the guide rod spring. I've not even called Smith back yet. I'm kind of disgusted with it. I got similar vague notes of what they did to the gun.
It really is a messy process with this gun.
5 months and 700 rounds mine has been flawless with cheap HP and flat nose. Sight is just a hair low left but not bad. I can get 12 and 10 rounds using my pink Lula, it did help to keep them loaded full since day one. Yes its tight but I can hand load the 10 rounder without the Lula. Yes I have to smack the back to load a full mag with one in the chamber. I polished my ramps on day one like I do with all my pistols and yes I had the slight bump I mostly removed long ago. It was not perfect out of box but it works reliable for me, same thing with my Toyota.
Thank you for doing a video I was going to buy this gun today or tomorrow .. feed ramp issue and the mags I know of . And sites ..
Regardless of the issue with the feed ramp .. I would not be shooting hollow points through a 380 pistol . Lehigh defense. G9. Underwood defender or penetrator Bullets like those I would use or full metal jacket .
After holding the gun I realized this is really inexpensive made .
That being said . I had issues with my 365 when I first got it. .
The crown was deformed after a few hundred rounds..
Service seemed the same as yours . Even the letter they sent with it seemed similar to yours , ..
I’m sure you realize you should not shoot plus P through that .
Initially, I was going to wait to buy this , thinking they will work the kinks out of it .
Decided to take my chances
Thanks again
Sent my 1st gen Bodyguard 380 back 4 times in 9 months. They always kept it 1.5 months or more every time. Always received my return slip right after the phone call. I can't get 12 in my Mag either. It feeds everything though. Ball and defensive loads like Underwood defender and penetrator all run. I'm waiting for an aftermarket recoil spring. Hope someone makes one soon.
Thanks for the info! The "S&W Experience" certainly seems to be different from gun to gun, and person to person.
Great video. I bought 2 of these. No problems with feeding after polishing the feed ramps. Both will eat anything I have put through them. One of the recoil assemblies was slightly bent and the spring hung up trying to reassemble the fire arm. Called smith a month ago and still have not received the new assembly. Other than that both very reliable. Thanks.
It's a shame that they're taking so long to get you that new assembly. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't making spares right now, and are just rushing out new guns.
Buy the Hilljak QL380M. It works wonders for getting that 12th round in the mag, and works on both the S&W BG 2.0 and the Ruger LCP Max.
This is just my two cents but I have more than several Smith & Wessons including four M&P hand guns. The only issue I’ve ever had was with the M&P .22 rifle that I bought when they first came out which has been a long time ago and it was failure to feed. I contacted S&W they sent me a shipping label and I got it back ten days after I shipped it. They sent a short letter explaining that the spring in the magazine was too weak. S&W either repaired or replaced the two magazines I sent in with the rifle and also sent me an extra one for my trouble. Customer service was excellent and the rifle runs great but as everyone that likes to shoot.22’s know, occasionally you will get a bad round which is the only time I have a malfunction. I don’t know if their customer service is as good as it used to be but S&W seems to have a growing fan base. I have other firearms that I love but have to say that S&W has always been my favorite. Sorry some of you are having troubles and hope everything works out and everyone is happy. Maybe I’ll see y’all at the (outdoor) range !!🔫😀
Just curious, but did the manual say to adjust the POI by moving the rear sight? I know that's standard, but the manual for my Shield Plus said to make sight adjustments by moving the FRONT sight (which was also a PITA, by the way).
So, my BG 2.0 came with the manual for the old Bodyguard (strange). That manual tells you to adjust for windage via the rear sight.
The front sight on this BG will move a lot easier than the rear. I am able to move it ever-so-slightly with a pusher now, but we're talking like fractions of fractions of an inch requiring a ton of force to make it work.
So what similar gun would you recommend? I am just now shopping.
I'm currently also testing the Ruger LCP Max, and the G42. Both guns have worked more reliably than the BG 2.0, and have certain features that are better.
The G42 is larger and holds less rounds, but can be fitted with much better sights, and is much lighter recoiling. It's a gun that I would feel comfortable making a 30-50 yard shot with.
The LCP Max is a lot closer to the BG 2.0. The sights are just as open, but are a little less bad, as they actually shoot to POI, within reason. My gun shoots a little low, but height is a lot easier to adjust to than windage is. The LCP Max also has a very large aftermarket, which is great for holsters, recoil assemblies, and other parts.
If you broaden to pocket guns as a whole, you've got a smattering of revolvers (like the LCR), and other small guns, like the LCP Lite Rack and the Taurus TUC 22.
@ Thank you for the feedback. What have you found is reliable in 9 mm that could be concealed carry?
@@dry509 I've carried a lot of different 9mm guns over the years. Generally speaking, it's easier to get a reliable 9mm than it is a smaller gun in .380 or .32.
Right now, I'm mostly carrying Glocks for my 9mm guns. The G43x and G48 are both fairly thin, fairly small, and shoot quite well. They've both also got great aftermarkets too. When I'm carrying a larger 9mm, it's a G45 (full size frame, medium length slide). I've got videos on my G48 and G45 here on the channel, in which I show the holsters I use, and modifications I've made to the guns.
Going broader, I've carried guns from HK, SIG, S&W, Beretta, Tisas, and more. There's a lot of good options out there, it's just a matter of finding something that feels good in the hand, and has some sort of good track record. Doing a lot of research into reviews and testing is a good thing too.
From HK, I've carried the P30 and VP9s. The VP9 is a really quite good gun, just a little bit big for most folks to conceal well. The VP9SK (small version) would likely be a good candidate for a carry gun.
From SIG, I tested and carried two P320s (M17/M18) during COVID. The guns were fine, but with the safety concerns with those guns, I would avoid them.
Despite my gripes with S&W, I still like a lot of their guns. The original single stack Shield 1.0/2.0 are guns that I really like, and have owned 3 of over the years. They're thin, (generally) reliable, and are pretty easy to shoot well. They have a robust aftermarket too, which is great. The larger M&P 9 line is generally good too, and the poor QC doesn't seem to have impacted it as much as the revolvers and the newer Bodyguard.
With Tisas and Beretta, those are heavier steel/aluminum framed guns. They're not as easy to carry, due to the weight and size. That being said, the Beretta 92, and many of the Tisas 1911s are quality guns.
I hope this helped a little! If you have any questions, I'm happy to help with answering them.
@ Awesome… very helpful.
Personally I've seen a huge uptick in quality control issues across many different types of consumer products I've purchased over the past two years. I've dealt with so many returns and exchanges.
Yeah, it's pretty bad across the board these days.
@@Paul_Whaleywhat we need more of is people like you who are not afraid to speak up and voice objective constructive criticism. It’s appreciated, and with a little humility I would hope S&W appreciates it too.
@@goldistocks609 I appreciate the kind words! Unfortunately, there are a lot of people on the take these days (Leviathan Group shills for example), and that makes it hard to find honest videos. I'm not on any gunmaker's payroll, and I'm not afraid to speak my honest mind about what they've botched.
I've had a lot of folks say that I must hate S&W, but I'm just pointing out what they've screwed up on the guns that I own. I do the same for the other brands that I've owned and tested, as any company can have QC foibles. It really becomes an issue when the occasional lemon turns into the standard procedure.
I just checked my bodyguard 2.0 the W was always inside the slide. Sorry, you having issues with yours, but mine runs flawlessly Even the extra two 12 round magazines I paid for.
It's got to be a quality control thing. I just got mine and 1 I have A LOT of FTF until I get to 5 rounds in the magazine. At that point if feeds the last 5 perfectly. 2 my 12 Rd mag holds 11 and my 10 round mag holds 9. They still will not seat properly so it's more like 10 and 8 if I want them to function like they should
It takes considerable pressure to get 12 rounds into the magazine and the fully loaded 12 round mag into the gun. It can be done. The more the pistol is used the easier it gets. Mine shot to the left so I drifted the front sight and now it shoots to center at 10 yards. That's an individual shooter thing to me, the sights were centered from the factory. It has fed everything aside from the Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics hollowpoints with very jaggery noses. I had a Glock 42 previously, this S&W is much superior.
I've done a ton of compression cycles on the magazine, and it's not getting any easier. I've ordered a new 12 round magazine, and will compare them down the line.
Great video! One problem I have seen on a few of our students Bodyguard 2.0 is an almost impossible to operate safety. such a problem I made a video on my Chanel on how to deal with it and how to fix the issue without having to send the gun back to S&W. Otherwise I love that new little pistol!!!
Yeah, I've only heard negative things about the safety on the BG 2.0. I've yet to see one in person, but it sure looks a lot like the safety on the Shield, which is pretty meh.
Thanks for doing a video on how to fix it! For the average person, needing to ship a gun back to the manufacturer for RMA work is a difficult process, so being able to fix things without needing to do that is certainly good to see.
It gets a little easier with a lot of flipping- still very tight and positive- that’s kinda what I want for this gun since it’s pointed at my junk all day. I have had other cc guns have the mag dropped or the safety disengaged just from carrying them but this model is tight- one of the few striker fired pieces that I’m comfortable cc. Normally I prefer sa/da hammer fired guns for chambered EDC
I have not seen your how to fix video. I followed someone else’s advice and sat and worked the safety 100 times to “break it in”. At 100 it was about right, and after about 10 more it broke and would not stay on or off. I would not recommend this particular “fix”. 8 weeks to get it back from the factory.
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Typical S&W, all marketing and sponsorship hype. Same with their M&P line.
I think that there is merit to the M&P line, namely the Shields (non EZ guns, those ones are pretty much junk), and the full size M&P 9. S&W tosses the M&P name onto everything these days, when historically it was only on a few guns in the past.
I have the same issue with the 13 and 15rd mags for my Shield Plus where the last round will not go in. Got new springs and followers which did nothing. Seems to be common.
Oof, that's a shame. I'm going to tinker with my 12 rounder to see if I can get them working, but we'll see. Thanks for commenting!
@Paul_Whaley I did a little modification to the followers which helped. Also tried clipping off one coil from the spring which also helped. Smith sent me new followers and springs to try. The followers were the same but the springs were different.
Clue to fixing the 12 rounders and 10 for that matter the followers are bottoming.
@@KBMC4 Actually they were not, the springs were binding on themselves and also on the follower legs.
Lcp Max Ruger...is the gun
Same issues as others. Front sight off, 12 round magazine barely fits 11. Shot multiple brands of ammo, only issue was Critical Defense. Everything else fired away.
It's a shame that they cannot consistently make these guns work. Thanks for commenting Eric!
My issue... even after cycling/loading some 800 rounds the 12-round mag will NOT accept 12 rounds.
11'th- round is difficult and #12 is impossible.
I contacted S&W and just today another 12-round mag arrived and unfortunately it shares the same problem > > > the 12'th round will NOT go in.
I 'believe' when the mag spring is compressed there simply isn't enough room for the 12'th round.
Even with a mag-loader the 12-round mag will NOT accept the 12'th ... the 11'th round is barely doable.
No problem with the 10-round mag.
Oh, my 2.0 arrived with the front sight favoring the right side.
I have the same trouble with my gun it's a bodyguard not a 2.0 it can not run a full magazine without failure to feed
Don’t know why anyone would be upset with your review. I just got a BG 2.0 and have experienced a couple of issues as well. There are too many people with the same issues for it not to be QC. It’s a new gun, we bought early. Stuff happens on new guns. It is worth dealing with these issues. The gun is just that good! It is a master piece of ergonomics. A gun this small that I can get my pinky on is remarkable. Low bore axis makes it shoot amazing.
I appreciate the kind words.
Sure, if I was the only person having issues, that would be suspect. However, it seems like all of the guns are having some flavor of problem, and a lot of folks are having multiple issues at the same time. I bought it to test, and I'm going to keep doing that, as the gun is an advancement in ergonomics.
I had to send a new bodyguard 1 I purchased in June 24. The magazine dropped out when I shot it, the slide didn’t lock all the way and when I ejected the empty magazine the slide released forward. They had it 6 weeks. Works sometimes now, not really perfect by any stretch. Every American item I have purchased by several companies has required a send back of refund. I think S&W quality is about like Taurus now. I’m done with them. Some guns are ok but I must have bad luck.
Truth be told, I think that Taurus does a lot better for the money than S&W does. It's really a shame. Thanks for commenting!
I have a feeling the mag spring itself isn't nesting as designed. Either its not seating in the correct place or it has a defect from manufacturing or assembly.
Also: Model 28!
Thanks for watching all of the way through!
I'll rip the mag apart this weekend, to see what's up with it. I would not be surprised if it was assembled improperly from the factory, or was made with some defective issue.
Bought mine 9/6/2024. Had it at the indoor range twice. Today is 11/19/2024 and still in the process of allegedly being repaired for the second time as stated prior. DO NOT BELIEVE THE NOTABLE REVIEWERS.
Trade in value is zero.
12 round mag? I've seen reviewers having issues with fitting the last round in the Shield Plus pistols when they first got released. Seems like they are assuming you're gonna carry with one in the chamber..thus "12 rounds"..idk?
Well, the mag has a 12th round witness hole, so I think that they want it to properly hold 12. That being said, I don't think I'm getting 12 in mine without modifying it.
The only issue I have is that the front site is not centered.
Same with mine. Site is visually way off to the right and POI is left.
I HAVE ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS. The gun is practically useless as it stands. and it catastrophically fails with any flat face ammo.
Polish the feed ramp and the inside of the barrel and try it again
Polish!! Mine doesn't for some reason, but I will polish it non the less.
I sent back a new 38 because it looked like someone threw it across the parking lot before they blued it & they didn't write one word on the repair form.
Highway Patrolman Model 28
Great video…thanks! 👍
Thanks for watching till the end Charles!
It appears that the s&w bg 2.0 has been a great success i understand they are back ordered. I have a g42 with a pierce +1 extension for a total of 8 rounds. I have shot it enough to trust this combination. The grip extension gives the gun much better purchase. Glock is a combat weapon they are extremely reliable although you must remember with these small guns to grip them firmly because of the light weight and low recoil it is easy to limp wrist them. I belive i will keep my g42 and pass on the 2.0.
Glock 42 is a great gun, and I'm not letting mine go anywhere. Thanks for commenting!
Mine is a jam-o-matic. Every brand/type ammo I try fails to feed. My 12-round magazine only holds 11 rounds, and my rear sight is not centered which results in it not shooting at point of aim.. my Glock 42 is head and shoulders above this gun. Going to contact smith and wesson this week and see about returning it for service. Not real happy with this gun.
Yeah, it's really a shame how hard S&W dropped the ball here. I really dig the G42, and truth be told, I much prefer the shooting characteristics of that gun.
Other than the front sight way off center, mine has been flawless and accurate- only 300 rds through it though
i can get 11 round by hand but that 12th MUST be done with the Maglula ....
Also same issue, with 12 rounds it will NOT insert and latch unless the slide is open so its only going to be 12 rounds total.
Had the same issue with my Canik 18 round ProMag .... that 18th round was a PITA to get in but leaving it loaded with 18 rounds for over a weak and using it several times loosened up the spring so now i can load 18 and insert into a closed slide.
Hopefully this mag spring does the same thing and gets loose after a week or 2.
Next about the tech reports, i have techs that have the same issue and their repair "narrative" or repair "report", its like they really dont know what they fixed or cant write out "what" they did as if they have a writing comprehension issue. I have to call them and ask what they fixed and they have to tell me verbally. Some of those reports im like WTF .....
S&W model 28 was the highway patrolmen pistol
Most of the guns I own are S&W. I sure hope they don't turn into a crappy manufacturer. With all the competition out there, they should be No.-1 in customer service.
You'd hope, but they've been letting me down a lot over the last few years. I really hope that it turns around, but the company is only as good as the stuff that they are currently making, and the current stuff is pretty prone to problems.
Again Paul, I really appreciate your detailed subjective review and providing the results of your experience with S&W Customer Service. As I posted on your original video on this, I agree with you. I really wanted this gun to be my pocket carry. I have done some "gunsmithing" on it and will be doing more testing Jan 4th. If it will go 1,000 rounds with ZERO failures, I will consider it as option to my P365 micro as my CC or EDC. It is so sad and rather pathetic that S&W has botched what could have been the pocket carry handgun of the decade.
Truthfully, I really, really wanted to like this gun. I'm still testing mine, but all of the tinkering just to get the gun working has been a pain. Getting it to shoot the sights hasn't been the easiest thing either, which is really a shame.
I did manage to get 12 rounds in my first 12 rounder (got another video on the channel in which I go over that), but that required even more modification to get to that point.
Thanks for following along for the journey here. Fingers crossed that you're gun is going to continue working. I agree that it would be the best pocket autoloader on the market if it worked well. It's hard for me to recommend a gun to anyone if it requires this much effort to just get it reliable.
so good with numbers...
That report is so vague... Maybe they just hand sanded your pistol pistol sight slot. The feed ramp looks good on both the frame and barrel so that's good. I dont know man. I dont want to buy a pistol with questionable QC. For us is the pistol is faulty we have a huge problem because you can only have one section 13 weapon (self defense) and if it has it to sent back to someone to be worked on you are basically defenseless for that time. Now if the pistol has to be replaced it is an absolute nightmare of legalities and paperwork and that could leave you without a pistol for months. Better just get myself a "Highway Patrolman" to be on the safe side! 😁Have a great one man!
Honestly, I hadn't thought about that Johan. If you live in a place that restricts the quantity of guns that you can own, (like you, and a lot of other folks do), having to send the gun back to warranty work would be a miserable thing.
As always, I appreciate you, your presence, and your comments. Thanks for watching and commenting Johan! Have a great day/weekend! Tim, Jim and I are meeting up for another live show next week too, so be on the lookout for that!
@@Paul_Whaley Yes sir. That would instantly make you the guy who needs to bring a knife to a gun fight haha! Thank you for your kind words man! Stay awesome Paul! Will do! Take care bro!
No optics plate and no accessory rail 😢
Unfortunately, S&W isn't the only firearm mfg that has QC issues. Ruger is known to have them as well. Same for SIG, and we'll not mention Taurus. Sorry to say that that seems to be SOP.
I have had issues with all of the premier brands including s&w. It's the state of affairs with all companies. Bought a Beretta that was so out of spec they offered me any other gun I wished. Such things have become the norm. I'm 70 years old so I know how it used to be.
You should make them fix the mag issue.
Newest hot guns are good to buy…a year-year & 1/2 after it is released. That’s what I do & any kinks are worked out by that time. Takem easy.
Highway Patrolman Model 27 I think
Close, it's the Model 28!
New to firearms, I've noticed many shill channels, and overly loyal, blindly nationalistic fanboys for domestic gun companies.
I was commenting on the Glockness of the new Ruger RXM, and was getting hate for it. Thanks for the honest review.
I've worked in firearm media since 2018, mostly on the written side. I have seen so much blatant shilling, paid advertisements masquerading as unbiased reviews, and blind loyalty to companies that have serious issues. It's made me quite cynical with the media side of things, as it's hard for someone (especially someone who is new to firearms) to find an unbiased, or relatively objective review.
There are guns & gun related things that I like, enjoy, and use. However, that's tempered by how well they work. If "X" brand that I liked went to trash, I'd stop supporting them and go elsewhere. Unfortunately, that's where I am with S&W these days.
Yeah, the RXM is literally just a generation 3 Glock, but using an FCU chassis like a SIG P320 or Steyr M9. I don't know why folks with give you hate for calling a duck a duck there.
Thanks for the kind words!
@@Paul_Whaley Thank you for the great videos!
Never had a problem with mine 😊
They cant do anything about the 12 rpund magazine its just to tight
Mine was sent back for failure to feed with 3 different brands of ammo. Got it back and guess what, fails to feed.
What a shame. Sorry to hear that David.
Mine was back to the factory for 8 weeks for repair of a broken thumb safety. Same wording on the work order as yours, not a hint of what was actually done. The safety was repaired, thankfully. I thought I knew something about semi autos, but have never heard of a ledge on a feed ramp. What possible function can it have other than to inhibit feeding? I did my own polishing.
I mean, imagine takin your car to tha shop, n tha paperwork just says "I fixed it! That'll be $1200!"? Even ifit's warranty repair, not DOCUMENTING the customer's issues, and what (If anything?) was done to CORRECT them, is pretty gd INFURIATING!
I bought a mp22 compact and insta failure after 1 shot. Luckily the place i buy from takes care of everything up to a year after purchase. Got it back and no problem so far but yes QC is 💯 garbage anymore
It's really a shame with how bad QC has gotten across the board.
I found another issue with mine. If I put a single round in the chamber and release the slide, it won't go fully into battery. I've never had that issue with a pistol.
Semi auto pistols are not designed to be loaded anyway other than through the magazine. Some will load the way you're attempting, but it will damage your extractor causing malfunctions if done repeatedly!
Those issues are a no go for me 😊
Highway patrolman
Thanks for watching till the end Steve!
I xpect proper QC! IF they fail, in that regard, I xpect ALL of my reported issues to be DOCUMENTED, with corrective action taken, on the return paperwork! S&W's crushinit, in terms of product development, and they're givin tha ppl what they want, but they're slippin in QC/Customer Service, which gives me pause, as I'm not yet a #SmithWesson customer...
Yeah, it's kind of shocking that they didn't actually put any real detail into what they did with the gun. Very messy in that regard.