I can not believe what has happened to the flyers. I’m devastated I haven’t been able to watch them for over 3 years that after barely missing a game for over 30 if they moved to Idaho I would drive them there they have completely ripped my heart out
Guess people haven't listened to Torts interviews. He himself said they haven't even built the foundation yet. He's excited to start from zero. Best coach for this because he's going to weed out the weakest links that won't be a fit for modern day Flyer's
Thank you. Seravalli's "worst coach for the team" comment was way off. Apparently he hasn't listened to what Tortorella has been preaching for months now. I just hope Fletcher and the VPs are listening.
@@rcanoli99 His comment was 100% accurate. Torts does not have a reputation for developing young players. Also, his later career years in New York and especially Columbus were built on systems. Now, Torts says it's not about systems. Well, if this team lacks high end skilled players, the best thing to do would be play a tight defensive system as a foundation. Just having 2 guys who fight isn't playing tough. Puck control, TOP, and helping Hart would be the result of better systems. The only thing he's done so far is have a decent PK. Move on. He should have stayed retired.
The fact that Philadelphia is Ultra Progressive with high taxes and fees plus it’s a crime haven doesn’t help when your trying to attract free agents and veterans with trade clauses.
the fanbase didnt want torts. any fan with a brain knew this team needed to rebuild. they also didnt retool like fletcher said they would. they signed awful deals with risto deangelo and wasted 2 million on a 4th liner who is useless. This team needs to tank it a bad way and unfortunately we are fucked.
The Flyers need to: 1. Sell the team so that the right owner and front office can take over. 2. Commit to a full rebuild and collect top 5 picks for 3-4 years. 3. Once the Flyers have assembled three to four players via the draft, they use free agency and trades to fill in the rest and let the young core blossom.
Fletcher is the easy part. Team needs to be sold before anything changes. Their only hope really would be lucking into Bedard or Fantilli, but even then, they would ruin their careers with bad management/culture.
Frank...too many Ex-Flyers in the Front Office who have no business being there (Drafting/Scouting/Player Development, to name a few categories) is the main reason where this franchise is where they are right now. The above positions have an immediate impact on this club, and need to be filled by competent executives who know how to run a franchise...not run a franchise into the ground (which they've excelled in). And, something else no one wants to address...there is no accountability from any ex-Flyer (in the Front Office) who never have to answer for their shortcomings (their track record over the past 10+ years speaks volumes). Torts will have to, though. Those Drones in the Front Office aren't going anywhere. There is something definitely wrong when our draft picks literally don't belong on the ice when they're called up, yet the Pens can call up their picks from their affiliates...and they almost always have an immediate impact helping their team. The Flyers currently have No One who can shoulder that responsibility. And hiring (another ex-Flyer) Danny Briere for the GM position won't help, either (after the train-wreck that Chuck will be handing-off to him). Quite sad how this once-proud franchise is now nothing more than an afterthought in the Philly sports scene.
Have to disagree on a few things here. First anytime people say oh you can't win with ex flyers in front office or as coaches or gm is just min bogglingly stupid. Berube won a cup. Hexy won cups in LA and has Pittsburg looking good. I think Danny Brierre would make an excellent GM. I think bringing in Chuck Fletcher was the worst thing this organization ever did. The Torts thing is tricky. It sucks that he's going to improve the team enough to not have them in contention for Bedard. But maybe we'll just get lucky with the injuries lol. We did need a culture change. Would have been nice if we could have just let that wait one more year before we made the move.
@@PS-gr5wh Sticking to the old boys' club is a recipe for disaster. Just because you won a cup or two doesn't make you a lock for some management or coaching position. If that were the case, Gretz should've brought a cup to Arizona. Truth is that plugs who spend most of the time on the bench watching the game generally succeed more after their on-ice careers are over.
@@PS-gr5wh Funny..the ex-Flyers you mentioned (Hexy, Berube) won Cups AFTER leaving the Flyers. In fact, practically every ex-Flyer who leaves the Flyers (ex. Rick Tocchet, Kjell Samuelsson, Rod Brindamour, Brayden Schenn, Ruslav Fedeotenko, just to name a few...there are several others) have won Cups elsewhere. That’s what happens with teams who are built for todays NHL…the Flyers are stuck in the past, and aren’t built like that…and their history shows that. Hexy was an assistant GM in LA, when he won the Cup, and didn't build that team on his own. You make it sound like that he was the sole reason that LA won the Cup...not even close to being accurate. We haven't won with Ex-Flyers in the Front Office now over the past 10+ years (who oversee Drafting, Scouting, and Player Development), and you can honestly say that with their horrendous draft record and trades during that time that the current state of this team is ok? Should we give them another 10 years to fix things? Dude, you really sound like you're in denial, and that everything with this team will improve overnight. We''ll get it right next year? Don't hold your breath. Can't wait for Ryan Ellis to return and help get us 'back on track'. Torts was only hired to 'shield' the Front office from their incompetence and mismanagement...although he is the only one there holding anyone accountable. It was a 'deflection' hire to take the 'heat' away from the Front Office, and not put the spotlight on that idiot GM (who also oversees the Training and Medical Staff, whose record also speaks for itself) and his minions, who have gotten way too comfortable in the Front office. I'm surprised you don't see that. Danny Briere would make an excellent GM...but not here. Do you really think that the likes of Bob Clarke and Paul Holmgren are going to give him 'free-reign' over the team, with their constant meddling and bickering? Briere will eventually find out that he doesn't have as much control as he thought he would have; he'll eventually leave, and build a winner elsewhere. That seems to be the trend with this team. You are right about needing '...a culture change...'. Let's start by revamping the Front Office, and hire people who know the business side of hockey and how to manage the salary cap (Bob Clarke knew neither). Oh, one more thing...Hexy didn't build that team in Pittsburgh. He inherited it (but will get all the credit and glory if the Pens win it all this year). There are already grumblings in Pittsburgh how he's quickly making a mess of things. He'll leave his stamp on that team...just like every ex-Flyer in the Front Office is currently doing (who really aren't leaving anytime soon).
@@PS-gr5wh Excellent post. Only thing I'd quibble with is Tortorella being a "tricky" hire. I get what you mean, my quibble is that because of the lottery you don't get much better than a 20% chance of the #1 pick - and that's if you finish dead last. There's not a huge difference btw last and 4th, 5th or 6th from last. Better odds sure but not much better. Therefore I think the benefit of what Tortorella brings outweighs the (slightly) diminished odds the Flyers will probably have of drafting first.
@@PS-gr5wh Berube walked into a great roster built by Dave Taylor before he got to the Blues. Great coaching, but that was a moment with a tight roster. Berube since? Mediocre. In L.A., Hexy was NOT responsible for that...Dave Taylor drafted the best players and handed it off to Lombardi as GM who made the trades and signings that put them over the top. And Hexy got a team in Pitts with Crosby and Malkin...come on. Dig deeper if you want to make comments like. The guys you think are so good were FIRED by this organization for results. And those results were poor because of the front office, scouts, and decisions made that left us with 1 star in 15 years and overall a roster and AHL system devoid of high end talent. Clean house. IF you've watched hockey, you've seen the Flyers win 1 playoff round in 10 years. And before that, the same issues over and over.
They don't care. The flyers org makes enough money alone just being a Philly team to ride out all this bullshit so they focus on gritty and PR. They wont care about the product they put on the ice until we give them more pressure. I hope they sell soon.
Most disappointing is the time spent in waiting for Carter to get a chance to be what we hoped he can be. Not much of a supporting cast around him IMHO.
The culture died when they let Richards push Laviolette out for demanding the partying stop during the playoffs. The inmates have run the asylum ever since.
Frank is right about Comcast needing to sell this team. You can feel the void Ed Snider left behind. Fletcher hasn't been good by any means but I put a lot of the blame on Hextall. He flat out missed on a lot of draft picks. Picks that were supposed to form a new core. 2014: Travis Sanheim- Midling Defenceman as of right now. 2015: Ivan Provorov- Top pair guy if you have a top pair guy to play with him. Travis Konecny- Was looking like a win up until he got hurt. 2016: German Rubstov- Bust 2017: Nolan Patrick- Feel bad for him with the injuries but he wasn't exactly lighting the lamp when healthy. Morgan Frost- Not looking good most likely a bust. 2018: Joel Farabee- Okay. Terribly inconsistent. Jay O'Brien- College stats not promising.
Can't blame Hexy on the state of this franchise, though his picks didn't all turn out, he had us with allot of Cap space, and he was building from within, and we still had talent in G and Coots and company, the injuries and personal GM style that got him fired caused this organization to spiral, though prior to the bubble Vegas had us winning the Cup and we sure were playing like it and Fletcher gave thanks to Hexy for the position he put him in. The one to blame is ownership. Hexy was rolling dice on draft picks, had he stayed we would of still kept acquiring draft picks while building from within. That would of been a better situation then we are in now, No draft picks and no top talent and against the Cap. The Hackstol situation is a head scratcher though, an experiment that should of been cut short but personal reasons did him in, I would of taken Torts instead of Hackstol and that would of been a better position to have been in.
@@vinoewhines Giroux was a Bobby Hextall most certainly can be blamed. I didn't absolve Fletcher with that statement. The Ristolainen trade and sign is terrible. But the team they are throwing out on the ice is almost completely devoid of talent and that is mostly on Hextall. This was when all those picks all the spreadsheet experts were salvating over were supposed to come into their own and bring the Flyers back to being relevant again. That hasn't happened.
@@rts7067 Agreed it hasn't happened but what I want to bring out is that with Hexy we still had cap space and roster space, in regards to picks, unfortunately 20/20 is at play to some degree. Nolan would of been a no brainier and a 3C/2C by now if injuries weren't part of the outcome. Though Hexy might not of been popular his plan would of still afforded us to have cap space and continue to develop until we hit on our picks. Now we have nothing and are worse off. Well yeah bottom line is we need new ownership
@@vinoewhines I wasn't trying to throw it all on Hextall. There is plenty of blame to go around with this team. Dave Scott and Comcast have killed the spirit of the Flyers. Ron's draft picks were mostly midling to terrible. Chuck has made questionable signings, trades, and overpayments. A perfect storm for disaster. I just see the draft choices as the main culprit of this mess. With the hard cap you have to have more hits than misses. Drafting well can actually help your cap when you have guys playing well on ELCs and Bridge deals.
@@rts7067 Drafting well and hitting on your picks was exactly Hexy's philosophy as well, he even went on to say that getting extra picks was also as important so that you'd have a better chance at hitting it out of the park. We were picking at 15-20 in the first round so that is harder to strike gold when picking out of the top 5. His one high draft pick unfortunately had ancillary health issues and with migraines and concussion. His(Nolan P.) previous pre draft ailment was cleared as not problematic. Unfortunately that didn't go as planned and he was Drafting players that showed skill but more importantly had a right mindset and work ethic. That's a tall order but for building from with in and then acquiring outside talent is the way to build in a cap unfriendly league but I can see you wanting to spread the blame around and Hexy didn't per-fect' his choices but his errors would of at least kept us still in the green and not the red that we are in now. Ownership is now the biggest culprit, then the GM for overpaying asset wise and cap management/term
@@rturner09251 I agree he didn't always make the best moves, but his philosophy was what this team needed and I feel the team would have eventually rebounded. He wasn't perfect, but he was still way better than Fletcher imo. Here we are four years into Fletcher's term and we're worse off than before.
@@Hail_Sagan his plan was fine, his execution and talent evaluation is just as bad as Fletcher. Honestly both Hextall and Fletcher have equal hands in where this team is right now. They’re the worst of the extreme opposites they take to team building.
apart from mr snider passing away the franchise went down hill after the mike richards/jeff carter trades. Those were the trades that ruined this franchise and they still have yet to recover from it
The audacity to talk about they need to bottom out and then promote hextall and his process and “they got tired of it” ya because he did nothing missed on just about every draft pick he had, made the worst signing of the last 7-10 years with JVR.
The beginning is 100% true. Once Mr. Snider died, the franchise has fallen apart. He really was the heart and soul of the organization. God damn... I said the same thing about Torts... worst coach for THIS team. They will dismantle as soon as they get rid of Fletcher. It will never happen, but I WANT Hextall back.
The devils rebuilt for 4 years. Got a little lucky in the lottery. Now they look like a powerhouse for the next decade. Flyers should just bottom out and level with their fanbase it’s rebuilding time. Only guy I keep in their entire franchise is Cutter Gautier. Trade them all for draft picks.
It's been obvious to me for a few years now that this team is never going to be good until they are sold by Comcast. It's not a coincidence that they've been awful for a decade since Snider has been gone. They are run like a product under a larger corporate umbrella. Maybe if the fans stop showing up, Comcast will sell them when the team is not very profitable.
If the Flyers get the no.1 pick next year and move some pieces out the door it’s a step in the right direction. Let’s see what this GM can do by the trade deadline. Or fire him right now.
I just can’t agree with the Johnny G comment . Granted he isn’t enough to put a team over that hill alone . But that would have given the Flyers a STAR PLAYER to build around for a long time ! Especially a STAR PLAYER that wanted to play here ! I swear the Flyers are the only team in the NHL up against the cap with no breathing room and not a single star player ! Not 1 ! When you have a generational player pretty much begging to play here you FKING find a way to sign him !! Dam we could have seriously build a legit contending team around him . FIRE WASTE OF AIR CHUCK AND SCUMCAST PLEASE SELL !! I wish a group a guys like Cote , Tocchet ect could buy them ! Then I know we would be in good shape because these guys are ex players who know exactly what this city is about and exactly what this fan base is about !!
Disagree about torts he rebuilt Columbus and is exactly what you need to build an identity. Bottoming out sounds great in theory but ask franchises like Buffalo how that works
i agree, i mean it's only a few teams that have bottomed out which most of franchises in the nhl knows it's bad idea because you are playing against the lottery and how good the draft classes are, especially if you are drafting another nolan patrick and jvr, it's not going to make the team better. there was talent out there when hextall was gm that could have put us over the top ror, dougie hamiton and he chose not to get them and it set this team back, bottom line is you need talent on this roster, draft, trades, fa whatever you can get it, that's the way to build a team. you dont build it by just relying on the draft picks especially if you dont hit on them or they are not good at all.
This was one of the funniest, non comedic podcast that has come out. The shear number of times where Frank kept blasting down NK podcast with Fact bomb snippets of how the organization is in perpetual toilet flushing mode, and they kept nodding their heads to Franks open questions. It felt like kids telling their dad they want to build a rocket and the dad is saying, facts of how it's not gonna happen and the kids just nodding their heads and realizing...yah your right, we don't have plutonium and we don't know where to get a particle accelerator around here(aggressive retool? What does that mean? lol). Yah it sucks, this podcast just threw a whole bunch of water buckets at this organizations reality. We don't need to get rid of TK or Provy either, just build around them, until youcan honestly say you have their replacements and not a crapshoot of we might have something, to later get hosed.
Snyder was "product on ice" oriented. Comcast is "profit sheet" oriented. Fletcher is a "yes man" clueless puppet. Torts is in a tough spot. Over half the ideal starting lines are out injured, some could be season-ending. The starting lines now are made up of players other teams would be doubtful to even have as 4th liners or keep on their AHL squads. PowerPlay & PenaltyKill are among the league's worst. The 5 on 5 roster is lucky to get a draw, if the goalie stands on his head. He'll be lucky to stay healthy. If they make 1 turnover or penalty, they're toast. That's how perfect they have to be. Up against the salary cap limit so no good talent can be acquired, only waiver wire garbage castoffs from other teams. No quality drafted prospects currently in the farm system will be coming for about 3 more years. Only underachievers & oft-injured retreads. No free agents want to come here because 1) there's no money available & 2) the ownership is so dysfunctional. A beautiful arena & a passionate fan base going to waste. On the heels of great seasons by the Phils, Union, Eagles, & perhaps the Sixers. What a disappointment to the city.
They have no plan at the long term since too Many years , they sign long term Contract Sanheim and they have York in the system somebody have to Play on the right Side between Provorov, Sanheim and York in the Near future if they dont York Play on the third pair hes not that kind of player or Sanheim at 6.2 millions bravo and try to Trade Sanheim Now good luck
How come the Jersey Devils can turn a bad franchise into a very good one in one year and the Flyers haven’t been able too get better in the last twenty
I’m a flyers fan this is my opinion fire torts or keep him and trade deangleo seeler people like that and just good draft picks good draft picks that’s all that they need and torts isn’t made for this team at the start i thought would make it to the 1st round 11 STRAIGHT loses! They have good players it just trade for draft picks and restart koncey provorov all of them needed to be traded
Bad GM’s from the glory days, bad scouting,bad draft picks ,bad coaching,losing your Mo Jo , ….Where’s the bulldog in the franchise to bring scorers in….the fans are tired of defensive has beens in free agency…so the answer,keep Tortorella,keep the fans…get rid of the ownership,GM,scouts and all pictures of old flyers,plus change up the uniform…bring in smart hockey people from Tampa Bay,maybe…
They tore it down 10 years ago, fired holmgren, hired hextall. Horrendous drafting followed. Not only did they choose players with marginal stick talent but also marginal skating ability and worst of all, absolutely and shockingly NO testosterone. The softest group of kids they could find. I mean, couturier and provorov are the jewels of that era. Wow. Koneckny is the only player I won't bash but if he had only been 25 pounds heavier and 3 inches taller. They sadly all must go and that in itself is a long process with bad contracts. Then they have to re draft. And this mess can happen all over again, there's no guarantees. 1 thing I hope is that they choose players who are big enough, strong enough to withstand the pounding of the NHL. This team was constructed of boys too small to withstand the pounding. It's not pretty. This year they drafted size finally. A few more years and perhaps it'll show results.
same here, you cant bottom out and expect things to change, look at the hurricanes, they didnt bottom out and they make the playoffs the last few years, it's about having an identity and culture. i think fans and media have really overlooked that, to them it's about hyping best players in the draft and not focusing on building a culture and philosophy of beating teams. that's why torts was hired.
Oh yeah the woke idiots at NBC Comcast are doing great. DEAD LAST every year but at least they got rid of the Kaye Smith statue right? Moron Philly fans 😅
I put ALL of the blame on ownership. Every one of them needs to step aside and let a real hockey person make decisions for this organization. I pray every day that some of the former Flyers will put together something to buy the Flyers. Make them respectable again.
5 of their best players out doesn't help , but yea Fletcher needs to go and Holmgren too, we need a very bad season so we have a shot for #1 pick anyway!!
Ed Snider blah blah blah. This team sucked under Snider for many years. Those 70s cups were a long time ago. Snider drove this team into the ground with his long held reluctance to move on from the bully days. He was behind getting rid of Bobrobski and signing Bryz to a mega contract. He signed off on trading away Forsberg and half a team for 88. And he had Sarah Palin drop the puck to start a season. Ok the last point is not relevant to the team, but it was a bozo move. And most importantly, he let the team fall into the hands of Comcast instead of finding a better suited owner group. Agreed 100% though that Comcast has to sell to a more involved entity. Too bad we missed the Fenway Group when they were looking.
The NHL sucks. Every team is exactly the same. If you watch Philly vs. NYR the game is played exactly the same as if Edmonton were playing Vancouver. None of the teams have personality. Before, if you watched Philly vs. NYR, you were going to see a very different game than if you watched Edmonton vs. Vancouver. And, expansion absolutely watered the league down. Several players in the bottom six on a lot of teams are not NHL caliber players. All of the rule changes have led to one thing, and one thing only: conformity. Put a fork in this league. NHL sucks.
omg you are still hung up on Ed Snyder. Flyers are doing better than I expected this year and I am happy with the season. Injuries aside, we'll get better. Go root for the Penguins if you're such Debbie Downers
I'm proud of our Flyers and proud to be a fan! We are the toughest team in the league 👊🏻. Screw the skilled, soft boring players. Broad street bullies forever!! Torts is the best!
@@pumpkinking5174 I'm ok with that! I'd rather watch a good physical game and lose than watch a bunch of Crosby's. Without the fights and hits it's soccer.
Chuck has made any good moves since he started. They need to find a GM now so they can start selling off pieces to begin the rebuild process. It needs to be done now
I'm a die hard Flyers fan. You guys articulate the situation incredibly well. This is very well done. Great work
Yea, Comcast destroyed Mr. Snider's legacy.
I can not believe what has happened to the flyers. I’m devastated I haven’t been able to watch them for over 3 years that after barely missing a game for over 30 if they moved to Idaho I would drive them there they have completely ripped my heart out
Hopefully north Idaho because I am 25 miles away!
Guess people haven't listened to Torts interviews. He himself said they haven't even built the foundation yet. He's excited to start from zero. Best coach for this because he's going to weed out the weakest links that won't be a fit for modern day Flyer's
Thank you. Seravalli's "worst coach for the team" comment was way off. Apparently he hasn't listened to what Tortorella has been preaching for months now. I just hope Fletcher and the VPs are listening.
@@rcanoli99 His comment was 100% accurate. Torts does not have a reputation for developing young players. Also, his later career years in New York and especially Columbus were built on systems. Now, Torts says it's not about systems. Well, if this team lacks high end skilled players, the best thing to do would be play a tight defensive system as a foundation. Just having 2 guys who fight isn't playing tough. Puck control, TOP, and helping Hart would be the result of better systems. The only thing he's done so far is have a decent PK. Move on. He should have stayed retired.
Yeah, I totally disagree with his standpoint on Torts. It’s not his fault, we just have no one right now.
@@UAPbigfootandBOATDRINKS torts is only good for veteran teams torts has never done well dealing with young talent
@@rcanoli99 no hes right torts was the wrong hire for this team just look at his track record dealing with rookies
The fact that Philadelphia is Ultra Progressive with high taxes and fees plus it’s a crime haven doesn’t help when your trying to attract free agents and veterans with trade clauses.
Bullshit. It comes down to draft picks and developing players. Hextall and Fletcher can’t do either
Exactly!!!
10 years of band aids on gun shot wounds is how we got here, and that looks like the plan again.
Fuck yea Frankie. 100% spot on and refreshing to hear someone be completely honest about the current state of the franchise
the fanbase didnt want torts. any fan with a brain knew this team needed to rebuild. they also didnt retool like fletcher said they would. they signed awful deals with risto deangelo and wasted 2 million on a 4th liner who is useless. This team needs to tank it a bad way and unfortunately we are fucked.
Is it Deslauriers you're referring to as useless?
@@RIUUI007 yes
@@RIUUI007 also forgot to mention they gave him a no movement clause
The Flyers need to:
1. Sell the team so that the right owner and front office can take over.
2. Commit to a full rebuild and collect top 5 picks for 3-4 years.
3. Once the Flyers have assembled three to four players via the draft, they use free agency and trades to fill in the rest and let the young core blossom.
When they can’t even fill 20% of their stadium, maybe they’ll listen to us fans. FIRE FLETCHER.
The team needs to be sold to fully hit rock bottom. You can't go forward with this ownership. It needs a bath and a good scrubbing
I agree he should be fired but that doesn't really get us anywhere. What they say about ownership is 100% true
Fletcher is the easy part. Team needs to be sold before anything changes. Their only hope really would be lucking into Bedard or Fantilli, but even then, they would ruin their careers with bad management/culture.
Just got your wish loo
Frank...too many Ex-Flyers in the Front Office who have no business being there (Drafting/Scouting/Player Development, to name a few categories) is the main reason where this franchise is where they are right now. The above positions have an immediate impact on this club, and need to be filled by competent executives who know how to run a franchise...not run a franchise into the ground (which they've excelled in).
And, something else no one wants to address...there is no accountability from any ex-Flyer (in the Front Office) who never have to answer for their shortcomings (their track record over the past 10+ years speaks volumes). Torts will have to, though. Those Drones in the Front Office aren't going anywhere.
There is something definitely wrong when our draft picks literally don't belong on the ice when they're called up, yet the Pens can call up their picks from their affiliates...and they almost always have an immediate impact helping their team. The Flyers currently have No One who can shoulder that responsibility.
And hiring (another ex-Flyer) Danny Briere for the GM position won't help, either (after the train-wreck that Chuck will be handing-off to him).
Quite sad how this once-proud franchise is now nothing more than an afterthought in the Philly sports scene.
Have to disagree on a few things here. First anytime people say oh you can't win with ex flyers in front office or as coaches or gm is just min bogglingly stupid. Berube won a cup. Hexy won cups in LA and has Pittsburg looking good. I think Danny Brierre would make an excellent GM. I think bringing in Chuck Fletcher was the worst thing this organization ever did. The Torts thing is tricky. It sucks that he's going to improve the team enough to not have them in contention for Bedard. But maybe we'll just get lucky with the injuries lol. We did need a culture change. Would have been nice if we could have just let that wait one more year before we made the move.
@@PS-gr5wh Sticking to the old boys' club is a recipe for disaster. Just because you won a cup or two doesn't make you a lock for some management or coaching position. If that were the case, Gretz should've brought a cup to Arizona. Truth is that plugs who spend most of the time on the bench watching the game generally succeed more after their on-ice careers are over.
@@PS-gr5wh Funny..the ex-Flyers you mentioned (Hexy, Berube) won Cups AFTER leaving the Flyers. In fact, practically every ex-Flyer who leaves the Flyers (ex. Rick Tocchet, Kjell Samuelsson, Rod Brindamour, Brayden Schenn, Ruslav Fedeotenko, just to name a few...there are several others) have won Cups elsewhere.
That’s what happens with teams who are built for todays NHL…the Flyers are stuck in the past, and aren’t built like that…and their history shows that.
Hexy was an assistant GM in LA, when he won the Cup, and didn't build that team on his own. You make it sound like that he was the sole reason that LA won the Cup...not even close to being accurate.
We haven't won with Ex-Flyers in the Front Office now over the past 10+ years (who oversee Drafting, Scouting, and Player Development), and you can honestly say that with their horrendous draft record and trades during that time that the current state of this team is ok? Should we give them another 10 years to fix things? Dude, you really sound like you're in denial, and that everything with this team will improve overnight. We''ll get it right next year? Don't hold your breath. Can't wait for Ryan Ellis to return and help get us 'back on track'.
Torts was only hired to 'shield' the Front office from their incompetence and mismanagement...although he is the only one there holding anyone accountable. It was a 'deflection' hire to take the 'heat' away from the Front Office, and not put the spotlight on that idiot GM (who also oversees the Training and Medical Staff, whose record also speaks for itself) and his minions, who have gotten way too comfortable in the Front office. I'm surprised you don't see that.
Danny Briere would make an excellent GM...but not here. Do you really think that the likes of Bob Clarke and Paul Holmgren are going to give him 'free-reign' over the team, with their constant meddling and bickering? Briere will eventually find out that he doesn't have as much control as he thought he would have; he'll eventually leave, and build a winner elsewhere. That seems to be the trend with this team.
You are right about needing '...a culture change...'. Let's start by revamping the Front Office, and hire people who know the business side of hockey and how to manage the salary cap (Bob Clarke knew neither).
Oh, one more thing...Hexy didn't build that team in Pittsburgh. He inherited it (but will get all the credit and glory if the Pens win it all this year). There are already grumblings in Pittsburgh how he's quickly making a mess of things. He'll leave his stamp on that team...just like every ex-Flyer in the Front Office is currently doing (who really aren't leaving anytime soon).
@@PS-gr5wh Excellent post. Only thing I'd quibble with is Tortorella being a "tricky" hire. I get what you mean, my quibble is that because of the lottery you don't get much better than a 20% chance of the #1 pick - and that's if you finish dead last. There's not a huge difference btw last and 4th, 5th or 6th from last. Better odds sure but not much better. Therefore I think the benefit of what Tortorella brings outweighs the (slightly) diminished odds the Flyers will probably have of drafting first.
@@PS-gr5wh Berube walked into a great roster built by Dave Taylor before he got to the Blues. Great coaching, but that was a moment with a tight roster. Berube since? Mediocre.
In L.A., Hexy was NOT responsible for that...Dave Taylor drafted the best players and handed it off to Lombardi as GM who made the trades and signings that put them over the top.
And Hexy got a team in Pitts with Crosby and Malkin...come on.
Dig deeper if you want to make comments like. The guys you think are so good were FIRED by this organization for results. And those results were poor because of the front office, scouts, and decisions made that left us with 1 star in 15 years and overall a roster and AHL system devoid of high end talent.
Clean house. IF you've watched hockey, you've seen the Flyers win 1 playoff round in 10 years. And before that, the same issues over and over.
Why is that everyone can see these issues except Flyers management?? This is exhausting.
They don't care. The flyers org makes enough money alone just being a Philly team to ride out all this bullshit so they focus on gritty and PR. They wont care about the product they put on the ice until we give them more pressure. I hope they sell soon.
I like Trots but finally someone who says point blank the Flyers need to bottom out, aka. rebuild.
Most disappointing is the time spent in waiting for Carter to get a chance to be what we hoped he can be. Not much of a supporting cast around him IMHO.
The culture died when they let Richards push Laviolette out for demanding the partying stop during the playoffs.
The inmates have run the asylum ever since.
Lavy was fired 2 and a half years after Richie was traded?
Yea this dude was spot on lol. They didn’t know.
Frank is right about Comcast needing to sell this team. You can feel the void Ed Snider left behind. Fletcher hasn't been good by any means but I put a lot of the blame on Hextall. He flat out missed on a lot of draft picks. Picks that were supposed to form a new core.
2014: Travis Sanheim- Midling Defenceman as of right now.
2015: Ivan Provorov- Top pair guy if you have a top pair guy to play with him. Travis Konecny- Was looking like a win up until he got hurt.
2016: German Rubstov- Bust
2017: Nolan Patrick- Feel bad for him with the injuries but he wasn't exactly lighting the lamp when healthy. Morgan Frost- Not looking good most likely a bust.
2018: Joel Farabee- Okay. Terribly inconsistent. Jay O'Brien- College stats not promising.
Can't blame Hexy on the state of this franchise, though his picks didn't all turn out, he had us with allot of Cap space, and he was building from within, and we still had talent in G and Coots and company, the injuries and personal GM style that got him fired caused this organization to spiral, though prior to the bubble Vegas had us winning the Cup and we sure were playing like it and Fletcher gave thanks to Hexy for the position he put him in. The one to blame is ownership. Hexy was rolling dice on draft picks, had he stayed we would of still kept acquiring draft picks while building from within. That would of been a better situation then we are in now, No draft picks and no top talent and against the Cap.
The Hackstol situation is a head scratcher though, an experiment that should of been cut short but personal reasons did him in, I would of taken Torts instead of Hackstol and that would of been a better position to have been in.
@@vinoewhines Giroux was a Bobby Hextall most certainly can be blamed. I didn't absolve Fletcher with that statement. The Ristolainen trade and sign is terrible. But the team they are throwing out on the ice is almost completely devoid of talent and that is mostly on Hextall. This was when all those picks all the spreadsheet experts were salvating over were supposed to come into their own and bring the Flyers back to being relevant again. That hasn't happened.
@@rts7067 Agreed it hasn't happened but what I want to bring out is that with Hexy we still had cap space and roster space, in regards to picks, unfortunately 20/20 is at play to some degree. Nolan would of been a no brainier and a 3C/2C by now if injuries weren't part of the outcome.
Though Hexy might not of been popular his plan would of still afforded us to have cap space and continue to develop until we hit on our picks. Now we have nothing and are worse off. Well yeah bottom line is we need new ownership
@@vinoewhines I wasn't trying to throw it all on Hextall. There is plenty of blame to go around with this team. Dave Scott and Comcast have killed the spirit of the Flyers. Ron's draft picks were mostly midling to terrible. Chuck has made questionable signings, trades, and overpayments. A perfect storm for disaster. I just see the draft choices as the main culprit of this mess. With the hard cap you have to have more hits than misses. Drafting well can actually help your cap when you have guys playing well on ELCs and Bridge deals.
@@rts7067 Drafting well and hitting on your picks was exactly Hexy's philosophy as well, he even went on to say that getting extra picks was also as important so that you'd have a better chance at hitting it out of the park. We were picking at 15-20 in the first round so that is harder to strike gold when picking out of the top 5. His one high draft pick unfortunately had ancillary health issues and with migraines and concussion. His(Nolan P.) previous pre draft ailment was cleared as not problematic. Unfortunately that didn't go as planned and he was Drafting players that showed skill but more importantly had a right mindset and work ethic. That's a tall order but for building from with in and then acquiring outside talent is the way to build in a cap unfriendly league but I can see you wanting to spread the blame around and Hexy didn't per-fect' his choices but his errors would of at least kept us still in the green and not the red that we are in now. Ownership is now the biggest culprit, then the GM for overpaying asset wise and cap management/term
I feel like it’s just a tough stretch the Flyers are on. Torts will ride the ship it looks like.
"tough stretch":? The franchise has largely been miserable for a DECADE!
Until Holmer and Clarkie are gone nothing will change
I've always thought the worst move the Flyers have done in recent memory was firing Hexy.
No, his drafting wasn’t good, his FA decisions were even worse.
@@rturner09251 I agree he didn't always make the best moves, but his philosophy was what this team needed and I feel the team would have eventually rebounded. He wasn't perfect, but he was still way better than Fletcher imo. Here we are four years into Fletcher's term and we're worse off than before.
@@Hail_Sagan his plan was fine, his execution and talent evaluation is just as bad as Fletcher. Honestly both Hextall and Fletcher have equal hands in where this team is right now. They’re the worst of the extreme opposites they take to team building.
@@rturner09251 Yeah that's a fair point
Revisiting this podcast made me notice that Nasty Knuckles faces were.......Sad Knuckles
Here is a list of teams who should sell besides Ottawa. Buffalo, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton and Columbus.
apart from mr snider passing away the franchise went down hill after the mike richards/jeff carter trades. Those were the trades that ruined this franchise and they still have yet to recover from it
Tired of hearing “flyers suck bc of bad luck and injuries to their best players.”…. Clearly overlooking that their best players aren’t good enough
Flyers are in a very bad spot right now and the fans are paying for it
The audacity to talk about they need to bottom out and then promote hextall and his process and “they got tired of it” ya because he did nothing missed on just about every draft pick he had, made the worst signing of the last 7-10 years with JVR.
The beginning is 100% true. Once Mr. Snider died, the franchise has fallen apart. He really was the heart and soul of the organization. God damn... I said the same thing about Torts... worst coach for THIS team. They will dismantle as soon as they get rid of Fletcher. It will never happen, but I WANT Hextall back.
He’s spot on! Fire the owner
The devils rebuilt for 4 years. Got a little lucky in the lottery. Now they look like a powerhouse for the next decade. Flyers should just bottom out and level with their fanbase it’s rebuilding time. Only guy I keep in their entire franchise is Cutter Gautier. Trade them all for draft picks.
The First round picks Hurts big Time Flyers
It's been obvious to me for a few years now that this team is never going to be good until they are sold by Comcast. It's not a coincidence that they've been awful for a decade since Snider has been gone. They are run like a product under a larger corporate umbrella. Maybe if the fans stop showing up, Comcast will sell them when the team is not very profitable.
If the Flyers get the no.1 pick next year and move some pieces out the door it’s a step in the right direction. Let’s see what this GM can do by the trade deadline. Or fire him right now.
Fletcher isn't known for making good moves.
I just can’t agree with the Johnny G comment . Granted he isn’t enough to put a team over that hill alone . But that would have given the Flyers a STAR PLAYER to build around for a long time ! Especially a STAR PLAYER that wanted to play here ! I swear the Flyers are the only team in the NHL up against the cap with no breathing room and not a single star player ! Not 1 ! When you have a generational player pretty much begging to play here you FKING find a way to sign him !! Dam we could have seriously build a legit contending team around him . FIRE WASTE OF AIR CHUCK AND SCUMCAST PLEASE SELL !! I wish a group a guys like Cote , Tocchet ect could buy them ! Then I know we would be in good shape because these guys are ex players who know exactly what this city is about and exactly what this fan base is about !!
johnny gaudreau is overrated and getting exsposed in columbus
Disagree about torts he rebuilt Columbus and is exactly what you need to build an identity. Bottoming out sounds great in theory but ask franchises like Buffalo how that works
i agree, i mean it's only a few teams that have bottomed out which most of franchises in the nhl knows it's bad idea because you are playing against the lottery and how good the draft classes are, especially if you are drafting another nolan patrick and jvr, it's not going to make the team better. there was talent out there when hextall was gm that could have put us over the top ror, dougie hamiton and he chose not to get them and it set this team back, bottom line is you need talent on this roster, draft, trades, fa whatever you can get it, that's the way to build a team. you dont build it by just relying on the draft picks especially if you dont hit on them or they are not good at all.
This was one of the funniest, non comedic podcast that has come out. The shear number of times where Frank kept blasting down NK podcast with Fact bomb snippets of how the organization is in perpetual toilet flushing mode, and they kept nodding their heads to Franks open questions.
It felt like kids telling their dad they want to build a rocket and the dad is saying, facts of how it's not gonna happen and the kids just nodding their heads and realizing...yah your right, we don't have plutonium and we don't know where to get a particle accelerator around here(aggressive retool? What does that mean? lol).
Yah it sucks, this podcast just threw a whole bunch of water buckets at this organizations reality.
We don't need to get rid of TK or Provy either, just build around them, until youcan honestly say you have their replacements and not a crapshoot of we might have something, to later get hosed.
Snyder was "product on ice" oriented. Comcast is "profit sheet" oriented. Fletcher is a "yes man" clueless puppet. Torts is in a tough spot. Over half the ideal starting lines are out injured, some could be season-ending. The starting lines now are made up of players other teams would be doubtful to even have as 4th liners or keep on their AHL squads. PowerPlay & PenaltyKill are among the league's worst. The 5 on 5 roster is lucky to get a draw, if the goalie stands on his head. He'll be lucky to stay healthy. If they make 1 turnover or penalty, they're toast. That's how perfect they have to be. Up against the salary cap limit so no good talent can be acquired, only waiver wire garbage castoffs from other teams. No quality drafted prospects currently in the farm system will be coming for about 3 more years. Only underachievers & oft-injured retreads. No free agents want to come here because 1) there's no money available & 2) the ownership is so dysfunctional. A beautiful arena & a passionate fan base going to waste. On the heels of great seasons by the Phils, Union, Eagles, & perhaps the Sixers. What a disappointment to the city.
They have no plan at the long term since too Many years , they sign long term Contract Sanheim and they have York in the system somebody have to Play on the right Side between Provorov, Sanheim and York in the Near future if they dont York Play on the third pair hes not that kind of player or Sanheim at 6.2 millions bravo and try to Trade Sanheim Now good luck
snider is the reason there a mess all those bad long term contracts happened under him
How come the Jersey Devils can turn a bad franchise into a very good one in one year and the Flyers haven’t been able too get better in the last twenty
Torts, like Griity, like removing Kate, are corporate gimmicks to get fans in the stands.
I’m a flyers fan this is my opinion fire torts or keep him and trade deangleo seeler people like that and just good draft picks good draft picks that’s all that they need and torts isn’t made for this team at the start i thought would make it to the 1st round 11 STRAIGHT loses! They have good players it just trade for draft picks and restart koncey provorov all of them needed to be traded
So your plan is to fire torts or keep him????. Wow. Got to love that kind of strategy. They lost 10 in a row by the way.
Bad GM’s from the glory days, bad scouting,bad draft picks ,bad coaching,losing your Mo Jo , ….Where’s the bulldog in the franchise to bring scorers in….the fans are tired of defensive has beens in free agency…so the answer,keep Tortorella,keep the fans…get rid of the ownership,GM,scouts and all pictures of old flyers,plus change up the uniform…bring in smart hockey people from Tampa Bay,maybe…
Man I got a little to excited with our start. Should have known this was coming (past 10 games)
Same story for the past 5 years 😑
3 words: Chuck Fletcher
They tore it down 10 years ago, fired holmgren, hired hextall. Horrendous drafting followed. Not only did they choose players with marginal stick talent but also marginal skating ability and worst of all, absolutely and shockingly NO testosterone. The softest group of kids they could find. I mean, couturier and provorov are the jewels of that era. Wow. Koneckny is the only player I won't bash but if he had only been 25 pounds heavier and 3 inches taller. They sadly all must go and that in itself is a long process with bad contracts. Then they have to re draft. And this mess can happen all over again, there's no guarantees. 1 thing I hope is that they choose players who are big enough, strong enough to withstand the pounding of the NHL. This team was constructed of boys too small to withstand the pounding. It's not pretty. This year they drafted size finally. A few more years and perhaps it'll show results.
same here, you cant bottom out and expect things to change, look at the hurricanes, they didnt bottom out and they make the playoffs the last few years, it's about having an identity and culture. i think fans and media have really overlooked that, to them it's about hyping best players in the draft and not focusing on building a culture and philosophy of beating teams. that's why torts was hired.
The scouts are the worst in the league.
If the Snyder clan don't get out we are going to be like this forever!! Get the team sold and get someone in here that cares SELL !!!
Oh yeah the woke idiots at NBC Comcast are doing great. DEAD LAST every year but at least they got rid of the Kaye Smith statue right? Moron Philly fans 😅
The problem is they hired Torts, dude just isn't a good coach anymore, he gets fired everywhere he goes.
I put ALL of the blame on ownership. Every one of them needs to step aside and let a real hockey person make decisions for this organization. I pray every day that some of the former Flyers will put together something to buy the Flyers. Make them respectable again.
Comcast is never gonna let ‘em tear it down to the pegs
You cannot run a NHL team the same way you run a cable company.
They need a guy who understands hockey to buy the team. I don’t know who, but SOMEBODY.
Frank has a face of a teen but grey hair lol
Comcast ruined this team
5 of their best players out doesn't help , but yea Fletcher needs to go and Holmgren too, we need a very bad season so we have a shot for #1 pick anyway!!
Ed Snider blah blah blah. This team sucked under Snider for many years. Those 70s cups were a long time ago. Snider drove this team into the ground with his long held reluctance to move on from the bully days. He was behind getting rid of Bobrobski and signing Bryz to a mega contract. He signed off on trading away Forsberg and half a team for 88. And he had Sarah Palin drop the puck to start a season. Ok the last point is not relevant to the team, but it was a bozo move. And most importantly, he let the team fall into the hands of Comcast instead of finding a better suited owner group.
Agreed 100% though that Comcast has to sell to a more involved entity. Too bad we missed the Fenway Group when they were looking.
Hextall dismantled thus team with no one to come up
Na torts is the coach we need. Bring the compete back
Flyers need to fall flat and start over this nomad land is no good
I think we now know what it is to be owned by a corporation whos business is something other than what you do. Wokeness destroys all that it touches.
1975
Hockey players are great athletes. but its nothing compared to war . They act likes its war but its not .
The NHL sucks. Every team is exactly the same. If you watch Philly vs. NYR the game is played exactly the same as if Edmonton were playing Vancouver. None of the teams have personality. Before, if you watched Philly vs. NYR, you were going to see a very different game than if you watched Edmonton vs. Vancouver. And, expansion absolutely watered the league down. Several players in the bottom six on a lot of teams are not NHL caliber players. All of the rule changes have led to one thing, and one thing only: conformity. Put a fork in this league. NHL sucks.
Please sell the team
omg you are still hung up on Ed Snyder. Flyers are doing better than I expected this year and I am happy with the season. Injuries aside, we'll get better. Go root for the Penguins if you're such Debbie Downers
You have rocks in your head
They could all take a shit at center ice and that would be better than expected.
This team blows and will for the next decade at least.
Shut up
Frank are you like 12
Nerd
I'm proud of our Flyers and proud to be a fan! We are the toughest team in the league 👊🏻. Screw the skilled, soft boring players. Broad street bullies forever!! Torts is the best!
And that's exactly why they haven't won in 50 fucking years.
SERIOUSLY????? They ARE one of the Worst Teams in the NHL today in terms of Talent AND Toughness. Lay off the crack pipe.
I really want to try what this guy is on, the world must be an incredible place
Take a look at D’Angelo V Wahlstrom last night.
That fight is a great representation of the Flyers “toughness”, and desperation.
@@pumpkinking5174 I'm ok with that! I'd rather watch a good physical game and lose than watch a bunch of Crosby's. Without the fights and hits it's soccer.
Chuck has made any good moves since he started. They need to find a GM now so they can start selling off pieces to begin the rebuild process. It needs to be done now
Make Tots GM
The goalie BLOWS too